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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:59 pm

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Post by stnick88 Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:00 pm

Nothing special mate we are w a n k

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:15 pm

I would love to see Dusatoir and Warburton in the same back row!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:47 pm

French front row is mental with Servat on, him and Mas demolishing Scotland in the set piece

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Post by Guest Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:25 pm

They had Scotland in the scrum throughout. The Scotland back up props were embarrassingly bad. Young hogg looks a prospect

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Post by Driver Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:49 pm

Hogg and Jones both look talents in the Scot's back line.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:36 pm

Cipriani not confirmed for Sale just yet from sounds of it...

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/18304/7549478/Cipriani-eyes-England-return

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:42 pm

I'd be surprised if he wasn't confirmed on tuesday

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:44 pm

Theres still time you might get somebody half decent Steve, heard Andy Goode might be available Wink

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:47 pm

I'm not entirely sure how happy I am with Cips. We need Macleod in there for his goal kicking and might need to be pushed to 12.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:49 pm

assuming he were to sign

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:59 pm

He'd be one of the few FH's I'd prefer Gopperth over with and that's saying something. Such a infuriating player to watch.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:28 pm

Pretty good ratings from the Guardian....little harsh on Tuilagi, thought he played really well:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/25/england-wales-player-ratings?cat=sport&type=article

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:55 pm

How has Barrit got the same rating as Warburton?

Blaming Foden for the Wales try is crazy as well. it was Lawes fault

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:02 pm

Telegraph gives Farrell & Warbs a 9:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9106495/England-v-Wales-player-ratings.html

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:06 pm

Farrell a 9???

Didn't think he was that good. I'd give Warburton 9 and the likes of Barrit, North, Parling 7's.

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Post by Driver Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:19 pm

I'd of given Farrell a 8 , thought our backs looked better than they have done for a long time.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 am

Folks

Just to let you know so it's all above board. Chris is not going to be online much over the next couple of weeks, so has PM'd me his teams for this week and next, which I will post on the match threads.

As I know that he won't be on much and the reason why he is excused from predictions and will not be finacially penalised for not doing them.

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Post by stnick88 Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:41 pm

I think Cipriani has had a few offers. We offered him a deal, but Sale have offered more. I imagine others may have also.

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Post by stnick88 Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:54 pm

would anyone make any changes for the france game?

I want to see Sharples in over Ashton.
Brown deserves a start too. Foden is quality but has had a poor 6N. tough decision.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:58 pm

Foden should never be dropped in a month of sundays. He is the 3rd name on the teamsheet behind Dan Cole and Manu Tuilagi.

I am happy with the side as it is myself.

Only way Brown gets a start is if Foden is attending birth of child.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:50 pm

Bowden confirmed he is leaving Irish.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:59 pm

Highlights seem to show that Marler did a job on Harden on saturday.

Anyone reckon that this upturn in scrumagging form is due to his work with Rowntree?

If it is then we need to get Henry Thomas, Rupert Harden, Kieran Brookes, Lee Imiolek, Grant Shiells and any other england prop along for some work with him!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:02 pm

I'd make 2 changes for France, those being Lawes for Botha and Sharples for Ashton.

There are other areas that need addressing, but it needs to be an evolutionary process rather than a revolutionary one.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:04 pm

"Anyone reckon that this upturn in scrumagging form is due to his work with Rowntree"

I think I said similar last week, certainly looked stronger.

Only player I'd consider changing is Ashton for Sharples or possibly bring May onto the bench inplace of Brown (long shot). Be good to get Wood back onto the bench too. Ashton seems like he's trying to displace Youngs as most out of form back.

I'd stick with Foden at FB. He's looked very average in attack but is always a rock in defence.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:09 pm

Apparently Gloucester scrum went well in the game although I have not seen it. Glos front row got good marks on all the match reports. May scored a cracker.

Sharples was in injured for England yet played in the game. How???

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:10 pm

I'd like to see this squad go on the summer tour. (*denotes uncapped)

Corbisiero, Mullan, Marler*, Cole, Doran-Jones.
Hartley, Webber, George*.
Garvey*, Attwood, Lawes, Parling.
Croft, Robshaw, Wood, Wallace*, Morgan, Narraway.

Youngs, Care, Dickson.
Farrell, Flood, Burns*.
Barritt, Turner-Hall, Tuilagi, Joseph*.
Ashton, Sharples*, Strettle, May*, Foden, Brown.

That's a 34 man squad with 8 uncapped players in, that should be good enough to compete now, but with an eye on the future.

The only one that I really had to think about was a back up 8 to Morgan. I am not 100% convinced that Narraway should now be that man (despite being a big fan), but we seriously lack options in that position at present.
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Post by Driver Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:15 pm

Sharples is capped , played vs Wales in summer
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:19 pm

Did he? Fair enough, 7 uncapped then.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:21 pm

Good squad Pete, May has to be involved asap imo. Him and Tuilagi in the same backline could be devestating.

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Post by Driver Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:24 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Did he? Fair enough, 7 uncapped then.

Yeah got about 6 seconds to maintain Jonsons policy of blooding players over a series of seconds rather than matchs
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:41 pm

I genuinely think that Lancaster has England on the right path, but he needs to show that he is ready to continually make the tough calls and axe people who have had the opportunity and have done ok, but have shown that they are unlikely to ever be a top international.
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Post by Driver Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:48 pm

I like Lancaster and hope he keeps the job as i think he's re-installed a lot of respect for the England team which went missing post RWC and he's created a squad of players who generally seem to have a burning desire to play for England.

I'v poached some of the ideas which he uses - prior to our Second team cup semi final on the 10th March away to Blaydon who beat us in the final last year. I'v went round the senior members of the club one who has played 500+ games for Seaton , the tag section , club president , members and just general people who have followed the club over the years and asked what it would mean to them to see not just a trophy in the cabinet but a team to be proud of and you get some pretty meaningful responses!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:09 pm

My summer squad would be very experimental. Outside of a full strength 22, I would really look to blood the young talent in the midweek games as well as getting them involved in a long term tour. Players in first 22 in caps. I would have the likes of PDJ and Mears in the Saxons so if injury occurred we aren;t playing the likes of Thomas and George to soon.

CORBISIERO, Marler, COLE, STEVENS, Thomas

HARTLEY, WEBBER, George

GARVEY, Attwood, PARLING, LAWES,

WOOD, CROFT, ROBSHAW, Wallace, MORGAN, Gibson

DICKSON, CARE, Youngs, Simpson

FARRELL, FLOOD, Ford

BARRITT, TUILAGI, Joseph, Twelvetrees,

ASHTON, FODEN, STRETTLE, Sharples, Brown, MAY


In the Saxons I would go with (Again First Choice in Caps). I think the Saxon's should have as bigger squad as is needed to include the talented people capable of playing for England.

WOOD, MULLAN, PDJ, Harden, Lahiff

Gray, BROOKER, MEARS

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:30 pm

We're not a million miles away in terms of senior squads there Steve. I was going to include Gibson over Narraway, but in trying to not show any London Irish bias I went against it.

Going to be really interesting to see if 1) Lancaster keeps the job, and 2) who he then selects.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:31 pm

How are people rating players that played full Ints over the weekend???

See you've selected a fair few Steve, I was contemplating a sprinkling myself

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:39 pm

I have bias towards my squad on here but that's because I have signed them because I like them and think they are class. Impossible not to show bias for your own players on here because you sign them for a reason.

I want to see May involved but don't know where yet. I don't think he is the man in the centre as we stand. Maybe on the wing for now but with a bit of license to roam.

Liked the look of Chisholm on saturday, his finish is the try of the season so far. Not many people will get past May like that. He like Joseph came through the schools circuit as a centre and may eventually end up there.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:41 pm

I wouldn't have played Warburton had he played a full part in Wales 6n campaign but he has only played 1 and a half games. Priestland had a huge rest on this game pre 6N (4 to 8 weeks I think with injury) so he should be alright.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:49 pm

Surprised you're starting Warburton tbh, he put in a massive shift on Saturday. I'll be marking down Ints this weekend, especially forwards.

See Flutey is out for season


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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:55 pm

Warburton has played 2 and a half games in 7 weeks before this game.

If I get called up on for that then I will be fuming.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:59 pm

Ints take alot out of a player, I'd have marked you down but no need lol

Parling has hardly played but he put in a huge shift Saturday (19 tackles!), boy needs a rest.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:01 pm

I guess there are 2 ways of looking at it Steve. There shouldn't be a massive issue with cumulative fatigue, as like you say, he's played relatively little rugby in the last 2 months, but the other view might be that he is off the back of a really tough international, and knows that next week he has another one. Question marks over the body and minds willingness this week.

Personally I've not taken the chance, and haven't included anyone who played in the 6 Nations at the weekend.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:04 pm

Well how come the players who played 2 games in the first two weeks of the 6N were okay? This happened to me a few seasons ago and drives me absolutely mad.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 pm

I'll be doing similar with players that started, doubt you'll see many start in real life too.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 pm

Like who Steve?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:07 pm

I don't understand the question pete?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:14 pm

Which players were ok?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:17 pm

No I mean that most players played two internationals back to back in the first two weeks of the 6N but I'm now being told that people will have it taken out of them after one game. 2 AP games and 1.5 international games in 7 weeks seems fine to me and I wouldn't pick up on anyone for fatigue in those games.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:25 pm

I don't think many managers played forwards that played 2 full Ints did they??

I'll definatley be marking down, Int rugby takes a lot of a player especially in the pack. Time away from club and returning to Int the follow week is also a big factor.

Pretty sure most have always picked up on this tbh

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:33 pm

And I'm not playing anybody who has played in 2 full internationals so I should be fine then.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:37 pm

I meant people normally pick on players who've played Int the weekend gone, Warburton was a one man wrecking ball he'll be goosed this weekend.

Any starting Int forwards from this weekend are a big no imo, similar with backs that put in a big shift. Farrell, Barritt, Dickson, Manu, JD, Halfpenny etc.

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