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Post by Driver Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:05 pm

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:59 pm

Draft rules for next season (to give everyone an early heads up).....


Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be 22 years old or under as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


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Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in rela life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

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There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

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There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then one point added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

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When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1m for descriptive prediction
£0.5m for scores on the doors predictions

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:10 pm

Seem good to me!
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:13 pm

If there are any situations that people can see arising that are not covered in the rules then please let me know now so that we can work out how to deal with them and get something in place.
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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:17 pm

Wait i'v got one minor issue , Think the unlimited transfers might favor the winners from this season a bit more? In the sense that they will have more cash?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:22 pm

40 squad limit is too low.

I think a vote would be needed to do such a drastic cut from 55 to 40. 45-50 is more reasonable or put the academy age up.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:26 pm

The academy age limit has been raised Pooly. OK
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:26 pm

And cutting to 45-50 would have no real effect on levelling up the playing field which is the intention of the cut.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:32 pm

I'm not happy with the cut to 40, if there was a WC next season I wouldn't be able to put a team out.

Not a goer that one, too much to cut nearly a third of a squad. Teams in real life generally have a bigger squad than that and not all Ints like we do.

Vote for squad sizes but rest is good

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:36 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Morning All

Am working on the rules for next season. To let people know early on, I want to bring this game back to being as realistic as possible and I feel that at present it is pretty much a world league and there are teams (mine included) who can lose 20-25 players during the international windows and still put out a fully capped starting XV which means that the league is now split between those who can and those who can't and doesn't really give those who can't much chance.

As seen with the likes of Leicester and Northampton in real life this season, that just does not happen, so as a result I am cutting the maximum squad size drastically, although with the new academy rules and the upping of the age limit for senior academy players you will still have a large pool of players to choose from, you may just have to reshuffle a bit.

What it means is that managers will have to release some players, and you will be compensated for them at the usual rate. None of the changes to the rules will come into force until this season has finished, and at that point I will set a date giving everyone time to get their squads in order. My aim with the alteration of the rules is pretty straightforward, to bring the game a bit more back to reality and to give those with slightly lesser squads to opportunity to comepte on an even footing.

Draft rules for next season to follow shortly.
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Squads are being cut Pooly, it will have the same effect for the likes of me and Mat at the top as it will for you, but the game as it stands is unrelaistic and there is little realistic chance for half the teams to win the league, which is unfair on those managers.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:44 pm

Squads are generally larger in real life and less Ints than we have.

If there was a world cup next season teams would struggle to get a match day out.

I understand your sentiments but such a change should have a vote, this is not a dictatorship where one person takes over and decides he's going to massivley transform things. You theory could be flawed and it could spoil a very good league.

A vote is the sensible thing to do. If the concencous is 40 I will happily go with it.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:03 pm

All sounds good Pete - one bit is the unlimited transfer for foreigns, which I guess is negated by the 40 player rule etc, but just really want to even things up a bit for the two bottom clubs in terms of letting them get their squads strengthened, so that they arent outbid by other better players.

Maybe it could be done by at the end of the season each player being able to draft someone into their squad for free starting from bottom team choosing upwards - that way in theory the bottom team would get the best player and best chance of improving themselves?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:16 pm

Am I right in understanding that say I have a gem of an 18 yo in my academy and if I definately don't want to run the risk of him leaving Quins IRL then I should put him in my Senior academy?

I like the look of the rules. I think the unlimited Foreigns during summer could bring some value to cash and might make sure people put in proper predos for the rest of the season!

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:16 pm

In all honesty I struggled during the WC for lack of players. The thing that hampers the bottom clubs most is the quality of their English players in my opinion.


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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:24 pm

anonmattyt wrote:In all honesty I struggled during the WC for lack of players. The thing that hampers the bottom clubs most is the quality of their English players in my opinion.


Exactly Matt , I have Danahar and Skirving vying for the 6 shirt where at Newcastle behind Juan Smith there is Chris Robshaw who is far better than my two.
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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:27 pm

I struggled during WC too, I guess if next year was to be WC year then it could be a problem, but in all likely hood will this game go on until 2015?

I do think some changes are needed to make everything competitive, but at the same time also take into account how different people have played the game e.g. getting young players, getting WC players.

I guess the best way of looking at it is that in theory the best teams in this league will still have the best teams with the rule changes, but the rest of the league will become more competitive during AI's, 6Nations, Rugby Championship etc.

Some good suggestions Pete - very hard to please all.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:29 pm

I do think that there should be a fair compensation for people letting good players go though rather than the couple of mil they currently get. Perhaps if a side release 3 'current internationals' at 10 mil a piece then any after that are 2 mil each or the current release price at that time.

Some of the sides at the top have done it by managing well rather than taking advantage of rules in there favour in previous seasons. I like the 40 players per squad thing though

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:34 pm

A vote is the sensible option, 40 squad limit is too harsh a cut that will effect all sides.

Chris is a good example, he's took a hit this year imo as he's generally bought young potential players. He may have to release these players to compete next season.

Does he release JDV and hope Fofana comes good or stick with JDV and lose a potential star (rough example)

I agree with Matt that the issue lies more with the quality of English.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:37 pm

One more suggestion.

No EQ requirement in HC games. Livens it up a bit and I think it could work well. Perhaps lower EQ requirements if not none at all.

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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:48 pm

Anybody who wants to watch England U20s tonight it is being streamed live on the RFU website

http://www.rfu.com/rbssixnations/Live%20Streaming.aspx
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:49 pm

What times kick off? deciding whether to stream that or the saxons

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:49 pm

Why not have English players in a match day squad at 8, but you have to have 'x' number of players who are in senior academy in the squad too - that would get rid of the problem associated with EQ rule, as I think I've got quite a few of the top English talent, so see it being a bit unfair on those who don't have England players - Driver made a good example earlier.

Maybe 8 EQ with 4 senior academy players in a match day 23 (though could get a bit complex if your youngsters are EQ too).

Happy to go with the majority - just really like to see things get evened up a bit as see how much effort Driver and Prop put into the game, so must be a bit disheartening to not get as many wins as they deserve.

Initiallly the 40 squad rule looks like it would do me huge favours, but when my academy all hit 22 then I get stuck massively with the problem of which intenrational do I kick out of my team to accommodate a youngster who might not make it - would happen in about 2 seasons I think. But do think squad cuts is the best way of evening it all up.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:49 pm

7.30 Steven

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:53 pm

45 would be a perfect number imo

I'd need to release current Ints to get to this number as would most I reckon. Maybe do a draft of released players

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:06 pm

I think I'm on about 53 players at the moment, four are on loan, so would mean I'd need to get rid of 9 players to get to 40 and a few more if I wanted to bring in new players - so would probably look at offloading the following and shake up my academy a bit. But would know who to release above that - maybe squad size of somewhere between 40-45 is a compromise and to stop things turning into any form of argument? Also allow people to plan ahead now for the changes.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:14 pm

45 in theory is 3 per position, which is about right.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:16 pm

at same time see what Pete means about the academy as technically you could find 15 internationals under 22 to be in your squad - so with a squad of 40 plus another 15 good youngsters you have 55 players to pick from.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:21 pm

Lads we will get this all worked out we are all a good bunch on here now (pooly occasionally Very Happy ) so happy to go with majority,.

Gloucester will always be fortunate as we produce so many players like may, Trinder, Lewis, Mills, Robson, Burns etc so 40 or 45 does not impact me.

Other teams who have academies who are not as fruitful such as Saracens or exeter may struggle although both those clubs are improving massively in their youth set ups

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:26 pm

Who has 15 full Ints under 21?!?! I have one lol

I think 45 would be a very happy medium jut to keep a bit of depth but also allowing teams to pick up some players from other clubs. Maybe in the release list we need to put 3 English (with 50+ prem starts??) to allow other teams to pick up some decen t English players.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:48 pm

Eng u20s are freaking awesome - 3 tries within 18mins...

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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:50 pm

Drool
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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:52 pm

BP after 21 minutes - some sublime rugby being played at the moment.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:53 pm

RFU Wensite keeps crashing so cant watch it

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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:54 pm

Mine keeps freezing Wales vs Ireland is on BBC2 Wales
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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:55 pm

Mat - you have to refresh it 5-10 times at the start and then you get a decent stream - mine didnt work at all at the beginning, but now perfect stream.

You were right about Mills in the 12 shirt - top player.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:55 pm

watch out for young ian clarke on the wing for gloucester tomorrow nick. He is murdering the a league and is a big prospect apparently

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:56 pm

have it working now cheers chris

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:56 pm

THink Yarde got a hattrick already! Missed first two tries.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:00 pm

Nick/Pete how high to you rate Yarde? I didnt think he was that good last year, but looks like he's come on a lot recently.

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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:07 pm

Hope the Refs ok
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:21 pm

TO be FAir that Jock outfit is dreadful. Yarde just scored again and took it well. he always looks good when i see him

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:21 pm

Freddie burns brother Billy is on the bench for gloucester tomorrow

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:28 pm

The speed that England play at impresses me though - I just hope we can turn some of these players into top internationals, we've already got Farrell from last year in full EPS - would imagine Launchbury, Thomas will soon join him.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Anyone know the Saxons score?

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:47 pm

George Ford take a bow - what a great pass there, got a star in the making there.

London Irish have got some talent coming through.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:58 pm

Could they get to 65 points?

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:00 pm

Just heard Scotland A are beating Saxons 29-0...

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Post by Driver Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:03 pm

33-0
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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:03 pm

35-0 crap.

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Post by Guest Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:06 pm

THat is staggering. WE had a good side out. where are you getting this info.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:07 pm

Just announced it on the u20 game

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