Welsh team vs England discussion

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Right then, a somewhat unconvincing first half performance, but came out firing in the 2nd, personally I thought Shingler did alright coming in as a late replacement, but he is no 7, if it were up to me I'd have him at 6 if anywhere.

I thought our back line played pretty well today, even Hook showing nice hands if sometimes a bit indecisive.

Hopefully North, Warburton and Tipuric will be fit for the next match, so who would you keep and who would you drop?

maestegmafia wrote:Considering the situation England are in, sort of reinvention rather than, building, by the look of it, then as a fan you should not be dispondent should they lose. In fact of I were you I would be more dispondent about winning by the oppositions callous mistakes twice in a row while playing little rugby yourselves. It papers over the cracks, something many England fans have been all too aware of for nearly ten years.

I think England are less likely to take risks than Ireland or Scotland, that will limit Wales. But on current form Wales look like they should be able to win by ten points at Twickenham. If they don't either England will have improved dramatically or Wales will have let themselves down. This welsh side is a very good rugby team.

HERSH, you should do the mature thing and agree that Wales are a decent side that if England can beat them, it will prove this England team may have a bright future.

The post you are currently writing are rather pathetic.

Sometimes you can only play to the conditions and the situation, Scotland and Italy away is a tough ask for a new group of players and coaches, If England had gone to these places and attempted to throw the ball around then in all honestly they wouldn't be joint top of the 6 nations table, you're a so called rugby fan you should know this!

To bad mouth England when they are two from two is rather pathetic, yes they scored two charge downs but that is down to the pressure that they were applying to these teams to cause them to panic in defence, the two tries conceded to Italy was poor but fair play to Italy for taking their chances at this level.

I think at home England will be a different story with Manu back and hopefully a scrum half that deserves the starting No9 shirt England will cause Wales problems as there are a few cracks in their play.

But feel free to keep bad mouthing English rugby, England and it's people.

Wales are in a lose lose situation, if we lose to England its because they are a superior team, if we win its because the referees gave us some key decisions which dramatically influenced the game.

IronMike wrote:Wales are in a lose lose situation, if we lose to England its because they are a superior team, if we win its because the referees gave us some key decisions which dramatically influenced the game.

If that's presented as the reasons don't go blaming the observers. They only see what the refs can't see. The truth is that 'referees gave some key decisions which dramatically influenced games.' Blaming the ref? No. Blaming Welsh players? No. Facts are facts. If Wales win handsomely with no controversal ref decisions, most people will say they were the superior team.

I thought England's win over Scotland was more impressive than Wales. Firstly England were away, and the game was outside in the open in dire weather. It was the first game together under a new coach. And England hadn't won away in Scotland for some considerable time. Monkey off the back. England's defense was far better than Wales and we don't have a glaring weakness in a key set piece.

This is probably why Australia can't buy a win against England, but regularly paste Wales.

SecretFly wrote:

IronMike wrote:Wales are in a lose lose situation, if we lose to England its because they are a superior team, if we win its because the referees gave us some key decisions which dramatically influenced the game.

If that's presented as the reasons don't go blaming the observers. They only see what the refs can't see. The truth is that 'referees gave some key decisions which dramatically influenced games.' Blaming the ref? No. Blaming Welsh players? No. Facts are facts. If Wales win handsomely with no controversal ref decisions, most people will say they were the superior team.

I was being sarcastic, given the reaction to certain posters of Wales' results of late, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the rest of the tournament, if we beat England - great, if we don't we move on.

How many current Englishers would get in the current Team Cymru? Tom Palmer?

That's about it.

miteyironpaw wrote:I thought England's win over Scotland was more impressive than Wales. Firstly England were away, and the game was outside in the open in dire weather. It was the first game together under a new coach. And England hadn't won away in Scotland for some considerable time. Monkey off the back. England's defense was far better than Wales and we don't have a glaring weakness in a key set piece.

This is probably why Australia can't buy a win against England, but regularly paste Wales.

Except your lineout is as flaky as the Welsh' 3 lost on your own throw on saturday. As for your defence thats a joke, you missed 16 first up tackles and conceded 9 linebreaks against the Scots, You even conceded threee linebreaks to an Italian side determined to kick as much possession as possible. On top of that you conceded two soft tries through incompetence under minimal pressure from the Italians defence. In your two games you have conjured precisely 2 linebreaks. Your backline has created exactly no tries. Two chargedowns have won you games. The reality is Englands setpiece is as flaky as Wales in the line and weaker in the scrum. Your defence is porus and your offence non existant. You have a kicker who is ice cool but penalties wont win you this game and Wales are unlikely to give you a chargedown.

Tycroes, did you have to say that about the chargedown! I might as well go to the bookies now and see what odds I can get on 3 in a row!

SubsBench wrote:Tycroes, did you have to say that about the chargedown! I might as well go to the bookies now and see what odds I can get on 3 in a row!

Dai Tryin wrote:Waht is this myth/excuse that this is a new England side...apart from the coaching set up its the same team bar one or two new faces. So please do me a favour and stop telling us that they did well in the last two games given that this is a new side bedding in bla blah!

There are four guys on only a couple of caps and no JW in the England. I think you make a valid point.

TycroesOsprey wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:I thought England's win over Scotland was more impressive than Wales. Firstly England were away, and the game was outside in the open in dire weather. It was the first game together under a new coach. And England hadn't won away in Scotland for some considerable time. Monkey off the back. England's defense was far better than Wales and we don't have a glaring weakness in a key set piece.

This is probably why Australia can't buy a win against England, but regularly paste Wales.

Except your lineout is as flaky as the Welsh' 3 lost on your own throw on saturday. As for your defence thats a joke, you missed 16 first up tackles and conceded 9 linebreaks against the Scots, You even conceded threee linebreaks to an Italian side determined to kick as much possession as possible. On top of that you conceded two soft tries through incompetence under minimal pressure from the Italians defence. In your two games you have conjured precisely 2 linebreaks. Your backline has created exactly no tries. Two chargedowns have won you games. The reality is Englands setpiece is as flaky as Wales in the line and weaker in the scrum. Your defence is porus and your offence non existant. You have a kicker who is ice cool but penalties wont win you this game and Wales are unlikely to give you a chargedown.

Wow!!! Are you the Welsh video analysist, Tycroes? Boy, when you guys watch rugby, you watch rugby! On that evidence, I'd suggest the English players go on holidays that weekend and that Wales e-mail in their win to ERC head-office forthwith

luckless_pedestrian wrote:

SubsBench wrote:Tycroes, did you have to say that about the chargedown! I might as well go to the bookies now and see what odds I can get on 3 in a row!

Do it! Only if its a couple of quid. Preistland did look quite slow kicking the ball away on Sun...

Priestland is the weak link IMO he looked well of the pace, plus he can't tackle.

The key for RP now is to wait for the rushing CH and just dummy the kick and set the backs alight - Simples

maestegmafia wrote:

Dai Tryin wrote:Waht is this myth/excuse that this is a new England side...apart from the coaching set up its the same team bar one or two new faces. So please do me a favour and stop telling us that they did well in the last two games given that this is a new side bedding in bla blah!

There are four guys on only a couple of caps and no JW in the England. I think you make a valid point.

come on maes, being objective, there are a few more changes, and in key areas at that. Back row and centres. And thats ignoring the guys who came off the bench like Morgan and Dickson. It affects the whole team which effectively has to play as a new entity. Give them a bit of time. I think (and apologies if I'm wrong) that you said they would lose to Scotalnd, then Italy. Well they didnt and you could at least acknowledge that. Honestly it wouldnt do you any harm. Give it a go.

Wales admittedly are looking good and undoubtedly a different level to Italy and Scotland, but we did you away last season and remind of your record at twickenham....

We have been shaky in the last two games but Welsh glee at this does a frankly rude disservice to Italy and Scotland. I guess you would keep all those losses your side has had to Italy over a scrappy win instead?

HERSH wrote:Priestland is the weak link IMO he looked well of the pace, plus he can't tackle.

Or kick. It's a liability for a team to need to include two guys to do one job.

Its more of a liability to have a player in the team just to take the pots at goal and nothing else 'cos his da'ds the coach -

At least Farrell has won some silverware with Sarries, what has Preistland done?

Also this is only speculation, but if North is out what the Fck has lee (high foot) Byrne done to deserve a recall?

What has Priestland done? It's a pity you missed the RWC, should've heard the rave reviews about him - Sounds like you're a bit afraid of Byrne as well Those nerves starting to jangle a bit - silverware

Go easy on the emoticons Guby. Its amazing how happy a 4th place finish has made you! You are out dancing the kiwi's (who actually won the cup!).

damngoodOvalball wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Dai Tryin wrote:Waht is this myth/excuse that this is a new England side...apart from the coaching set up its the same team bar one or two new faces. So please do me a favour and stop telling us that they did well in the last two games given that this is a new side bedding in bla blah!

There are four guys on only a couple of caps and no JW in the England. I think you make a valid point.

come on maes, being objective, there are a few more changes, and in key areas at that. Back row and centres. And thats ignoring the guys who came off the bench like Morgan and Dickson. It affects the whole team which effectively has to play as a new entity. Give them a bit of time. I think (and apologies if I'm wrong) that you said they would lose to Scotalnd, then Italy. Well they didnt and you could at least acknowledge that. Honestly it wouldnt do you any harm. Give it a go.

Wales admittedly are looking good and undoubtedly a different level to Italy and Scotland, but we did you away last season and remind of your record at twickenham....

We have been shaky in the last two games but Welsh glee at this does a frankly rude disservice to Italy and Scotland. I guess you would keep all those losses your side has had to Italy over a scrappy win instead?

England have had to change there centre and backrow but I would certainly not come to any conclusion that there is improvement. They are missing five decent players, Lawes, tuilagi, care, flood and Haskell. If those guys come in and make a difference. But watching England's last two performances they look like they have a lot more work to do than Wales, Ireland, Scotland or France.

Home advantage will be a big bonus, but over the last three or even four games vs Wales England have regressed Wales have improved.

Anyone seriously stating that they are confident that England will win any of their last three games is on the wind up.

RubyGuby wrote:What has Priestland done? It's a pity you missed the RWC, should've heard the rave reviews about him - Sounds like you're a bit afraid of Byrne as well Those nerves starting to jangle a bit - silverware

I'm sorry I missed the Namibia game, did he play a blinder?

It's amazing how some people believe what they read in the Western Mail, granted Priestland could become a good player for Wales but lets not make out his in the same class as Carter or Wilko as he just isn't, maybe an O'Gara.

Priestland offers more of a running threat than Wilkinson and O'Gara and he's doing a decent job of getting his backline moving. True, he hasn't scored any chargedown tries yet, but you can't have it all!

I just don't see it, overhyped springs to mind!

I think the reason he looks good is because of Mike Philips, Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, I just don't get why none of the Welsh are shouting from the roof tops about these three guys.

Strange!

HERSH wrote:I think the reason he looks good is because of Mike Philips, Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, I just don't get why none of the Welsh are shouting from the roof tops about these three guys.

You'd be the first to criticise if that happened!

I wouldn't these guys are the reason Wales look good, Davies is your main man IMO, Philips has come on loads since playing in a real league, and Roberts rarely lets anyone down.

Preistland brings control to the game yet can unleash our backs at the same time, what more do you want in a fly half. Yes he's only been in the side a mere 6 months but he has impressed and is playing without pressure. I think we can judge how good a player he is when he has someone breathing down his neck for his no.10 position. Until then, he will continue to be Wales' no.1 fly half and he thoroughly deserves all the plaudits he gets. He's a bit better than Hodgson HERSH don't you think

'He's a bit better than Hodgson HERSH don't you think'

How many tries has Preistland scored so far?

Hodgson has always been a very good club player.

I think nearly all Welsh fans are very proud of the team in general and confident of them doing well this year.

There is plenty to be very optimistic about, I don't think it is unreasonable to say so. The whole squad and coaches have an excellent feeling about them. Have done since the pre RWC warm up matches. It is all very exciting for Wales.

I am much more confident of our depth than ever in the last 25 years. I hold a lot of credit to the welsh youth set up and regional academies for our current situation. They are doing a great job.

HERSH wrote:I wouldn't these guys are the reason Wales look good, Davies is your main man IMO, Philips has come on loads since playing in a real league, and Roberts rarely lets anyone down.

Phillips isn't in as good form as he was at the RWC when he was playing for the Ospreys.

Having a sly dig at the Rabbo is pathetic HERSH especially when you know full well that the Rabbo is producing far more successful teams than either the Top 14 or the Aviva Premiership.

Hersh - The boys are coming to shake your team and your your chariots to pieces and I can smell the fear in you - Priestland is rubbish, North is just a child, Warburton is a red card merchant - Look out Wales Charlie Hodgson is heading the lightening backline and Farrell will cut loose Iron Mike will take care of your back row and the rest will just keep on plundering poor Charlie Chargedown

It's time you took off your rose tinted RWC specks Maesteg, you finished 4th when lets face it a majority of your players where at their peak, plus you were against a misfiring All Blacks and French teams and an inconsistent Aussie team.

Philips is in far better form now since he has been in France, which can only be down to the standard of rugby.

As for the fear, England has nothing to prove this season the only team not rebuilding is Wales therefore failure to win the 6 nations will be a huge underachievement.

We'll see how many of those aggravating emoticons are showing their faces after the game I guess.

I'm predicting these ones might be more in use by the welsh fans :

And that we will be dusting off that grandslam footage and photoshopping the year.

failure to win the 6 nations will be a huge underachievement.

I can smell it! The foundations of twickers will crumble like the anglo defence as North, Roberts, Cuthbert and JD cut loose - No mercy boys, no mercy for these Saes journeymen

Maesteg wrote,
'England have had to change there centre and backrow but I would certainly not come to any conclusion that there is improvement. They are missing five decent players, Lawes, tuilagi, care, flood and Haskell. If those guys come in and make a difference. But watching England's last two performances they look like they have a lot more work to do than Wales, Ireland, Scotland or France.

Home advantage will be a big bonus, but over the last three or even four games vs Wales England have regressed Wales have improved.

Anyone seriously stating that they are confident that England will win any of their last three games is on the wind up.'


You can add Wood to players missing which is about a third of a match day squad and arguably includes 3 or 4 of our best players.
So massive changes have been forced/made to England and most England fans being realistic were not confident of winning the first 2 games let alone the next 3.
However, we have got 2 good results so far & have players returning plus home advantage which as you say evens things up given the disruption to our squad.

You seemed confident that we would lose to Italy - I hope you have got over your disappointment. I don't think many Welsh fans were confident at half time against Scotland when it was 3-3. So let's get things in perspective a bit please.
Wales will go in as favourites because they have a settled squad but I would still not be surprised if England won.

The game will be a 50/50, Wales slight favourites but both teams have it all to play for - Maybe more pressure on Wales but these young boys can handle it as they did in Dublin - It should be a cracker - That's enough fun with Hersh for now but I'll come back for more nearer the time

50/50 and Wales favourites?

Maths not your strong point?

miteyironpaw wrote:50/50 and Wales favourites?

Maths not your strong point?

That fear is coming through Mitey, you're leaking all over the place

By bringing logic and reason into the equation?

I think not Ruby.

Logic and Reason, is that you're new centre pairing

I think they'd be a match for your pair of Static and Lateral.

Wales favourites ? and how we all look forward to the greater fall when the Welsh bandwagon runs out of the Hot air needed to drive it. Wales are cocky and confident and England are supposed Underdogs (although England are 4th and Wales 8 in Rankings) but hey Wales are being talked up and praised (but only by their one eyed fans) and how enjoyable the fall will be when the B .S. comes to nought and cruel reality hits them where it hurts.

When will the Welsh get the message that understatement is the more potent attitude to take, because then win or lose you are not left with Egg on face.

England to win with home advantage and no Meglamania, unlike wales!

You mean Ecstatic and Bilateral

Joey Deacon and Bipolar?

I probably can't say that.

miteyironpaw wrote:Joey Deacon and Bipolar?

I probably can't say that.

I'd like to stress that was the auto-replace feature and not my first choice.

That's alright Mitey but I think Lancaster needs to take Hinge and Bracket out of the english midfield to free up some space

It is amusing how the English wums (not all English posters it must be said) seem to be getting more and more desperate. Some just seem deluded but a lot do seem to reek of fear that their team is going to get a bit of a spanking.

RubyGuby wrote:That's alright Mitey but I think Lancaster needs to take Hinge and Bracket out of the english midfield to free up some space

Bench Options. They'll be too much for Cringe and Hack at it late in the game.

"England to win with home advantage and no Meglamania, unlike wales!"


Nice post English Worrier

We're well aware of the Welsh Cycle Of Despair Ruby.

This wave of Welsh optimism is born of the fact that the game is two weeks away. 5 Minutes before kick off you'll be quietly wetting yourself and declaring that As Long As You Play Well The Result Doesn't Matter.