Euro 2012 Squad

It's not that far away.

Keepers

Hart
Foster
Green

Defenders

Terry
Ferdinand
Cahill
Smalling
Cole
Baines
Johnson

Midfileders

Lampard
Gerrard
Parker
Wilshere
Johnson
Carrick
Lennon
Barry

Forwards

Rooney
Walcott
Young
Defoe
Sturridge

Wouldn't take...

Lampard
Carrick
Lennon
Barry
Johnson

Would take instead...

Oxlade Chamberlain
Cleverley
Carroll
Walker
Jones

Goalkeepers

1 Joe Hart
13 David Stockdale
23 John Ruddy

Defenders

2 Glen Johnson
12 Micah Richards
5 Michael Dawson
6 Phil Jagielka
16 Gary Cahill
15 Phil Jones
3 Ashley Cole

Midfielders

8 Steven Gerrard
4 Scott Parker
11 Ashley Young
7 Theo Walcott
17 Adam Johnson
20 Aaron Lennon
22 Jack Wilshere
14 Frank Lampard

Strikers

10 Wayne Rooney
9 Danny Welbeck
18 Daniel Sturridge
21 Peter Crouch
19 Jermaine Defoe

I was thinking Jones. He can play in midfield as well, if needed of course.

I wanted a bit of experience, hence a couple of old timers.

That strikeforce is shocking without Rooney for first two games. Welbeck is appaling, Sturridge isn't a striker and Defoe has played very little this season. Can seriously see us needing to win our last group game to qualify.......it's always the same with England. Also its inevitable there will be casualties during the run-in so you can never list a squad.

Would you take a half fit Wilshire? Hasn't played for a long time and although a good player isn't worth the risk of having to carry an injured player in the squad.

John wrote:That strikeforce is shocking without Rooney for first two games. Welbeck is appaling, Sturridge isn't a striker and Defoe has played very little this season. Can seriously see us needing to win our last group game to qualify.......it's always the same with England. Also its inevitable there will be casualties during the run-in so you can never list a squad.

Who else is there?

hampo171 wrote:Would you take a half fit Wilshire? Hasn't played for a long time and although a good player isn't worth the risk of having to carry an injured player in the squad.

He's bloody good so if he can get a couple of games in then yes.

People are picking Wellbeck but is first touch is crap at times and he looked woeful against Holland although he was lobbed up front on his own by Pearce, who I hope does not get the job.

That's a point, I didn't pick a manager.

Redknapp.

Crimey wrote:

John wrote:That strikeforce is shocking without Rooney for first two games. Welbeck is appaling, Sturridge isn't a striker and Defoe has played very little this season. Can seriously see us needing to win our last group game to qualify.......it's always the same with England. Also its inevitable there will be casualties during the run-in so you can never list a squad.

Who else is there?

You've got 2 choices....

Sturridge and Carroll and got 4-4-2.

Or play Sturridge as the lone front man with Oxo and Young as the wingers with Wilshere Gerrard and Park behind them.

Stella wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Would you take a half fit Wilshire? Hasn't played for a long time and although a good player isn't worth the risk of having to carry an injured player in the squad.

He's bloody good so if he can get a couple of games in then yes.

People are picking Wellbeck but is first touch is crap at times and he looked woeful against Holland although he was lobbed up front on his own by Pearce, who I hope does not get the job.

That's a point, I didn't pick a manager.

Redknapp.

Hasn't played since since June, going into a compressed fixtures situation like the Euros or World Cup match fitness is at an importance. Unless he proves his fitness by playing for Arsenal he shouldn't go. What if he goes and gets injured instantly with the same thing that's kept him out for this season, a player down and not worth the risk for any player.

hampo171 wrote:

Stella wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Would you take a half fit Wilshire? Hasn't played for a long time and although a good player isn't worth the risk of having to carry an injured player in the squad.

He's bloody good so if he can get a couple of games in then yes.

People are picking Wellbeck but is first touch is crap at times and he looked woeful against Holland although he was lobbed up front on his own by Pearce, who I hope does not get the job.

That's a point, I didn't pick a manager.

Redknapp.

Hasn't played since since June, going into a compressed fixtures situation like the Euros or World Cup match fitness is at an importance. Unless he proves his fitness by playing for Arsenal he shouldn't go. What if he goes and gets injured instantly with the same thing that's kept him out for this season, a player down and not worth the risk for any player.

Yeah risky, I know.

Of course he will also be fresh unlike some who have played 70 odd games.

Someone has to do an Irish one so I think I will have a cut

Goalkeepers
Shay Given
Keiran Westwood
David Forde

Defenders

Sean St.Ledger
Seamus Coleman
Richard Dunne
John O'Shea
Stephen Ward
Darren O'Dea
Kevin Foley

Midfielders
James McCarthy
Keith Fahey
Glenn Whelan
Keith Andrews
Damien Duff
James McClean
Aidan McGeady
Liam Lawerance

Forwards
Robbie Keane
Shane Long
Jonathan Walters
Kevin Doyle
Simon Cox


I don't think Trap will pick McClean and mighn't pick McCarthy either.

Keepers

Hart
Foster
Ruddy

Defenders

Jones
Lescott
Cahill
Richards
Cole
Baines
Walker

Midfielders

Cleverley
Walcot
Parker
Wilshere
Johnson
Carrick
Ox
Dyer

Forwards

Rooney
Sturridge
Crouch
Graham
Holt

GG wrote:Keepers

Hart
Foster
Ruddy

Defenders

Jones
Lescott
Cahill
Richards
Cole
Baines
Walker

Midfielders

Cleverley
Walcot
Parker
Wilshere
Johnson
Carrick
Ox
Dyer

Forwards

Rooney
Sturridge
Crouch
Graham
Holt

I would agree with taking Holt and Graham but I would swap Crouch for Welbeck and Carrick for Gerrard. And Ruddy as 3rd choice GK as well!
I like this squad a lot

GG wrote:Keepers

Hart
Foster
Ruddy

Defenders

Jones
Lescott
Cahill
Richards
Cole
Baines
Walker

Midfielders

Cleverley
Walcot
Parker
Wilshere
Johnson
Carrick
Ox
Dyer

Forwards

Rooney
Sturridge
Crouch
Graham
Holt

That squad would struggle for goals.

Thomond wrote:

GG wrote:Keepers

Hart
Foster
Ruddy

Defenders

Jones
Lescott
Cahill
Richards
Cole
Baines
Walker

Midfielders

Cleverley
Walcot
Parker
Wilshere
Johnson
Carrick
Ox
Dyer

Forwards

Rooney
Sturridge
Crouch
Graham
Holt

That squad would struggle for goals.

Holt - 12 Prem goals this season
Graham - 10 Prem goals this season
Rooney - 21 Prem goals this season
Sturridge - 10 Prem goals this season

Seem to have it covered I think

Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level. Similar reason why Ireland will struggle for goals at the Euros. I don't see Ireland or England having a great torunament.

Thomond wrote:Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level. Similar reason why Ireland will struggle for goals at the Euros. I don't see Ireland or England having a great torunament.

Many people said they wouldn't cut it at Premier League level...
Just saying

I'd rather have owen than Holt

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

Second this.

Striker-wise i'd only take:

Rooney
Sturridge
Welbeck
Crouch

Why take a 5th striker when its likely we'll only be playing 1 central striker anyway? With players like Walcott, Johnson, Young, Oxlade-Chamberlain (hopefully), Downing (hopefully not) to play wide, we should have enough cover.

Full squad:

Hart
Carson
Stockdale

Richards
Cole
Baines
Walker
Jones
Terry
Cahill
Ferdinand

Gerrard
Parker
Wilshere
Carrick
Downing
Young
Ox-Chamberlain
Walcott

Rooney
Sturridge
Welbeck
Crouch

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

ollyrules wrote:

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

It's 1-1 in the final, we need a goal. Who would you want coming on?

Owen is injury prone and past his best but he knows where the net is.

Grant Holt is decent, he gets about the box but a lot of goals are put up on a plate for him.

Stella wrote:

ollyrules wrote:

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

It's 1-1 in the final, we need a goal. Who would you want coming on?

Owen is injury prone and past his best but he knows where the net is.

Woah woah woah. Final???

Lets make it realistic....

We're 1-1 in the final group game, needing a goal to qualify for the knockouts....

dancingweeman wrote:

Stella wrote:

ollyrules wrote:

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

It's 1-1 in the final, we need a goal. Who would you want coming on?

Owen is injury prone and past his best but he knows where the net is.

Woah woah woah. Final???

Lets make it realistic....

We're 1-1 in the final group game, needing a goal to qualify for the knockouts....

You get my point though?

Walcott should be played upfront a head of Welbeck and Sturridge. His pace is scary and although he has a poor end product as a winger he knows where the goal is.

Welbeck and Sturridge aren't great finishers to be honest.

Stella wrote:

dancingweeman wrote:

Stella wrote:

ollyrules wrote:

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

It's 1-1 in the final, we need a goal. Who would you want coming on?

Owen is injury prone and past his best but he knows where the net is.

Woah woah woah. Final???

Lets make it realistic....

We're 1-1 in the final group game, needing a goal to qualify for the knockouts....

You get my point though?

Of course. And i agree with it completely!

Stella wrote:

ollyrules wrote:

Stella wrote:I'd rather have owen than Holt

It's 1-1 in the final, we need a goal. Who would you want coming on?

Owen is injury prone and past his best but he knows where the net is.

So does Holt as well!

hampo171 wrote:Walcott should be played upfront a head of Welbeck and Sturridge. His pace is scary and although he has a poor end product as a winger he knows where the goal is.

Welbeck and Sturridge aren't great finishers to be honest.

welbeck and sturridge are way better finishers. walcott has one good game a month at the most.

starting lineup i like and is niicccceeeeeeee.

Hart
Walker, Jones, Terry, Baines
OX , Parker, Wilshere, Johnson
Rooney, Sturridge

If Downing and Carroll are in the squad ahead of Dyer and Graham/Holt I hope England lose every game.

GG wrote:If Downing and Carroll are in the squad ahead of Dyer and Graham/Holt I hope England lose every game.

I totally agree. The arguement that Dyer, Graham and Holt shouldn't go because they don't have experience is rubbish cos they are in form unlike loads of other players

Exactly Olly, you need in form players if you're gonna have a chance of doing well. And as for this:

Thomond wrote:Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level.

They seem to be doing well in the Premier League this season. Is that not the top level?

GG wrote:Exactly Olly, you need in form players if you're gonna have a chance of doing well. And as for this:

Thomond wrote:Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level.

They seem to be doing well in the Premier League this season. Is that not the top level?

It's just because they don't play for so called 'big clubs'

GG wrote:Exactly Olly, you need in form players if you're gonna have a chance of doing well. And as for this:

Thomond wrote:Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level.

They seem to be doing well in the Premier League this season. Is that not the top level?

No becasue the Prem isn't the best league in the world. Bundesliga would be best for competitiveness. Holt has scored against Chelsea (some of the worst keeping I have seen from Hilario in one game) and United but has he scored agaisnt other teams at the top of the league? Fair enough, he is a very decent player and has come on a lot, I just don't think he is the kind of guy England should look at. Would he suit their gameplan? I think playing a pacier striker like Defoe (Walcott if he could play up there) or Wellbeck suits England more than playing with Holt. At the end of the day I don't care who he plays for, I don't support a team in the Prem.

Thomond wrote:

GG wrote:Exactly Olly, you need in form players if you're gonna have a chance of doing well. And as for this:

Thomond wrote:Holt and Graham won't cut it at the top level.

They seem to be doing well in the Premier League this season. Is that not the top level?

No becasue the Prem isn't the best league in the world. Bundesliga would be best for competitiveness. Holt has scored against Chelsea (some of the worst keeping I have seen from Hilario in one game) and United but has he scored agaisnt other teams at the top of the league? Fair enough, he is a very decent player and has come on a lot, I just don't think he is the kind of guy England should look at. Would he suit their gameplan? I think playing a pacier striker like Defoe (Walcott if he could play up there) or Wellbeck suits England more than playing with Holt. At the end of the day I don't care who he plays for, I don't support a team in the Prem.

Holt has scored against Newcastle and Liverpool as well! Defoe really? How can you take someone who isn't playing regular first team football

I think Defoe is more suited to how England seem to want to play, as I have said, I don't have a keen interest in the Prem, so I wouldn't know many pacy English fellas capable of that job.


I don't think any of the strikers Ireland will take are getting regular first team football bar Walters!

Thomond wrote:I think Defoe is more suited to how England seem to want to play, as I have said, I don't have a keen interest in the Prem, so I wouldn't know many pacy English fellas capable of that job.


I don't think any of the strikers Ireland will take are getting regular first team football bar Walters!

Long, Doyle, Keane (albeit for an MLS team )

Doyle and Long aren't that regular starters are they? Both are from my local Irish side. We are always robbed of our top talent! 117,000 for Doyle and Long, FFS.

Thomond wrote:Doyle and Long aren't that regular starters are they? Both are from my local Irish side. We are always robbed of our top talent! 117,000 for Doyle and Long, FFS.

That's outrageous!!!

What do you think of Norwich's Irish players? Hoolahan, Pilkington and Tierney (before he got injured)

Hoolahan played with Shelbourne in Ireland before he left for Blackpool. Was a top player then, is even better now. Shame he isn't involved in the set up but Trap is a bit of an idiot. Pilkington seems solid enough, good cross but Ireland have depth on the wing. Tierney won't make the squad but he seems like a handy player.

To be fair on Doyler, he had a clause in his contract and Long had only played a few games for Cork City at the time.

Nobody in Norwich can understand how Hoolahan doesn't get in the Irish squad tbh!

Pilks has can nick a goal, has two great feet and a great work rate. The wings however are one of your stronger areas.

Tierney would have been on outside bet before he got injured.

To be fair Whelan and Andrews are playing well at the moment, from what I know. Whelan would probably be closer to getting dropped. Some of it has to do with Trap's style, he doesn't want attacking centre mids.

Hoolahan can really only play CAM or in a midfield 3 where he can push on. But he is worth it, he is the hub of our attacks and he works his socks off getting back as well. He covered the 3rd most distance for us this season which is very good for a little man

Terrible shame that Carroll hasn't progressed at all at Anfield, as he would of been in my squad based on his Newcastle form. He's the type of player England needed to differentiate themselves.

My team would be

GK Hart (sensational, probably the best England keeper since Peter Shilton!)

RB Richards
CB Cahill
CB Terry
LD A Cole

RAM Oxlade
CM Wilshire
DMC Parker
CM Gerrard
LAM A Young

STR Rooney

12.GK Stockdale
13.GK Ruddy
14.DF Baines
15.DF Smalling
16.DF Jones
17.DF Lescott
18.DMC Barry (I want Scholes badly)
19.MF Milner
20.Wng Walcott
21.STR Welbeck
22.STR Sturridge
23.STR Bent

Possible Wildcard- I'd take Paul Scholes over Barry if he comes out of retirement. He really does have that creative talent England desperately miss.

Playes that miss out:

Lampard (although "insert name" will defiantly take him at the expense of a striker such as Zamora or Welbeck/ Sturridge)

Glenn Johnson (Not good enough defensively). Walker is better, but I feel Jones and Smalling offer great options in other areas of the park.

Ferdinand/ Dawson/ King- players in the squad above are less prone to injury.

Adam Johnson. If you can't get into your own club side, you shouldn't be selected for England.

Whoever we take up front is of little consequence, once he returns from suspension we will look to rely on Rooney for our goals, the others simply aren't good enough against the best teams in the world. Personally see little point in picking an uncapped 30yr old in Holt when he offers no long term option.

I would take Peter Crouch as a striker, i'm sure if asked he would return to the side as he objected to Capello as manager, with Pearce and potentially Redknapp as manager it would be preferable to him i'm sure. Also he has an excellent scoring record for england.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Whoever we take up front is of little consequence, once he returns from suspension we will look to rely on Rooney for our goals, the others simply aren't good enough against the best teams in the world. Personally see little point in picking an uncapped 30yr old in Holt when he offers no long term option.

agree with that point about holt

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Whoever we take up front is of little consequence, once he returns from suspension we will look to rely on Rooney for our goals, the others simply aren't good enough against the best teams in the world. Personally see little point in picking an uncapped 30yr old in Holt when he offers no long term option.

But this isn't about the long term. It's about the right here right now.