Brook vs Hatton

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Just received my tickets for Brook vs Hatton, can't wait for it, should be a good nights boxing, with Kel stopping Hatton in the 11th!!! also there's a boxer called Ryan Aston (i went to school with his sister) just wanted to know what people thought of him, i feel he's definitely one for the future

jay-z wrote:To be fair I do have a feeling I'm getting too excited by him.

Who do you think Brook has to beat to confirm that he is the real deal?

Alexander, Ortiz, berto, malignaggi etc, a top 10 rated fighter who comes to fight.

This may sound a bit harsh, but hatton should be doing much better than that. He didn't perform and yet sky kept on calling his effort very brave. I'm sorry but he was not taking risks, I've seen so many fighters over the last couple of months who have taken bigger beatings than that without given too much credit.

He gains credit for the Saul fight but not this. He was happy to circle the ring, jump on kell then let a couple body shots go. He threw less than 300 punches according to the computer which imo is very very poor. Trained to throw over 1000 punches and kell, despite dominating, looked like he could be tagged.

Hearns just indirectly told us..Brook will only fight nobodies in Sheffield!! they want to use him as a cash cow and milk everything they can..Hearns is reminding me of a certain Uncle Arum.

What did Hearns say then?

PPV... yh heard that, he's banging on about people turning up in Sheffield for him. I'd be disappointed if he did.

Does Hearn usually do that though? Promotes Froch and he didn't dodge no-one at all.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:What did Hearns say then?

Not his parrot mate! Anyone who watched it understood what he said.

You can surely repeat it then for those of us who didn't see it?

Ghosty... he said he wants to get Brook back in (Sheffield Arena) this summer, due to the 10,000+ who were routing for him tonight.

Not sure this indicates he will be fighting bums though....

That obviously means he'll be fighting a nobody because when your fanbase is in Sheffield seems obvious to fight elsewhere.

Do Brits always HAVE to go America? Bute's coming this summer and he's no bum.

jay-z wrote:PPV... yh heard that, he's banging on about people turning up in Sheffield for him. I'd be disappointed if he did.

Does Hearn usually do that though? Promotes Froch and he didn't dodge no-one at all.

Not sure what he did with Froch but here the post fight reaction from Eddie Hearns was plain and simple ''we want Kell to carry on selling 10,000 tickets in Sheffield'' In other words 'we want to use him as a cash cow, putting him in ring with low-risk fighters' Its a business and I can understand the decision but for the good of boxing its a disgrace, no wonder UFC is taking over

What a load of garbage, you've managed to twist a perfectly reasonable comment into something it is not, beggars belief.

I called it from the start,only even though. Hatton looked absolutely lost and brook didn't get out of second gear. I'm surprised brook didn't finished him inside the 12 Tbh.

Ortiz,Saul,khan. Be a right tear up against them,tough ones to call.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:What a load of garbage, you've managed to twist a perfectly reasonable comment into something it is not, beggars belief.

who is this aimed at me or PPV?

It was aimed at PPV, find it funny when people bang on about UFC when boxing still does far more PPV buys in a year.

Agree, it's nonsense.

PPVxHotty you are seriously talking rubbish, also for the record mate Alexander most certainly IS a Welterweight.

Back to normality Kell looked so impressive it was unbelievable, if you think it odd that Hatton didnt throw many ask yourself this: Is it a coincidence that a ring magazine Top 10 fighter, also a well known domestic fighter that always gives it his all and a former World Title challenger have all looked God awful against him? No. You, perhaps could allude to the fact Kell really is just that good, and can make the opposition look that pap due to his sheer awkwardness, his footwork is so awkward that fighters desperately struggle to find ways to attack him. Lets just cheer on the plain and simple fact that right now, we got a good 'un.

I thought Brook looked very good fighting Hatton, who its very hard too look good against. I would fancy him to spark an easy to hit and chinny fighter like Ortiz within 5-6 rounds, Berto would go the same way, think Bradley would be a different kettle of fish though and he might have a bit too much experience at this stage for Brook.

Great performance from Brook. Hatton did little more than spoil and take his beating like a proper fighter should. Hopefully Hearn can get Brook someone like Alexander and we can see if he is as good as he looks.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

jay-z wrote:Not to be disrespectful but can we look forward lol Alvarez wasn't this good!!

Ortiz v Brook? who wins.

Styles make fights !! and Canelo will demolish Brook, Ortiz also would beat Brook easy. If this is the best welterweight Britain has to offer then Brook loses to most Welters around world.

Absolute rubbish! Kell Brook beats most, if not all of them imo

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

DaveVDK wrote:The Castillo who Hatton beat was past his prime, the one who went the distance with Mayweather was in his prime.

He lost to Mayweather twice by decision and when he lost to Hatton he was on a winning streak for 6/7 fights beating Corales by K.O in a rematch, Casamayor and Julio Diaz along the way! My point still stands styles make fights and Brook v Alvarez/Ortiz would be 1 sided affairs.

Winning streak of 6/7???? Err, no he wasn't. Check your facts!

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

jay-z wrote:PPV... yh heard that, he's banging on about people turning up in Sheffield for him. I'd be disappointed if he did.

Does Hearn usually do that though? Promotes Froch and he didn't dodge no-one at all.

Not sure what he did with Froch but here the post fight reaction from Eddie Hearns was plain and simple ''we want Kell to carry on selling 10,000 tickets in Sheffield'' In other words 'we want to use him as a cash cow, putting him in ring with low-risk fighters' Its a business and I can understand the decision but for the good of boxing its a disgrace, no wonder UFC is taking over

Sorry to keep bringing up your comments. But do you actually think before you type?? They sold 10,000 tickets, in my book that's pretty impressive. All he was saying was he hoped to do the same again in the summer. He didn't say anything else other than that. You've managed to twist it around to suit your groundless opinion.

Post match, Eddie Hearn said another fight in Sheffield in the summer against a world class opponent.

alma wrote:I for one was left decidedly flat by the whole experience. I didn't learn anything new about brook. Matthew has always been a euro level fighter with a good chin. This wasn't really a step forward for brook. An entirely predictable result. Its still going to take someone of world level to really tell us how good brook is. If he doesn't fight one of the top ten guys in the next couple of fights I'll start to get annoyed.

Think hes got you there alma - he wants you to be annoyed so he can have you in a grudge match

How does anyone think he'd do against berto?

Fight against the likes of Berto will only happen in title defences. He will probably get another gate-keeper before fighting for a belt.

I cant see Berto (or Ortiz) risking his ranking in a pre-title fight. Wont happen. Brooks will probably fight a Malgnaggi type fighter. Low hisk, high reward.

Don't know whether it because I'm becoming cantankerous old sod with age but I can't see where all the fuss is coming from for Brook. Let's face it Hatton was a journeyman brave no doubt but hardly a step up. Brook seems to lack the energy and intensity to mix it in the top league, he seems one paced to me.

This seems harsh especially since the kid hasn't done anything wrong in the pro ranks, but I feel he certainly at this stage looks overhyped. On the evidence of Brooks previous outings, I'd take Berto, Ortiz and Khan to be far too much for him, he lacks the drive to mix it in that league, I know Jeff and a few other lads were going to the arena, so be interested what they thought in the flesh, hope I'm wrong, but he looks like bottom end of a top 10 fighter at the very best IMO.

Looking back I think PPV is on the wind-up. He has it in for British fighters.

tcribb I know styles make fights but this 'journeyman' gave Alvarez a very hard time, and he's supposed to be a future P4P no1. Don't think this can be overlooked.

You may be a cantankerous sod, but you're 100% correct about Brooks. He seems to lack some intensity and variety. I dont rate Berto so I'd pick Brook over him. Ortiz would beat Brooks imo.

Khan is one punch away from losing any fight and Brook does seem to pack a punch.

Ha cheers Az, maybes harsh a journeyman tag but that's the way I see him, he hung in with Alvarez but I couldn't say gave him a hard time, it was safe match fro Brook we all knew that time to step him up.

That we can all agree with, does really need to be tested.

Don't know how anyone can right Brook off against the likes of Ortiz or Bradley, Khan...

He has beaten whats put in front of him with ease. Hatton is not a band fighter and he was completely blown away by Brook.

For me he has proven to be worthy of challenging world class opposition and has every chance of going on to beat fighters like Ortiz going by how strong he looks and how he seems to have all the tools in the box.

tunes666 wrote:Don't know how anyone can right Brook off against the likes of Ortiz or Bradley, Khan...

He has beaten whats put in front of him with ease. Hatton is not a band fighter and he was completely blown away by Brook.

For me he has proven to be worthy of challenging world class opposition and has every chance of going on to beat fighters like Ortiz going by how strong he looks and how he seems to have all the tools in the box.

Hatton is not a very good fighter either. He should be expected to get blown away by Brooks who is a good fighter. I'm just not sold on him to be honest. The hype machine is rolling fast with him and the fights he has had have been carefully managed (and rightfully so). I dont see the sense in putting him against Mike Jones, Berto, Ortiz et al unless he's challenging them for a belt.

Take away Floyd/Paq and he's still not the best WW. His accuracy will give Paq fits though.

I'm not writing him off Tunes, but from the evidence I've seen I wouldn't make him favourite, it's maybes because I'm judging him on the fact he is tagged to be the next UK superstar, I just don't see it, hopefully he proves me wrong.

tunes666 I am wary this could be a case of a fighter making everyone look average so not really getting the props they deserve but let's be honest where does Hatton rank?

If he beats Alexander or Ortiz then anyone whoever still doubts this guy and underrates him would be foolish. Trouble is, those fights may not be possible any time soon.

Its not a case of him making fighters look average. He has been fighting average fighters. He will only be tested properly once he has a belt or is fighting for one. I dont see many fighters getting tested with world level opposition prior to winning a belt. Such is boxing as it is. Why risk a potential cash cow?

Anyone who wants a title shot has to go through Brook or Jones who are ranked number one and two by all four governing bodies I believe.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Anyone who wants a title shot has to go through Brook or Jones who are ranked number one and two by all four governing bodies I believe.

With the right promoter, rankings are meaningless. Floyd and Paq fight who they want to regardless of who is ranker one or two. I dont see Bradley ranked one or two (or JMM) in the WW division.

JMM and Bradley were mandatory defences but Berto/Ortiz or Senchenko will have no option but to face one of them very soon.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:JMM and Bradley were mandatory defences but Berto/Ortiz or Senchenko will have no option but to face one of them very soon.

Brooks will probably make a bee line for Senchenko probably in Sheffield in the summer. After that a few euro level fighters before a defence against Berto or Ortiz in a big(ger) money fight.

Being the WBA champion will leave him no option but to face men like Jones, Berto or Ortiz in his defences, they have far more sensible rankings than the WBO.

Berto seems the most beatable. I haven't seen much of Jones to be honest.

I also thought that he looked a little one paced last night.

He has fast hands, strong jab, good reflexes and is physically big. However, he fails imo to show that he has star qualities. He is effective and makes it look easy, but these last opponents are tailor made for him and still has troubles. He doesn't want to fight on the inside at all, head hunts a bit and only throws 3 punches with any regularity, left hook, jab an straight right despite him having good uppercuts.

Senchenko-malignaggi, Ortiz-berto, Guerrero-Aydin, jones-bailey. He should be looking at the winners of these fights to progress. He could also look into the 140 divisions at soto-Matthysse, maidana, Alvarado etc who would IMO fight him as they will get good pay days.

Lets be honest here guys he was facing Matthew Hatton so naturally he wasn't going to perform at 100% against an opponent whom has nothing to worry him.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Lets be honest here guys he was facing Matthew Hatton so naturally he wasn't going to perform at 100% against an opponent whom has nothing to worry him.

This fight was live on sky and had good publicity and was on front of 10000 of his fans in his hometown. That last night was a great platform for him to make an impression on everyone and show he is the real deal. Hatton is a big name (because of his last name) and if he stopped him, Americans and Mexicans will see him as doing something a superstar in Alvarez couldn't.

If that's not enough to be motivated to put on a breathtaking performance then I don't know what is. He isn't going to get Ortiz, berto etc at this rate, high risk low reward

brook is clearly a quality fighter, but i agree on the one paced comments. A natural finisher would have taken hatton out around the 6th or 7th when he was clearly struggling. He let him back in the fight and took his foot of the gas... or more likely gassed a bit.

He's certainly ortiz/berto standard for me... but whether he's any better than that i'm not sure... could be, but need to see him in with a fighter that brings a genuine threat and see how he handles some quality coming at him

Brooks will probably make a bee line for Senchenko probably in Sheffield in the summer. After that a few euro level fighters before a defence against Berto or Ortiz in a big(ger) money fight.[/quote]

Are you calling him 'Brooks' just to wind me up?

Really can’t understand people knocking Brook. Was a good performance against a solid opponent.

Anyone even with a passing interest or knowledge of boxing can see Brook has a huge amount of talent and has the potential to go all the way.

The lad is still 25 and learning his trade but the skills are obvious to see.

Would have been nice to get the KO last night but I think he suffered from trying too hard. Hatton also did a great job of holding and spoiling and was only there to survive in the end.

Really annoys me when people don’t support British fighter and find any excuse to knock people. To say Kell looks average, one paced etc and would struggle against the likes of Ortiz, Berto etc is laughable.

Just because he's british doesn't mean we should discuss faults where we see them. He's good, very good, but from my point of view, he could be much better.

he fancies himself as a world beater so needs to be judged by those standards owls... great you support your local boy but others are just offering a perspective. He's never fought anyone of ortiz or berto standard, so to imply he'd walk through them as you do is no less laughable than thise calling him average

owls101 wrote:Really can’t understand people knocking Brook. Was a good performance against a solid opponent.

Anyone even with a passing interest or knowledge of boxing can see Brook has a huge amount of talent and has the potential to go all the way.

The lad is still 25 and learning his trade but the skills are obvious to see.

Would have been nice to get the KO last night but I think he suffered from trying too hard. Hatton also did a great job of holding and spoiling and was only there to survive in the end.

Really annoys me when people don’t support British fighter and find any excuse to knock people. To say Kell looks average, one paced etc and would struggle against the likes of Ortiz, Berto etc is laughable.

And It annoys me when people take others people's out of context.

Re read the posts. Everyone has said he is good, very good in fact, we all like him but he wasn't the superstar last night. We have been critical of the matchmaking of Chavez Jr and Canelo, but look at there CV's, head and shoulders above brooks. He was one paced, if he wasn't then he would have got the KO when he had hatton going.

And in regards to berto and Ortiz, most people have said he beats berto and Ortiz is a tough one to call. He has fought at a higher level and we now what he can and can't do. Ortiz has decked every opponents he's fought bar mayweather and kells best opponent on his record is hatton.Khan has fought at world class for a few years now so if someone thinks khan beats him then they have every right to think that.