Scotland - post match discussion

Am sitting on the train on my way home from Cardiff, in good spirits, in part due to the top company of Penfro Pete, Mrs Penfro, dreamer and lucky, and also in part cos it does actually feel like Scotland have turned a corner. Of course, I could be completely delusional, but I felt at the very least we needed a thread of our own, free from gloating numpties, away from critiques of players that have retired, etc.

So here it is, how do you think Scotland went today? Hogg gave us glimpses of what is to come, Denton and Rennie led the way in the pack, and Laidlaw didn't look out of place in any sense at this level in the 10 shirt. Two silly, needless yellow cards put us In the corner and we got our just desserts. But my god, there's hope and plenty of it

My chief complaint is that we seem to have forgotten to make the scoreboard tick over. We had two good chances to go for a drop goal in their 22, but we kept huffing and puffing for a try (which we don't come by easily). We could have went in with a 9-3 lead at half time with a smarter strategy. Losing a try right after HT wouldn't have been such a disaster and wouldn't have led to the panic that followed!

However, Hogg must stay, Laidlaw, Denton and Rennie must stay too!

Apart from the first 6 minutes of the second half Scotland did well.

They maintained possession for sustained periods, should have been more patient with the posession when they had 20+ phases and knoked the ball just in front of the try line at the ruck due to over eagerness.

Bad luck for the knock on blown by Poite which I don't beleive was a knock on.

Laidlaw struggled to get his movements flowing in the first half, he stepped and slowed before he passed, had a few passes directly behind him but then the reciever was marked already.

He did improve in the second half, but I think scotland still needs a better 10.

Rennie, Denton and number 4, I think it is Grey? they are class forwards.

Your backs aren't bad, but only the two Lamont brothers were solid throughout the game and that new guy that "knocked the ball" don't know his name.

Scotland broke their try bogey and I think they aren't bad at all. They just need patience and their handling skills still let them down.

Lamont looked very dangerous when he came into the attack at speed.

Ok so no flamming, no gloating and just an honest discussion about Scotland.

Scotland have a very good base to start from.
Grey and Denton are beasts going forward with the ball.
The back line is good, but they just aren't quite clinical.

Scotland need the rub of the green and a bit of confidence to go forward, the players and talent to compete with all the 6 Nations does seem to be there.

Lee Jones will be a special player for you I think, like Shane Williams was for Wales, I've seen what he can do with no space and 4 players in front of him and it's frightening.
I'd like to see the Lamont brothers in the centers together.

just got back from the MS so scuse any typo's
well done the Scots boys for a really good game -keep playing like that and you'll have no worries.

I bet you had a great time ASBO. I thought that Scotland played very well today and if they can build from this then i can see them being very competetive against Ireland and France.

AlynDavies wrote:
I'd like to see the Lamont brothers in the centers together.

Good grief!!! I'd like to see them paired together on the bench with a real 12 like Scott and Ansbro at 13. There might be space for one of them on the wing.

Redrage wrote:My chief complaint is that we seem to have forgotten to make the scoreboard tick over. We had two good chances to go for a drop goal in their 22, but we kept huffing and puffing for a try (which we don't come by easily). We could have went in with a 9-3 lead at half time with a smarter strategy. Losing a try right after HT wouldn't have been such a disaster and wouldn't have led to the panic that followed!

However, Hogg must stay, Laidlaw, Denton and Rennie must stay too!

I would argue that a part of the problem is that in the past we've often been too quick to go for drop goals etc as soon as we get in the 22 instead of going through the phases drawing in defenders until gaps appear. I thought we were unlucky not to get the try at the end of the first half and we were doing the right thing by going for it. Thats the attitude we need and we mustn't be discouraged from it and go back to our old ways.

Glad to see a new thread up - the main one has just turned into a mass bickering thread! Right, some points to start off what I'm about to say:

Wales were the better team and deserved to win - no doubt
We didn't lose because of the ref

However, let me have a short rant about that ref, who was appalling! Yes he was crap for both teams but I think any neutral would admit that Scotland got it much worse - try disallowed even though it should have been, and a potential blatant knock on just before De Luca's moment of madness. Unfortunately the BBC horrendous coverage didn't show whether it was a knock on or not so will just have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I won't even get started on his reffing the breakdown as I know it was just lead to bickering as per the main thread.

So, on to Scotland...

Think looking at the team

Front row - were ok, scrum a lottery, Ford carried well
Second Row - Hamilton ok, Gray Very good
Back Row - All great except Strokosh who was cery poor
Cussiter - ok, but blair better
Laidlaw - ok and got better, work in progress
S Lamont - ok
NDL- Was doing ok, but again lets himself down with a stupid play - How many times!
Jones - lively
M Evens - ok, but not great
R Lamont - MUCH better on the wing


Subs - Kellock - good and deserves to replace Hamilton in two weeks
Hogg - great - deserves to start, with R Lamont on the wing

Redrage wrote: Good grief!!! I'd like to see them paired together on the bench with a real 12 like Scott and Ansbro at 13. There might be space for one of them on the wing.

I'd love to Sean charging into opposition centers especially D'Arcy!
Wales showed you the way to do it against Ireland, smash into their midfield and use Lee Jones, and Max Evans to exploit the gaps they create.

It might be worth giving Blair a chance at scrum half too, with Cusiter coming off the bench fairly early.

Slightly off topic but why is Graham Steadman's contract not being renewed? I thought our defence has looked pretty solid recently (except when we go down to 14/13 men or have kicks charged down). Maybe his decision for personal reasons? I see no reason why we'd want rid of him?

AlynDavies wrote:Ok so no flamming, no gloating and just an honest discussion about Scotland.

Scotland have a very good base to start from.
Grey and Denton are beasts going forward with the ball.
The back line is good, but they just aren't quite clinical.

Scotland need the rub of the green and a bit of confidence to go forward, the players and talent to compete with all the 6 Nations does seem to be there.

Lee Jones will be a special player for you I think, like Shane Williams was for Wales, I've seen what he can do with no space and 4 players in front of him and it's frightening.
I'd like to see the Lamont brothers in the centers together.

AD, thank you - you are capable of non-silly posts. Appreciate it.

As for the Lamont brothers in the centre, I bet you would like tO see that, you naughty lad. But no, nay, never - at best stick them on the wing where they aren't required to pass the ball to anyone else that often!!
RDW :naughty: no complaining about the ref pls

No more excuses Andy!!! get Matt Scott in the team now, put S lamont in his best position the Wing!!! and start Hogg, Laidlaw and Blair.
Get rid of Townsend and keep Steadman
I would have ansbro in there instead of de luca but I think he's still injuried
keep playing at that intensity and it will come good i thought we were playing well enough to get another try and was actually for the first time in along time thinking we had the players who could do it but the yellow cards changed the game, you cant win with 2 in the bin

1. Jacobsen
2. Ford
3. Cross
4. Gray
5. Hamilton
6. Barcley
7. Rennie
8. Denton
9. Blair
10. Laidlaw
11. S Lamont
12. Scott
13. De Luca
14. Jones
15. Hogg

S Lawson, Kalman, Kellock, Harley, R Lamont, Cuister, Weir

Pat_Mustard wrote:Slightly off topic but why is Graham Steadman's contract not being renewed? I thought our defence has looked pretty solid recently (except when we go down to 14/13 men or have kicks charged down). Maybe his decision for personal reasons? I see no reason why we'd want rid of him?

Hadn't heard that, Pat? Tellme we're not lining up Alan Tait?

Take away the first 20 mins of the 2nd half and I was actually fairly pleased with the performance. As soon as Cusiter didn't take that kick off I knew we were going to lose.

No idea what the game plan is meant to be in the first halfs though as, in both games, it has been so slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, only to speed up in the 2nd half. That something to do with blair? Perhaps.

Massive positives - Rennie, Gray and Denton were superb once again and, since they are young, we've got a lot of time left with them!

What a debut by Stuart Hogg - he showed absolutely no fear which is amazing for a 19 year old in his first year as a pro. Lee Jones looked sharp too but think we need a more physical presence on the other wing.

Top performance from the forwards, but such a shame we knocked on just as we were pounding on the line (what a carry that was by Denton that just fell short before Cross knocked on).

De Luca was poor today and he's lucky Ansbro is injured.

For the future?

Back 3 has to be Hogg, Jones and Evans/Lamont. Ansbro in for De Luca if fit and Cusiter has to be dropped as punishment for that ridiculous mistake, plus he contributed to the extreme slowness of the first half.

Keep the forwards as they are, except drop Strokosh. If only Kelly Brown was fit!!

Strokosh has looked out of it in both games.

So to sum up - bitter disappointment yet again but at least we've got some very promising looking young guys.

I'm not sure how they can keep going week after week of getting beaten though.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
RDW :naughty: no complaining about the ref pls

Had to get it off my chest - and my statements at the start cover me from winding people up or talking baws!

Riskysports wrote:Think looking at the team

Front row - were ok, scrum a lottery, Ford carried well
Second Row - Hamilton ok, Gray Very good
Back Row - All great except Strokosh who was cery poor
Cussiter - ok, but blair better
Laidlaw - ok and got better, work in progress
S Lamont - ok
NDL- Was doing ok, but again lets himself down with a stupid play - How many times!
Jones - lively
M Evens - ok, but not great
R Lamont - MUCH better on the wing


Subs - Kellock - good and deserves to replace Hamilton in two weeks
Hogg - great - deserves to start, with R Lamont on the wing

The enigma that is NdL - he's been so good for Embra all season, but once again dropped a feicing clanger at this level. Does he get one more chance with a proper IC partner or is that it? Radge, you're a big fan, would appreciate your thoughts?

RDW_Scotland wrote:Take away the first 20 mins of the 2nd half and I was actually fairly pleased with the performance. As soon as Cusiter didn't take that kick off I knew we were going to lose.

No idea what the game plan is meant to be in the first halfs though as, in both games, it has been so slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, only to speed up in the 2nd half. That something to do with blair? Perhaps.

Massive positives - Rennie, Gray and Denton were superb once again and, since they are young, we've got a lot of time left with them!

What a debut by Stuart Hogg - he showed absolutely no fear which is amazing for a 19 year old in his first year as a pro. Lee Jones looked sharp too but think we need a more physical presence on the other wing.

Top performance from the forwards, but such a shame we knocked on just as we were pounding on the line (what a carry that was by Denton that just fell short before Cross knocked on).

De Luca was poor today and he's lucky Ansbro is injured.

For the future?

Back 3 has to be Hogg, Jones and Evans/Lamont. Ansbro in for De Luca if fit and Cusiter has to be dropped as punishment for that ridiculous mistake, plus he contributed to the extreme slowness of the first half.

Keep the forwards as they are, except drop Strokosh. If only Kelly Brown was fit!!

Strokosh has looked out of it in both games.

So to sum up - bitter disappointment yet again but at least we've got some very promising looking young guys.

I'm not sure how they can keep going week after week of getting beaten though.

i think strokers might be injured and kelly is along way off from coming back

Official match stats
Wales-------------------- Scotland
28 Minutes in possession 35
3 (0) Scrums won (lost) 3 (0)
10 (2) Line-outs won (lost) 7 (0
13 Pens conceded 9
3 Turnovers won 1
154 Passes made 254
26 Possession kicked 19
178 (16)Tackles made (missed)99 (9)
1 Errors made 8
7 Line breaks 5

Cymroglan wrote:Official match stats
Wales-------------------- Scotland
28 Minutes in possession 35
3 (0) Scrums won (lost) 3 (0)
10 (2) Line-outs won (lost) 7 (0
13 Pens conceded 9
3 Turnovers won 1
154 Passes made 254
26 Possession kicked 19
178 (16)Tackles made (missed)99 (9)
1 Errors made 8
7 Line breaks 5

Interesting stats - once again we had a lot of ball and didn't do much with it! Significantly more passes made, and Wales made significantly more tackles yet Wales scored 3 tries.

Two weeks in a row we have been in a good place at half-time and given the momentum straight to the opposition after the break through bad mistakes. It's just so deflating to see a lot of good work undone. Once the Welsh got their chances they were very clinical if only we could be the same. Even with the Hogg no try if the last pass had been half decent the referee wouldn't have had a decision to make.

If both Brown and Strokosch are out then I'd like to see Robinson go for McInally at 6.

If we're going to persevere with the style of play we used in the 4th quarter against Wales (and we should), then we need a second ball carrier in the back row, not another specialist 7 on the blindside. I'd then have Vernon on the bench.

Blair should start at 9 and Hogg should start at 15 with Rory Lamont on the wing. Scott should be promoted to the bench. Those things are obvious as far as I'm concerned. I'd give NDL another shot at 13, I think he'll play better once we inject some pace into our game. He was never going to be at his best receiving slow ball behind the advantage line. His foul was pretty silly, and certainly a yellow card. but I understand why he did it. Just a shame he couldn't slow down the Welsh attacker without committing such a blatant foul.

Well you're in the brothel. You've got the condom in your hand. You even got the tip in at one stage. All you have to do now is back yourselves, and score.

Glas a du wrote:Well you're in the brothel. You've got the condom in your hand. You even got the tip in at one stage. All you have to do now is back yourselves, and score.

Lovely.

You must be in Cardiff.....

I wish I was. Regret has changed to hope all you need now is a bit of pride.

Glas a du wrote:Well you're in the brothel. You've got the condom in your hand. You even got the tip in at one stage. All you have to do now is back yourselves, and score.

I love all your random phrases Glas!

funnyExiledScot wrote:If both Brown and Strokosch are out then I'd like to see Robinson go for McInally at 6.

If we're going to persevere with the style of play we used in the 4th quarter against Wales (and we should), then we need a second ball carrier in the back row, not another specialist 7 on the blindside. I'd then have Vernon on the bench.

Blair should start at 9 and Hogg should start at 15 with Rory Lamont on the wing. Scott should be promoted to the bench. Those things are obvious as far as I'm concerned. I'd give NDL another shot at 13, I think he'll play better once we inject some pace into our game. He was never going to be at his best receiving slow ball behind the advantage line. His foul was pretty silly, and certainly a yellow card. but I understand why he did it. Just a shame he couldn't slow down the Welsh attacker without committing such a blatant foul.

I dont mind Barcley at 6 but if we where to put someone else in there I'd go for MacInally, Vernon can barley make the Sale bench. I think Scott has to start not just put him on the bench and start S lamont on the wing he's a fantastic player on the wing not centre, R lamont on the bench as cover.

A much better performance.

Maybe next match we will finally see the team that should have stated the first match.

The new players did what we all knew they could.

Te bounce of the ball. lack of composure and e ref lost us the game along with wales clinical finishing

Robinson must go. Soon

allyt2k - one option for the centres could be to install Scott at 12 with S Lamont at 13. That could work.

I'd still stick with S Lamont and NDL for France though. I just think we need to continue with Blair and Laidlaw and half backs and start as we finished in Cardiff, keeping the ball alive and varying the attack. If we play that way then I think S Lamont and NDL may work together.

I was tearing my hair out in the second half as the reversal from the control we had in the first half was staggering.

Let's get the ugly out of the way with before, we concentrate on the good and the bad. Whilst I completely accept that none of his decisions (even in aggregate) cost Scotland the match, Poite had a poor game and for a period of time appeared to be awarding decisions based on the response of the crowd. I haven't dared venture onto the other thread in case I drown in a snot of WUM but the Hogg decision was a joke. Neither Poite or his touch judge seemed to know why the try wasn't awarded and yet he made a decision without recourse to the 4th official. Amateurish and embarrassing.

Next, Wales played pretty well. Their forwards were perfectly adequate although not as good as I'm sure that they'll be mooted to be in the press tomorrow. The backs played like the drilled, well conditioned unit they are and in Roberts and JD they have potentially the best midfield partnership in the tournament. Halfpenny continues to grow into what potentially is the Lions 15 shirt and was invaluable to them. No complaints - they took their chances well once Scotland placed the barrel of the gun to its foot and fired.

There are two annoying things about the Scotland performance - (a) the forwards are coming into their own and worked their socks off only for the backs to squander chances again, and (b) the players that shone (Denton, Laidlaw, Jones, Hogg) are exactly the players that every Scottish poster on these boards said should have been in the starting XV from the outset of the tournament. It's all very well Robinson saying that he's proud of their performance but most of them are only on the pitch because Robinson had his hand forced by injury or retirement.

The position is now pretty clear:
1. Blair and Laidlaw at halfback.
2. Scott and DeLuca in midfield.
3. Hogg at 15.
4. Max and Rory on the wing.

On the blind, I agree with FES that McInally presents a strong case but I would also consider Harley - he may be far from the finished article but his undoubted strengths would balance the current backrow well. Having Barclay in there is a terrible idea and why in the name of smeg are we talking about Vernon being anywhere near a Scotland jersey. No NO NO NO NO.

Stroker was very disappointing today, but I'm sure that nobody needs to point that out to him.

It's always galling when the winners offer coaching tips... Never listen to those guys.

As for the game. Great game. Now, that's what Scotland can do. No, not win but play a game that can... rather than last week when they played a game that never would.

What can Wales do? Nothing much. Run a little, run some more, run through someone, run around someone, run at someone, run away from someone and run over something called a tryline. Nothing special at all.

The reason I mention Vernon (I wouldn't pick him I hasten to add) is that if we're going to play a faster and looser type of game, then he's exactly the type of player we need. Now I think McInally and Harley have stronger cases based on form this season, which is why I'd pick them over Vernon, but let's not forget that Vernon completely rescued us against Romania. His cameo in the last 10 minutes was absolutely essential, without it we'd have lost the game. As soon as we started upping the tempo and slinging the ball about, having a back row forward faster than most backs suddenly starts to make sense.

I really don't understand why some Scotland fans dislike him so much. Granted, he wouldn't be a form pick right now, but I'd have him at 6 for the last 20 minutes ahead of Barclay every day of the week.

The position is now pretty clear:
1. Blair and Laidlaw at halfback. 100% yes
2. Scott and DeLuca in midfield. 100% yes
3. Hogg at 15. 100% yes
4. Max and Rory on the wing. 100% no
if your gonna play scott in the centre then you may aswell put your best winger back on the wing S lamont and why would you drop Jones he's done nothing wrong and always looks for space. Evans all that pace usally means he just runs into contact quicker than everyone else, he needs to learn how to sidestep

That's international rugby for you. Wales were just as stymied by Poite remember.

I think they said Max Evans has a cruciate injury - doubt he'll be fit in two weeks time so I suspect he won't be fit. I agree though, dropping Jones would be silly.

Scott wasn't fit to play on Thursday, anyone know if it's a serious injury?

funnyExiledScot wrote:The reason I mention Vernon (I wouldn't pick him I hasten to add) is that if we're going to play a faster and looser type of game, then he's exactly the type of player we need. Now I think McInally and Harley have stronger cases based on form this season, which is why I'd pick them over Vernon, but let's not forget that Vernon completely rescued us against Romania. His cameo in the last 10 minutes was absolutely essential, without it we'd have lost the game. As soon as we started upping the tempo and slinging the ball about, having a back row forward faster than most backs suddenly starts to make sense.

I really don't understand why some Scotland fans dislike him so much. Granted, he wouldn't be a form pick right now, but I'd have him at 6 for the last 20 minutes ahead of Barclay every day of the week.

Dont mind vernon but as you say it's form he's can hardley make the bench for Sale and the world cup game against romania is the past, you cant pick him for that or there would be a case for Danellia in the squad aswell who also cant make the Ulster squad

Mcinally is more a 6 than harley but either one i would pick until kelly comes back

only picked Barcley in my team as i didnt want to many changes to the pack

Scott failed a late fitness test so I think its minor and should be fit

allyt2k wrote:Mcinally is more a 6 than harley but either one i would pick until kelly comes back

Don't think that's right. Harley is 100% a 6, whereas McInally was originally an 8 but one who has been pushed to 6 to accommodate Talei. Still, both are better 6's than Barclay, who is 100% a 7.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

allyt2k wrote:Mcinally is more a 6 than harley but either one i would pick until kelly comes back

Don't think that's right. Harley is 100% a 6, whereas McInally was originally an 8 but one who has been pushed to 6 to accommodate Talei. Still, both are better 6's than Barclay, who is 100% a 7.

Harley was playing better in the second row for glasgow during the world cup when the internationals where away and he played well for Scotland A in the second row, didnt think much of him at the 1872 games tho thought he'd dropped a bit a pace from last season and i can see him moving there when Gray leaves

He's too small and lightweight to be a lock at any serious level - I think he's only ever used there when no genuine locks are available. He'll always show up in the loose well, but in the tight at international level he's a few inches and several stone short of the dimensions needed to be a lock.

When Gray leaves Verbackel, Ryder and Kellock will be the lock options, with one of Nick Campbell or Rob McAlpine coming in as cover. I can't see Harley moving from the 6 jersey, not even when James Eddie returns from sevens duty.

I think Scotland needs to look at its domestic game if they are going to compete on an international level anytime soon.

I don't think having just two Celtic League teams (on par with Italy) gives enough of a platform for Scottish Rugby when both Wales and Ireland can support four clubs.

I also don't think the Scottish Premiership is strong enough or is the right structure. I think Scottish Rugby would be better creating a 10/12 team Super League either with Glasgow and Edinburgh or independently to the two Celtic League teams.

I wouldnt be suprised to see the scots win the next three games. The pack is goig to terrify the Irish Italians and French. The backline looks much more balanced with the halfback change. If they can keep the physicality and aggression up then I think you will beat Italy and Ireland and could give the French an almighty scare. The match today might be a watershed for the side.

That's two games Scotland could have won but didn't. How long can they persist with Robinson?

Scotland are endeavouring to lose games and that has to be purely down to poor coaching. They get themselves into try scoring opportunities and then somehow do the Devon Loch? Andy Robinson is a passionate coach but he's not a winner - that much is clear.

The talent is there it's just not being directed properly.

My take on it is that Townsend (our "attack coach") is a poor coach, whilst Robinson is a poor selector (but not a bad coach).

My hope is that Scott Johnson's input makes a big difference on the summer tour.

allyt2k wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:The reason I mention Vernon (I wouldn't pick him I hasten to add) is that if we're going to play a faster and looser type of game, then he's exactly the type of player we need. Now I think McInally and Harley have stronger cases based on form this season, which is why I'd pick them over Vernon, but let's not forget that Vernon completely rescued us against Romania. His cameo in the last 10 minutes was absolutely essential, without it we'd have lost the game. As soon as we started upping the tempo and slinging the ball about, having a back row forward faster than most backs suddenly starts to make sense.

I really don't understand why some Scotland fans dislike him so much. Granted, he wouldn't be a form pick right now, but I'd have him at 6 for the last 20 minutes ahead of Barclay every day of the week.

Dont mind vernon but as you say it's form he's can hardley make the bench for Sale and the world cup game against romania is the past, you cant pick him for that or there would be a case for Danellia in the squad aswell who also cant make the Ulster squad

Mcinally is more a 6 than harley but either one i would pick until kelly comes back

only picked Barcley in my team as i didnt want to many changes to the pack

With Rennie as fetcer and Denton as ball-carrier, I sorry I don't think that Vernon is an option at 6 - he's a decent ball carrier when we need to pick up the tempo of the game, but somebody needs to do the dirty chopping work, and that sure as hell won't be Vernon

funnyExiledScot wrote:He's too small and lightweight to be a lock at any serious level - I think he's only ever used there when no genuine locks are available. He'll always show up in the loose well, but in the tight at international level he's a few inches and several stone short of the dimensions needed to be a lock.

When Gray leaves Verbackel, Ryder and Kellock will be the lock options, with one of Nick Campbell or Rob McAlpine coming in as cover. I can't see Harley moving from the 6 jersey, not even when James Eddie returns from sevens duty.

On the stats Harleys bigger and heavier than Verbackel, Ryder and isn't far of the weight of kellock i cant see lineen waiting for Verbackel and Ryder to to bulk up a bit when Gray leaves and will most likely put harley in the second row with mcAlpine coming in at 6

ally, I would much prefer it the other way round - McAlpine to lock and Harley to develop his game at 6. I think Rob McA can look to the example of Gilchrist over at Embra - with the right encouragement and coaching he could be v v good. Harley needs to develop a couple of aspects of his game and he will be up there with the great Scottish blindsides imo

Agree with ASBO - McAlpine more likely to play at lock (as a 5 and lineout specialist) with Harley at 6.

Harley is 1'97 and 111kg. For me that's not heavy enough to be an enforcer (e.g. Hamilton or Gray) nor tall enough to be a lightout lock (e.g. Kellock or Gray) at international level. At club level he may be fine, but for Harley to be a top quality international I think he should stick to 6, and just work on his ball carrying skills. He's not far away at all, and possibly would have made a more substantial contribution than Strokosch had he played today.

From what I saw (and I'll need to watch the game again), Stroks didn't have a bad game today - I turned to Mr&MrsPenfro several times to commend Stroks on key tackles. But he's not offering anything more at the moment