Glasgow Warriors vs Leinster - game 5, pool 3, Heino

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Pos Team Pl W D L Pts
1 Leinster Rugby 4 3 1 0 16
2 Glasgow Warriors4 2 1 1 10
3 Bath Rugby 4 1 0 3 6
4 Montpellier HRC 4 0 2 2 6

Leinster will be keen to ensure a home fixture for the quarters with two wins in the final matches, but Glasgow are first up to stand in their way. Taught a lesson at the RDS, hopefully the Warriors will be keen to exact some revenge at Firhill, with the lure of going thru as a best qualifier for the first time ever to the quarters (or at least ensuring an Amlin Cup QF spot)

Gibbo, can you send us one too? Thanks mate.

It's a dogfight alright, Glasgow are really up for it. Shot themselves in the foot a couple of times with no protection of the ball at the breakdown. You can see though that Leinster are soaking it up. Cronin should have scored a try under the posts after about fifteen phases.

Level going into the break. Expecting Leinster to come out and boss the second half unless they have another bad Bath day.

No decent running lines. Need to up the pace in the 2nd-half. Schmidt & Gibbes will roast them in the dressing-room.

I expect a reaction.

Breaker. DONE

Thanks Gibbo!

Shocking defending

Here come Leinster....

You GENIUS Sexton!

Why is McFadden kicking?

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Thx Cari.

Sexton was carrying an injury. Precautionary I would've thought.

You're welcome Red.

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Cheers Cari

Sexton starting to boss the game

McFaddens kicking % is over 90%. Nae bad for a backup.

Sexton must be carrying an injury. Hope he's ok.

Gibbo - yeah it was his ankle apparently. He'll be all right, it just affected his kicking a bit.

Cymro - excellent! I haven't been to Scotland.

Weir keeping them in touch

This game needs O Malley at 13. McFadden to 12.

Now lads!

As long as leinster get the win who cares if it's tries or penalties. Ferg's having a good game. He should play for Ireland more...

Cussiter off injured. Hope he's all right, he's not long come back. Boss on for Reddan.

Cracking kick that spices it up a bit now

Glasgow so deserved that.

Mon Leinster FFS!

GAME ON!!! 16 - 16.

That's a proper rugby pitch it even has run off slopes for the wingers.

Ball against the post protector? Try!

Boss could have a try here...yep. 16 - 23.

SOB binned and Glasgow have the scrum...

Good grief...if Leinster don't concede anything in these dying minutes, Glasgow would've been very unlucky.

FT 16 - 23. Leinster are through. Unlucky Glasgow. Fluffed some good opportunities today.

Tough luck Glasgow, Leinster are good at winning.

Tight finish.
How Glasgow didn't score with a few mins to go... with a few Leinster players coming in from the side. Lucky to keep them out with some desperate defence.

Good game and a good win for Leinster.

Well played Glasgow. Showed your true colours today and but for some bad decision-making - ye could have had that one.

Experience took us home. Boss made all the difer.

Knew it would be a dogfight. Glasgow just kept coming. You can say they were unlucky but they were always playing catch up.

I'd be miffed if I was a Glasgow fan. Not because they lost today, but the difference between that performance and their last one in Dublin was massive. Why? It shows how important home advantage is.

Top teams win tight games.

glasgow desperately need more invention in the backs. Im sorry, but Weir was so unimaginative today. take the pass, ship it on, no challenge to the defence. No cut-out, no long passes, no short passes onto runners, no identification of players in space. They are in a similar situation to scotland, talent in the outside backs, but nothing coming from the inside to put them in space. Aside from fielding high balls, Lamont, Shaw and Seymour never touched the ball.

Glasgow have a good platform from the forwards, and a good defence, but until you guys develop an edge in attack, you will not beat streetwise teams, and cant justify yourselves making the knockouts.

nevertheless, unlucky, and again, you showed good spirit.

Agree with the above sentiments, playing the spoiling game will make you very difficult to break down and beat. But it will never be enough for Glasgow to challenge for silverware - they have to start trying to play something more expansive.

Hmm, didn't watch this but the above posts sound awfully familiar.

Excellent forwards, sounds like the loosies matched each other, lack of cohesion in getting the backs moving.

Robinson has to be looking at this very carefully. Kind of makes the case for Laidlaw being Scotland's 10.

And a case for Lamont at 15 Hogg looked pretty daft for Kearnys try.

George Carlin wrote:Hmm, didn't watch this but the above posts sound awfully familiar.

Excellent forwards, sounds like the loosies matched each other, lack of cohesion in getting the backs moving.

Robinson has to be looking at this very carefully. Kind of makes the case for Laidlaw being Scotland's 10.

Cusiter couldnt hit a barn door today, but even so, Weir was slow and laboured with his passing, and it was exclusively just shipped along the line to either a forward, or Morrison.

As you say, its a familiar sight this season. Its an area that scotland really need to improve in, and to do this glasgow really need to improve it. Unfortunately, the press dont seem to realise that its a problem, and you dont get the impression that the glasgow coaching team think its a problem either. I think Weir has the potential to play much better attacking rugby, but hes reminded me so much of Parks on an off day over recent weeks, that I wonder if its the coaching. Is Lineen telling him to play this way and putting no emphasis on improving his distribution and running?

very disappointed by weir for one who got good reviews. some very poor passing. glasgow front 5 were excellent and their back row had a decent outing. got the better of us for long periods. 2nd rows and props carried very well
end of day we won away against a decent side on a tight little pitch. a few concerns but job done. would much prefer mc fadden and o malley in midfield

I do not agree totally with negative points on Weir, suffice to say I think there is a training issue, Glasgow do play with a particular pattern which must be training ground driven.

Weir has the potential of being a very good number 10 generally his kicking from hand and tee is of the highest quality, if he can remain in the Scotland radar then may be the new coach from down under can change the way we play.

He never fails to tackle, sometimes I think he should, and today he tried a cross kick, o.k. it was to far forward but at least he gave the call and tried something different where they were struggling to get through the Leinster defense.

I still think at Glasgow we do not create fast ball therefore limiting what 9 & 10 can do.

Guess who's been over in Glasgow working with wee Duncy and Jacko? ... Toony! No wonder he seems to have dropped off a bit

123skelm wrote:I do not agree totally with negative points on Weir, suffice to say I think there is a training issue, Glasgow do play with a particular pattern which must be training ground driven.

Weir has the potential of being a very good number 10 generally his kicking from hand and tee is of the highest quality, if he can remain in the Scotland radar then may be the new coach from down under can change the way we play.

He never fails to tackle, sometimes I think he should, and today he tried a cross kick, o.k. it was to far forward but at least he gave the call and tried something different where they were struggling to get through the Leinster defense.

I still think at Glasgow we do not create fast ball therefore limiting what 9 & 10 can do.

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123skelm wrote:I do not agree totally with negative points on Weir, suffice to say I think there is a training issue, Glasgow do play with a particular pattern which must be training ground driven.

Weir has the potential of being a very good number 10 generally his kicking from hand and tee is of the highest quality, if he can remain in the Scotland radar then may be the new coach from down under can change the way we play.

He never fails to tackle, sometimes I think he should, and today he tried a cross kick, o.k. it was to far forward but at least he gave the call and tried something different where they were struggling to get through the Leinster defense.

I still think at Glasgow we do not create fast ball therefore limiting what 9 & 10 can do.

Im not questioning his ability with the boot, which is top notch, but his attitude to distribution. Ball in hand, he was slow, laboured, stood far too deep, and did nothing other than provide an extra pair of hands to move the ball along the line. He did not direct his backs and identify space for them, or get the ball to his wingers quickly or anything of that sort.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that this is Lineens coaching. He never seems to be bothered by glasgows lack of cutting edge, and has presided over two stand offs who have both regressed into identical styles ball in hand.

IBD, in fairness, Glasgow ball was pretty slow today, Cus's service was far from its best and Morrison was at 12 - in these conditions, I'd probably hoof the ball a lot too!

123skelm wrote:I do not agree totally with negative points on Weir, suffice to say I think there is a training issue, Glasgow do play with a particular pattern which must be training ground driven.

Weir has the potential of being a very good number 10 generally his kicking from hand and tee is of the highest quality, if he can remain in the Scotland radar then may be the new coach from down under can change the way we play.

He never fails to tackle, sometimes I think he should, and today he tried a cross kick, o.k. it was to far forward but at least he gave the call and tried something different where they were struggling to get through the Leinster defense.

I still think at Glasgow we do not create fast ball therefore limiting what 9 & 10 can do.

Totally agree, thought some of his kicking from hand today was great and his touchline conversion was good, Cusiters passing wasn't great today which I think slowed Weir down a bit. He did try a few things today, probably didn't want to do too much after the Edinburgh game when he seemed to be trying too hard to make things happen

Imperialbigdave

Firhill is a difficult place to find space, I don't think as you now seem to be warming to that all was not Weirs fault just like we could complain about Hogg not looking to pass yet again.

These two young guys are just stepping up to the plate and hopefully with ' proper coaching' they could be part of Scotland's future greats or at least sound performers.

123skelm wrote:Imperialbigdave

Firhill is a difficult place to find space, I don't think as you now seem to be warming to that all was not Weirs fault just like we could complain about Hogg not looking to pass yet again.

These two young guys are just stepping up to the plate and hopefully with ' proper coaching' they could be part of Scotland's future greats or at least sound performers.

My problem is that Weir is considered by many to be the frontrunner for the scotland 10 shirt. If this is the case, then he must improve. If he is still "stepping up to the plate" as you put it, then thats not ready for international rugby in my opinion, and he should not be considered for selection.

I never once said it was all Weirs fault, Im just highlighting him as he is a key player.

As for the firhill space issue. It either has it or doesnt. I know your new to the forum, but too often the story changes. If it suits a pro glasgow argument, firhill apparently has no less space than anywhere else, if it doesnt, "ah but its a narrower pitch you see". Ive seen plenty of teams come to firhill and have no problem finding space. If glasgow play there more than anyone else, then neither should they.

I think SOB shown once again why he is suiting the 7 role more and more these days. Do you honestly think his runs are as effective? I certainly don't, especially when he takes the ball static. He is best taking the ball at pace, as a support player and when he does that he is so hard to stop. Also his breakdown skills are improving so much, he made plenty of turnovers today and apart from his yellow, he did very well at the breakdown. Just needs to iron out those sorts of penalties.

Really I don't know why people think he is best at 6.. last year he looked good no matter what shirt he played in, though the majority of his games were at 6, which is probably the reason people think he is best there. But now that really has changed, and he is being marked significantly nowadays. I think another reason would be that Leinster fans want to see Jennings start. However I think SOB will take over the 7 role from Jennings permanently in the future.

Also, even if 6 was his best position, he wouldn't be getting to play 6 for Ireland with Ferris around

Weir - not his best game perhpas but not as bad as he has been posted.

He never will be a mercurial runner but he does more than Imperialbigdave seemed to see IMO

His running is the weakest part of his game - he did mix up the passing a bit today and he does use a variety of passes