Glasgow Warriors vs Leinster - game 5, pool 3, Heino

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun 08 Jan 2012, 3:33 pm

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Pos Team Pl W D L Pts
1 Leinster Rugby 4 3 1 0 16
2 Glasgow Warriors4 2 1 1 10
3 Bath Rugby 4 1 0 3 6
4 Montpellier HRC 4 0 2 2 6

Leinster will be keen to ensure a home fixture for the quarters with two wins in the final matches, but Glasgow are first up to stand in their way. Taught a lesson at the RDS, hopefully the Warriors will be keen to exact some revenge at Firhill, with the lure of going thru as a best qualifier for the first time ever to the quarters (or at least ensuring an Amlin Cup QF spot)

by Feckless Rogue Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm

Aaron Dundan

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:Aaron Dundan

Are you trying to say Leinster spelt it wrong?

by Mickado Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm

As - I know we'll be hoping that Cronin lasts the distance. I think this is his first year in the academy.

McLaughlin must have picked up a knock last week. He did come off injured.

Good to see Dave Kearney getting his first HC start too.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm

He's a Kiwi who has been playing for Clontarf btw. With a surname like that he is probably IQ through relations, but I think he has played with Clontarf long enough to qualify anyway.

Has come on a few times for us, including the ML Final in Thomond

by **rodders** Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:35 pm

No Horgan or Fitzgerald and Carr still can't make the 22....should have stayed at Connacht son....

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm

roddersm wrote:No Horgan or Fitzgerald and Carr still can't make the 22....should have stayed at Connacht son....

Conway Carr and D Kearney are next in line. Dave got the spot.

by Mickado Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:37 pm

roddersm wrote:No Horgan or Fitzgerald and Carr still can't make the 22....should have stayed at Connacht son....

He was injured against Ulster i think. We haven't seen him since. Now that i think of it Fitz was due to be on the bench agianst Connacht and was a late withdrawl. That's probably why he's not in the squad.

by Feckless Rogue Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:37 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:Aaron Dundan

Are you trying to say Leinster spelt it wrong?

Woops!

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:38 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:Aaron Dundan

Are you trying to say Leinster spelt it wrong?

Woops!

He He.

Sorry for being pedantic.

by **rodders** Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:39 pm

Dave Kearney has really came on this season, looks the real deal.

Conway needs to bulk up and strengthen a bit for this level still but Carr looks out of his depth.

When is Horgan back?

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:40 pm

roddersm wrote:Dave Kearney has really came on this season, looks the real deal.

Conway needs to bulk up and strengthen a bit for this level still but Carr looks out of his depth.

When is Horgan back?

They've gone quiet on that. He is only back running this month. Hope he can come back before the end of the 6N

by Mickado Fri 13 Jan 2012, 12:46 pm

One of the lads on the Leinster podcast said he was talking to Shaggy and he is coming back. Whatever it was isn't career threatening.

by Adam D Fri 13 Jan 2012, 1:19 pm

Mickado wrote:
roddersm wrote:No Horgan or Fitzgerald and Carr still can't make the 22....should have stayed at Connacht son....

He was injured against Ulster i think. We haven't seen him since. Now that i think of it Fitz was due to be on the bench agianst Connacht and was a late withdrawl. That's probably why he's not in the squad.

sineadkissane Sinéad Kissane
Leinster say Luke Fitzgerald strained his neck two weeks ago and so remains sidelined. Taking it on week by week basis

by Mickado Fri 13 Jan 2012, 1:22 pm

Good spot Adam, how'd you come across that info - did somebody really sound retweet it? Wink

by geoff998rugby Fri 13 Jan 2012, 2:26 pm

Carr isn't good enough

by Feckless Rogue Fri 13 Jan 2012, 3:21 pm

Carr is good at Pro 12 level. Has done some nice stuff for Leinster. He's only gonna be a squad player here though. He'd get far more game time at most other teams.

by geoff998rugby Fri 13 Jan 2012, 3:36 pm

Would he though - I would not pick him in preference to Trimble or Gilroy. and I doubt Munster would pick him in preference to Howlett, Earls or even Zebo.

He would only be a squad play at all 3 of the top Irish provinces.

by SecretFly Fri 13 Jan 2012, 4:35 pm

Carr is signed to the best side in Europe (yes, yes, yes - time will tell if they lose that crown this year, but for now, they can still use it - justifyably so at times too!)
Anyway, how do we know he isn't good enough? How long has he had? He's had Connacht? Well, he certainly was one of the players that briefly added to the fire in their belly a season or so ago..before the IRFU decided to kill the loose goose (only room for 3 golden ones in the Irish set up).

And now he has had his in and out starter year with Leinster... a star studded list of proof and potential. How can we say he's not good enough? He certainly has a fight on his hands but again, he's in one of the hottest climates in European rugby - it was always going to be a tough fight. The times I've seen him, he's pulled off his role with enough spice, pace and invention to please me. He's not fluff. Leinster might not be the best place for him to be, professionally speaking, but the guy isn't fluff.

by thebandwagonsociety Fri 13 Jan 2012, 4:59 pm

Its good to see that Schmidt can shuffle his squad around for the starting positions and still keep his side favourites/strong contenders for every game. The middle and lower end of the depth charts for most positions has definitely improved since he has come in. It means he has his 'home' HC team, an 'away' HC team, a Pro12 team and still mixes in a couple bolters (Auv'a, Flanagan) quite well.

It might be that Cheika got the structures and frameworks in place, but Schmidt seems to have fill out the support/depth far better than I remember with Cheika (whose first team was great, but did he concentrate on peripheral players and improving them?)

by Mickado Fri 13 Jan 2012, 5:22 pm

SecretFly wrote:Carr is signed to the best side in Europe (yes, yes, yes - time will tell if they lose that crown this year, but for now, they can still use it - justifyably so at times too!)
Anyway, how do we know he isn't good enough? How long has he had? He's had Connacht? Well, he certainly was one of the players that briefly added to the fire in their belly a season or so ago..before the IRFU decided to kill the loose goose (only room for 3 golden ones in the Irish set up).

And now he has had his in and out starter year with Leinster... a star studded list of proof and potential. How can we say he's not good enough? He certainly has a fight on his hands but again, he's in one of the hottest climates in European rugby - it was always going to be a tough fight. The times I've seen him, he's pulled off his role with enough spice, pace and invention to please me. He's not fluff. Leinster might not be the best place for him to be, professionally speaking, but the guy isn't fluff.

Well said sir. Excellent stuff.

by gmclachl Fri 13 Jan 2012, 6:40 pm

Does anyone know if you can use "Any Game" tickets on Sunday.

by Gibson Fri 13 Jan 2012, 7:37 pm

Mickado wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Carr is signed to the best side in Europe (yes, yes, yes - time will tell if they lose that crown this year, but for now, they can still use it - justifyably so at times too!)
Anyway, how do we know he isn't good enough? How long has he had? He's had Connacht? Well, he certainly was one of the players that briefly added to the fire in their belly a season or so ago..before the IRFU decided to kill the loose goose (only room for 3 golden ones in the Irish set up).

And now he has had his in and out starter year with Leinster... a star studded list of proof and potential. How can we say he's not good enough? He certainly has a fight on his hands but again, he's in one of the hottest climates in European rugby - it was always going to be a tough fight. The times I've seen him, he's pulled off his role with enough spice, pace and invention to please me. He's not fluff. Leinster might not be the best place for him to be, professionally speaking, but the guy isn't fluff.

Well said sir. Excellent stuff.

+1

Carr is as fast as lightening and just needs the input from Schmidt to imrpove those parts of his game (defence, awareness and decision-making) to challenge the other wingers. Dave Kearney was where Carr is now. And he's improved massively under Schmidt. The boy could make his name with Leinster yet. If he doesnt with us, he will leave us twice the player.

Just to say, now Jennings is in, Im not as worried about this game as I was before. This game will be won and lost at the breakdown and he is the Master. No matter what anyone says.
Really happy Toner is being rewarded for his recent form.14 Irishmen start and 6 on the bench, in the HC. Feic you and yer Directive IRFU. zen

Happy with the team as a whole and delighted we are playing our home team. - away. There wont be much in this game, but I think we will squeeze it.

Believe.

by RuggerRadge2611 Sat 14 Jan 2012, 12:15 am

Glasgow will hopefully be spurred on by Edinburgh's heroics across the channel. Fortress firhill is a tough place to go for anyone even the red hot favourites and reigning champs, the mighty leinster.

This might be the combination of laphroaig, innis and Gunn talking but I thin Glasgow have a very good chance of winning this one.

No matter what my Irish bretheren I'm looking forward to a cracker Hug

by Artful_Dodger Sat 14 Jan 2012, 12:20 am

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Glasgow will hopefully be spurred on by Edinburgh's heroics across the channel. Fortress firhill is a tough place to go for anyone even the red hot favourites and reigning champs, the mighty leinster.

This might be the combination of laphroaig, innis and Gunn talking but I thin Glasgow have a very good chance of winning this one.

No matter what my Irish bretheren I'm looking forward to a cracker

Absolutely adore Innis and Gunn - tastes like toffee Very Happy

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 14 Jan 2012, 12:29 am

Innes and Gunn - best beer ever ever ever - should really sponsor Scotland or the Warriors. Edinburgh would be more like Baileys - Wink

by Feckless Rogue Sat 14 Jan 2012, 1:35 am

Leinster don't actually have a brilliant record in Scotland at all. Maybe someone else can dig out some some stats on that. And while we look superb/brilliant/stunning etc. in Dublin, we've been in plenty of very tight contests away from home. It's interesting that Schmidt has selected the "home team". He's clearly planning to play fast try scoring rugby. I think it's the right plan.

by Gibson Sat 14 Jan 2012, 2:55 am

Leinster are starting to evolve at the high-end. We were changing teams to suit circumstances. Dogged and strong away from home. And starting attacking teams, looking for 5pts - at home. Now, Schmidt, has blended it in to the best team we can start. Home or Away.

I do believe that Schmidt was building up to this.

He's a great coach though. Smert.

by mankiaow Sat 14 Jan 2012, 6:13 am

Look out for any strange looking men in shades and trench coats in the crowd, keeping an eye on Rory Lamont. I hear the CIA have people everywhere!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 14 Jan 2012, 10:32 am

Navy Seals in the Jackie Husband apparently ! Cool

by PJHolybloke Sat 14 Jan 2012, 9:15 pm

Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

by Gibson Sat 14 Jan 2012, 9:28 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

+1

by Rava Sat 14 Jan 2012, 10:29 pm

Gibson wrote:
Just to say, now Jennings is in, Im not as worried about this game as I was before. This game will be won and lost at the breakdown and he is the Master. No matter what anyone says.
1. Really happy Toner is being rewarded for his recent form.
2. 14 Irishmen start and 6 on the bench, in the HC. Feic you and yer Directive IRFU.

Happy with the team as a whole and delighted we are playing our home team. - away. There wont be much in this game, but I think we will squeeze it.

Believe.

1. I am delighted Toner has shown such improvement. Is he ready to improve his stock at Test level, we'll see. I hope so.

2. It's commendable and is worth you highlighting same. Its not always been that way.

by Gibson Sun 15 Jan 2012, 12:18 am

Rava wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Just to say, now Jennings is in, Im not as worried about this game as I was before. This game will be won and lost at the breakdown and he is the Master. No matter what anyone says.
1. Really happy Toner is being rewarded for his recent form.
2. 14 Irishmen start and 6 on the bench, in the HC. Feic you and yer Directive IRFU.

3. Having Jennings in, and I totally agree with Gibbo on this one - will make the difference here. He is as important to Leinster, as Ferris is to Ulster. When it comes right down to the nitty-gritty. He will dominate the breakdown and give us the game. Like he does.

Happy with the team as a whole and delighted we are playing our home team. - away. There wont be much in this game, but I think we will squeeze it.

Believe.

1. I am delighted Toner has shown such improvement. Is he ready to improve his stock at Test level, we'll see. I hope so.

2. It's commendable and is worth you highlighting same. Its not always been that way.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun 15 Jan 2012, 8:15 am

Gibson wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

+1

Nah, PJ, yer senility is kicking in bad today! Wink

Glasgow were unlucky to draw down in Montpellier, whereas Leinster scraped their draw and Bath lost. That's the true indication of these teams

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun 15 Jan 2012, 8:17 am

Artful_Dodger wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Glasgow will hopefully be spurred on by Edinburgh's heroics across the channel. Fortress firhill is a tough place to go for anyone even the red hot favourites and reigning champs, the mighty leinster.

This might be the combination of laphroaig, innis and Gunn talking but I thin Glasgow have a very good chance of winning this one.

No matter what my Irish bretheren I'm looking forward to a cracker

Absolutely adore Innis and Gunn - tastes like toffee

So it does, Dodge, proper caramelly - that'll be the whisky barrels that its stored in - beer plus nectar of the gods, what can go wrong?

by **George Carlin** Sun 15 Jan 2012, 11:43 am

Feckless Rogue wrote:Leinster don't actually have a brilliant record in Scotland at all. Maybe someone else can dig out some some stats on that.

Feckless, the Irish Times mentioned that Leinster have lost in Scotland on four of seven treks in this competition and I don't believe have ever won a Heineken Cup game at Firhill. Since completing a Heineken Cup and league four-timer over the Warriors six seasons ago, Leinster have lost on all five of their subsequent visits to Glasgow. It won't be cakewalk - IT also correctly mentioned that Glasgow have lost just two of their last 13, winning six on the bounce at home and six of their last seven home ties in the cup.

Really irritiating that Moray Low is out at tight as his replacement is not in the same league and should give Lions set piece advantage. What's going to be interesting is to see if the Glasgow back 5 forwards can justify their increasingly burgeoning reputations. Don't really care that Jackson is injured if Weir continues to play this well.

Really looking forward to it - Leinster fans are great and it's always excellent craic in Glasgow - wish I could be there.

by mankiaow Sun 15 Jan 2012, 11:51 am

I don't think anyone has an easy time when they go to Scotland these days. They were possibly guilty of underestimating the challenge in the past, especially against Edinburgh. But I think Leinster are far better prepared for these games now and have the ability to dog it out, if necessary - the likelihood of a mugging is not as high as it used to be.

by PJHolybloke Sun 15 Jan 2012, 11:54 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Gibson wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

+1
Nah, PJ, yer senility is kicking in bad today! Glasgow were unlucky to draw down in Montpellier, whereas Leinster scraped their draw and Bath lost. That's the true indication of these teams

Something's kicked in today allright, a screaming hangover. Bath scored more tries in Montpelier than Glasgow and Leinster between them, Bath are getting sexy again Asbo - it's only right and proper that they should do so in the final stages of the Amlin..... No offence or owt. Glasgow Warriors vs Leinster - game 5, pool 3, Heino - Page 2 3610695981

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by **George Carlin** Sun 15 Jan 2012, 11:59 am

PJHolybloke wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Gibson wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

+1
Nah, PJ, yer senility is kicking in bad today! Glasgow were unlucky to draw down in Montpellier, whereas Leinster scraped their draw and Bath lost. That's the true indication of these teams

Something's kicked in today allright, a screaming hangover. Bath scored more tries in Montpelier than Glasgow and Leinster between them, Bath are getting sexy again Asbo - it's only right and proper that they should do so in the final stages of the Amlin..... No offence or owt.

PJ - are you really suggesting that our pockmarked, 4 foot tall, bullet headed, pale blue Scottish Mr Weir is not sexy?

Cari will tell you that he's no Tommy Bowe, but then again, who is?

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sun 15 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm

Hey all,

I am in an internet cafe in Saigon at the moment and Sky Player isn't working for me any body got a link to the game I could use?

Would be much appreciated!

by Cari Sun 15 Jan 2012, 12:56 pm

You're welcome Pete thumbsup

George - leave me and Tommy outta this! raspberry

by Red Right Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:11 pm

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Hey all,

I am in an internet cafe in Saigon at the moment and Sky Player isn't working for me any body got a link to the game I could use?

Would be much appreciated!

My SS2 is acting up so link would be appreciated here too. thx.

by alive555 Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:16 pm

me pls send me a link

by mankiaow Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:20 pm

Redden has developed TOL's desease. Box kicking possession away 3 times.

Smoke coming out my ears. He needs a serious slap from one of his forwards.

What is it with these scrum-halves?

by Cari Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:27 pm

Red & Alive - check your PM inboxes Smile

by bedfordwelsh Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:32 pm

Only got link up for last 10 minutes but looks good close game. Pity Galsgow couldn't have gone in with the lead but Leinster were pressuring a lot.

by PJHolybloke Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:32 pm

George Carlin wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Gibson wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:Well, it looks like the same Leinster team that played at the Rec, and, thanks to some poor Leinster decision making, that game was a lot closer than it should have been.

It's possible that Glasgow could beat Leinster, but not very probable. Glasgow nicked their home game against Bath with a fortunate last minute bounce of the egg, Bath just lost out to Montpelier today with another last minute score going against them.

I suspect Leinster will beat Glasgow tomorrow by a margin of 10-18, and Bath will do the same next week at The Rec, with Montpelier away at Lansdowne, Bath should fancy their chances of making the Amlin and I would say that would be a fair reflection of the three teams playing second, third and fourth fiddle to The Boys in Blue.

+1
Nah, PJ, yer senility is kicking in bad today! Glasgow were unlucky to draw down in Montpellier, whereas Leinster scraped their draw and Bath lost. That's the true indication of these teams

Something's kicked in today allright, a screaming hangover. Bath scored more tries in Montpelier than Glasgow and Leinster between them, Bath are getting sexy again Asbo - it's only right and proper that they should do so in the final stages of the Amlin..... No offence or owt.
PJ - are you really suggesting that our pockmarked, 4 foot tall, bullet headed, pale blue Scottish Mr Weir is not sexy?

Cari will tell you that he's no Tommy Bowe, but then again, who is?

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We're all beautiful in our own way George, wee Duncan just hides his better than others.

by **Notch** Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:32 pm

This game was made for Isaac Boss.

by Gibson Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:41 pm

Pete de Buachaill. Chech your INBOX - PM.

by dublin_dave Sun 15 Jan 2012, 1:43 pm

very poor first half need a right kick up the arse at half time. cronin is better with ball in hand then darcy says it all. darcy always takes the ball static. maddening.

half backs must improve to win this.

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