Parlez Vous Francais?

First topic message reminder :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qUxcmH595s&feature=player_embedded

Where there is smoke, there is fire....or is it just a smokescreen?
Or none of the above....


What is going on?

NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGdd_00QBBI&feature=related
Seems there are plenty floating around now.

noleisthebest wrote:NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

Cal Lightman would have a field day with that guy.

noleisthebest wrote:NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

Please, please... Can someone here translate and tell me what he is saying?

Paraphrasing or summary can also do...

In short he is saying it's not a campaign against him or other athletes but it's a campaign against Spain.

Which is pretty political actually cause this is the best way to gather as many people (Spaniards) behind him. Spain is targeted, not me!

Quite smart...from Toni again I guess.

noleisthebest wrote:NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

Seriously! Are you this vindictive in real life. If you only understood 15% do you really believe your capable of making judgements? I wonder if you would be this happy if speculation was aimed at a certain Serbian player. So far it hasn't but it could and tbh if stuff like this is deemed acceptable I see no reason why other top players would be off grounds for such insinuations.

hawkeye wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

Seriously! Are you this vindictive in real life. If you only understood 15% do you really believe your capable of making judgements? I wonder if you would be this happy if speculation was aimed at a certain Serbian player. So far it hasn't but it could and tbh if stuff like this is deemed acceptable I see no reason why other top players would be off grounds for such insinuations.

Seriously! something wrong with your understanding of English language. Where is NITB sounding vindictive? Sorry I might not be able to read between the lines but all she is saying that Nadal is not happy and he does not care about it.

vindictive - showing malicious ill will and a desire to hurt

statocumulus. you don't have to read through the lines just read through this article...

Hawkeye, tbh If I am a Nadal fan then I wouldn't even care what French are going on about. If Nadal has been taking PEDs then like tenez or veejay suggested that he should be going thru cycles but Nadal has not missed a slam for long time and made into last 4 slam finals.

Canal +'s les Guignoles apologise.....

From 3.00mn...

http://player.canalplus.fr/#/589458

Quite funny actually...it's about a mona lisa from Vinci which was recently discovered in Spain.

stratocumulus wrote:
Seriously! something wrong with your understanding of English language. Where is NITB sounding vindictive? Sorry I might not be able to read between the lines but all she is saying that Nadal is not happy and he does not care about it.

The great thing about NITB is that she doesn't bite!

statocumulus

I was commenting on whats going here not on French TV!

Tenez wrote:Canal +'s les Guignoles apologise.....

From 3.00mn...

http://player.canalplus.fr/#/589458

Quite funny actually...it's about a mona lisa from Vinci which was recently discovered in Spain.

Indeed!

I mean what would we be talking about this week without this "story"?
Another GOAT thread....

hawkeye wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:NADAL REPLIES!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZXJ7B8qsM


I understoodnd about 15 % : he ain't happy, but he don't care....

Seriously! Are you this vindictive in real life. If you only understood 15% do you really believe your capable of making judgements? I wonder if you would be this happy if speculation was aimed at a certain Serbian player. So far it hasn't but it could and tbh if stuff like this is deemed acceptable I see no reason why other top players would be off grounds for such insinuations.

So it is ok for you to be vindictive about Murray!!

Laughable double standards as always

Sour grapes from the French again
What a sad pathetic bitter group they are. Just jealous because their country will never produce a superstar as good as Rafael Nadal, so they spend all day trying to make puppet shows to discredit him and falsely accuse him.

Spain: have less humour than they have employment these days.

amritia3ee wrote:Sour grapes from the French again
What a sad pathetic bitter group they are. Just jealous because their country will never produce a superstar as good as Rafael Nadal, so they spend all day trying to make puppet shows to discredit him and falsely accuse him.

Les Guignols is no more "the French" than Spitting Image was or Private Eye is "the British" - it's just a satirical programme that sails close to the edge and sometimes oversteps the mark. The Duke of Wellington understood how to treat such tittle-tattle.

barrystar wrote:

amritia3ee wrote:Sour grapes from the French again
What a sad pathetic bitter group they are. Just jealous because their country will never produce a superstar as good as Rafael Nadal, so they spend all day trying to make puppet shows to discredit him and falsely accuse him.

Les Guignols is no more "the French" than Spitting Image was or Private Eye is "the British" - it's just a satirical programme that sails close to the edge and sometimes oversteps the mark. The Duke of Wellington understood how to treat such tittle-tattle.

Indeed. It is like calling Frankie Boyle "The British". Amritia blames the entire French for an advert made by a small group of people.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
Amritia blames the entire French for an advert made by a small group of people.

Well it's not the first time the French media have played these dirty discrediting tactics.

I loved spitting image.

DOes that make me British?

amritia3ee wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
Amritia blames the entire French for an advert made by a small group of people.

Well it's not the first time the French media have played these dirty discrediting tactics.

I take your point - but they are not trying to create a suspicion from nowhere, more like tapping into one by making an admittedly crude joke about it. It's a tough on Nadal personally, and there is an element of sour grapes that the Spaniards are monopolising the big French tournaments these days, but the Spanish sporting authorities more generally are worthy recipients of skepticism, and their thin-skinned response suggests that they are more than aware of that. They could perhaps more justifiably have made the same joke without focusing on one sportsman.

barrystar wrote: and there is an element of sour grapes that the Spaniards are monopolising the big French tournaments these days.

They're pathetic bitter losers. Simple as that.

I do feel though if Nadal was very fluent in the French language they would probably bone him and not attempt to jibe him. Maybe it hurts some of them that French isn't the number 1 or 2nd language?

amritia3ee wrote:

barrystar wrote: and there is an element of sour grapes that the Spaniards are monopolising the big French tournaments these days.

They're pathetic bitter losers. Simple as that.

Maybe they are, but they're right.

And they know they can call the Spanish dopers all they want without comeback, because you can't sue somebody for something that's true.

Spain have too many massive doping secrets brushed under the carpet that I think maybe the French media would love a big juciy court case to get their teeth into. The Spanish are backed into a corner and it's pretty fun to see them squirm.

djlovesyou wrote:

amritia3ee wrote:

barrystar wrote: and there is an element of sour grapes that the Spaniards are monopolising the big French tournaments these days.

They're pathetic bitter losers. Simple as that.

Maybe they are, but they're right.

And they know they can call the Spanish dopers all they want without comeback, because you can't sue somebody for something that's true.

Spain have too many massive doping secrets brushed under the carpet that I think maybe the French media would love a big juciy court case to get their teeth into. The Spanish are backed into a corner and it's pretty fun to see them squirm.

So what do you think is likely to happen, and how do you see this ending?

Nothing will happen.

It'll just blow over like it always does. Whilst the ITF/ATP are protecting their big names regardless, and the Spanish sporting authorities remain unflinchingly defiant, nothing can come of it.

To be honest, I'm not sure the tennis authorities are that strong, but when they can hang on the coat-tails of UEFA and their stance on the whole doping matter, they should be pretty safe.

Operation Puerto:
List of athletes named

According to the Guardia Civil,[20][31][32] the following athletes have been named.
[edit]Cyclists
[edit]Teams
Astana-Würth
Alberto Contador – removed from the case by Spanish courts (26 July 2006).[22]
Allan Davis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (26 July 2006),[22] investigation closed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (14 December).[33]
Joseba Beloki – removed from the case by Spanish courts (26 July 2006).[22]
David Etxebarría
Isidro Nozal – removed from the case by Spanish courts (26 July 2006).[22]
Unai Osa
Sérgio Paulinho – removed from the case by Spanish courts (26 July 2006).[22]
Michele Scarponi - admitted he is Zapatero in Fuentes' files[29]. Scarponi was suspended on 16 May 2007.[34]
Marcos Serrano
Ángel Vicioso
Comunidad Valenciana
Vicente Ballester – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
David Bernabeu – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
David Blanco – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
José Adrián Bonilla – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
Juan Gomis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
Eladio Jiménez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
David Latasa – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
Javier Pascual Rodríguez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
Rubén Plaza – removed from the case by Spanish courts (28 July 2006).[35]
[edit]Individuals
AG2R Prévoyance
Francisco Mancebo – initially retired from cycling,[36] but having severed ties with AG2R,[37] joined Spanish professional continental team Relax-Gam.[38] In 2009 he raced with USA-based Rock Racing.
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears
Constantino Zaballa
Alejandro Valverde – the source of blood marked VALV.(PITI) (Piti being believed to be the name of Valverde's dog at the time).[39] Valverde was suspended from racing in Italy from May 2009, and in May 2010 a two year suspension, backdated to 1 January 2010, was applied.
Team CSC
Ivan Basso – Basso's contract with CSC was terminated by mutual agreement on 18 October 2006.[40] On 27 October 2006 the case was dropped by the Federazione Ciclistica Italiana due to lack of evidence,[41] and he was then employed in December 2006 by Discovery Channel.[42] On 24 April 2007 Basso was suspended by Discovery Channel when the Italian National Olympic Committee (CONI) reopened his case. On 1 May 2007 Basso requested to be released from his Discovery Channel contract. This was granted.[43] Basso attended a hearing on 2 May,[44] and on 7 May 2007, admitted that he was Birillo.[3] Basso was suspended on 16 May 2007.[34]
Fränk Schleck - Schleck admitted transferring nearly 7000 euros to a bank account held by Dr. Fuentes, but denied any doping or personal contact with Fuentes.[45]
Phonak Hearing Systems
José Ignacio Gutiérrez
José Enrique Gutiérrez
Santiago Botero – case dropped by disciplinary committee of the Federación Colombiana de Ciclismo (2 October 2006).[46]
Saunier Duval-Prodir
Carlos Zárate
Koldo Gil
T-Mobile Team
Óscar Sevilla - codename Sevillano.
Jan Ullrich - DNA tests confirmed that the 9 bags that were marked Jan, number 1 or Hijo Rudicio (Son of Rudy) all contained Jan Ullrich's blood.[4] An alleged doping plan was published in the newspaper, Süddeutsche Zeitung, where Ullrich's suspected doping during the first week of the 2005 Tour de France was described.[47]
Tinkoff Credit Systems
Tyler Hamilton - at the time of the initial investigation, Hamilton was suspended for a prior doping offence. Politiken, a Danish newspaper, published details of alleged doping diary of Hamilton during the 2003 season when he rode for Team CSC. It described intake of EPO, growth hormones, testosterone and insulin on 114 days during the 200 day season of 2003.[48] According to allegations originally published in El País, Hamilton is to have paid over €43,000 to Fuentes and that in 2003 Hamilton took erythropoietin, blood transfusions, growth hormone, a hormone taken by menopausal women and anabolic steroids.[49]
Jörg Jaksche - at the time of the initial investigation, Jaksche rode for Astana-Würth. On 30 June 2007, Jaksche admitted to Der Spiegel that he used Fuentes' services. He said that he was Bella, or number 20. Jaksche had been under suspension by Tinkoff Credit Systems since May.[30]
Unibet
Carlos García Quesada
[edit]Already retired or suspended
Michele Bartoli - on 25 May 2007 La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that Bartoli was connected to Fuentes with the code name Sansone. Bartoli has not commented on this accusation.[50]
Ángel Casero
Roberto Heras
Santiago Pérez
Marco Pantani (deceased) Corriere della Sera reported that Pantani was connected to Fuentes with the code name PTNI in 2003.[51]
[edit]Other athletes
On 5 July 2006, Fuentes was indignant that only cyclists had been named and said he also worked with tennis and football players.[52] On 27 July 2006, IAAF was assured by Spanish prosecutors that no track and field athletes were involved.[53] On 23 September 2006, former cyclist Jesús Manzano told reporters from France 3 that he had seen "well-known footballers" from La Liga visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.[54]
In May 2007 Sepp Blatter, president of FIFA, at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file".[55] Le Monde had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. These plans did not specifically name any players.[56] This news seem to be only rumors, since the French journal lost its trials in 2009 and 2011 against the FC Barcelona because he could not produce any proof of its allegations. In the ultimate judgement, on 14 November 2011, it was condemned to pay 15,000 euros of indemnity for "using false and unverified facts".[57]
No other athletes had been named.

@amritia3ee

Spanish officials claimed no non cyclists were involved during the operation Puerto scandal,which was later proven to be a lie through operation Galgo

If Nadal doesnt sue for libel or defamation of character,its as good as admitting to the allegations

Veejay wrote:
If Nadal doesnt sue for libel or defamation of character,its as good as admitting to the allegations

Are you really this stupid or do you pretend to be clueless. How doesn't suing someone for allegations definitely mean you must be guilty. It's just a waste of time, its better not to take these crude allegations seriously and actually sue them, ignoring is the best policy.

LOL Veejay this really is getting desperate now! I see you posted earlier today that Federer would prefer to win a WTF 2011 compared to AO 2012, anything to add to that now

As for your steroids theory, I read your greatly proclaimed 'curious case of Rafael Nadal' article. I must admit now, that article was pure comedy, it really was. As expected they had absolutely no hardcore evidence, just complete speculation and hope.

amritia3ee wrote:

Veejay wrote:
If Nadal doesnt sue for libel or defamation of character,its as good as admitting to the allegations

Are you really this stupid or do you pretend to be clueless. How doesn't suing someone for allegations definitely mean you must be guilty. It's just a waste of time, its better not to take these crude allegations seriously and actually sue them, ignoring is the best policy.

Someones clearly p-off..those dam French...must be so jealous of muscles like that!!
Well he didn't sue L'Equipe and now he won't sue a French T,V station..
I find it hard to believe that an athlete like Nadal wouldn't want to clear his name when he has the opportunity to
People sue tabloids for rubbish written about them every day,but heres an athlete whose credibility is being knocked and is being accused of cheating,and they won't want to take action?
Why not? Because its a waste of time?
I agree..its a waste of time..cause he won't win and will most likely will be opening a whole can of worms he would rather not
The Frecnh T.V station will appeal to the European high court to have the seal thats been placed on the list of athletes who received treatments from Funetes be lifted
What will you do then?
Blame me again

amritia3ee wrote:LOL Veejay this really is getting desperate now! I see you posted earlier today that Federer would prefer to win a WTF 2011 compared to AO 2012, anything to add to that now

As for your steroids theory, I read your greatly proclaimed 'curious case of Rafael Nadal' article. I must admit now, that article was pure comedy, it really was. As expected they had absolutely no hardcore evidence, just complete speculation and hope.

My analysis of the article;

Paragraph 1: 'Nadal is athletic and has stamina'- No proof of anything illegal.
Paragraph 2: 'Fuentes case'- Nadal was not named in the case, but they continue to speculate in desperation- no evidence whatsoever he was on the list. (A link is given to a newspaper article- but this doesn't even work.)
Paragraph 3: 'Injuries'- they describe some of Nadal injuries- no evidence of illegal steroid use at all. As for recovering quickly- well Fed's back was in trouble in Qatar and seemed fine a few weeks later against Del Potro- with new advanced medicine (completely legal!)- this is very possible.
Paragraph 4: 'Gasquet case'- They accuse Nadal of making up Gasquet's *I kissed a girl who had cocaine case* and say that Gasquet only stuck to this defence after Nadal randomly made up this story. Total BS, and nothing to do with him being on steroids.
Paragraph 5: 'Nadal fails drugs test'- they claim that think that Nadal failed drug tests in 2009. No evidence at all, as usual.
Paragraph 6: See paragraph 3.
Paragraph 7: 'PRP'- Funniest paragraph. In 2010 Nadal said that after Monte Carlo Nadal only had time to get one knee done, and the second knee would be treated later- the author then claims this is a conspiracy and said this was hard evidence that Nadal was taking steroids.
Paragraph 8: 'Nadal's serve'- I burst out laughing. USO 2010 Nadal changed his grip on his serve and had a shorter cutback which meant his serve was faster. The difference in service motion between Wimby 2010 and USO 2010 was obvious- which resulted in a faster serve. However the author of the article once again said that the change in grip and service motion had nothing to do with the difference in drugs but sees this as concrete evidence that Nadal is on drugs.
Paragraph 9: 'sportsmanship' The author of the article blasts Nadal and how unsportsmanlike (by sarcastically comparing him to Edberg) was during his 2011 AO QF vs Ferrer. This is off-topic and PROVES that the author has an agenda against Nadal- you can tell this by the tone of the sarcastic line- this is off-topic and has nothing to do with steroids.
Paragraph 10: The author loses his cool with Nadal and decides that every single injury he has ever had is fake. No evidence at all.

Overall analysis:
1/ Tone of article- anti Nadal agenda. While reading the article it is quite obvious the author has a clear agenda and hates Nadal. For an article to be trustworthy and reliable it needs to be balance- for example if I do a thread where I compare Nadal and Federer, it will be untrustworthy as I am not balanced and am a Nadal fan.
2/ No hardcore evidence- At no point during the article did we find any hardcore evidence that is clear proof that Nadal is guilty.
3/ Gross speculation- see point number 1- after showing no concrete evidence the author starts hugely speculating and making assumptions. He assumes every Nadal injury is fake, infact he even gives a link to a photo showing Nadal grimacing with the caption 'Nadal pretending to grimace.' The author assumes Nadal failed a blood test in 2009 even though he later admits this was a 'completely unproven rumour.' Lastly the author says Nadal was on the list in Operation Puerta- even though there is no official evidence or proof. The only hopeful claim they have is a link to an article by a notoriously anti-Spanish newspaper- and the link is broken- and the quote they provide from the newspaper article also shows this (article) to be complete speculation too.

Therefore: Conclusion- No evidence or proof Nadal is guilty, and we must understand that the author of the article is extremely anti-Nadal, we can see this by the tone.

Getting desperate...LOL...why would I...did you not see the videos??
Looking at the above post,it seems you're the one who is desperate..I have already asked you this before,what are you going to get out defending Nadal.Does it help you sleep better at night? Cause its not like you'll be benefiting in any finical way..maybe its your ego? The need to feel and believe you're right...
Why did you suddenly read the article,why didn't you read it before or has it taken you this long to do it...but is it because more and more people are openly accusing Nadal? Makes me wonder how secure you really are that Nadal is innocent,I mean before it was just people on forums,now t.v stations are coming out and blatantly accusing him...and what makes it worse is that Nadal won't take action and clear his name

I don't need any of the above for my personal suspicions of Nadal,I have taken steroids and other PED's for years and I have trained people who takes them,I have more then enough experience to back my speculations up...whether you believe that or not..I don't care as your opinion isn't based on experience, but rather being a fan,if it was based in experience,you would be agreeing with me
You can slate that article all you want,call it bias,call it having an agenda against Nadal..whatever ..it won't make peoples suspicions go away and it certainly won't make the videos disappear
Ill post it for you again incase you havent seen it enough..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGdd_00QBBI&feature=related

ENJOY!!

So Veejay, when do you plan to stop speculating. Or provide any form of concrete evidence? Perhaps you can stop repeating the line 'I have great experience as I do this myself'- a line which could easily, and I suspect is, a bluff.

amritia3ee wrote:So Veejay, when do you plan to stop speculating. Or provide any form of concrete evidence? Perhaps you can stop repeating the line 'I have great experience as I do this myself'- a line which could easily, and I suspect is, a bluff.

The thing thats so funny about all of this is that the T.V stations don't have proof either,so why make those accusations to begin with?
And why won't Nadal sue for libel and defamation of character to clear his name,especially if theres no proof? That really don't add up does it?
I will never have concrete evidence as Im not the one doing drugs tests,so how can you expect me to have any? If the ATP can hide Agassis failed drugs tests for years,is it really unfair to consider that they have no credibility on the matter?
Besides I don't need concrete evidence,does a plastic surgeon need receipts to prove Micahel Jackson had plastic surgery?
As I said before I don't care if you don't believe me,I believe me and thats all that matters.I have posted which drugs I believe Nadal is on but some of my comments have been deleted because the owners of this forum fear a possible court case.For that reason I won't put them at jeopardy but if you're really desperate again,go back on that no Nadal era thread..Im sure theres a few comments there that have been deleted..

So you havent told me if you enjoyed the link I posted..
Ill post it again...but let me know what you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGdd_00QBBI&feature=related

ENJOY!!

Fun stuff there amritia, but it really doesn't make much sense.

The Operacion Puerto list is a physical list of names.

The French newspaper said that Nadal was on that list...not necessarily that Nadal cheated. This is something that can easily be proved either way, much easier than proving as to whether someone was a cheat or not.

Surely if Nadal is not on the list, he could sue for defamation and a quick check could verify as to whether he was on the list or not. Why didn't this happen?

The newspaper was fined for revealing a non-cyclist that was on the list as this was prohibited by a ruling by a Spanish court not for calling Nadal a doper.

djlovesyou wrote:he could sue for defamation... Why didn't this happen?

Well the link from the French newspaper was broken, so maybe they took it down. Plus why would Nadal waste time on these nonsense allegations, much better on him to concentrate on tennis.

Yep. Of course they took it down.

There was a court ruling that stated that you weren't allowed to release any names of people involved in Puerto, if they weren't cyclists.

The weren't forced to take it down because they were wrong, only because it was forbidden by the courts.

Oh, and bearing in mind the guy isn't the sharpest tool in the box and he's very rich. He would have plenty of lawyer power to deal with things like this. It would be very simple, as I said, and it wouldn't have even gone to court. He sues the newspaper for defamation, it gets settled in his favour out of court. Name cleared. That is of course if he was never involved with Fuentes.

Not being a legal expert and since je ne parle pas francais I have 2 questions:-

1. Is saying someone was on a list considered a defamation of character? i.e. what could you sue them for?
2. What specific accusations did the French t.v. station make, from a legal standpoint?

Nadal shouldn't bother suing anyone. It's a waste of time and the bitter French media will continue making baseless allegations regardless.

amritia3ee wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:he could sue for defamation... Why didn't this happen?

Well the link from the French newspaper was broken, so maybe they took it down. Plus why would Nadal waste time on these nonsense allegations, much better on him to concentrate on tennis.

It looks like they are saying they will sue becasue of their "logo" beign used, not necessarily the inference of the doping. It's the classic move, lets say a story came out that they were cheating on their wives (and we knew it true) the move is to denounce the charge and threaten to sue so that people go "oh if they are going to sue, it must not be true) but in the fine lines of the statements or actions we actually wouldn't be threatening to sue becaue the allegation was false, but for some other technicality... like this logo thing. It's classic deflection.

Then you never sue, but just hope people remember you said you would and it goes away.But that still leaved Nadal out of wanting to clear his name again,second time running

So Veejay, once again, are you planning to provide any hardcore evidence or proof anytime soon, or are we back to the old 'let's hopelessly speculate tactics.' Maybe you can add in a vague ' I take PEDs all the time so therefore I have proof (but can't show any specific detail)' line as a bluff to help yourself in this nonsense accusation.

amritia3ee wrote:So Veejay, once again, are you planning to provide any hardcore evidence or proof anytime soon, or are we back to the old 'let's hopelessly speculate tactics.' Maybe you can add in a vague ' I take PEDs all the time so therefore I have proof (but can't show any specific detail)' line as a bluff to help yourself in this nonsense accusation.

Can you provide evidence that Nadal isn't doping?
Do you have any tests to show me and prove that he isn't?

The desperation has come to this

Can you provide evidence that every single player in the top 100 isn't doping? Every single player in the top 100 has to follow the strict ATP WADA rules+ procedures, no???

JuliusHMarx wrote:Not being a legal expert and since je ne parle pas francais I have 2 questions:-

1. Is saying someone was on a list considered a defamation of character? i.e. what could you sue them for?
2. What specific accusations did the French t.v. station make, from a legal standpoint?

If a newspaper came out and said you were on the sex offender register and you weren't, would you consider that defamation of character or not? Being on a list of clients that a admitted blood doping doctor said he 'treated' is likely to be very damaging for ones career if true. If it's not true, you're hardly going to sit around and take it.

I was more talking about the specific accusation that Nadal was on the Fuentes list rather than this TV sketch.

No one cares about that article, which has now been taken down. Why should Nadal bother constantly trying to battle back against the bitter French media instead of focusing on the tennis. Everyone knows that they have no proof, it's all pure hopeful speclation generated by people who hate Nadal, who won't change their view. Why bother?

The knew that he was on the Fuentes list. That's why they reported it. If a newspaper publishes lies, they get sued. It's as simple as that. They didn't get sued.

The fact that they weren't allowed to report it by law was the reason why it was taken down.

Why they're not allowed to report the full list and why the full thing hasn't been published is a matter of severe contention and will hopefully one day be resolved. Until then, Spanish sport will be blighted and their achievements looked upon with a degree of cynicism.

amritia3ee wrote:The desperation has come to this

Can you provide evidence that every single player in the top 100 isn't doping? Every single player in the top 100 has to follow the strict ATP WADA rules+ procedures, no???

You don't have evidence to prove he isn't doping so why do you ask me to provide evidence that he is doping?
Its not desperation its using pure logic and common sense,why are you allowed to ask me for proof and me not allowed to ask you? Whats with the double standard?
We all know the players get tested but do you know what the outcome of the tests are? You're only assuming things because you're not being told anything
Since the whole Canas scandal we havent heard of a single player testing positive...how can that be? How can every single player test negative for several season in a sport which has shown that athletes would resort to cheating Has the sport really been clean since then? What about Wayne who caught with vials of Nandrolone ( at an airport),not single positive test or any mention of it
The results of tests are never released,considering that Agassis fail tests were kept secret how can we trust the ATP an ITF?Does that not possibly mean they could be covering for any other athlete,especially one who if exposed would destroy the sports squeaky clean reputation
Is that not a fair argument?

amritia3ee wrote:No one cares about that article, which has now been taken down. Why should Nadal bother constantly trying to battle back against the bitter French media instead of focusing on the tennis. Everyone knows that they have no proof, it's all pure hopeful speclation generated by people who hate Nadal, who won't change their view. Why bother?

And you want to call me desperate...who is ignoring something here to avoid answering questions?

Veejay wrote:does a plastic surgeon need receipts to prove Micahel Jackson had plastic surgery?

Good point.

Watch the last 2 GS finals and make up your mind.

djlovesyou wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Not being a legal expert and since je ne parle pas francais I have 2 questions:-

1. Is saying someone was on a list considered a defamation of character? i.e. what could you sue them for?
2. What specific accusations did the French t.v. station make, from a legal standpoint?

If a newspaper came out and said you were on the sex offender register and you weren't, would you consider that defamation of character or not? Being on a list of clients that a admitted blood doping doctor said he 'treated' is likely to be very damaging for ones career if true. If it's not true, you're hardly going to sit around and take it.

I was more talking about the specific accusation that Nadal was on the Fuentes list rather than this TV sketch.

A sex offender list is a list of people who have committed crimes, whereas a list of a doctor's clients is just a list of people. Legally, would being named as being on that list constitute a defamation of character? If not, what would he sue them for? Can a newspaper be sued for just plain old innaccuracy e.g. saying Nadal went to Italy on holiday, when it was Turkey might be innaccurate, but what could you sue them for?
I'm not saying he couldn't have sued them, but is anyone certain from a legal standpoint, that he could have?