Draft Discussion... why did you make that pick ?

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Let us know why you made that pick, post here a few lines to explain that all important 1st pick.

Was hoping to take DeCastro at 14, but it the chiefs reached for him at #12, so like any good GM I looked at the top 100 players to take the BPA it was a toss up between Trent Richardson who is ranked 3rd and Kuechly who is ranked 9th.

I think the cowboys are set at RB at least for another season but we do need cover at ILB albeit as a secondary need, nut Kuechly is too good to pass up at #14 a tackling machine he will pair well with Sean Lee and solidify the middle of the field

Should add that I took DeCastro because good guards are hard to come by and he is one of the best to come out in years. Jamaal charles should be back and he can create lanes for him. Like maxwell, I would have taken a tackle if their was any value in doing so

Seeing as I had been planning on taking Kuechly for the Eagles, I will have to re think my strategy. Am open to any trades, will make my pick tomorrow afternoon if I don't get any offers

#09: CAR-Quinton Coples, DE, UNC
#10: BUF-Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
#11: MIN-Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
#12: KC-David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
#13: ARZ-Melvin Ingram, LB, South Carolina
#14: DAL-Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

Julius Peppers, 2nd overall pick in 2002
Mario Williams, 1st overall pick in 2006
Chris Long, 2nd overall pick in 2008

Physically Quinton Coples compares favourably to the above draft picks with a 6’6, 280lbs frame, long arms measured at 33” at the Senior Bowl. He’s got length, strength and looks to have speed as well, his 40 time and 10 yard split at the Combine will tells us more about how fast/explosive he is. The big red flag and risk with Coples is that his production dipped in 2011 and according to a report from Draft Insider people inside North Carolina said he was coasting and “playing not to get injured” in preparation for the draft. He turned it on again at the Senior Bowl but he wasn’t always facing off against top competition. Many NFL player evaluators and scouts have said some of their biggest mistakes have been made when watching players perform in AS games and putting too much stock into that week. Speculation is that Coples might slip in the draft, if he puts up big numbers at the Combine I doubt he falls too far if at all, some team will take a chance unless he disappoints in the interviews. Combine interviews will be very important for him.

Buffalo are desperate for someone to rush the passer but I like the Riley Reiff pick. It’s not as big of a need as a pass rusher, not even close, but Demetrius Bell is a free agent and I think Reiff is pretty good value at this point in the draft. Some NFL scouts have suggested that they believe Reiff is actually the OT with most upside in the draft, although scouts will say all sorts in the lead up to the draft in order to big up some players and hope for others to fall.

David DeCastro at #12 might have been a very slight reach but it really depends on how you value interior OL. If he’d made it to #15 (obviously no chance of that happening in this draft) I would have tried to trade up for him, one of the few players in this draft I would have traded up for.

bambamwillis wrote:Seeing as I had been planning on taking Kuechly for the Eagles, I will have to re think my strategy. Am open to any trades, will make my pick tomorrow afternoon if I don't get any offers

Could you do the Eagles early afternoon as i'm next up after you and chomping at the bit...

twelve283 wrote:#09: CAR-Quinton Coples, DE, UNC
#10: BUF-Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
#11: MIN-Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
#12: KC-David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
#13: ARZ-Melvin Ingram, LB, South Carolina
#14: DAL-Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

Julius Peppers, 2nd overall pick in 2002
Mario Williams, 1st overall pick in 2006
Chris Long, 2nd overall pick in 2008

Physically Quinton Coples compares favourably to the above draft picks with a 6’6, 280lbs frame, long arms measured at 33” at the Senior Bowl. He’s got length, strength and looks to have speed as well, his 40 time and 10 yard split at the Combine will tells us more about how fast/explosive he is. The big red flag and risk with Coples is that his production dipped in 2011 and according to a report from Draft Insider people inside North Carolina said he was coasting and “playing not to get injured” in preparation for the draft. He turned it on again at the Senior Bowl but he wasn’t always facing off against top competition. Many NFL player evaluators and scouts have said some of their biggest mistakes have been made when watching players perform in AS games and putting too much stock into that week. Speculation is that Coples might slip in the draft, if he puts up big numbers at the Combine I doubt he falls too far if at all, some team will take a chance unless he disappoints in the interviews. Combine interviews will be very important for him.

Yeah, like I say, I'm not mad about the Coples pick but I think if the draft unfolds the way this one has then the Panthers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I've got their biggest needs pegged as CB, DT and WR but all the players available at those positions in our draft when Carolina was on the clock would have been reaches at that point. Coples would certainly upgrade their D-Line in a division where rushing the passer is vital IF he can stay motivated. I'd take the chance that his Senior year "blip" (his stats actually aren't that bad and he did still lead the team in sacks etc) was just that - a blip. He's got tremendous physical attributes so all the tools are there to let him be successful if he wants to be. Will be up to the coaches and other players to make sure he's motivated to do well for them. I got the impression from Newton last year that he is a leader who is ready to set the bar high on how he expects his teamates to play and won't suffer fools gladly. Hopefully that will elevate the play of others.... including Coples. The other thing that a motivated Coples would do is aid the development of Fua and McLain who the Panthers desperately need to come good this year.

TM Moot wrote:

bambamwillis wrote:Seeing as I had been planning on taking Kuechly for the Eagles, I will have to re think my strategy. Am open to any trades, will make my pick tomorrow afternoon if I don't get any offers

Could you do the Eagles early afternoon as i'm next up after you and chomping at the bit...

There you go mate, all done!

I'm surprised to see Brockers still on the board, he looks to be a very talented player with many of the "experts" rating him as a top 10 pick, possibly going to the Panthers. He is very raw, as he is only a redshirt sophomore, but I have read a few reports which think he could be on a similar talent level to Gerald McCoy and Ndamukong Suh. For the Eagles, I wanted to select Kuechly, and also considered one of the top receivers with DeSean Jackson rumoured to be leaving in free agency. I might have taken a receiver instead if he does leave, but for now I think the talent level with Brockers is too good to pass up. A defensive line of Cole-Jenkins-Brockers-Babin looks very good to me, with DRC and Asomugha in the secondary, and a linebacker like Tulloch from the Lions coming in free agency, this defence looks pretty strong.

Should have added that I also considered Devon Still but Brockers looks to be ahead at the moment

Awww was just about to offer you a trade for the same guy. :/

The NYJ's went for Floyd.

Was hoping Martin or Decastro would drop to 16th, but nevermind.

Floyd gives Sanchez a new weapon. Holmes (off?) and Burress (old) scored 8 TD's each, the rest of the WR's only got a couple between them.

Did consider Devon Still (BAP?), Mike Adams and Mark Barron (bit of a reach at 16 perhaps).

Ah TM I was working on trading up to pick Floyd for the Ravens. I like the look of him, feel he could be very good in the nfl. Sadly you got there first .

Sorry Barney, if i only i knew!!

On some draft boards Floyd was a top 10 pick, so happy to get him at 16.

I was another looking at possible trade up for Floyd

I know it's a little early but I just want to make it known that I'm interested in trading down in the 2nd round. My Panthers have no 3rd round pick so am interested in turning my high 2nd round pick - which should be the 8th pick of the round - into a lower 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. Obviously I'd be looking to chuck in a late round pick of my own if need be to make the weight.

Just putting this out there, I may be looking to trade back out of my 1st round pick (#25) to the front of the 2nd round, feel free to pm me any offers

f you are looking to trade down in the 2nd number, I'd give you the niners 2nd and 4th round pick.I could give you a 6 as well maybe

I guess I should drop you a PM miner to chat a possible trade. Keep yer eyes peeled for one!

Sorry niner! Sending these posts from my phone and predictive text changed your username to "miner" in the last one!!

Ah don't worry about it TM. I'll forgive you, this time.

Went with Adams, as he has huge potential and the Chargers o-tackles were both very suspect last year, his addition should help keep Rivers upright more often in the coming years.

not what i expected from cincinatti or the chargers but really good picks

in fact, I did expect glenn to the bengals

We could need two new starting guards next season so Glenn comes and should start immediately. A tackle in college his best position will be guard in the pro's.

niner wrote:in fact, I did expect glenn to the bengals

I expected Cincinnati to run straight towards Janoris Jenkins because he is such a Bengal!

Exactly what I was thinking dave, that along with the fact joseph is gone an leon hall cming off a serious injury.


Glenn should be a good guard, not quite as hyped as DeCastro but may be almost as good

Number-25 wrote:I know it's a little early but I just want to make it known that I'm interested in trading down in the 2nd round. My Panthers have no 3rd round pick so am interested in turning my high 2nd round pick - which should be the 8th pick of the round - into a lower 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. Obviously I'd be looking to chuck in a late round pick of my own if need be to make the weight.

Similar to niner, I would be willing to make a trade with the Texans 2nd/3rd rounders to move up, but depending on how the first round turns out

twelve283 wrote:Awww was just about to offer you a trade for the same guy. :/

I was kind of expecting an offer from you or maybe the Packers once Brockers fell down to 15, was planning on getting the pick in later but TM Moot asked for it earlier!

If I hadn't had taken Brockers, Floyd would have been my pick for the Eagles, think he could be a real steal

Really happy to pick up Peter Kronz at 20 for the Titans, centre is our no1 priority and to pick up the best centre in the draft should see a significant boost to the Titans questionable interior.

bambamwillis wrote:was planning on getting the pick in later but TM Moot asked for it earlier!

i was at work and bored, what more can i say...

I had been hoping to make roughly the same trade but to pick up Floyd instead of Wright, wasn't sure about trading up to get Wright as I hoped he could fall to me but when the Jets took Floyd I felt I had to trade up to make sure I didn't miss out on Wright and pretty happy with the price. Pretty good first round for the Browns wouldn't complain if it was who they take, but they'll probably choose Blackmon over Claiborne.

bambamwillis wrote:

twelve283 wrote:Awww was just about to offer you a trade for the same guy. :/

I was kind of expecting an offer from you or maybe the Packers once Brockers fell down to 15, was planning on getting the pick in later but TM Moot asked for it earlier!

No way was I moving up that far!

Derbyblue wrote:I had been hoping to make roughly the same trade but to pick up Floyd instead of Wright, wasn't sure about trading up to get Wright as I hoped he could fall to me but when the Jets took Floyd I felt I had to trade up to make sure I didn't miss out on Wright and pretty happy with the price. Pretty good first round for the Browns wouldn't complain if it was who they take, but they'll probably choose Blackmon over Claiborne.

Now the question will be can Colt McCoy make good enough use of Wright's speed given his label as more a "short" passer rather than a proper vertical threat. I think Wright is okay value at 19, more so given the Browns needs at receiver having passed on Blackmon.
The price wasn't that steep, though not sure that the Bengals or Titans would have gone in at receiver ahead of you. Obviously trade ups would have been a danger but I might have hung tight and settled for a receiver at the top of round 2 if Wright got nabbed from under your nose.

crazy_dave23 wrote:

Derbyblue wrote:I had been hoping to make roughly the same trade but to pick up Floyd instead of Wright, wasn't sure about trading up to get Wright as I hoped he could fall to me but when the Jets took Floyd I felt I had to trade up to make sure I didn't miss out on Wright and pretty happy with the price. Pretty good first round for the Browns wouldn't complain if it was who they take, but they'll probably choose Blackmon over Claiborne.

Now the question will be can Colt McCoy make good enough use of Wright's speed given his label as more a "short" passer rather than a proper vertical threat. I think Wright is okay value at 19, more so given the Browns needs at receiver having passed on Blackmon.
The price wasn't that steep, though not sure that the Bengals or Titans would have gone in at receiver ahead of you. Obviously trade ups would have been a danger but I might have hung tight and settled for a receiver at the top of round 2 if Wright got nabbed from under your nose.

It's a good question but McCoy made quite good use of Norwood towards the end of the season and Wright has played in the slot previously meaning he has plenty of uses not just the fast deep threat, addition of another genuine threat helps Little's development who with Massquoi healthy SHOULD give McCoy some reliable options. Was just a worry about him being snapped up by someone, and for the cost of the Falcons 4th rounder it was acceptable to prevent it happening. Now I need to work out my priorities for the next round.

Reasons for the trade:

My draft board is quite small as the Patriots have very specific requirements when it comes to most positions. Hightower was the last really dynamic, game changing type player on my board apart from one other I am on the fence about as I’m not 100% convinced he’s a fit in NE. I felt there were a couple of teams picking before me who might target Hightower. I didn’t want to be left in the position of selecting a player I didn’t think was good value, especially in the first round.

As for the pick itself, I rate Hightower as the #1 LB in the draft and when I missed out on Michael Brockers I felt he was the last impact player in the first round who fits the Patriots defense. He’s got size, strength, versatility, lined up at ILB, OLB and as a DE on passing downs. He does most things well, read and react, coverage, very good run defender, sheds blocks well, good tackler, has the size to beat NFL OL, blitz/rush from DE, he’s the kind of player you could move around a defense and utilise in different ways, has potential to be a 3 down player IMO.

Derbyblue wrote:I had been hoping to make roughly the same trade but to pick up Floyd instead of Wright, wasn't sure about trading up to get Wright as I hoped he could fall to me but when the Jets took Floyd I felt I had to trade up to make sure I didn't miss out on Wright and pretty happy with the price. Pretty good first round for the Browns wouldn't complain if it was who they take, but they'll probably choose Blackmon over Claiborne.

Surely Kendall Wright would be a better draft if the Browns, having traded their 4th and 37th picks to the Rams, got Robert Griffin III?

I know a little about the Bears from a distance, I know they have 3 needs, O/L but to draft one here would be a reach, WR, the top 2 prospects were gone, however, it's a deep class so a quality WR could be had in the later rounds.

However, to my pick Whitney Mercilius allows the Bears too what they are known for and that is a formidable defence, a lot pf pressure is on their main pass rush Peppers, Mercillius is a home state boy which means a lot to the Bears plus posted some great records in College 9 forced fumbles and over 16 sacks, this might not sound much but Mercilius is a junior entering the draft

NFL MIKE wrote:

Derbyblue wrote:I had been hoping to make roughly the same trade but to pick up Floyd instead of Wright, wasn't sure about trading up to get Wright as I hoped he could fall to me but when the Jets took Floyd I felt I had to trade up to make sure I didn't miss out on Wright and pretty happy with the price. Pretty good first round for the Browns wouldn't complain if it was who they take, but they'll probably choose Blackmon over Claiborne.

Surely Kendall Wright would be a better draft if the Browns, having traded their 4th and 37th picks to the Rams, got Robert Griffin III?

Yes that would add more value to the Wright pick, but I didn't want to move up to get RGIII.

Leedscowboys you didn't actually post your pick you just edited it into the original post.

Olly,

I have sent you a trade offer for the Steelers Pick.
Looking to get a pick in before I go on holiday!

crazy_dave23 wrote:Looking to get a pick in before I go on holiday!

I understand you want to get your pick in but if you can't work a trade or Pr4wn hasn't gone you can send me or Leeds or Pr4wn you're picks ranked and we can pick for you.

Yes I will be doing so at say 10:30 / 11 tonight if I haven't got a trade sorted.

Will send it to all of you.

That said my message wont leave the "outbox" section and go into the "sentbox"... does the other person have to read it for that to happen?

crazy_dave23 wrote:Yes I will be doing so at say 10:30 / 11 tonight if I haven't got a trade sorted.

Will send it to all of you.

That said my message wont leave the "outbox" section and go into the "sentbox"... does the other person have to read it for that to happen?

Yes, when it's been read it moves to the sentbox.

Crazy_dave23's explanation of the Green Bay pick:
Perfect replacement for someone like Cullen Jenkins to help with the pass rush. Good athletic talent which could even mean an OLB slot, though i'm projecting as a 3-4 end.

bambam, just sent you a trade proposal

I'm pleased with Devon Still although I really would have liked to trade back. There's a guy I want at the start of the 2nd but the trade fell through when that USC DE went the pick before me

does anyone at all want my 30th pick

If anyone wants the 26th pick you have an hour to PM me, I will be picking before 7pm

i had 4 guys I was considering at 30 if I stay put and now I have 3

Have been going back and forth between 3 players trying to decide who to take in the first round, I wanted to trade up but the players I would have traded for went a few picks earlier than I expected (Floyd/Wright). Then was trying to trade down to have the opportunity to possibly draft 2 of the 3, but no one took the bait. Happy enough with the pick, I have seen a few of Sanu's highlights and he looks to have good skills, his 40 time is being questioned but if he runs well this could be good value as I think he will impress at the combine

niner wrote:i had 4 guys I was considering at 30 if I stay put and now I have 3

Assuming that was Sanu, I think he could be a very good pick for the 49ers, will be interested to see how his draft stock changes over the next few weeks

I was surprised Still was still there this late, and actually considered trading back up to get him. He might not be on the level of Suh or Fairley, but at 25 he's great value. As for Sanu: good prospect, I'm just not sure he can make the immediate impact to justify a first round pick.