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Scotland Team for Saturday
First topic message reminder :
Not the U20s this time!
R Lamont Jones De Luca S Lamont Evans Parks Cusiter Jacobsen Ford Murray Gray Hamilton Strokosch Rennie Denton
Subs S Lawson Cross Kellock Barclay Blair Laidlaw Morrison
Evans is playing!
Not the U20s this time!
R Lamont Jones De Luca S Lamont Evans Parks Cusiter Jacobsen Ford Murray Gray Hamilton Strokosch Rennie Denton
Subs S Lawson Cross Kellock Barclay Blair Laidlaw Morrison
Evans is playing!
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Maybe Desperate will have a brush with the law on Friday night and spare our blushes - its happened before after all. Seems to be the downfall of a good few of the English players recently.
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TJ wrote:Todd Blackadder is my choice for scotland coach
Hands off! Him and Robbie Deans will be running the AB's in a couple of years after Hansen's stumbled 2 years in a row against a resurgent South Africa.
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Teh idea is he can do see us thru the next WC then he is yours for the rest of his career
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Laughable chat from Robbo at yesterday's press conference about Parks having the skill set to vary the gameplan - does he take us all for fools?!
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I'm so f-ing depressed over this. A near perfect team but the main flaw is probably the most important.
The SRU have turned the corner and are now making things happen - AR has remained stagnant with his selection of probably one of the worst No 10's in NH rugby at the moment.
This is unforgiveable and Robinson has to go after this tournamant for a complete lack of vision and reluctance to take Scotland to another level.
We'll probably still win but it doesn't matter anymore. Final straw in my book and the SRU should bring someone in who will change the way we play and raise us to the standard of the other home nations.
Laidlaw, Hogg et al will be justifiably pi$$ed right off with this. What sort of message does this send out when that tw@t Parks, who is utter shoite by the way (in case you wondered what I thought of him) is picked over players playing a trillion times better.
Lights off when you leave Andy please.
p.s.
Good luck Scotland!
The SRU have turned the corner and are now making things happen - AR has remained stagnant with his selection of probably one of the worst No 10's in NH rugby at the moment.
This is unforgiveable and Robinson has to go after this tournamant for a complete lack of vision and reluctance to take Scotland to another level.
We'll probably still win but it doesn't matter anymore. Final straw in my book and the SRU should bring someone in who will change the way we play and raise us to the standard of the other home nations.
Laidlaw, Hogg et al will be justifiably pi$$ed right off with this. What sort of message does this send out when that tw@t Parks, who is utter shoite by the way (in case you wondered what I thought of him) is picked over players playing a trillion times better.
Lights off when you leave Andy please.
p.s.
Good luck Scotland!
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We'll probably still win but it doesn't matter anymore
I salute your confidence good sir...
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Cheers Geordie
Our problem stems with two human beings.
A few more than that in the England camp I'd say (at the moment).
Good luck for the game my friend
Our problem stems with two human beings.
A few more than that in the England camp I'd say (at the moment).
Good luck for the game my friend
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Yeah it will be quite interesting to watch....
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NeilyBroon wrote:true but I feel parks had an absolute stormer in 2010
he may have done but we still came 2nd last not scoreing enough tries. Even at his best he is a liability
AR is the worst coach we have ever had - his results in the 6 Nations the worst we have ever had - the World cup - the worst
Time for him to go
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Riskysports wrote:
he may have done but we still came 2nd last not scoreing enough tries. Even at his best he is a liability
AR is the worst coach we have ever had - his results in the 6 Nations the worst we have ever had - the World cup - the worst
Time for him to go
Never thought about it like that before. I always just hear how close we are, etc and to be honest have kind of accepted it.
His selection of Parks for this Saturday is the straw that has broken the camels back. Regardless of the result Robinson has now outsyated his welcome.
I have said it many times, how can AR have been at Murrayfield, and seen what Laidlaw and Blair did to London Irish and still pick Parks?
Funny how the media are not making as big a scene about Park's selection as I was hoping.
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You also have to remember the only reason the other young players are selected if due to his favourites being injured - no other reason
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Have you read David Ferguson's article in the hootsman?
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby/club-rugby/david_ferguson_dan_parks_trusted_to_control_game_in_the_right_areas_1_2088846
Firstly what do you think Laidlaw has been doing at Edinburgh against the likes of London Irish, RM, and Cardiff Blues in the HC. When Edinburgh played the blues, in both legs of the match I would say Laidlaw out played his opposite number.... what was his name again?
And all coaches would pick Parks ahead of Laidlaw? No coincedence Italy have scored more tries in the 6N than us then
I especially like the bit in bold, Coaches Like players doing what they ask. So Parks is a "Yes" man for Toonie, an attacking coach who thinks scoring tries isn't important?
Sorry Robbo, not enough. I have spent the best part of 300 quid and to be honest I'm not really up for a bore fest.
I Don't beleive for one minute Robbo won't ask for the variation in the attack, wether or not he gets it is another matter. He's kidding himself if he thinks Parks will play an expansive game. I'll look on the bright side, Lee Jones should come back to Edinburgh uninjured since he'll see hee haw of the ball.
Then he must go! Don't let the door hit you on the ar*e on the way out!
I did not pay nearly 300 quid to watch that! Furthermore why would you use the game against England in New Zealand as an example of how to beat England?
WE LOST
ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby/club-rugby/david_ferguson_dan_parks_trusted_to_control_game_in_the_right_areas_1_2088846
SCOTLAND coach Andy Robinson will be accused of taking the conservative option in selecting Dan Parks instead of either Greig Laidlaw or Duncan Weir to steer Scotland into the RBS Six Nations Championship on Saturday.
However, it is all about control. Robinson insisted that Laidlaw had pushed himself closer to selection with his Heineken Cup performances for Edinburgh – and so will come off the bench – but there remain doubts as to whether the new stand-off has the kicking game to control a faster, more intense and physical match against a better defence in the pressure of a Calcutta Cup. Yet.
In trying to understand Robinson’s thinking, I spoke with three coaches involved with Scotland over the past decade and, intriguingly, all spoke of how impressed they had been by Laidlaw, how they liked the look of Duncan Weir coming through and yet how they would each select Parks for this first game due to his experience and control. Coaches like players doing what they ask and knowing that they can.
Firstly what do you think Laidlaw has been doing at Edinburgh against the likes of London Irish, RM, and Cardiff Blues in the HC. When Edinburgh played the blues, in both legs of the match I would say Laidlaw out played his opposite number.... what was his name again?
And all coaches would pick Parks ahead of Laidlaw? No coincedence Italy have scored more tries in the 6N than us then
I especially like the bit in bold, Coaches Like players doing what they ask. So Parks is a "Yes" man for Toonie, an attacking coach who thinks scoring tries isn't important?
All and sundry know that Parks does not attack the line and threaten in the same way as Laidlaw, or Weir is beginning to, but we have also witnessed Parks exerting pressure on Test-match defences with his boot, kick Scotland into the opposition 22 with pinpoint accuracy and push the scoreboard with penalties and drop-goals.
Sorry Robbo, not enough. I have spent the best part of 300 quid and to be honest I'm not really up for a bore fest.
Robinson will, however, ask Parks to vary the attack and ask questions of England from hand and foot. He said: “You think of the way we played against Wales two years ago when everyone said we were going to kick the ball, or when Glasgow played against Toulouse, ran Toulouse off the field and won the game out there. Dan was the fly-half on both occasions.
I Don't beleive for one minute Robbo won't ask for the variation in the attack, wether or not he gets it is another matter. He's kidding himself if he thinks Parks will play an expansive game. I'll look on the bright side, Lee Jones should come back to Edinburgh uninjured since he'll see hee haw of the ball.
“We’ve got to balance our game in the way that we play. That’s the key for us; to be able to play in different ways, from the carrying of the forwards to that of Sean Lamont and Nick De Luca, to the quick feet of Max [Evans] and Lee Jones. We have to have a balance and Dan will lead that.”
Ruaridh Jackson has become Robinson’s first-choice fly-half, but the hamstring injury from the last England match has ruled him out of the opening two games. In accumulating 66 caps – he is the most-capped Scot starting – Parks has learned what his strengths and weaknesses are, and what he can and cannot get away with in the white-hot atmosphere and mind-numbing pace of a Six Nations match. He understands Scotland’s players and game-plan and Robinson, dealing in percentages, believes Scotland have more chance to beat England with that knowledge than with an on-form, but untried Test performer.
Then he must go! Don't let the door hit you on the ar*e on the way out!
Pinpointing how Scotland would win on Saturday, Parks revealed that knowledge, saying: “Looking at the successes we’ve had in recent times, it’s about being able to play in the right areas of the pitch. It’s also about accumulating points, getting points on the board and staying in front.
“We did that in New Zealand [against England] and for large parts of that game we played I believe a good brand of rugby and did some exciting things, and that’s the key for me: to get into a winning position and keep pushing that forward.
“We don’t want to get into a position where we have to chase the game, but want to be in a position where we’re in control of the match and hopefully the home crowd will help us with that.”
I did not pay nearly 300 quid to watch that! Furthermore why would you use the game against England in New Zealand as an example of how to beat England?
WE LOST
ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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Firstly, Radge, +1RuggerRadge2611 wrote:ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!Robinson will, however, ask Parks to vary the attack and ask questions of England from hand and foot. He said: “You think of the way we played against Wales two years ago when everyone said we were going to kick the ball, or when Glasgow played against Toulouse, ran Toulouse off the field and won the game out there. Dan was the fly-half on both occasions.
I am embarrassed and insulted that Robinson thinks that references to 2 matches that were 2 years ago justifies a SHOCKING selection. This player (and I'm not blaming Parks for his lack of an all-round game, he can only do what he can) hasn't played like this once since, either for club or country - AR's time has come and gone, thanks for all your efforts, now, cheeri-bye
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The only thing we can hope for guys is that Parks plays utter mince and AR has no choice but to drag him off before half time.
Laidlaw will then have to seize his chance and play like he does for Edinburgh.
It's about giving Robinson absolutely no choice whatsover in that he has to play Laidlaw at 10.
RR - feel for you mate....£300 spent, pi$$ed off already and there's still three days left to go!
At least for the Wales game, I'm in a corporate box with free food, drink and tickets so the cost isn't an issue. Being stuck with 15 Welshman while we get fudded off the pitch is however......
Aslong - did you say you're up in Cardiff on the Sat or Sun?
Laidlaw will then have to seize his chance and play like he does for Edinburgh.
It's about giving Robinson absolutely no choice whatsover in that he has to play Laidlaw at 10.
RR - feel for you mate....£300 spent, pi$$ed off already and there's still three days left to go!
At least for the Wales game, I'm in a corporate box with free food, drink and tickets so the cost isn't an issue. Being stuck with 15 Welshman while we get fudded off the pitch is however......
Aslong - did you say you're up in Cardiff on the Sat or Sun?
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Up on the Sun, mate, around 1pm - see you then
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Not the team the Independent said had been selected. For some reason, they gave you Scott Andrews, Huw Bennett, Gethin Jenkins and others as 1-6. I think they got confused, with an Evans and a Jones in the team.
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As much as I think Laidlaw should be starting, I think we should cool our expectations of him should he come on.
Yes he has been superb for Edinburgh but this will be only his 2nd or 3rd cap (no starts), his first international game at 10 and probably only his 7th or 8th game as a professional playing 10!
He has been superb for Edinburgh but I don't think people should expect him to be a world beater if he comes off the bench and we are 10 points down and need him to turn the game.
If he was to start I would be happy if he kicked his goals and passed and kicked well to touch, as well as bringing players into the game. I wouldn't expect miracles off him put it that way, so as much as I agree with what has been said on here, there is a lot of expectation on theses boards about how he will perform!
Yes he has been superb for Edinburgh but this will be only his 2nd or 3rd cap (no starts), his first international game at 10 and probably only his 7th or 8th game as a professional playing 10!
He has been superb for Edinburgh but I don't think people should expect him to be a world beater if he comes off the bench and we are 10 points down and need him to turn the game.
If he was to start I would be happy if he kicked his goals and passed and kicked well to touch, as well as bringing players into the game. I wouldn't expect miracles off him put it that way, so as much as I agree with what has been said on here, there is a lot of expectation on theses boards about how he will perform!
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RDW_Scotland wrote:As much as I think Laidlaw should be starting, I think we should cool our expectations of him should he come on.
Yes he has been superb for Edinburgh but this will be only his 2nd or 3rd cap (no starts), his first international game at 10 and probably only his 7th or 8th game as a professional playing 10!
He has been superb for Edinburgh but I don't think people should expect him to be a world beater if he comes off the bench and we are 10 points down and need him to turn the game.
If he was to start I would be happy if he kicked his goals and passed and kicked well to touch, as well as bringing players into the game. I wouldn't expect miracles off him put it that way, so as much as I agree with what has been said on here, there is a lot of expectation on theses boards about how he will perform!
Noone is expecting miracles mate. We all would expect him to play a better and more complete game than Parks though wouldn't we?
Problem is we all know what we are going to get from Parks on Saturday.
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The justifications for picking Parks that have been given make the selection more frustrating.
I wish AR had just said "look, it's my neck on the line and I'm making a judgement call. Nothing to do with form or ability, I just think our best chance of beating England, which is what I'm paid to achieve, is to kick the leather off the ball. Feel free to disagree, and if Scotland don't win, I'll put my hands up and take the heat".
Had he said that at least I could stomach it better. Trying to pretend that Parks plays an exciting and varied brand of rugby on the other hand is beyond a joke, and insulting to the Scottish rugby public.
I wish AR had just said "look, it's my neck on the line and I'm making a judgement call. Nothing to do with form or ability, I just think our best chance of beating England, which is what I'm paid to achieve, is to kick the leather off the ball. Feel free to disagree, and if Scotland don't win, I'll put my hands up and take the heat".
Had he said that at least I could stomach it better. Trying to pretend that Parks plays an exciting and varied brand of rugby on the other hand is beyond a joke, and insulting to the Scottish rugby public.
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RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:As much as I think Laidlaw should be starting, I think we should cool our expectations of him should he come on.
Yes he has been superb for Edinburgh but this will be only his 2nd or 3rd cap (no starts), his first international game at 10 and probably only his 7th or 8th game as a professional playing 10!
He has been superb for Edinburgh but I don't think people should expect him to be a world beater if he comes off the bench and we are 10 points down and need him to turn the game.
If he was to start I would be happy if he kicked his goals and passed and kicked well to touch, as well as bringing players into the game. I wouldn't expect miracles off him put it that way, so as much as I agree with what has been said on here, there is a lot of expectation on theses boards about how he will perform!
Noone is expecting miracles mate. We all would expect him to play a better and more complete game than Parks though wouldn't we?
Problem is we all know what we are going to get from Parks on Saturday.
No your problem is that every man and his dog knows what Parks is going to do. The difficulty for Scotland is that the gameplan is predictable. The team selection is predictable too. In contrast they are up against a new look England side.
Scotland have experience and grunt on their side. They need to make it worthwhile. Use the big forwards to trundle forward, punching holes. Rolling mauls and big carries. The backrow battle will be key. The Scottish backrow need to pressurise Hodgson and the rest of the England backline.
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funnyExiledScot wrote:The justifications for picking Parks that have been given make the selection more frustrating.
I wish AR had just said "look, it's my neck on the line and I'm making a judgement call. Nothing to do with form or ability, I just think our best chance of beating England, which is what I'm paid to achieve, is to kick the leather off the ball. Feel free to disagree, and if Scotland don't win, I'll put my hands up and take the heat".
Had he said that at least I could stomach it better. Trying to pretend that Parks plays an exciting and varied brand of rugby on the other hand is beyond a joke, and insulting to the Scottish rugby public.
+1
A bit of honesty would make it easier to swallow. I don't know what worries me more though, the fact he might actually belive what he is saying or he thinks the only way we can beat England is to play that sort of game.
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Riskysports wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:true but I feel parks had an absolute stormer in 2010
he may have done but we still came 2nd last not scoreing enough tries. Even at his best he is a liability
AR is the worst coach we have ever had - his results in the 6 Nations the worst we have ever had - the World cup - the worst
Time for him to go
if you read the rest I go on to say why it didn't matter that he did lol
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NeilyBroon wrote:Riskysports wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:true but I feel parks had an absolute stormer in 2010
he may have done but we still came 2nd last not scoreing enough tries. Even at his best he is a liability
AR is the worst coach we have ever had - his results in the 6 Nations the worst we have ever had - the World cup - the worst
Time for him to go
if you read the rest I go on to say why it didn't matter that he did lol
Red Mist and I lost the ability to see - In fact I think it is called Parkyitis
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The absolutely key, critical, indefensible point is that Parks has not even been playing well for the Blues. An old school favourites pick and a really ugly one. Given that all of the others are form selection, this sticks out like a banana in a bunch of grapes.
The only silver lining is that Blair and Laidlaw are on the bench and hopefully will see at least half an hour if we have (i) pulled ahead by then or (ii) are getting hammered and AR reasons that he has nothing to lose.
The only silver lining is that Blair and Laidlaw are on the bench and hopefully will see at least half an hour if we have (i) pulled ahead by then or (ii) are getting hammered and AR reasons that he has nothing to lose.
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Would you like someone to sit with you?adambarney wrote:scotland selection is so negative no pace either and parks at 10 is a laugh england got 10 at u18 better then him scotland are getting hammered
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I completely empathise with the frustration of most Scottish fans on here I must say. It's little consolation to say that it's probably the best way to beat England in this match. If Scotland play fast and loose, more in the Edinburgh mould then I feel we'll run riot.
Despite the general, and indeed justified downer on English rugby prospects at the moment, England will field some of the best backs and half backs in a number of seasons.
Ben Foden would be most people's choice to have in their own nation's teams, Chris Ashton has the ability of a truly deadly finisher, David Strettle is similarly accomplished, Charlie Hodgson is the best attacking fly half in the country and Ben Youngs has a similarly deep well of talent! The centre pairing is new, but Barritt is an excellent defensive 12 with Farrell more of the unknown.
There would be much for England to relish in an open game.
Despite the general, and indeed justified downer on English rugby prospects at the moment, England will field some of the best backs and half backs in a number of seasons.
Ben Foden would be most people's choice to have in their own nation's teams, Chris Ashton has the ability of a truly deadly finisher, David Strettle is similarly accomplished, Charlie Hodgson is the best attacking fly half in the country and Ben Youngs has a similarly deep well of talent! The centre pairing is new, but Barritt is an excellent defensive 12 with Farrell more of the unknown.
There would be much for England to relish in an open game.
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What AR has done is add fuel to an already raging inferno by spinning the selection of Parks in completely the wrong light. As FES has said above, it's bordering on insulting to suggest that DP has been chosen because of his 'all round skill set'!
This reminds me, in its utterly frustrating way, of post match interviews (often in relation to Scotland or Italy) given by a one Mr S Borthwick. The lines, from memory, were "I think the boys played really well out there" "It was a tough game, but {insert opponent} are a quality side" "We performed really well and can take a lot from that performance" etc...
This reminds me, in its utterly frustrating way, of post match interviews (often in relation to Scotland or Italy) given by a one Mr S Borthwick. The lines, from memory, were "I think the boys played really well out there" "It was a tough game, but {insert opponent} are a quality side" "We performed really well and can take a lot from that performance" etc...
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Chjw131 wrote:I completely empathise with the frustration of most Scottish fans on here I must say. It's little consolation to say that it's probably the best way to beat England in this match. If Scotland play fast and loose, more in the Edinburgh mould then I feel we'll run riot.
Despite the general, and indeed justified downer on English rugby prospects at the moment, England will field some of the best backs and half backs in a number of seasons.
Ben Foden would be most people's choice to have in their own nation's teams, Chris Ashton has the ability of a truly deadly finisher, David Strettle is similarly accomplished, Charlie Hodgson is the best attacking fly half in the country and Ben Youngs has a similarly deep well of talent! The centre pairing is new, but Barritt is an excellent defensive 12 with Farrell more of the unknown.
There would be much for England to relish in an open game.
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RDW_Scotland wrote:Chjw131 wrote:I completely empathise with the frustration of most Scottish fans on here I must say. It's little consolation to say that it's probably the best way to beat England in this match. If Scotland play fast and loose, more in the Edinburgh mould then I feel we'll run riot.
Despite the general, and indeed justified downer on English rugby prospects at the moment, England will field some of the best backs and half backs in a number of seasons.
Ben Foden would be most people's choice to have in their own nation's teams, Chris Ashton has the ability of a truly deadly finisher, David Strettle is similarly accomplished, Charlie Hodgson is the best attacking fly half in the country and Ben Youngs has a similarly deep well of talent! The centre pairing is new, but Barritt is an excellent defensive 12 with Farrell more of the unknown.
There would be much for England to relish in an open game.
Well, at Sale at Club level he was a great distributor of the ball and playmaker. He doesn't necessarily get to show that all the time at Sarries, and his deficiencies have always been his clutch kicking, decision making under pressure and defense, not his attacking instincts and abilities. Apparently he has improved the latter two problems, but we'll see on saturday
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RDW_Scotland, the fact that you think that statement is a joke is in istself laughable. If you don't think that CH is one of the best passers/attacker of the gain line/attacking visionary then obviously you don't watch him much.
Chequered, his defficiencies have indeed been defence and he can falter under pressure sometimes. But his defence is nothing like the issue people have made out. Indeed some appear to have been indoctrinated into this way of think by that unholy c.... that is Rob Andrew!
Chequered, his defficiencies have indeed been defence and he can falter under pressure sometimes. But his defence is nothing like the issue people have made out. Indeed some appear to have been indoctrinated into this way of think by that unholy c.... that is Rob Andrew!
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Chjw131 wrote:RDW_Scotland, the fact that you think that statement is a joke is in istself laughable. If you don't think that CH is one of the best passers/attacker of the gain line/attacking visionary then obviously you don't watch him much.
Chequered, his defficiencies have indeed been defence and he can falter under pressure sometimes. But his defence is nothing like the issue people have made out. Indeed some appear to have been indoctrinated into this way of think by that unholy c.... that is Rob Andrew!
Yeah plus he seems to be doing ok in saracens' defensive line and that's what he's playing with this weekend
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Robinson's selection for this game veers one way then another. If we are going for crash bang wallop then why not play Morrison with Cusiter and Parks and keep Jones on the bench(or Hogg but that is another debate) and SLamont at 14 or 11. He has fudged this along, I have no doubt, with that other King sized gnob Townsend, by keeping Morrison on the bench to inexplicably use with Laidlaw on 60 mins. - as per his usual tactical strategy. AR is a Bath bell end !
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
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Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Riskysports wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:true but I feel parks had an absolute stormer in 2010
he may have done but we still came 2nd last not scoreing enough tries. Even at his best he is a liability
AR is the worst coach we have ever had - his results in the 6 Nations the worst we have ever had - the World cup - the worst
Time for him to go
Matt Williams - A far worse record than AR, I'm pinning my hopes on Robinson sheltering the better fly-halves from the England match and we'll see them a little later on.
123456789- Posts : 1841
Join date : 2011-11-13
Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Teh issue for me is that by playing parks we are playing to 'englnds strengths - kicking to the back 3 for them to counter and very good they are at it as well - what we should be doing is like Edinburgh varying the game and using short passes coming inside to attack the FH. inside centre where England are weak and to hofd the drift defence mixed up with quick hands to the outside with one winger given a free role like Shane Williams or Tim Visser does.
Instead we are going to kick to the the english strike runners.
I am just so dissapopinted. we have the ost exciting backs I have seen in decades of supporting scotland and they are not going to get a game
Instead we are going to kick to the the english strike runners.
I am just so dissapopinted. we have the ost exciting backs I have seen in decades of supporting scotland and they are not going to get a game
TJ1- Posts : 2666
Join date : 2011-08-06
Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
TJ tend to concur. Despite the fact I am not now going to the game because I spat my dummy out when Parks was picked (see earlier posts). I don't think that side has backs to play the Edinburgh way. Need a Scott or King at 12 not a Schlong or Gdog.
justified sinner- Posts : 1042
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Chjw131 wrote:RDW_Scotland, the fact that you think that statement is a joke is in istself laughable. If you don't think that CH is one of the best passers/attacker of the gain line/attacking visionary then obviously you don't watch him much.
Chequered, his defficiencies have indeed been defence and he can falter under pressure sometimes. But his defence is nothing like the issue people have made out. Indeed some appear to have been indoctrinated into this way of think by that unholy c.... that is Rob Andrew!
I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that I'd be very surprised if the majority of England fans classed him as the best attacking stand off in England!
RDW- Founder
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Imagine this......
AR subs Laidlaw for Cussiter and Morrison for S Lamont.
Our pack will be busy on Saturday as the tactics will be to keep it up front and play a dull pick and drive game ensuring the English backs see no ball.
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AR subs Laidlaw for Cussiter and Morrison for S Lamont.
Our pack will be busy on Saturday as the tactics will be to keep it up front and play a dull pick and drive game ensuring the English backs see no ball.
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Tattie Scones RRN- Posts : 1803
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
RDW_Scotland wrote:Chjw131 wrote:RDW_Scotland, the fact that you think that statement is a joke is in istself laughable. If you don't think that CH is one of the best passers/attacker of the gain line/attacking visionary then obviously you don't watch him much.
Chequered, his defficiencies have indeed been defence and he can falter under pressure sometimes. But his defence is nothing like the issue people have made out. Indeed some appear to have been indoctrinated into this way of think by that unholy c.... that is Rob Andrew!
I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that I'd be very surprised if the majority of England fans classed him as the best attacking stand off in England!
Unfortunately the best stand off in England has New Zealand caps and is therefore unavailable for the English team
ChequeredJersey- Posts : 18707
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Location : London, UK
Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Scotland's secret weapons - just to confuddle us all, Robinson has decided to employ a new kicker (Richie Gray) and a new front-jumper in the lineout (Chris Cusiter) - should fool those dastardly English
PS great news that we've also found something that Morrison is useful at
PS great news that we've also found something that Morrison is useful at
AsLongAsBut100ofUs- Posts : 14129
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Starting to think ASBO has had his account hacked. Normally he is one of the more moderate Scottish posters and he leaves the extreme views to others. Enough is enough eh mate?
RuggerRadge2611- Posts : 7194
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Driven to madness, Radge, what can I tell ye?! I would love a Scotland win as much as the next man, but even if by some miracle Parks plays a blinder, I still won't think that Robinson got his selections right. The end will justify the means for some, no doubt, and fair enough. But not for me this time. Nevertheless, c'mon Scotland
AsLongAsBut100ofUs- Posts : 14129
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
After having some time to let the team selection sink in I've come to the conclusion that although it might not be an inspirational decision to start with Parks, it may be a good for Laidlaw. With Jackson injured, Weir not quite ready and Godman simply awful, Parks and Laidlaw are the two 10s in the team. Now if Robbo went with Laidlaw and things didn’t go well the only substitution available is to bring on Desperate Dan. Everyone knows his game plan and that he’ll look for the corners and England will know exactly what’s coming. With Laidlaw on the bench it gives us the advantage of the unknown. The England camp will have seen how he and Blair opened up LI but won’t know what to expect. Laidlaw can get the backline moving and kick from hand, meaning he can get their back 3 going up and down the field not knowing what to expect. There’s also the confidence factor. I know that Laidlaw is a big boy and had played rugby for years, but it must be demoralizing to see Parks coming on for you. I’d rather have Parks screw things up than Laidlaw. Parks will put the ball in touch in the England 22 all day long and hopefully we can capitalize on their lineout. Laidlaw to come on after 60 minutes and engineer 4 or 5 tries. Scotland to win by 20!
Scot Abroad- Posts : 531
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
As Shizoid said above, though, if he brings on Laidlaw AND Morrison it's really going to quell Laidlaw's strengths. We can only hope for SLamont to come off the wing as often as possible for the back line moves (although mind you only because *his* crash ball is better)
KickAndChase- Posts : 738
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Laidlaw to come on after 60 minutes and engineer 4 or 5 tries. Scotland to win by 20!
I suppose Scotland will score that many tries in a game against England one day, probably the same time as the genetically engineered pigs fly overhead.
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Scotland are fav to win, Andy Robinson on the wind up but I still think Englands 2nd team can win tomorrow
george doors- Posts : 132
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Well we haven't beaten them by more than a score since 1986 and the weather is looking suited to tight 10 man rugby. To be honest I don't think Laidlaw will come on at all if the game is still close, unless Parks is injured. But hopefully our big, experienced forwards will win it.
Having said that, I just carried out a scientific study of the game using Rugby 2005 on the PS2 (yes, I am that far behind when it comes to games consoles), and can conclude that Scotland will win by 57 points to 38.
Having said that, I just carried out a scientific study of the game using Rugby 2005 on the PS2 (yes, I am that far behind when it comes to games consoles), and can conclude that Scotland will win by 57 points to 38.
Pat_Mustard- Posts : 601
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
lostinwales wrote:Laidlaw to come on after 60 minutes and engineer 4 or 5 tries. Scotland to win by 20!
I suppose Scotland will score that many tries in a game against England one day, probably the same time as the genetically engineered pigs fly overhead.
You're probably right, why settle for only 4 or 5. What's the 6N record for tries in one match?
Scot Abroad- Posts : 531
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Scotland scored 12 in a match against Wales in 1887, but that was in the days when you didn't get any points for a try, only for a conversion. And we only converted 4. Wales and England have both scored 10 in 5/6N matches.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=tries;template=results;trophy=2;type=team;view=match
http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=tries;template=results;trophy=2;type=team;view=match
Pat_Mustard- Posts : 601
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
Anyone see the Strokes interview in The Herald today - he seems up for a bit of a rumble !
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
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Re: Scotland Team for Saturday
As I said when the team was announced Dan Parks was the wrong man for this game. A lot of hyperbole o other threads talking about getting rid of Robinson and whilst I agree I don't really want to post on a thread that is basicly just hurling personal insults at the man.
Dan Park's mistake was the primary factor we lost that game. However The ref did us no favours. We had a penalty advantage that was somehow forgotten about after Greig Laidlaw played that wee kick and chase and after watching the game again on I player this morning even Brian Moore was confused as to why England were getting some of these penalties.
If's but's and maybe's aside though, Robinson has to take personal responsiblity for his selections and he must now look to the Scotland A team to pick the bulk of the backline.
Sean Lamont has a big heart and always tries his best, but Robbo is kidding himself if he thinks he is a centre.
For me the team to play Wales :
Chunk
Ford
Murray
Gray
Hamilton
Harley
Rennie
Denton
Blair
Laidlaw
Lamont
Scott
NDL
Jones
Hogg
Parks gets dropped because he was never the right player, Evans out because he is a ball greedy glory monger who waseted no less than 3 overlaps yesterday, Lamont shifts to the wing and ROry Lamont AKA Mr Glass is dropped for a player with genuine attacking flar in the shape of Hogg.
The Scotland coaching team have nothing to lose now...... try stuff out and salvage your jobs before its too late !
Dan Park's mistake was the primary factor we lost that game. However The ref did us no favours. We had a penalty advantage that was somehow forgotten about after Greig Laidlaw played that wee kick and chase and after watching the game again on I player this morning even Brian Moore was confused as to why England were getting some of these penalties.
If's but's and maybe's aside though, Robinson has to take personal responsiblity for his selections and he must now look to the Scotland A team to pick the bulk of the backline.
Sean Lamont has a big heart and always tries his best, but Robbo is kidding himself if he thinks he is a centre.
For me the team to play Wales :
Chunk
Ford
Murray
Gray
Hamilton
Harley
Rennie
Denton
Blair
Laidlaw
Lamont
Scott
NDL
Jones
Hogg
Parks gets dropped because he was never the right player, Evans out because he is a ball greedy glory monger who waseted no less than 3 overlaps yesterday, Lamont shifts to the wing and ROry Lamont AKA Mr Glass is dropped for a player with genuine attacking flar in the shape of Hogg.
The Scotland coaching team have nothing to lose now...... try stuff out and salvage your jobs before its too late !
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