Patrice Evra

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I'm a Norwich fan so I'm completely unbiased in this whole Suarez/Evra case but I think Evra really doesn't help himself sometimes. I think he is an idiot to be honest. (So is Suarez as well)

Must say I am shocked at the absolute rubbish being directed at Evra. He has done nothing wrong here and has every right to celebrate in front of his fans.

He offered Suarez a hand shake, Suarez refused and yet he is to blame.... Madness.

It is to be expected that some forum members will defend their man, but the fact a member of the moderation team is doing it as well is shocking.

Football fans certainly need to get some perspective on the situation.

Can I ask why you think Phil Dowd rushed over to move Evra away fr Susrez during these "celebrations"? Suarez didn't even react so Dowd must have thought it was the wrong thing to do as well.

hampo171 wrote:Can I ask why you think Phil Dowd rushed over to move Evra away fr Susrez during these "celebrations"? Suarez didn't even react so Dowd must have thought it was the wrong thing to do as well.

Where does it state you cannot celebrate in front of your fans. It was by the tunnel which Suarez needs to pass to get off the pitch...

Look, when I went with Newcastle to Sunderland this year the Newcastle players celebrated in front of us after the game... Nothing wrong with it.

What exactly does Evra owe to Suarez?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:What exactly does Evra owe to Suarez?

Nothing, people would do well to remember that. Evra didn't pinch Suarez' skin and refuse to talk to him because of its colour, it was Suarez who done that.

Dispicable to defend someone who is so blatantly wrong.

I never said you couldn't celebrate in front of your fans, I asked why you thought Dowd was very quick to get Evra away from Suarez.

Anyway the club and Suarez have both issues statements apologising for what happened yesterday, I'd say it's time to move on and actually talk about football.

Evra's reaction deserves criticism, as does Suarez for asking a card for a Rio tackle. They are both muppets who need educating. Handshake isn't even needed in this game as they clearly never respected each other before the game anyway.

Atleast Suarez had a reason for not shaking Evra's hand, Rio had none for refusing Suarez hand. Rio is anti-Liverpool or anti-Uruguayan then?

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Evra's reaction deserves criticism, as does Suarez for asking a card for a Rio tackle. They are both muppets who need educating. Handshake isn't even needed in this game as they clearly never respected each other before the game anyway.

Atleast Suarez had a reason for not shaking Evra's hand, Rio had none for refusing Suarez hand. Rio is anti-Liverpool or anti-Uruguayan then?

I think Rio had a perfectly good reason for not shaking his hand, as a major driving force of the kick it out campaign he was standing by his team mate who was disgracefully snubbed but of course this all Evras fault.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Evra's reaction deserves criticism, as does Suarez for asking a card for a Rio tackle. They are both muppets who need educating. Handshake isn't even needed in this game as they clearly never respected each other before the game anyway.

Atleast Suarez had a reason for not shaking Evra's hand, Rio had none for refusing Suarez hand. Rio is anti-Liverpool or anti-Uruguayan then?

Why? He's done nothing wrong. If people cant control themselves when people celebrate is says more about them than anyhting else.

Suarez had not reason no not shake his hanf, unless he still doesn't want to associate with 'blacks'.

Rio didnt shake his hand for the disrespect he had shown his captain.

johnson2 wrote:Must say I am shocked at the absolute rubbish being directed at Evra. He has done nothing wrong here and has every right to celebrate in front of his fans.

He offered Suarez a hand shake, Suarez refused and yet he is to blame.... Madness.

It is to be expected that some forum members will defend their man, but the fact a member of the moderation team is doing it as well is shocking.

Football fans certainly need to get some perspective on the situation.

I'm not a Liverpool fan yet I still defend Suarez. I don't think he a racist. And why shouldn't a moderator defend Suarez? Freedom of speech ring any bells?

why are people talking about the original incident? Suarez was racist towards Evra and admitted to saying what was claimed, he was banned but feels hard done by because he thinks its acceptable (as racism is "friendly" in his country) and liverpool are stupidly defending him. As a result of not shaking Evra's hand, more people are realising what a dick suarez is and liverpools reputation is being tarnished.

Duty281 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Must say I am shocked at the absolute rubbish being directed at Evra. He has done nothing wrong here and has every right to celebrate in front of his fans.

He offered Suarez a hand shake, Suarez refused and yet he is to blame.... Madness.

It is to be expected that some forum members will defend their man, but the fact a member of the moderation team is doing it as well is shocking.

Football fans certainly need to get some perspective on the situation.

I'm not a Liverpool fan yet I still defend Suarez. I don't think he a racist. And why shouldn't a moderator defend Suarez? Freedom of speech ring any bells?

You are defending someone who is clearly wrong. No doubt about the fact he is definitely wrong.

Duty281 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Must say I am shocked at the absolute rubbish being directed at Evra. He has done nothing wrong here and has every right to celebrate in front of his fans.

He offered Suarez a hand shake, Suarez refused and yet he is to blame.... Madness.

It is to be expected that some forum members will defend their man, but the fact a member of the moderation team is doing it as well is shocking.

Football fans certainly need to get some perspective on the situation.

I'm not a Liverpool fan yet I still defend Suarez. I don't think he a racist. And why shouldn't a moderator defend Suarez? Freedom of speech ring any bells?

The point is, it doesn't matter if Suarez is a racist or not. That's not what he's been found guilty of or punished for.
As far as I'm aware even Evra told the FA board that he didn't think Suarez was a racist.
The fact is, however, that Suarez DID abuse Evra racially. He admitted using racial words himself (eventually. After changing his story a few times and implying that Evra was lying IIRC). Whether that, of itself, was grounds for an 8 match ban is a different argument.
To then compound that by not shaking Evra's hand, as if, somehow, Evra had done something wrong in reporting Suarez's racist comments, was stupid and antagonstic. Compared to Suarez (and Liverpool FC's) behaviour, Evra dancing in front of his own fans at the end of the match, while wrong, was nothing like as bad IMO.

I think Rio had a perfectly good reason for not shaking his hand, as a major driving force of the kick it out campaign he was standing by his team mate who was disgracefully snubbed but of course this all Evras fault.

Rio showed his childishness by getting involved in something that doesn't concern him. Then again I expect nothing better from a man who purposely avoided drug's test.

Why does it not concern him?

He is a club team mate of Patrice Evra so has every right to snub that piece of scum.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

I think Rio had a perfectly good reason for not shaking his hand, as a major driving force of the kick it out campaign he was standing by his team mate who was disgracefully snubbed but of course this all Evras fault.

Rio showed his childishness by getting involved in something that doesn't concern him. Then again I expect nothing better from a man who purposely avoided drug's test.

Of course it concerns Ferdinand. Evra's a work colleague and (possibly) a friend. He's been racially abused, but is willing to draw a line under the matter. However, when given the chance to do the same his abuser (Suarez) throws it back in his face.
Personally, I'm surprised any of the Man. U players shook Suarez's hand after that.

I say the he should say sorry to Liverpool for his remarks about Suarez.
Saying he should be sacked by the club is disgusting, of the shoe was on the other
foot Fergie would be defending his player untill the deatrh, like he did with Cantona..
Shame on Fergie to be sticking his red nose in other clubs problems.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

I think Rio had a perfectly good reason for not shaking his hand, as a major driving force of the kick it out campaign he was standing by his team mate who was disgracefully snubbed but of course this all Evras fault.

Rio showed his childishness by getting involved in something that doesn't concern him. Then again I expect nothing better from a man who purposely avoided drug's test.

Of course it concerns him. If I racially abuse someone I would expect that persons friends to take a pretty dim view on me.

johnson2 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Can I ask why you think Phil Dowd rushed over to move Evra away fr Susrez during these "celebrations"? Suarez didn't even react so Dowd must have thought it was the wrong thing to do as well.

Where does it state you cannot celebrate in front of your fans. It was by the tunnel which Suarez needs to pass to get off the pitch...

Look, when I went with Newcastle to Sunderland this year the Newcastle players celebrated in front of us after the game... Nothing wrong with it.

Yet it was only Evra who celebrated like that... His celebration at the end of the game was a joke.

nissan wrote:I say the he should say sorry to Liverpool for his remarks about Suarez.
Saying he should be sacked by the club is disgusting, of the shoe was on the other
foot Fergie would be defending his player untill the deatrh, like he did with Cantona..
Shame on Fergie to be sticking his red nose in other clubs problems.

Is that the Cantona who was suspended for 6 months and fined by United, and who accepted his punsishment (as did United when the FA extended the ban), without pleading his innocence?

That's correct Hoggy, I was just about to make that point myself, I can't recall the exact length of ban Manchester United gave Eric Cantona but I'm sure it was for the rest of the 94/95 season which effectively cost them the league that year (which Kenny ironically benefitted from)

I know Cantona was banned until September but I'm unsure if that was an FA ban or not, I'm positive Man U banned him for the rest of the season

I'm not suggesting Suarez should get the same treatment however in the interests of fair debate it should be pointed out than Alex Ferguson and Manchester United have a history of dealing with a star player when he acts in a way that isn't befitting of a club of that stature

So when Evra ran right in front of Suarez to celebrate with THAT particular set of fans he wasnt trying to wind anyone up....yeah right.

And thats why the ref pulled him out the way.

GeordieFalcon wrote:So when Evra ran right in front of Suarez to celebrate with THAT particular set of fans he wasnt trying to wind anyone up....yeah right.

And thats why the ref pulled him out the way.

I'm sure Evra was trying to wind Suarez up.
After being racially abused by him,having been called, more or less, a lier by Suarez and Liverpool, having been booed unmercifully at Anfield and having had his attempt to draw a line under the matter chucked back in his face, despite assurances that that wouldn't happen, I don't really blame him though.

"What's wrong with celebrating in front of your own fans!!!"

typical ignorant Utd response!!

If there was nothing wrong why did the referee feel the need to grab him?????

So what is wrong with celebrating in front of your own fans Truss or you just jumping on the media bandwagon?

Its not the celebrating in front of fans....its the fact he ran right over in front of Suarez and celebrated with that exact section of fans....asking for touble that...

And what? Does Suarez deserve extra special treatment for being banned for racism?

Ian Ayre, managing director of Liverpool Football Club wrote:Ayre said: ‘We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra. He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand.

I'm just wondering if the Liverpool fans who defended Suarez so strongly over the racism allegations still think that he was telling the truth. After all, if he can mislead his club over a simple handshake, then there's a good chance he mislead them about Evra's racial allegations.

Two wrongs don't make a right. From a neutral perspective, my viewpoint

Suarez started this by abusing Evra, he consequently got banned for 8 weeks.

In the recent ManU vs Liverpool match before the game, Evra offered to shake Suarez's hand. Suarez refused to acknowledge Evra's presence.

Suarez had a golden opportunity to put this controversial saga behind ManU and Liverpool. He did not take this opportunity. Suarez is at fault for carrying on this story.

Evra should not have added fuel to the fire with his celebration but it was Suarez who could have put this issue to bed.

Instead Suarez and Evra are damaging the reputations of their respective clubs and any shred of credibility football believes it has.


Will the panto end?

As a Man Utd fan Im slightly disappointed in the club accepting the apologies from Liverpool as at no point has anyone from Liverpool apologised for calling Patrice Evra a liar and for their fans booing a victim of racial abuse. Suarez is yet to accept his punishment or to apologise to Evra for abusing him or refusing to shake his hand he has simply, after being told too, apologised for letting the manager and the club down

LFC as a whole has acted pretty poorly in regards to the incident from Kenny Dalgish questioning whether Evra had previous 'for doing this kind of thing' to those idiotic t shirts and the handshake on Saturday.

If Liverpool fans had bothered to read at least the first few pages of the FAs brief on the hearing they would see why Suarez was found guilty. Evras evidence was clear and matched up with the evidence where as Suarezs original statement didnt and when video evidence contradicted it he changed his story and when further evidence was given contradicting that account he changed it yet again.

To continually call Evra a liar and abuse him for telling the truth is taking club loyalty to a whole other level. Rio Ferdinand refused to shake Suarezs hand as he lost all repect for him when he didnt shake Evras.

As for Evra celebrating he clearly was trying to wind up Suarez as in the replays you can see him spot Suarez and head in that direction but after being abused called and liar and disrespected it is understandable on a human level yet he let himself down on a professional one as he had the oppurtunity to come away as clearly the better man until that point

For me, Evra had every right to celebrate. Victim of racial abuse and a smear campaign from Suarez and Liverpool, ignored by Suarez as if he is the one who is done wrong and booed at Anfield for having the balls to stand up to the vile and disgusting comments and actions of Suarez.

Celebrating is not against the rules, racism is...

johnson2 wrote:For me, Evra had every right to celebrate. Victim of racial abuse and a smear campaign from Suarez and Liverpool, ignored by Suarez as if he is the one who is done wrong and booed at Anfield for having the balls to stand up to the vile and disgusting comments and actions of Suarez.

Celebrating is not against the rules, racism is...

I have to disagree it was bad sportmanship its built into the ethos of the club MUFC although widely dispised in the PL years they/we have never been smug or arrogant when winning and like I said I can understand it just think he would be better served if he had walked away or at least tried again to shake Suarezs hand and showed a bit more class

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:For me, Evra had every right to celebrate. Victim of racial abuse and a smear campaign from Suarez and Liverpool, ignored by Suarez as if he is the one who is done wrong and booed at Anfield for having the balls to stand up to the vile and disgusting comments and actions of Suarez.

Celebrating is not against the rules, racism is...

I have to disagree it was bad sportmanship its built into the ethos of the club MUFC although widely dispised in the PL years they/we have never been smug or arrogant when winning and like I said I can understand it just think he would be better served if he had walked away or at least tried again to shake Suarezs hand and showed a bit more class

Na, Evra has done everything right, offered his hand and generally handled the whole thing professionally.

He was obviously happy with the victory and had every right to show it. The fact that Suarez was next to him does not matter. He had been around the whole ground. Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

Disagree. Does he not have a right to celebrate in front of his fans?

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

Disagree. Does he not have a right to celebrate in front of his fans?

Of course he does but he choose to do it in front of Suarez which was wrong and inflammatory

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

Disagree. Does he not have a right to celebrate in front of his fans?

Of course he does but he choose to do it in front of Suarez which was wrong and inflammatory

How. Evra is the victim here. He is allowed to celebrate. Are you suggesting victims should not be allowed to express their joy incase they upset the offender?

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

Disagree. Does he not have a right to celebrate in front of his fans?

Of course he does but he choose to do it in front of Suarez which was wrong and inflammatory

How. Evra is the victim here. He is allowed to celebrate. Are you suggesting victims should not be allowed to express their joy incase they upset the offender?

He did it to wind up Suarez stop being blinkered by the whole thing watch the replays of it all

He has a responsibility as captain to be restrained and dignified even SAF said he was wrong to do it

Johnson look at this way. By doing what he did Evra could have caused a riot, simple as that. It was inflamitory and deliberate. You're even arguing with a United fan who said he was in the wrong. Jesus as Marty says take the blinkers off.

Oh and I'll refer to the Terry case further, nobody has mentioned the Chelsea fans booing Ferdinand in the QPR game after he reported Terry, but when the Liverpool fans do it, all the press and fans want to have a moan.

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:Why are people only complaining when he went next to his racist abuser?

If you watch the replays he was celebrating with Rio then saw Suarez and headed that way it was over the top and unnessacery

Disagree. Does he not have a right to celebrate in front of his fans?

Of course he does but he choose to do it in front of Suarez which was wrong and inflammatory

How. Evra is the victim here. He is allowed to celebrate. Are you suggesting victims should not be allowed to express their joy incase they upset the offender?

He did it to wind up Suarez stop being blinkered by the whole thing watch the replays of it all

He has a responsibility as captain to be restrained and dignified even SAF said he was wrong to do it

SAF is wrong...

He was celebrating around Suarez (by they tunnel they all have to go down). He has every right to celebrate. You would think Evra is in the wrong.

hampo171 wrote:Johnson look at this way. By doing what he did Evra could have caused a riot, simple as that. It was inflamitory and deliberate. You're even arguing with a United fan who said he was in the wrong. Jesus as Marty says take the blinkers off.

A riot... do me a favour.

Between who exactly. A bunch of posturing footballers who couldn't fight there way out of a paper bag.

They were not even next to the away fans.

Are you telling me that every fan in the stadium didn't see what happened? Smaller incidents have started fights after games that could easily have blown up in to very ugly scenes. As IG said earlier this is why I rarely venture in to the football forums, people will defend until they're blue in the face even when said person has done something daft. Even when a United fan and the United manager says he was wrong to do it you still defend him, someone would think you're doing it for a laugh.

Firstly I want to point out I'm not defending Suarez's actions in any way.

Sir Alex said 'Suarez refusing to shake hands could have caused a riot'
How many fans in the ground saw that incident and how many saw Evra's celebrations?
I'd say 3/4 of the fans wouldn't have been able to see Suarez not shake Evra's hand whereas everyone in the ground would have been able to see Evra's over the top celebrations.
Which incident, if any, is more likely to cause a riot?
If Suarez had shook hands and Evra had still celebrated the way he did would he still have done nothing wrong?
Is there any difference in what Evra did and Neil Lennon walking the length of the pitch to applaud Celtic fans after an Old Firm game and subsequently getting into trouble with the SFA?

hampo171 wrote:Are you telling me that every fan in the stadium didn't see what happened? Smaller incidents have started fights after games that could easily have blown up in to very ugly scenes. As IG said earlier this is why I rarely venture in to the football forums, people will defend until they're blue in the face even when said person has done something daft. Even when a United fan and the United manager says he was wrong to do it you still defend him, someone would think you're doing it for a laugh.

Ah well, if a Utd fan said it then it must be true...

People are allowed opinions. I happen to think Evra celebrating is a perfectly acceptable action given the set of circumstances. If a player (or fans) cannot contol themselves when presented with such a situation then it says more about them that anything else.

Charles N'zogbia held his hand to his ear when Villa scored at Newcastle, Steven Gerrard celebrated briefly in front of the Newcastle fans when hie scored at Anfield.

Fact of the matter is what Evra done is not against any rules. He merely celebrated by his own fans for what was a very important game. The same as all the Newcastle players done at the Stadium of Plight this year when we beat S*nderland.

I don't here for public executions in this case.

Lets assume someone is guilty of a crime and the victim celebrates when they are punished, should the be vilified for this in case it upsets the victim. No, absolutely not.

braveheart101 wrote:Firstly I want to point out I'm not defending Suarez's actions in any way.

Sir Alex said 'Suarez refusing to shake hands could have caused a riot'
How many fans in the ground saw that incident and how many saw Evra's celebrations?
I'd say 3/4 of the fans wouldn't have been able to see Suarez not shake Evra's hand whereas everyone in the ground would have been able to see Evra's over the top celebrations.
Which incident, if any, is more likely to cause a riot?
If Suarez had shook hands and Evra had still celebrated the way he did would he still have done nothing wrong?
Is there any difference in what Evra did and Neil Lennon walking the length of the pitch to applaud Celtic fans after an Old Firm game and subsequently getting into trouble with the SFA?

A riot, really. This is not Egypt.

braveheart101 wrote:Firstly I want to point out I'm not defending Suarez's actions in any way.

Sir Alex said 'Suarez refusing to shake hands could have caused a riot'
How many fans in the ground saw that incident and how many saw Evra's celebrations?
I'd say 3/4 of the fans wouldn't have been able to see Suarez not shake Evra's hand whereas everyone in the ground would have been able to see Evra's over the top celebrations.
Which incident, if any, is more likely to cause a riot?
If Suarez had shook hands and Evra had still celebrated the way he did would he still have done nothing wrong?
Is there any difference in what Evra did and Neil Lennon walking the length of the pitch to applaud Celtic fans after an Old Firm game and subsequently getting into trouble with the SFA?

braveheart using the SFA as a barometer for right and wrong isnt exactly a good idea considering how useless and inconsistent they are

Maybe not but the point is what's the difference between what Lennon did and what Evra did. Both happened after 1 of the biggest games in their respective leagues but 1 is acceptable and 1 is not.
Are the FA any better than the SFA after the way they have handled certain situations recently?

The whole affair has been quite dreadful for football. Practically everyone has come out of it badly. Even the belated apologies-all-round stuff from Liverpool on Sunday smacked of expediency, with owners fearing a sponsors' backlash and damage to their shareholdings.
Twould loved to have seen Suarez and Dalglish's faces when they were forced into their mea culpas. Sadly, SAF and Evra have hardly covered themselves with glory, either.

sirfredperry wrote:The whole affair has been quite dreadful for football. Practically everyone has come out of it badly. Even the belated apologies-all-round stuff from Liverpool on Sunday smacked of expediency, with owners fearing a sponsors' backlash and damage to their shareholdings.
Twould loved to have seen Suarez and Dalglish's faces when they were forced into their mea culpas. Sadly, SAF and Evra have hardly covered themselves with glory, either.

Have to disagree with you on the SAF and Evra comments I think until full time on Saturday Evra had handled himself well and SAF has done nothing wrong. I think his post match comments about Suarez come from his respect for LFC. He kept quiet throughout the whole shambles including when Dalgish stopped short of calling Evraa liar he let the FA take care of everything as he didnt want to be seen as influencing the proceedings