Wayne Barnes' performance in the HEC semi-final.

by Portnoy Mon 30 Apr 2012, 8:50 am

First topic message reminder :

I have to say that if I was an ASM fan then I'd be feeling even more grumpy than normal.

I felt that Leinster were extremely lucky not to be YCed at least once - probably twice and the balance of decisions was to my mind was seriously in favour of the Ladyboys particularly in the first half.

This post ain't going to be popular is it?

by Gibson Tue 01 May 2012, 5:46 pm

SecretFly wrote:
whocares wrote:
Leinster didnt show much (maybe they didnt need to ?) but could well have lost for some details : Darcy tackle that turned Fofana on his side hence preventing him to put the ball down correctly without dislocating his shoulder, Parra decision making at the end (he could have gone for a scrum at the last penatly, might have been a better platform), one or two more penalties for Clermont scrum during the 1st half (wouldnt have been shocking) that could have resulted in a 15-3 score at half time etc etc

You're right, with a bit of 'luck' Clermont might have actually won a game they should have won anyway with the 'home' advantage, the potent Top14 credentials, the published This Year intent to do the HC, the volatile fans that booed Leinster's cheating as they emerged from the tunnel , the belief between Rougerie and Fofana, and indeed Hines, that they'd make Leinster's pretensions crumble under the strain of Clermont's punch.

Yep, a little luck might have gone a long way for poor Clermont.

I believe that ASM have learned that extremely hard and required lesson, that all winners of the HC have to learn the painful way. No one has ever won this Cup on a lucky streak. It takes years of hardened experience and hurt, to even build the bottle enough, to go all the way. It takes years of pain to even get to a Final. Well, Ulster in 99 by-passed it maybe... but besides that one.

Ratchitup mon!

by MrsP Tue 01 May 2012, 5:54 pm

I'm confused about the 1999 European Cup.

Am I to presume that Leinster boycotted the competition that year too?

by Portnoy Tue 01 May 2012, 5:54 pm

Gibson wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
whocares wrote:
Leinster didnt show much (maybe they didnt need to ?) but could well have lost for some details : Darcy tackle that turned Fofana on his side hence preventing him to put the ball down correctly without dislocating his shoulder, Parra decision making at the end (he could have gone for a scrum at the last penatly, might have been a better platform), one or two more penalties for Clermont scrum during the 1st half (wouldnt have been shocking) that could have resulted in a 15-3 score at half time etc etc

You're right, with a bit of 'luck' Clermont might have actually won a game they should have won anyway with the 'home' advantage, the potent Top14 credentials, the published This Year intent to do the HC, the volatile fans that booed Leinster's cheating as they emerged from the tunnel , the belief between Rougerie and Fofana, and indeed Hines, that they'd make Leinster's pretensions crumble under the strain of Clermont's punch.

Yep, a little luck might have gone a long way for poor Clermont.

I believe that ASM have learned that extremely hard and required lesson, that all winners of the HC have to learn the painful way. No one has ever won this Cup on a lucky streak. It takes years of hardened experience and hurt, to even build the bottle enough, to go all the way. It takes years of pain to even get to a Final. Well, Ulster in 99 by-passed it maybe... but besides that one.

Ratchitup mon!

Ain't that just right.

I can't see Ulster matching Leinster on the day (although I'd like them to).

I'm harbouring dreams that the new Leicester team may have a sniff of a hope of at least a semi-final spot next season. But it's been a long, long time and so many lessons have to be re-learned.

by Gibson Tue 01 May 2012, 6:16 pm

Oh I can see Ulster matching and bettering us on the day. Dont want to, but with a full compliment... yes, I can see it. Just re-look at their 1st XV. So strong in all departments. So full of nous. Far more so than ASM.

Our bench may be the key. I hope.

Its a righteous Final either way.

by **rodders** Tue 01 May 2012, 6:28 pm

Gibson wrote:Oh I can see Ulster matching and bettering us on the day.......blah bah blah... yes, I can see it. Just re-look at their 1st XV. So strong in all departments. So full of nous. Far more so than ASM.

blah blah blah.....

+ 1000 well said Gibson!

........

by anotherworldofpain Tue 01 May 2012, 11:52 pm

Is about momentum. Faster rugby in the south pacific countries mean the ball travel forward sometime even when pass backward. Here in England the player are more static and about the referee not know the physic so well. Also not help that Wayne Barne always afected so much by the crowd.

by HammerofThunor Tue 01 May 2012, 11:56 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:Is about momentum. Faster rugby in the south pacific countries mean the ball travel forward sometime even when pass backward. Here in England the player are more static and about the referee not know the physic so well. Also not help that Wayne Barne always afected so much by the crowd.

You do know that's gibberish right? Not the English but the physics.

by Pot Hale Wed 02 May 2012, 1:05 am

HammerofThunor wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:Is about momentum. Faster rugby in the south pacific countries mean the ball travel forward sometime even when pass backward. Here in England the player are more static and about the referee not know the physic so well. Also not help that Wayne Barne always afected so much by the crowd.

You do know that's gibberish right? Not the English but the physics.

I thought the physics sounded quite plausible...... compared to the English.

by Mickado Wed 02 May 2012, 7:21 am

HammerofThunor wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:Is about momentum. Faster rugby in the south pacific countries mean the ball travel forward sometime even when pass backward. Here in England the player are more static and about the referee not know the physic so well. Also not help that Wayne Barne always afected so much by the crowd.

You do know that's gibberish right? Not the English but the physics.

A "momentum forward pass" isn't illegal and it stands to reason that the faster you're running the more pronounced that will be.

by HammerofThunor Wed 02 May 2012, 8:36 am

But they don't run faster in the SH. The games is played at a faster rate but that has nothing to do with the forward speed when passing the ball.

And whether it's illegal or not is a matter for debate. It's let go but so is going off your feet at rucks, etc. I've heard refs specifically say a pass was definately forward because it was passed one side of a line and caught the other. And you ever find a ref willing to let a pass go that was passed in the field of play and caught in the in-goal area I'd except it. Currently it's something that is ingored or applied depending on where a pass occured, the ref and quite possibly the team playing, and I hate it with a passion. It's also never applied when going backwards (although some refs think that a knockon is the same as a fumble).

It's very difficult to make the ball go backwards when travelling at a high forward speed but mean it should be scrapped. dumbing down the game I say and I'd be all for electronically tracking the ball and blowing for a scrum EVERY time the ball is even slightly forward. It is THE key aspect of the game (other than the handling and scoring). It also does my head in that's it's called the momentum pass. Why not the velocity pass? It should be the relative pass.

by **profitius** Thu 03 May 2012, 12:49 am

Just watched a replay of the game.

Remember the forward pass from Clermont in the first half when the replay showed it was a very harsh call? Well loads of people were complaining about that. I'm just pointing out that the whistle blew before the replayed pass was made. It was Hines who threw a forward inside pass before that. Sky showed the wrong pass.

by geoff998rugby Thu 03 May 2012, 9:34 am

Gald it wasn't just me. I couldn't believe Sky showed the pass they did - the forward pass was clearly earlier.

Sky got it wrong

by LordDowlais Thu 03 May 2012, 10:06 am

People, that was one moment in a game of incidents, its gone now so lets look forward to the final and not talk about the ref afterwards. Ale

by Mickado Thu 03 May 2012, 10:08 am

LordDowlais wrote:People, that was one moment in a game of incidents, its gone now so lets look forward to the final and not talk about the ref afterwards.

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 10:48 am

Portnoy wrote:I have to say that if I was an ASM fan then I'd be feeling even more grumpy than normal.

I felt that Leinster were extremely lucky not to be YCed at least once - probably twice and the balance of decisions was to my mind was seriously in favour of the Ladyboys particularly in the first half.

This post ain't going to be popular is it?

What a fantastic weekend!! Just about recovered now!! Thanks to all the wonderful ASM fans!! The best fans in the world!!!

Oh and Portnoy, dry your teees matey!

by Portnoy Thu 03 May 2012, 11:39 am

BoyneRFC wrote:
Portnoy wrote:I have to say that if I was an ASM fan then I'd be feeling even more grumpy than normal.

I felt that Leinster were extremely lucky not to be YCed at least once - probably twice and the balance of decisions was to my mind was seriously in favour of the Ladyboys particularly in the first half.

This post ain't going to be popular is it?

What a fantastic weekend!! Just about recovered now!! Thanks to all the wonderful ASM fans!! The best fans in the world!!!

Oh and Portnoy, dry your teees matey!

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 12:04 pm

Hahahahaha.

Enjoy ze final !!!

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 03 May 2012, 12:18 pm

Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

by **Biltong** Thu 03 May 2012, 12:23 pm

Mickado wrote:Cullen could have been carded for his "punch" on Faure and Darcy for interfering in the ruck but Boss was taken out of it off the ball in the lead up to the try and Cullen was fish hooked and punched at the last ruck. Both sides got away with mischief and the best side one.

Cest la vie!

I agree with that, but the referees really need to stop these players standing in an offside position of the ruck and blocking defenders.

by Portnoy Thu 03 May 2012, 12:26 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

The fact that the number of penalties or count of offences is immaterial. That's the ref's count. The number of disputable decisions is.

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 12:33 pm

by Portnoy Thu 03 May 2012, 12:37 pm

BoyneRFC wrote:

is a bit difficult to interpret.
Can you elaborate?

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 03 May 2012, 12:40 pm

Portnoy wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

The fact that the number of penalties or count of offences is immaterial. That's the ref's count. The number of disputable decisions is.

The number of dispuntable decisions is?I just showed you 2 decisions he missed that were blatant yellow cards for Clermont and I'd be confident I could find more if I looked.

I'm not claiming Leinster were whiter than white just that both sides were pushing the boat out but only the Leinster indiscretions seem to be highlighted.

by Portnoy Thu 03 May 2012, 12:50 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

The fact that the number of penalties or count of offences is immaterial. That's the ref's count. The number of disputable decisions is.

The number of dispuntable decisions is?I just showed you 2 decisions he missed that were blatant yellow cards for Clermont and I'd be confident I could find more if I looked.

I'm not claiming Leinster were whiter than white just that both sides were pushing the boat out but only the Leinster indiscretions seem to be highlighted.

If you present me with an equally-handed list of potential Leinster YCs then I'd be inclined to engage in this convo.

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 12:52 pm

Portnoy wrote:
BoyneRFC wrote:

is a bit difficult to interpret.
Can you elaborate?

Lol. Gotta love the bitterness from you. It's very satisfying that we upset you so much and that OUR successes prompt you to write such BS all the time.

thumbsup

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 12:52 pm

oh and dry your teees matey.... Laugh

by Gibson Thu 03 May 2012, 1:00 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

The fact that the number of penalties or count of offences is immaterial. That's the ref's count. The number of disputable decisions is.

The number of dispuntable decisions is?I just showed you 2 decisions he missed that were blatant yellow cards for Clermont and I'd be confident I could find more if I looked.

I'm not claiming Leinster were whiter than white just that both sides were pushing the boat out but only the Leinster indiscretions seem to be highlighted.

Well put Sore. I watched the match again - 3 times since. In English twice and French once. I always do that after a big game - before commenting on the nitty-gritty. Bit of nurd roysh. I kept seeing even more ASM indiscretions with each viewing and slowed-down analysis. Leinster too - in all fairness. This was always going to happen in a monumental tussle like this one. The stakes were massive. So, both teams took it to the edge.

The main reason Leinster are being hammered here, with regards to Barnes favouritism - is the fact that we WON. And are now starting to dominate it all a bit too much for others to take. We strive to play open-rugby to entertain all rugby fans. We refuse to be strangled or bullied by any team, in the pursuit of that ideal. And this is the thanks we get. We had to fight fire with fire, on top of all that. Our we'd get nowhere.

It comes with greatness. Be prepared for even more attacks if this success continues. Me? I phhhookin love it!

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 1:04 pm

Gibson- please point me in the direction of full highlights if you can. English or French

Thanks

by kunu Thu 03 May 2012, 1:04 pm

Leinster disputeable yellow cards: Cullen, D'arcy, and whoever went offside at the end to give Clermont a penalty at the Leinster line. Clermont possible yellows: Cudmore for taking out Boss miles off the ball, and actually injuring him, Bardy for leading with the head into the ruck and butting cullen, and rougerie for killing the ball at Clermont line when Leinster looked like scoring at 70 or so mins.

by Feckless Rogue Thu 03 May 2012, 1:05 pm

Gibson wrote:The main reason Leinster are being hammered here, with regards to Barnes favouritism - is the fact that we WON. And are now starting to dominate it all a bit too much for others to take. We strive to play open-rugby to entertain all rugby fans. We refuse to be strangled or bullied by any team, in the pursuit of that ideal. And this is the thanks we get. We had to fight fire with fire, on top of all that. Our we'd get nowhere.

It comes with greatness. Be prepared for even more attacks if this success continues. Me? I phhhookin love it!

That's pretty much spot on Gibson.

by **Biltong** Thu 03 May 2012, 1:06 pm

Bardy for leading with the head into the ruck and butting cullen,

Butch James got banned for 4 weeks and recieved a yellow card for doing a similar thing during the Super Xv last weekend.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 03 May 2012, 1:08 pm

BoyneRFC wrote:Gibson- please point me in the direction of full highlights if you can. English or French

Thanks

Link to highlights

by kunu Thu 03 May 2012, 1:10 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz_EQ1wMV_M&feature=player_embedded#! so has Bakkies botha

by BoyneRFC Thu 03 May 2012, 1:12 pm

Thanks Asbo!

by Gibson Thu 03 May 2012, 1:18 pm

Thats the one As & Boyne. But best to PM it. Dreamer and Kiwi will be after yer skhin!

Thats a great site btw Boyne. Mickado sussed it out and spread the rugby lurve. I have near all our HC games over the last few years from it. A simple sign-up does the trick mo chara. Wayne Barnes' performance in the HEC semi-final. - Page 3 3610695981

Wayne Barnes' performance in the HEC semi-final. - Page 3 3610695981

P.S. Good man for going down to Bordeaux. Ye were magnificent in the face of so many (brilliant) opposition fans. They (AMS fans) are the biz tho are they not? Just superb fans. I heard some were signing Molly Malone after the game? Is that true?

I got texts from those I had met in Dublin and down there - straight after the game. No bitterness. Just well dones and you were the better team.

Maybe I should get some of em on here...

by asoreleftshoulder Thu 03 May 2012, 1:19 pm

Portnoy wrote:
The number of dispuntable decisions is?I just showed you 2 decisions he missed that were blatant yellow cards for Clermont and I'd be confident I could find more if I looked.

I'm not claiming Leinster were whiter than white just that both sides were pushing the boat out but only the Leinster indiscretions seem to be highlighted.

If you present me with an equally-handed list of potential Leinster YCs then I'd be inclined to engage in this convo.[/quote]

Kunu just did it for me a few posts up,I think he covers all the obvious ones.Again I'm sure if I looked closer I could find more indiscretions that went unpunished on both sides.

by **Biltong** Thu 03 May 2012, 1:19 pm

kunu wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz_EQ1wMV_M&feature=player_embedded#! so has Bakkies botha

He has recieved many bans for that. Doh

by Guest Thu 03 May 2012, 1:22 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:
Gibson wrote:The main reason Leinster are being hammered here, with regards to Barnes favouritism - is the fact that we WON. And are now starting to dominate it all a bit too much for others to take. We strive to play open-rugby to entertain all rugby fans. We refuse to be strangled or bullied by any team, in the pursuit of that ideal. And this is the thanks we get. We had to fight fire with fire, on top of all that. Our we'd get nowhere.

It comes with greatness. Be prepared for even more attacks if this success continues. Me? I phhhookin love it!

That's pretty much spot on Gibson.

I'll have to remember this the next time you lovely Irish sorts decide to bellyache about something when Wales turn you over again Wink

by Portnoy Thu 03 May 2012, 1:22 pm

Gibson wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Portnoy wrote:

Thanks for your wishes to to stop crying.
Actually I wasn't, but I just flagged up an instance of yet another game in which referee decisions were seemingly more than a bit random and resulted in team A getting the advantage of calls over team B.

Doesn't really stand up to scrutiny,,both teams gave away the same amount of penalties yet Leinster were the only team warned.Clermont killed the ball when Kearney nearly scored early in the 2nd half,cynical and should have been a yellow,Boss was hit with a cheap shot off the ball in the build up to Leinsters try,,cynical and should have been a yellow and finally Leo Cullen was hit with a flying headbutt in the ruck just before SoB won the last penalty so even if you think he was off his feet Leinster should have had a penalty anyway.

That's just the few incidents I can pick out without having watched a replay of the game,I bet there are loads more if I looked at it closely.

Being regular winners does come with a heavy price.
But seeing as (I promise) I watched this game through neutral eyes being a game between two sides from the countries I always favour as being my equally regard as my favourite NH (or any) non-English nations.

And I still think that Barnes hammered ASM - especially in the first half.

The fact that the number of penalties or count of offences is immaterial. That's the ref's count. The number of disputable decisions is.

The number of dispuntable decisions is?I just showed you 2 decisions he missed that were blatant yellow cards for Clermont and I'd be confident I could find more if I looked.

I'm not claiming Leinster were whiter than white just that both sides were pushing the boat out but only the Leinster indiscretions seem to be highlighted.

Well put Sore. I watched the match again - 3 times since. In English twice and French once. I always do that after a big game - before commenting on the nitty-gritty. Bit of nurd roysh. I kept seeing even more ASM indiscretions with each viewing and slowed-down analysis. Leinster too - in all fairness. This was always going to happen in a monumental tussle like this one. The stakes were massive. So, both teams took it to the edge.

The main reason Leinster are being hammered here, with regards to Barnes favouritism - is the fact that we WON. And are now starting to dominate it all a bit too much for others to take. We strive to play open-rugby to entertain all rugby fans. We refuse to be strangled or bullied by any team, in the pursuit of that ideal. And this is the thanks we get. We had to fight fire with fire, on top of all that. Our we'd get nowhere.

It comes with greatness. Be prepared for even more attacks if this success continues. Me? I phhhookin love it!

by Mickado Thu 03 May 2012, 1:30 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
BoyneRFC wrote:Gibson- please point me in the direction of full highlights if you can. English or French

Thanks

https://acrossthetasman.com/forumdisplay.php?423-Heineken-Cup-11-12

For some reason you can't just google Accross the Tasman any more, maybe the Irish SOPA is blocking google from directing me to a torrent site. Bookmark it lads, it's priceless. Have virtually all of our games from the HC downloaded.

by Feckless Rogue Thu 03 May 2012, 1:36 pm

Sin E told me about acrossthetasman. Have all the classic Leinster games now. I could never get my hands on Ireland v England 2007 though.

by Gibson Thu 03 May 2012, 1:51 pm

Risca Rev wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:
Gibson wrote:The main reason Leinster are being hammered here, with regards to Barnes favouritism - is the fact that we WON. And are now starting to dominate it all a bit too much for others to take. We strive to play open-rugby to entertain all rugby fans. We refuse to be strangled or bullied by any team, in the pursuit of that ideal. And this is the thanks we get. We had to fight fire with fire, on top of all that. Our we'd get nowhere.

It comes with greatness. Be prepared for even more attacks if this success continues. Me? I phhhookin love it!

That's pretty much spot on Gibson.

I'll have to remember this the next time you lovely Irish sorts decide to bellyache about something when Wales turn you over again

Wayne Barnes' performance in the HEC semi-final. - Page 3 810156456

Also true Rev. Also true mo chara.

by Gibson Thu 03 May 2012, 1:54 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:Sin E told me about acrossthetasman. Have all the classic Leinster games now. I could never get my hands on Ireland v England 2007 though.

Feckless, yerself and SIN E big buds, eh? Noice. Wink

I downloaded all the great Irish games (including that one) - from YouBoob. I'll find you one and then you will see the rest. Expect a PM bud. Wayne Barnes' performance in the HEC semi-final. - Page 3 3610695981

by Feckless Rogue Thu 03 May 2012, 2:18 pm

Thanks Gibson. Sin e is a grand chap. Even though I disagree with him on everything. You have to have different opinions or a forum like this would be pretty dull, wouldn't it. I think all the Irish poster secretly love sin. 45% of the time.

by **profitius** Thu 03 May 2012, 11:29 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgM5clYV5o

Watch Cudmore "tackle" Boss. 14 seconds in. Sky missed that too.

by thebluesmancometh Thu 03 May 2012, 11:35 pm

I saw that prof, he goes a long way to give Boss a shoulder slap!!!

by BoyneRFC Fri 04 May 2012, 10:14 am

thebluesmancometh wrote:I saw that prof, he goes a long way to give Boss a shoulder slap!!!

Dumb f&*k should have been back defending the try.

As in life, you reap what you sow.

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