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Post by bretmeharty Wed 02 May 2012, 12:45 pm

First off let me say I understand him being C.O.O. of the company and he may have to appear on screen from time to time, but why is it he has to appear and get involved in the hottest angle of the year.
Take last year, gets involved in the CM Punk storyline which he almost killed the crap out of and any momentum CM Punk had along with his big footed friend Kevin Nash and I still don't know where they where going with it, it never furthered anything and im still confused about it today. (essentially it was just to give his buddy a payday which helped no one)

And now we have him getting involved with Brock Lesnar, and after "breaking" HHH's arm, no doubt HHH will make a comeback and have a match with Lesnar down the road.
Sure he's got the perfect excuse to come back at any time and slot into any angle perfectly which would have no one none the wiser in my opinion.

Does it stink of HHH trying to remain relevant and choosing his angles and returns carefully?
When is he going to return and use his "storyline power" (the right way not like last year) to help guys who ultimately in turn will help him years ahead when he has the power for real.

Am i being unfair because of his reputation goes before him?
I dont think I am given his history.

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Post by Crimey Wed 02 May 2012, 1:03 pm

I can understand why the WWE would see it as a good idea, when you have a big name like Lesnar and you want to keep him relevant after a loss against Cena, he needs to face big name, and right now in the WWE the biggest name is John Cena, who he has already lost to, after that I think Undertaker or Triple H are probably the best options for Brock to face- this is assuming he goes over.

If Lesnar doesn't go over Triple H, it makes absolutely no sense for Lesnar to face him and you have to start asking the question of whether Vince brought Lesnar back just to bury him.

I can see why some think that Lesnar should perhaps go against CM Punk or Sheamus or Randy Orton or some other guy he can give the rub to, but I think the most important thing to do now is to put Brock over and he's going to get a lot more from going over Triple H than he is any of the other guys.

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Post by bretmeharty Wed 02 May 2012, 1:08 pm

Don't you think a program with say ....a Ziggler or someone, even with Brock going over would be better then an established star who has nothing to gain from it.

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Post by Crimey Wed 02 May 2012, 1:12 pm

It's just not a draw though, you ask any casual fan which match are they more likely to pay for- Ziggler vs. Lesnar or Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar, two of the biggest stars of the past ten years, and the answer is almost always going to be the latter. I don't think Lesnar will gain anything from going over Ziggler who has been beaten by Santino Marella in the past month. Triple H has been over as one of the toughest men in wrestling for over a decade now so beating HHH is going to give Lesnar back the legitimacy he may have lost from losing to Cena.

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Post by bretmeharty Wed 02 May 2012, 1:19 pm

Everyone has had to to start from somewhere, Stone Cold, The Rock there would of been times in 96 or 97 you could of easily said that about them. The only way these guys are going to become draws are with programs like these. Brocks not going to be there in 2 years down the line so why not use him while you have him and get the most out of his drawing power and have all the new/young guys face him.

Its like when you go for a job and they ask do you have any experience and you say no, they turn around to you and say sorry, and your like how can I get experience if you or anyone else are not willing to give me that chance. That must be how some of these guys are feeling.

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Post by Crimey Wed 02 May 2012, 1:23 pm

I think you're letting your feelings for Triple H as a man get in the way of the fact that it makes perfect sense for Lesnar to go over an established name considering he lost his big match back in the WWE.

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Post by bretmeharty Wed 02 May 2012, 1:26 pm

Would you agree he needs to get into a program with a Ziggler type after when/If he goes over HHH, and If he doesn't wwe may be missing the boat.

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Post by liverbnz Wed 02 May 2012, 1:26 pm

HHH vs Lesnar is probably the next biggest draw for WWE and Brock - save maybe for The Undertaker but they are possibly saving that for SummerSlam or Wrestlemania. So for that reason is makes sense to involve HHH with Brock now.

I agree with you on HHH and Big Daddy Foot pouring cold water on CM Punk last summer. I remember Nash responding to a tweet last year asking him if he was going to put Punk over at any stage. He said he definitely would be. He lied of course, but why bother? Why not just tell the truth? Unless of course he knew what he was doing was bad for business but has too big an ego to do things the right way.

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Post by liverbnz Wed 02 May 2012, 1:28 pm

bretmeharty wrote:Would you agree he needs to get into a program with a Ziggler type after when/If he goes over HHH, and If he doesn't wwe may be missing the boat.

It would make sense if Ziggler was WWE champion. Other than that, no.

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Post by bretmeharty Wed 02 May 2012, 1:36 pm

You'd have him go for the title straight away?, Id have him going up against all comers (going over them of course) help them try to get over. From a storyline point of view id make Brock earn his title shot while helping the other guys in the process.

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Post by liverbnz Wed 02 May 2012, 1:43 pm

Yes I would. Brock's in it for himself. He wants more money. Top wrestler in the company = WWE Champion = more money (theoretically of course). He's battered the face of the company, he's now targeted the man with the power so it makes sense his next target would be the man with the gold.

Maybe Ziggler can be the one to topple Lesnar (if he wins the title that is) and get his push to the top down that avenue, a la Eddie Guerrero.


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Post by Crimey Wed 02 May 2012, 1:45 pm

Dolph Ziggler has been going further down the card recently not up it, why would he get the opportunity to face Lesnar? It makes no sense.

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Post by JoshSansom Wed 02 May 2012, 1:53 pm

The Dolph comparison isn't the right one because the Rock wasn't a main eventer in 1997. The issue of what to do with Dolph is a different one for another time though I would be OK with the Brodus squashes if it leads to him breaking from Vickie either as a face or bigger heel.

In terms of Brock I would say that setting up a match with HHH for Summerslam would be the best draw, particularly with Brock likely to go over. In an ideal world I would have him win the WWE title from Cena at Royal Rumble and then defend through until WM where he would lose to a RR winning CM Punk.

That said I would expect they would go for Brock to face Rock or Taker at WM instead.

If he faced Taker I would love to see Punk wining the Rumble and defeating Rock at WM...

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Post by Buzzman Wed 02 May 2012, 5:10 pm

Triple H vs Brock Lesnar is a big draw, if anything, after the loss to Cena, taking HHH out like he did, makes him look dangerous! It was a good move, I mean who cares if he takes out a mid carder? As for a Triple H Lesnar wrestling match, whoever Brock faces next I expect him to win!

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Post by dallym Wed 02 May 2012, 11:22 pm

If you want to make Lesnar appear to be an unstoppable monster then you have him destroy HHH. Beating the likes of Dolph is the stuff for things like Brodus and A-Train

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Post by talkingpoint Fri 04 May 2012, 8:07 am

Brock is extremely limited in the people who he can feud with because he is such a big name. He's already faced Cena that just leaves the likes of Orton, HHH and Taker. The Miz, Ziggler, ADR etc are just not on that level yet and would not be seen as a credible opponent. Sheamus might potentially have the credibility or the drawing power 4-6 months down the line if he's given a good run with the WHC because as a natural heavyweight he has the height, power and build to match Lesnar, but his title run would have to be very, very strong.


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