Brook vs Hatton

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Just received my tickets for Brook vs Hatton, can't wait for it, should be a good nights boxing, with Kel stopping Hatton in the 11th!!! also there's a boxer called Ryan Aston (i went to school with his sister) just wanted to know what people thought of him, i feel he's definitely one for the future

Not saying he'd walk through anyone. As I said the lad is learning his trade and has a long way to go before being the finished article.

I am biased as Kell is my home town fighter but I’d back him to beat Ortiz and Berto right now.

I actually think he will look better against better fighter to be honest. Brook has great speed and reflexes and if anyone comes on to him that’s when he will look good, rather than trying to force it.

Brook Khan is something I'd love to see but unfortunately its miles off.

Peoples comments sum my thoughts up perfectly. Brook was one paced last night, we've seen before when he has people going he finishes them but it didn't seem to be there last night. For people who are saying Hatton is rubbish/journeyman etc, he is considered the second best welterweight in the country behind Brook so he can't be all that bad, he's a good euro level boxer.

sparky marky wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

DaveVDK wrote:The Castillo who Hatton beat was past his prime, the one who went the distance with Mayweather was in his prime.

He lost to Mayweather twice by decision and when he lost to Hatton he was on a winning streak for 6/7 fights beating Corales by K.O in a rematch, Casamayor and Julio Diaz along the way! My point still stands styles make fights and Brook v Alvarez/Ortiz would be 1 sided affairs.

Winning streak of 6/7???? Err, no he wasn't. Check your facts!

When Castillo lost to Mayweather 'rematch' he went on 6/7 winning streak:

Gustavo Corral K.O 5th
Saul Duran TKO 8th
Derrick Parks TKO 2nd
Juan Lazcano UD
Joel Casamayor SD
Julio Diaz TKO 10th

After these '6' fights he lost the 1st fight to Deigo Corrales eventually beating him in a rematch. he had 3 more wins before losing to Hatton.

If you actually read what I wrote you wouldnt be getting fooled right now would you! In fact heres the link of his record, read it cos I in fact proved he did go on winning streak of '6/7 fights: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=008837&cat=boxer

PPV your original post said that he was on a 6 or 7 win streak when he fought Hatton. You've just contradicted yourself by posting information that proves he wasn't and that he had actually won 3 on the bounce prior to the Hatton fight.

AlexHuckerby wrote:PPVxHotty you are seriously talking rubbish, also for the record mate Alexander most certainly IS a Welterweight.

Back to normality Kell looked so impressive it was unbelievable, if you think it odd that Hatton didnt throw many ask yourself this: Is it a coincidence that a ring magazine Top 10 fighter, also a well known domestic fighter that always gives it his all and a former World Title challenger have all looked God awful against him? No. You, perhaps could allude to the fact Kell really is just that good, and can make the opposition look that pap due to his sheer awkwardness, his footwork is so awkward that fighters desperately struggle to find ways to attack him. Lets just cheer on the plain and simple fact that right now, we got a good 'un.

Yes hes a welter considering hes only had 1 fight at welter against Maidana? Ok he might have stepped up to welter but we don't know that, if he has and you can provide me with a solid link then id appreciate it. Also I never said Hatton didn't throw many did I? Im not doubting Brooks ability im just saying people will have high expectations and build their hopes high, Azania said the exact same thing I did, 'Hearns is gonna protect his cash-cow' If Hearns thinks hes gonna get top 3/4 welters in world to come over to Sheffield then he can think again. Its plain and simple Brooks career will get ruined if he stays with a joke of a promoter who will make him fight for easy paydays.

hampo171 wrote:PPV your original post said that he was on a 6 or 7 win streak when he fought Hatton. You've just contradicted yourself by posting information that proves he wasn't and that he had actually won 3 on the bounce prior to the Hatton fight.

Bingo, not sure why it matters that he was on a 7 fight winning streak before losing to Corrales.

That doesn't mean he was on a 7 fight winning streak in Te lead up to the hatton fight though does it?

It means he was on a 7 fight winning streak before Castillo, who beat him up well and truely. A fight like that takes a lot out of a fighter. Whether he beat fighters before hatton, he wasn't on a hot streak, getting a SD on his LWW debut to a no-one.

He was 33, on the end of a couple wars, in a weight division he was unfamiliar. Can't say he is anywhere towards his prime at that point in his career

hampo171 wrote:PPV your original post said that he was on a 6 or 7 win streak when he fought Hatton. You've just contradicted yourself by posting information that proves he wasn't and that he had actually won 3 on the bounce prior to the Hatton fight.

Leading up to Hatton fight yes he was then I wrote 'beating Corrales in a rematch' meaning leading upto to the Corales lose after Mayweather he did win 6 on the bounce. Sorry the wording was terrible I must admit.

Would also have to say that Jennings and Jackiewics are better boxers than Hatton with the version of N'Dou he faced being very level.

I give credit to Brook for nearly stopping Lovemore Ndou, if he had stopped Ndou he would have been a force to be reckoned with world wide even before this Hatton showdown.

Amir Khan tweet: "Why does kelly brook call me out, he needs to up his game if he wants a payday shot against me. Atleast fight some1 in the top 50."

calling him Kelly.

Really want Brook to beat Khan! He is right in one sense, Brook HAS to go and face top opposition.

Think Khan needs to concentrate on beating Peterson a fighter Brook would be heavy favourite against.

Brook's performance last night was excellent used his jab brilliantly and won in a canter.

It amazes me how so many people on here who thought Hatton would be a test are backtracking and say Brook now needs to be tested.

Brook didn't stop Hatton, but neither did a World Lightmiddleweight champion, it was a quality performance made Hatton look like a club fighter.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:PPVxHotty you are seriously talking rubbish, also for the record mate Alexander most certainly IS a Welterweight.

Back to normality Kell looked so impressive it was unbelievable, if you think it odd that Hatton didnt throw many ask yourself this: Is it a coincidence that a ring magazine Top 10 fighter, also a well known domestic fighter that always gives it his all and a former World Title challenger have all looked God awful against him? No. You, perhaps could allude to the fact Kell really is just that good, and can make the opposition look that pap due to his sheer awkwardness, his footwork is so awkward that fighters desperately struggle to find ways to attack him. Lets just cheer on the plain and simple fact that right now, we got a good 'un.

Yes hes a welter considering hes only had 1 fight at welter against Maidana? Ok he might have stepped up to welter but we don't know that, if he has and you can provide me with a solid link then id appreciate it. Also I never said Hatton didn't throw many did I? Im not doubting Brooks ability im just saying people will have high expectations and build their hopes high, Azania said the exact same thing I did, 'Hearns is gonna protect his cash-cow' If Hearns thinks hes gonna get top 3/4 welters in world to come over to Sheffield then he can think again. Its plain and simple Brooks career will get ruined if he stays with a joke of a promoter who will make him fight for easy paydays.

The whole 2nd paragraph wasn't even aimed at you PPVxHotty...

And yes, Alexander is clearly a Welterweight, especially seeing as he has been complaining of the weight at LWW for a while and that he thinks he's much more suited to WW, he also looks more suited to Welterweight also considering how much bigger and stronger he looked. But make of that what you will...

Don't think Hearns is a joke of a promoter at all also, but he would need to get some ties with HBO or Showtime for Kell to make him marketable in America.

have a bad feeling we will have Maidana vs Brook which is a pointless fight

I think Zaveck would be a great opponent for Brook who would test him and we can really see how good he is against a real world class opponent and then go for a world champ near the end of the year

Unbeatable Georgey Groves wrote:have a bad feeling we will have Maidana vs Brook which is a pointless fight

I think Zaveck would be a great opponent for Brook who would test him and we can really see how good he is against a real world class opponent and then go for a world champ near the end of the year

Err who?

Only kidding mate but seriously, this isn't exactly a great choice of opponent for kell. Maidana won't be a great choice, but he's has become one of the biggest names in the sport, is still a massive hitter and if he can get a stoppage win over him ten he will surpass the performances of Alexander, khan and morales. That's not a bad feat is it.

And FYI, zaveck got beat up by berto and stopped in 5 one sided rounds last time out, not exactly world class. He also lost against the euro fighter who kell beat up an stopped in he 5th round, can't remember his name, rafael something

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

Unbeatable Georgey Groves wrote:have a bad feeling we will have Maidana vs Brook which is a pointless fight

I think Zaveck would be a great opponent for Brook who would test him and we can really see how good he is against a real world class opponent and then go for a world champ near the end of the year

Err who?

Only kidding mate but seriously, this isn't exactly a great choice of opponent for kell. Maidana won't be a great choice, but he's has become one of the biggest names in the sport, is still a massive hitter and if he can get a stoppage win over him ten he will surpass the performances of Alexander, khan and morales. That's not a bad feat is it.

And FYI, zaveck got beat up by berto and stopped in 5 one sided rounds last time out, not exactly world class. He also lost against the euro fighter who kell beat up an stopped in he 5th round, can't remember his name, rafael something

Maidana looked shocking vs Alexander therefore should not try WW again,

I disagree, he looked like he was coming back into it when the fight was stopped on cuts...Atleast he is a live fighter (unlike hatton) who will not only take punishment but give it back and is a former world champ so not an difficult sell...plus i thought Brook tired abit from the 7/8th so i can't see how he goes from Hatton to Berto/Ortiz/Khan, he need a Zaveck first!

alma wrote:Could be anybody as the next opponent if it's in shef. Can't imagine maidana would travel to the UK though

He went to St.Louis....but i see the point

How was Hatton not a live opponent?!?!?

AlexHuckerby wrote:How was Hatton not a live opponent?!?!?

throwing 300 punches in 36 minutes of boxing is shocking

Haye threw that against Klitschko for goodness sake!!

Why are people rating Ortiz as some sort of elite fighter. The only credible win he has is Berto and he was all over the place in the 6th.

Sorry but Kell is a different class. Ortiz gets hit way too much, fouls when the going gets tough and quit like a baby against Maidana.

Ortiz is the over rated one

AlexHuckerby wrote:How was Hatton not a live opponent?!?!?

Exactly Alex, Hatton wasn't allowed to throw punches because Brook was too fast and accurate for him,Hatton has only been stopped once in 50 fights he was a very creditable opponent

Sorry but I sense that certain people on here want Brook to fail.

Nico the gman wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:How was Hatton not a live opponent?!?!?

Exactly Alex, Hatton wasn't allowed to throw punches because Brook was too fast and accurate for him,Hatton has only been stopped once in 50 fights he was a very creditable opponent

Sorry but I sense that certain people on here want Brook to fail.

Complety agree mate.

Top class performance from Brook. He never let Hatton impose himself on the fight and just dominated him.

I would like to see him in against any of Berto, Ortiz or Alexander and would put money on him beating all of them.

Interesting comments from Hatton where he rates Brook higher than anyone else he has faced - including Alvarez.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2116701/Kell-Brook-wants-fight-Amir-Khan.html

Apparently he broke Hatton's nose in the first round....

I want Brook to do well. I like the whole Sheffield boxing scene. Their boxers (Ingle boxres) are the type I like. Flashy and arrogant in the ring. Naz exemplifies that. But to say Hatton is world level is stretching things a little. He's borderline euro level at best.

Brook should be doing a serious number on him. Perhaps he didn;t get past 2nd gear because he needn't to. But he didn't send a statement to the other WW. Not at all. <aybe when he does step up, his class (which he seems to have) will come through. He should beat Berto who is a better version of Hatton. Ortiz is another matter. Yes he "quit like a baby" against Maidana, but showed major minerals against Berto. Totally outclassed by Floyd, but be frank, who wouldn't be?

For me the jury's still out on Brook until ge fights one of the good WW from across the pond. But Hearns will go for the eastern euro champ instead. Milk the cash cow with defences with plumbers, roofers and other eastern euro builders until Khan comes knocking.

Surprised at all the stick toward Hearn. This is a guy who has put fighters in with world champs away from home as well as managing to get Froch Bute over here. They guy loves the sport, he wants to make good fights and so far there has been very little sign of him wanting to be the next Arum and bleeding Brook dry. Since Kell signed up with Matchroom he has been on an excellent learning curve and fighting far more regularly.

Admittedly, the next fight needs to be another step up and should it not be then feel free to criticise.

As for Kel, yes there are faults but the boy looks the business. Iron out the faults where possible and we're talking about a world class fighter in a few years. Let's not rush him too much but I'd love to see him in a real test soon.

As for Kel, yes there are faults but the boy looks the business. Iron out the faults where possible and we're talking about a world class fighter in a few years. Let's not rush him too much but I'd love to see him in a real test soon.
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His 25 now King, I'm afraid matching him with Matthew Hatton for a proposed budding superstar at this stage isnt frankly good enough, I'm not knocking Matthew but everyone knew this wasn't going to tell us anything new about Brook.

He needs to fight a top 10 fighter next IMO, Like mentioned earlier found Kell one paced and on the evidence of Saturday lacks the intensity to be at elite level. I know Jeff and a few other lads were attending the fight so I'd be interested in what they thought of Brook in the flesh.

Boxing isn't just about skills though is it, mentality is a massive part of the game. It was a huge occasion (thanks to Hearn and Sky), a massive crowd, the expectation, pressure... it was all there. Tick another box for Kell. Tick those boxes, get them all done, then step his game up. What did it tell us about Kell? It told us he can walk out in front of 10k fans and do the business.

Cribb, as one who was there would guess my view on Brook depends if I am looking from a glass half full or half empty perspective. Was fairly obvious from about the mid way stage Hatton was looking to survive and was spoiling to achieve this end which made getting him out of there difficult but as others have alluded to one would hope for a world level fighter or future star Brook would be able to find the extra gear to really close the show. I know others have said he did not really get out of second gear but I am always wary of those who claim they could have stepped it up, because if they could why didn't they.

He may well be a guy who improves as his competition improves and can't be too critical of him not stopping Hatton when Alvarez also failed to do so but for me would have liked to see him make a bit more of an attempt to do so because I got the impression around the time of the knockdown the ref would not have wanted too much persuasion to step in.

Cheers Jeff, Maybes I'm being a little harsh on Kell, he dominated but I'm not sure if its the way he was hyped I was expecting to go through them gears and stop Hatton.

I just fear he maybe is a fighter who likes to coast through a bout, only time will tell. Whilst watching I just kept thinking an elite fighter like Hamed in the past would never let someone of Hatton's ability last the course, when it was pretty obvious he was ready to go from round 5.