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Danny Care out of 6 nations squad
His been dropped from the England squad for drink driving.
What is going on with these players?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/16408098.stm
What is going on with these players?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/16408098.stm
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Danny Care thrown out of England's Six Nations squad after failing a drink driving test on New Year's Day
Stuart Lancaster is already showing that he is going to be hot on discipline and not going to let things slide as in the RWC according to the Telegraph.
I think this is good for Lancaster and England as it is showing it doesn't matter who you are in the England team if don't keep your discipline in your social/rugby lives there will be consequences. This should mean he gets the players focused on rugby!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/8991350/Danny-Care-thrown-out-of-Englands-Six-Nations-squad-after-failing-a-drink-driving-test-on-New-Years-Day.html
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England interim head coach, Stuart Lancaster, mindful of the scandal-hit World Cup campaign, decided to crack down hard after learning of the news on Sunday, travelling down from Leeds the following day to meet with the player and Harlequins' director of rugby, Conor O'Shea.
Lancaster's prompt disciplinary action is in stark contrast to the laissez-faire approach of Martin Johnson who defended Mike Tindall when he was caught up in a late-night drinking episode in Queenstown. The England centre was subsequently disciplined by the Rugby Football Union.
The 32-man England squad is not named until Jan 11 but Care was certain to be included even though he had been reprimanded by Lancaster, and fined a ‘substantial' amount by his club after he was arrested for being drunk and disorderly in mid-December following a 21-10 defeat by Toulouse in a Heineken Cup match at the Stoop, the club's first defeat of the season.
Last weekend Care returned from Devon after scoring a try in his side's hard-fought 11-9 Aviva Premiership victory over Exeter on New Year's Eve.
He had a few drinks at a local pub and returned to the house he shares with Harlequins team-mates, fly-half, Rory Clegg and centre, Jordan Turner-Hall. A phone call from a former girlfriend in the early hours led to Care getting in his car and driving to his friend's house. He was stopped en route.
It's believed that he was twice the legal limit permitted for alcohol in the bloodstream. The case is scheduled to be heard on Jan 16.
Care, 25 two days ago, missed England's World cup campaign after injuring a plate in his toe during the second of the warm-up matches against Wales in August. He would almost certainly have started the tournament as first-choice scrum-half as Ben Youngs regained full match fitness following a knee injury.
The Leicester player did go on to take part in every game in the World Cup but Care has been in terrific form and pushing hard for the starting No 9 shirt. He remarked only the other day that: “My form is as good as it's been for a few years.”
England have a pressing issue to solve now at scrum-half, with Youngs' understudy in New Zealand, Richard Wigglesworth of Saracens, a long-term absentee through injury. Wasps' Joe Simpson won his one and only cap in New Zealand.
I think this is good for Lancaster and England as it is showing it doesn't matter who you are in the England team if don't keep your discipline in your social/rugby lives there will be consequences. This should mean he gets the players focused on rugby!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/8991350/Danny-Care-thrown-out-of-Englands-Six-Nations-squad-after-failing-a-drink-driving-test-on-New-Years-Day.html
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leachy15- Posts : 22
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Re: Danny Care out of 6 nations squad
IMO it’s a big lose for England, but it’s good to see a tough stance being taken by the English management
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Well thats what happens when you dont have Martin Johnson to instill discpline in the squad
What a twerp. Obviously learnt from the England backs mentor Tindall on that one.
He had a real chance to challenge Youngs for first choice in the 6 nations. Opens the door for Simpson, Dickson and Wigglesworth in the squad.
What a twerp. Obviously learnt from the England backs mentor Tindall on that one.
He had a real chance to challenge Youngs for first choice in the 6 nations. Opens the door for Simpson, Dickson and Wigglesworth in the squad.
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How silly of him, really expected more od a seior player like Care. Ho hum, we're all human and hopefully he'll be able to make up for it in the summer.
Who will go in his place?
Wigglsworth is injured and Simpson has looked crap this season. Dickson maybe? I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.
Who will go in his place?
Wigglsworth is injured and Simpson has looked crap this season. Dickson maybe? I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.
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Bold move, but will hopefully force the players to respect wearing the rose again.
Wouldn't mind seeing Dickson in the squad as he offers something a lot different to Youngs. Shame Simpson's been off form this season so far
Wouldn't mind seeing Dickson in the squad as he offers something a lot different to Youngs. Shame Simpson's been off form this season so far
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1 Billion per cent agree with the decision. England needs this type of tough management.
Re: Danny Care out of 6 nations squad
Well handled by England. Players everywhere (Zac Guildford and Quade Cooper are other recent examples) are quite capable of doing stupid things while drinking - it's good to see some consequences attached to such actions.
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Re: Danny Care out of 6 nations squad
yappysnap wrote:
Who will go in his place?
I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.
You mean Young right?
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler- Posts : 10344
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What a twit, and straight after all that stuff after the home game loss against Toulouse.
He would have been a starter or bench option for the 6N!
Wigglesworth is out for season - may not get another cap
Simpson is apparently out of form.
Is Dickson at Saints fit?
The only other candidate that I can think of is Hodgeson at LI - how is he doing?
He would have been a starter or bench option for the 6N!
Wigglesworth is out for season - may not get another cap
Simpson is apparently out of form.
Is Dickson at Saints fit?
The only other candidate that I can think of is Hodgeson at LI - how is he doing?
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Ha, could we see Perry making an international comeback! Not likely
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Maybe Banahan could fill in?
oh wait a min, I forgot MJ's clueless management style has gone.
oh wait a min, I forgot MJ's clueless management style has gone.
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Might sound fairly silly but could Ben Spencer be a dark horse?
I don't think he is ready just yet but surely he's on the radar?
I don't think he is ready just yet but surely he's on the radar?
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Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?
This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....
This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....
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Good on Lancaster. Seems to me he was appointed for his no-nonsense approach and this just demonstrates that. When somebody brings the national jersey into disrepute, I don't care what nation you play for or who you are, you're out.
Except if you're Jane and Dagg caught having a smoke and too drunk to walk and you're in a World Cup.
Except if you're Jane and Dagg caught having a smoke and too drunk to walk and you're in a World Cup.
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Correct decision...seems Lancaster is putting his stamp on the squad already...which is exactly what was needed....
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Definitely the right decision. England need to stamp out all of this nonsense and Lancaster, whilst only a caretaker, is doing the right thing in setting the standards for discipline high. The World Cup discipline was awful and England need to take a zero tolerance approach going forward.
It's a shame for Care having missed the WC but he should have thought about that before behaving like a moron.
Youngs nailed on to start now and I guess Dickson and Simpson now need to buck up their ideas to get onto the bench. Don't think Hodgson is fit yet.
It's a shame for Care having missed the WC but he should have thought about that before behaving like a moron.
Youngs nailed on to start now and I guess Dickson and Simpson now need to buck up their ideas to get onto the bench. Don't think Hodgson is fit yet.
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Agree with thoughts above - excellent move by Lancaster.
BUT
Gutted we'll be missing out as he's been in excellent form!
BUT
Gutted we'll be missing out as he's been in excellent form!
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roddersm wrote: Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?
This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....
Err Danny Care is the crab
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Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:yappysnap wrote:
Who will go in his place?
I'd put forward Youngs if he actually got game time.
You mean Young right?
Yes Micky Young, he was floating about the saxons and looked really good at Falcons but injuries and being second/third/fourth/second choice at Tigers have meant very little game time which is a shame.
Youngs will start and luckily he's really hitting that form which is needed and so is Flood which is great.
After that i'd have Dickson, he's a threat with the ball which Wigglesworth isn't and he has a lot better basic skills like defence and game awareness then Simpson. Wouldn't mind seeing Spencer in the training squad or in the Saxons Beshocked, he looked very comfortable in his appearences so far for Saracens, probably Saxons first though so he can have a taste of playing behind a pack worse then Saracens!
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Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:roddersm wrote: Does that mean we're going to have to put up with watching Ben Youngs run sideways for the entire 6N?
This really isn't good for the neutral viewers....
Err Danny Care is the crab
Youngs became the crab in the end and Care looked good off the becnh, so i'm tempted to blame coaching for this.
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Pissing the night away, pissing the night away
He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the best times
(Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy)
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You nay ever gonna keep me down
He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the best times
(Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy)
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You nay ever gonna keep me down
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Nice one munkian.
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wow munkian!
You made me giggle like a little school girl, I guess there is a 1st time for everything.
You made me giggle like a little school girl, I guess there is a 1st time for everything.
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HERSH wrote:wow munkian!
You made me giggle like a little school girl, I guess there is a 1st time for everything.
Ithankyou
munkian- Posts : 8456
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A phone call from a former girlfriend in the early hours led to Care getting in his car and driving to his friend's house. He was stopped en route.
Hmmm, did someone say 'booty call'? Was this 'friend's' house the same as his ex's? Sounds like young Danny boy was letting his old fellar do the thinking for him.
Stupid thing to do, drink driving is never clever and doing it when you're in the public eye is really brainless.
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munkian wrote:Pissing the night away, pissing the night away
He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him of the best times
(Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy)
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You nay ever gonna keep me down
Hate to be picky, but pretty sure it was "better times"....
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One question: was he charged for Careless driving or drunk Care driving?
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kiakahaaotearoa wrote:One question: was he charged for Careless driving or drunk Care driving?
Without due care and attention I think
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I couldn't care less.
I'll get my coat.
I'll get my coat.
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As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N
Seriously though, it is very good to see Lancaster stamping his authority. Can only serve to gain respect from his players.
Seriously though, it is very good to see Lancaster stamping his authority. Can only serve to gain respect from his players.
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Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?
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eirebilly wrote:As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N
I agree Billy, it should be a lot safer driving to and from the games now....
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Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?.
Which one?
Lee at Saints is blowing a bit hot and cold and has not shown the fine form of last season.
Karl at Quins was playing very well in place of Care but is currently injured but should be back soon.
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eirebilly wrote:As an Irishman i have to say well done in removing a threat from the 6N
Seriously though, it is very good to see Lancaster stamping his authority. Can only serve to gain respect from his players.
Ciome on Billy how often are England a threat to Ireland in the 6 nations regardless of whos fit :/
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Carried on from last season with his form and deserves a chance. God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year, didn't make any sense. Benifiting this season from having another decent scrum half at Northampton so not playing every game for the full 80 minutes unlike what happened a lot of the time in 2010/2011.flankertye wrote:Good decision, how is Dickson looking this season?
One his best attributes is ordering the forwards around (lets face it, most forwards aren't that bright ) and my one worry would be that he would be a bit reserved at first if given the chance. Otherwise very good in defense and reads the game well, gets to the breakdown fast and gets the ball away quickly and more than happy to mix it up with the forwards and dart around the fringes. Bit of a mouthy sod which isn't a bad thing for a scrum half.
If he has the confidence to play the same as he does at Saints then I can see him doing well for England.
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God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year
Operation on an injury?
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He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.formerly known as Sam wrote:God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year
Operation on an injury?
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B91212 wrote:He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.formerly known as Sam wrote:God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year
Operation on an injury?
So it was Young and Hodgson ahead of him? Was there a third SH in that squad?
Its not unreasonable he was behind Care, Youngs, Simpson and Wigglesworth for senior spots but if hes the 8th best English SH (not includeing Foden) we are at least getting one position right.
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That's a big loss, he looks very sharp for the 'Quins these days.
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Care clearly didn't get the memo MJ has gone and thought that this was the best way to get selected for the next RWC/Stag do.
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He may have been behind Simpson, Wigglesworth & Hodgson) in the then England Managements eye's but it wasn't the first selection decision they got wrong. Unlike Simpson can defend and has a decent pass and unlike Wigglesworth is a threat around the fringes. Don't actually mind Wigglesworth as a player but think Dickson is better. Hodgson can't currently make the Irish 15 and I don't think his form is any different now than it was back then. Not just for the chrome dome but Hodgson is the English version of Stringer. Good box kick and pass but absolutely no threat whatsoever will ball in hand (other than one memorable time in Stringers case).Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:B91212 wrote:He was injured earlier on (shoulder) but was back in time to be in the mix. I remember the commentators stating that he was very upset he didn't make either squad.formerly known as Sam wrote:God knows why he didn't at least make the Saxons last year
Operation on an injury?
So it was Young and Hodgson ahead of him? Was there a third SH in that squad?
Its not unreasonable he was behind Care, Youngs, Simpson and Wigglesworth for senior spots but if hes the 8th best English SH (not includeing Foden) we are at least getting one position right.
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Good start Stewart at least now you have a man in charge of England who will accept no nonsense his predecessor was too lax with discipline.
Defend a player if he is in the right but come down heavy on him if he breaks the rules.
Defend a player if he is in the right but come down heavy on him if he breaks the rules.
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This is totaly stupid thing that Care as done, especialy after his early arrest for drunk and disorderly.
Well done to Lancaster for doing what he said he was going too do, get tough and bring some mutch needed pride back into the England team.
Well done to Lancaster for doing what he said he was going too do, get tough and bring some mutch needed pride back into the England team.
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Danny Care (Lancaster)
Danny Cipriani (Johnson)
Both good calls.
Danny Cipriani (Johnson)
Both good calls.
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Cymroglan wrote:Good start Stewart at least now you have a man in charge of England who will accept no nonsense his predecessor was too lax with discipline.
Defend a player if he is in the right but come down heavy on him if he breaks the rules.
The last manager being Martin Johnson who dropped Danny Care for poor discipline then got a rollocking from the press and internets for being too harsh on discipline you mean?
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When did he drop him for poor discipline ? are you talking about the Ireland match in 2009 when he came on late in the match and got yellow carded ?
Martin Johnson would not have done what Lancaster has just done MJ was too protective of the players even to a point that it became embarrassing to watch a great ex England captain defending something that we all knew was completely out of order.
You now have a coach that's there on merit and I believe that he is the man that will take you forward.
Martin Johnson would not have done what Lancaster has just done MJ was too protective of the players even to a point that it became embarrassing to watch a great ex England captain defending something that we all knew was completely out of order.
You now have a coach that's there on merit and I believe that he is the man that will take you forward.
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Cymroglan wrote:When did he drop him for poor discipline ? are you talking about the Ireland match in 2009 when he came on late in the match and got yellow carded ?
Martin Johnson would not have done what Lancaster has just done MJ was too protective of the players even to a point that it became embarrassing to watch a great ex England captain defending something that we all knew was completely out of order.
You now have a coach that's there on merit and I believe that he is the man that will take you forward.
So he didnt drop Ojo and Brown after the New Zealnd tour for their poor discipline then?
Rewind 2 years and he was getting mullered by all for being too strict with his players, unlike Brian Ashton who been panned for being too cosey and like a grandfather to his favourites.
You really cant win as England coach.
Its also comeplete rubbish to say that Lancaster has this temporray job purely on merit. He has it because hes a yes man and already employed by the RFU who cant employ anyone on a permanent basis till they get the structure above them sorted out and have a proper job description. He has done a decent job as Saxons coach but hes got a lot to do to prove hes ready for such a difficult full international post.
To be fair though if he does fail I dont think that would prove hes no good, the state the squads in and the rate of injury drop outs ( Johnson team were panned for wrapping the players in cotton wool in the build up to the world cup ...not so stupid if you look at the 2007 one mind) plus the idiocy of Care with no doubt more to come leaves him a very difficult task. If England can finish with 3 wins hes done a fine job, but I suspect he'll need 4 to be in with a real chance of keeping it.
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Compared to the previous incumbent Lancaster is extremely well qualified for the role. In case you've forgotten the last coach had no expereince whatsoever so are you surprised you can't win as England coach. He should never have been coach in the first place so complaining that he has somehow had it hard seems to be missing the point
But you are right, you really can't win as England coach; If you come into the biggest job in English rugby, with no experience and then preside over a fiasco of your own making, you get blamed and quit. Terrible
But you are right, you really can't win as England coach; If you come into the biggest job in English rugby, with no experience and then preside over a fiasco of your own making, you get blamed and quit. Terrible
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