Froch v Bute May 26th Nottingham

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Looks like this is about to be made, finally. I said a while back I thought Froch could get Bute to Nottingham based on there being no other credible oppossition available. Some scoffed, but seems he is coming gents. Great fight, tough ask for froch but I am not ruling him out.

When do tickets go on sale?

ShahenshahG wrote:Thats only two hours from nottingham?

It is indeed mate, however TSMR is an infinitely understanding and patient woman but me leaving her in blackpool with the nephew is a deal even a man of my charm cannot broker.

why do you think god invented the car boot? you are so ungrateful rowley.

rowley wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Rowley are you away on the 12th weekend or the 26th?

26th mate, nephew has a football tournament in Blackpool

Blackpool...the badlands!

When do tickets go on sale?

d260005p wrote:When do tickets go on sale?

Eddie Hearn said next week on twitter, not sure about the date though

Back to Froch. The more i think about it the more i see a stoppage one way or the other. I honestly beleive froch is going to have to go back to older tactics and attack Bute from the start. Froch can't outbox Bute in a slow paced affair.Bute is younger, far quicker with his feet and will out score him over the distance. if Froch comes at Bute formt he start he will unsettle the guy far more. Having watched Butes last 10 or so fights, like most fighters he takes a couple of rounds to get into his rythm, find his range etc; Froch must capatilze on this.He will have home advantage which i really believe is going to spur him on, a partizan crowd and the knowledge that 2 losses in a row at this stage of his career is probably the end of his career att he top end of the sport. Froch TKO is his best chance, not because he has more power, as he doesnt, but because he is tougher. Got to make Bute uncomfortable, i never saw bute uncomfortable since Andrade 1.

Bute still fav, but i am not convinced froch hasn't got a great chance in this. And i will be putting 10 English pounds online to back this up, WAR FROCH! as they say on some less classy forums than this.Haaha

azania wrote:I see Bute winning comfortably. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored a late stoppage. He is very under-rated.

Explain why he's 'under-rated', probably the most over-rated fighter in the sport imo. But i'm lost as to why he's under-rated when he has fought nobody, and was rated number 1 by many until Ward won the super 6, on the form of beating absolutely nobody throughout his career, and refusing to step up. Froch by late tko.

Watch out for the scamming tricksters on the sea-front with their 'throw the hoop over the stick' cons.

They took £30 off a lady friend of mine once with their "Ooh, nearly love, give us another fiver and you can have two more goes, you've only got a twenty? Well give me that and I'll give you two fives, but I'll keep one of them for your two throws, so here's your fiver back and blah blah blah..." patter. (She was a bit dense though to be fair.)

I did make a stand though, called the guy a "robbing ****", but he gave the signal and two of his burly mates came and "escorted" me away. Could have turned nasty if I wasn't such a fast runner...

steven24 wrote:Froch by late tko

No chance. Points maybe but it will never be a KO/TKO for Froch

Union Cane wrote:Watch out for the scamming tricksters on the sea-front with their 'throw the hoop over the stick' cons.

They took £30 off a lady friend of mine once with their "Ooh, nearly love, give us another fiver and you can have two more goes, you've only got a twenty? Well give me that and I'll give you two fives, but I'll keep one of them for your two throws, so here's your fiver back and blah blah blah..." patter. (She was a bit dense though to be fair.)

I did make a stand though, called the guy a "robbing ****", but he gave the signal and two of his burly mates came and "escorted" me away. Could have turned nasty if I wasn't such a fast runner...

Cool story.

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:I see Bute winning comfortably. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored a late stoppage. He is very under-rated.

Explain why he's 'under-rated', probably the most over-rated fighter in the sport imo. But i'm lost as to why he's under-rated when he has fought nobody, and was rated number 1 by many until Ward won the super 6, on the form of beating absolutely nobody throughout his career, and refusing to step up. Froch by late tko.

Its the manner in which he wins. You dont have to beat elite level fighters to see how good someone is. Who had Ali beaten prior to Liston? Froch has lost to the best fighters he fought and arguably got gifted a decision against Dirrell. He has problems with speed. Bute packs power in his left and is a very skilled boxer.

Dont get caught withthe patriotic bug. Froch is very good, but Bute is better imo.

Cheers for ticket info Steve

azania wrote:

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:I see Bute winning comfortably. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored a late stoppage. He is very under-rated.

Explain why he's 'under-rated', probably the most over-rated fighter in the sport imo. But i'm lost as to why he's under-rated when he has fought nobody, and was rated number 1 by many until Ward won the super 6, on the form of beating absolutely nobody throughout his career, and refusing to step up. Froch by late tko.

Its the manner in which he wins. You dont have to beat elite level fighters to see how good someone is. Who had Ali beaten prior to Liston? Froch has lost to the best fighters he fought and arguably got gifted a decision against Dirrell. He has problems with speed. Bute packs power in his left and is a very skilled boxer.

Dont get caught withthe patriotic bug. Froch is very good, but Bute is better imo.

I disagree, Froch would be unbeaten if he hadn't stepped up, the Dirrell fight was close, he ran like a cat for 12 rounds and Froch landed the better punches and hurt him a few times, fair decision. I also wholeheartedly disagree he's lost to 'the best fighters he's fought' Pascal is a far superior fighter to Kessler, he battered Diaconu, played with Dawson and hit him at will and was the ring magazine light heavyweight champ, Carl beat him, Pascal is also a better fighter than Bute imo. I aint got a patriotic bug, i aren't Froch's biggest fan, i just think he should beat the most over-rated fighter in the game today.

Steffan wrote:

steven24 wrote:Froch by late tko

No chance. Points maybe but it will never be a KO/TKO for Froch

Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight, throw your support behind your old Forum sparring buddy Sean and join the bandwagon. We got music on the wagon, music and Celtic whistles; join us!!

I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

steven24 wrote:I aint got a patriotic bug, i aren't Froch's biggest fan, i just think he should beat the most over-rated fighter in the game today.

I agree, although I didn't realise he was fighting JCC Jr.

Steffan wrote:

steven24 wrote:Froch by late tko

No chance. Points maybe but it will never be a KO/TKO for Froch

More chance of a Froch KO/TKO than vice-versa, Carl has one of the best chins in boxing. Bute has good speed and reflexes but not power, he won't trouble Froch but I can see him working his way to a SD.

I think this will be a good fight and feel Froch has a better chance against Bute than he did against Ward. Bute leaves himself open and sometimes his chin dangerously high and his hands low which is great against his usual chaff opponents that he can run rings around but could be suicidal against Froch. Bute's never really been tagged so will be interesting to see what happens if Froch catches him flush.

Howver, I feel speed kills Froch again here and just like it was against Ward I think he'll be outgunned and out sped. He'll give a better account of himself than he did against Ward because he is at home in Nottingham at least.

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:I see Bute winning comfortably. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored a late stoppage. He is very under-rated.

Explain why he's 'under-rated', probably the most over-rated fighter in the sport imo. But i'm lost as to why he's under-rated when he has fought nobody, and was rated number 1 by many until Ward won the super 6, on the form of beating absolutely nobody throughout his career, and refusing to step up. Froch by late tko.

Its the manner in which he wins. You dont have to beat elite level fighters to see how good someone is. Who had Ali beaten prior to Liston? Froch has lost to the best fighters he fought and arguably got gifted a decision against Dirrell. He has problems with speed. Bute packs power in his left and is a very skilled boxer.

Dont get caught withthe patriotic bug. Froch is very good, but Bute is better imo.

I disagree, Froch would be unbeaten if he hadn't stepped up, the Dirrell fight was close, he ran like a cat for 12 rounds and Froch landed the better punches and hurt him a few times, fair decision. I also wholeheartedly disagree he's lost to 'the best fighters he's fought' Pascal is a far superior fighter to Kessler, he battered Diaconu, played with Dawson and hit him at will and was the ring magazine light heavyweight champ, Carl beat him, Pascal is also a better fighter than Bute imo. I aint got a patriotic bug, i aren't Froch's biggest fan, i just think he should beat the most over-rated fighter in the game today.

The same Pascal who was given a boxing lesson by a 47year old Hopkins? You're entitled to your opinion but Froch was losing to Taylor until the last round. Bute has more stamina that Taylor and is not washed up also. I've seen the Dirrell fight and imo Carl lost by a couple of rounds. Plus Bute is quite a good boxer and should comfortably out box Carl dfrom distance. He seems a better close up fighter also.

Froch has a weak defence and trades on his durability too much for my comfort. But the number of big and tough fights he's had recently will have taken something out of him. Plus he's 34 and with is style, its not a good sign. Bute is younger, fresher and a better boxer (perhaps not a better fighter). Bute will win and win easily.

This will also be Froch's last fight at SMW. He'll either cash in against Clev or retire. No rematch against Bute as he will lose.

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Thing is Boon. If Froch can make it close then i think he wins, i really think that Bute runs away with it or Froch gets Bute into the type of fight he doesn't want and stops him late. Hatton v Kosta also springs to mind, an alamo type performance without hte forgetting to spike the cannons at the end

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

ALA Marquez vs Pacquiao

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

azania wrote:

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:

steven24 wrote:

azania wrote:I see Bute winning comfortably. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored a late stoppage. He is very under-rated.

Explain why he's 'under-rated', probably the most over-rated fighter in the sport imo. But i'm lost as to why he's under-rated when he has fought nobody, and was rated number 1 by many until Ward won the super 6, on the form of beating absolutely nobody throughout his career, and refusing to step up. Froch by late tko.

Its the manner in which he wins. You dont have to beat elite level fighters to see how good someone is. Who had Ali beaten prior to Liston? Froch has lost to the best fighters he fought and arguably got gifted a decision against Dirrell. He has problems with speed. Bute packs power in his left and is a very skilled boxer.

Dont get caught withthe patriotic bug. Froch is very good, but Bute is better imo.

I disagree, Froch would be unbeaten if he hadn't stepped up, the Dirrell fight was close, he ran like a cat for 12 rounds and Froch landed the better punches and hurt him a few times, fair decision. I also wholeheartedly disagree he's lost to 'the best fighters he's fought' Pascal is a far superior fighter to Kessler, he battered Diaconu, played with Dawson and hit him at will and was the ring magazine light heavyweight champ, Carl beat him, Pascal is also a better fighter than Bute imo. I aint got a patriotic bug, i aren't Froch's biggest fan, i just think he should beat the most over-rated fighter in the game today.

The same Pascal who was given a boxing lesson by a 47year old Hopkins? You're entitled to your opinion but Froch was losing to Taylor until the last round. Bute has more stamina that Taylor and is not washed up also. I've seen the Dirrell fight and imo Carl lost by a couple of rounds. Plus Bute is quite a good boxer and should comfortably out box Carl dfrom distance. He seems a better close up fighter also.

Froch has a weak defence and trades on his durability too much for my comfort. But the number of big and tough fights he's had recently will have taken something out of him. Plus he's 34 and with is style, its not a good sign. Bute is younger, fresher and a better boxer (perhaps not a better fighter). Bute will win and win easily.

This will also be Froch's last fight at SMW. He'll either cash in against Clev or retire. No rematch against Bute as he will lose.

The same Pascal as who battered Dawson? i agree Froch fights too much and trades too much, but i think Bute is very, very over-rated, Froch by TKO.

>>The same Pascal as who battered Dawson? i agree Froch fights too much and trades too much, but i think Bute is very, very over-rated, Froch by TKO.<<

Yep, the same one. Froch will lose. You seem to rate Froch higher than I do. I rate his guts and him wanting to be tested against the best. But he will lose. Bute is a better boxer. In 12 weeks we will know, so its no point getting your knickers all tied up over it now.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

Which fight do you refer to?

ShahenshahG wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

Which fight do you refer to?

Thats what I was thinking

Steffan wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

Which fight do you refer to?

Thats what I was thinking

Andrade I?

I feel Froch needs to try and get into his stride early, Froch has a great chin but one big criticism I have of him is he tends to be a bit laid back early on in fights and loses rounds.

A lot of questions will have been answered after this fight, just to how good Bute is.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Steffan wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

Which fight do you refer to?

Thats what I was thinking

Andrade I?

For the love of god - all he needed to do was get up and he did that - long count crap counted for naught - last ten seconds and he made it to his feet by 6. Referee just messed up deliberately or otherwise he made an exciting end into a controversial one.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Steffan wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

Bute better not get robbed, he deserves better for travelling across the ocean to take on The Cobra

Because Bute's opponents have always got such a fair ride after travelling to fight him.....

Which fight do you refer to?

Thats what I was thinking

Andrade I?

That was embarassing, the referee must of been his dad or Joe Cortez in disguise? Andrade was ripped off big time

Bute will win by KO inside 6. Froch isn't top draw. hence why he lost to top dogs Kessler and Ward.

Froch has been off his feet once in his career taking hard shots from a host of big punchers without being hurt, he is definitely a top draw fighter but unfortunately isn't one of the very best, can't see Bute knocking him out.

Demon Racer wrote:Bute will win by KO inside 6. Froch isn't top draw. hence why he lost to top dogs Kessler and Ward.

But beat better fighters than Kessler in Taylor and Pascal

Were they better super middleweights than Kessler, I really don't think so.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Were they better super middleweights than Kessler, I really don't think so.

Pascal never stayed there long enough, moved up and was the best light heavyweight in the world and ring magazine champ. Pascal is a far superior fighter to Kessler and Bute imo. Ward is special, and would embarass Bute.

A win over Kessler at super middleweight is a greater achievement than a win over Pascal or Taylor at the weight, both were champions elsewhere and in the case of Pascal was beaten by a 46 year old Hopkins.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:A win over Kessler at super middleweight is a greater achievement than a win over Pascal or Taylor at the weight, both were champions elsewhere and in the case of Pascal was beaten by a 46 year old Hopkins.

But beat the unbeaten Diaconu for the title then battered Chad Dawson who was universally recognized as the ring magazine light heavyweight champ, and Dawson beat Hopkins but was robbed when he quit to a nc, Pascal is a better fighter than Kessler.

All a massive exaggeration but what else would I expect from you but that was all at light heavyweight not super middleweight.

Kessler has only ever lost to Ward and Calzaghe, arguably the two finest super middleweights of all time.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:All a massive exaggeration but what else would I expect from you but that was all at light heavyweight not super middleweight.

Kessler has only ever lost to Ward and Calzaghe, arguably the two finest super middleweights of all time.

Pascal is a much better fighter, and has beaten better opponents than Kessler has. Diaconu, Dawson alone eclipse anyone he's beat.

He's so much better he lost to a fighter that Kessler beat, Andrade and Froch more than stands up to Diaconu and Dawson either way.

alma wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

steffan, who do you think would win out of froch and cleverly?

Steffan, you hate Froch, end of story. I'm a big Cleverly fan and always have been, but you can't have a fair view surely based on your hatred of Froch ?

alma wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Oh Steffan! He can do it, get on board for one fight

Give me a million pound and I will consider it

Seanusarrilius wrote:I want a TKO rathe rthan close points for Froch, don't want some Dirrell type robbery talk (i had dirrell winning by i think 2 rounds)

I think if it does go to points Bute will get robbed even if he is clearly winning

steffan, who do you think would win out of froch and cleverly?

Froch on points

steven24 wrote:Steffan, you hate Froch, end of story. I'm a big Cleverly fan and always have been, but you can't have a fair view surely based on your hatred of Froch ?

My view is that Froch will lose on points. Hardly unfair. I think there is the possibility of a robbery but not saying there will be. I had Dirrell winning the fight against Froch only just. He was negative though I admit and it worked against him in the end

alma wrote:what would you think of froch if he was born in, say, llantarnam?

Not a lot...

people seem to be jumping the gun on this one. i was in contact with one of the managers at the arena recently, talking music. i mentioned the boxing to him and he knew nothing about any plans of froch fighting there this year. maybe that will change but last i heard this date seems unlikely.

Both fights will be close 50-50 affairs.
Froch takes the decision in Notts, Bute gets the decision in Canada and ends up with the belt back. This i feel is why Bute agreed to this in the first place.

aja424 wrote:Both fights will be close 50-50 affairs.
Froch takes the decision in Notts, Bute gets the decision in Canada and ends up with the belt back. This i feel is why Bute agreed to this in the first place.

I cant see Bute losing anywhere.

Froch only gets the nod if it's a Dirrell type fight where he gets given the benefit of the doubt in a highly dubious decision. Froch doesn't deal well with speed as has been seen with the likes of Ward and Dirrell and to a lesser extent Kessler.

Bute should be way too fast and throw far too many combinations for Froch to deal with. The only way I see Froch getting to Bute is to apply pressure and hope that Bute folds and gets careless, which he sometimes does from what I've seen. He can leave himself open with his chin up in the air sometimes. Trouble is I doubt Froch has the speed to capitalise. Bute should win and comfortably.