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Post by Hero Thu 24 May 2012, 8:48 pm

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606V2 EURODivision


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Everyone in League A (who votes on League B) send their results to Hero.
Everyone in League B (who votes on League A) send their results to TSC

TACTICS NEED TO BE IN THIS WEDNESDAY (11PM) FOR THE FIRST WEEK OF SEASON 2.




To Qualify for the £2M Bonus, teams need to post their tactics by Midnight on Wednesday and PM their results by Midnight on Friday

NEW RULES!!!!

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League Breakdown and Rules

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League A

Athletico Bilbao Baggins FC - HeroReal Ale Sociedad - TwisTAC ALittleSilhouetteoOfAMan (AC ALSOAM) - MarkyStraight-Edge United - TheBrahmaBullCunning Canaries FC - ollyrules
Viva City - VivaPaulScholesTreble's Revenge - onlytreblewinners


Go Ahead Pigeons - Russell_Elmo

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The London Silly Nannies - sodhatJacamos United - TSCFC Furious - nick_furySporting Sideburns FC - GavAFC Swamp Donkeys - fernando
FC United of Bournemouth Town and Boscombe City Wanderers Athletic Football Club - cherriesfanBorussia Munchingballsack - Sainty


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Post by nick_fury Mon 28 May 2012, 4:00 pm

Jags has been bought in for Barry.
So a CB to replace an injured DM.................makes sense.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 28 May 2012, 4:00 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Afro I'm not talking about one measley bookies you need a few to make me believe that rubbish with links and everything. An then bookies from U.K.

Olly my team is settled we don't need to gel, we should be stronger next season because the players know each other better then your side.


I'm glad your team is settled, makes it easier to write tactics against Wink
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 28 May 2012, 4:01 pm

sodhat wrote:I do think team gelling may be a bit of a fallacy when we're playing a pretend game. I've never really voted with it in mind.

I have done it with chemistry. Like Cabaye and Tiote in CM together would have chemistry, but I don't take gelling into account.
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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:04 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Afro I'm not talking about one measley bookies you need a few to make me believe that rubbish with links and everything. An then bookies from U.K.


Well I can't be bothered to hunt for other european bookies, so I'll accept defeat on that one rather than go to the effort of proving it.

Fact is Huntelaar was top scorer in the Euros qualifying (for all teams), and scored twice as many as RVP, even when RVP was in his purple patch. It is more likely for people to think Huntelaar will outscore RVP, than vice versa isn't it?
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Post by Trebs Mon 28 May 2012, 4:12 pm

Huntelaar's 16/1 to be top scorer with RVP 11/1. That's outright not just Holland

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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:12 pm

Viva - how much are Rowntree's Jelly Aliens these days?
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Post by nick_fury Mon 28 May 2012, 4:14 pm

Huntelaar's 16/1 to be top scorer with RVP 11/1. That's outright not just Holland
Tough group you see.
Top GS will be Benzema, Ive got him at 14/1 £20 e/w

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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:14 pm

onlytreblewinners wrote:Huntelaar's 16/1 to be top scorer with RVP 11/1. That's outright not just Holland

A lot of that is to do with the money that has come for RVP based on his name and the subsequent exposure the bookies have to him.

16/1 for Huntelaar is a great price isn't it.
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Post by nick_fury Mon 28 May 2012, 4:16 pm

16/1 for Huntelaar is a great price isn't it.
If he is starting every match is will be a great price. If hes not then its abut right

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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:18 pm

He must have started most of the qualifying games to have got 12 goals.

I would have thought he would have been a starter.
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Post by The Special Juan Mon 28 May 2012, 4:21 pm

Gareth Barry out of the Euro's. This means England have a chance Laugh
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Post by nick_fury Mon 28 May 2012, 4:21 pm

He must have started most of the qualifying games to have got 12 goals.

I would have thought he would have been a starter.
Yeah I do too. I may stick £10 on him. Its just the group that puts me off. Thats why I only did £5 on klose....or was it £10.....

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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 28 May 2012, 4:23 pm

Rumors are that Huntelaar will be played as the main striker and Sneijder dropped.

Afro I agree with what you said but I asked for proof regarding the Bet you made that up you did a Hero there and trying to change the subject.

I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.
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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 28 May 2012, 4:24 pm

But like you said people will get swayed by Van Persie playing in the Prem getting overexposed and overated. The fact that he has a crap team made it even more dramatic.

Huntelaar > RVP all day.
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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:24 pm

nick_fury wrote:
He must have started most of the qualifying games to have got 12 goals.

I would have thought he would have been a starter.
Yeah I do too. I may stick £10 on him. Its just the group that puts me off. Thats why I only did £5 on klose....or was it £10.....

I know what you mean. They had San Marino et al, which helped bump up their goals, but then RVP scored 4 of his 6 goals in one game against San Marino, so his record is worse than it first looks.

Viva's bet of Huntelaar outscoring RVP looks nailed on to me, heck I might even travel to Holland just to take the 3/1 on Huntelaar being their top scorer.
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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:28 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:
Afro I agree with what you said but I asked for proof regarding the Bet you made that up you did a Hero there and trying to change the subject.


Not trying to change the subject, just can't be arsed to find more links to foreign bookies sites, so I would rather just accept you win that one.

English bookies odds are heavily influenced by RVP playing England and they will take a lot more money here for him than they would Huntelaar. Odds don't just reflect the likelihood of something happening. They more reflect the money taken and the risk the bookie is exposed to.
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Post by nick_fury Mon 28 May 2012, 4:28 pm

I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.
Vivas offer page lolol

Rumors are that Huntelaar will be played as the main striker and Sneijder dropped.

Shhhh, dont say that Viva, Sainty will have a fanny attack Wink

im out lads.


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Post by sodhat Mon 28 May 2012, 4:29 pm

VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:31 pm

sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

Not at 77p for 185g.

Viva offered 74p, but Tesco weren't having it. Viva refused to deal as he thought Tesco were being chicken
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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 28 May 2012, 4:31 pm

sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

Not at the original price.

Anyway I'm off see you badmans tomorrow.
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Post by sodhat Mon 28 May 2012, 4:33 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:
sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

Not at 77p for 185g.

Viva offered 74p, but Tesco weren't having it. Viva refused to deal as he thought Tesco were being chicken

Did he offer Yakubu as a part exchange?

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Post by Afro Mon 28 May 2012, 4:34 pm

sodhat wrote:
BigFellasAfro wrote:
sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

Not at 77p for 185g.

Viva offered 74p, but Tesco weren't having it. Viva refused to deal as he thought Tesco were being chicken

Did he offer Yakubu as a part exchange?

He did, but not because he wanted to. Just because he is the People's Champion.
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Post by ncfc_Tooze Mon 28 May 2012, 4:36 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:
sodhat wrote:
BigFellasAfro wrote:
sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:
I don't know how much Rowntrees Aliens are I just bought them on offer that one time.

Weren't they nice enough to hook you in?

Not at 77p for 185g.

Viva offered 74p, but Tesco weren't having it. Viva refused to deal as he thought Tesco were being chicken

Did he offer Yakubu as a part exchange?

He did, but not because he wanted to. Just because he is the People's Champion.

Bull isnt going to be happy with him, he has that copyrighted Wink

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Post by The Special Juan Mon 28 May 2012, 4:51 pm

Anymore news from "Troll of the Year"?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 28 May 2012, 4:58 pm

TSC wrote:Anymore news from "Troll of the Year"?

Who is that?
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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 4:58 pm

the one know as Hazard.

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Post by Hero Mon 28 May 2012, 5:08 pm

He's posted on Facebook...

Hey guys, i have made my choice. Going to share it soon.

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Post by The Special Juan Mon 28 May 2012, 5:55 pm

Doing my head in. When will he announce he's staying at Lille? Laugh
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Post by Hero Mon 28 May 2012, 6:22 pm

Breaking News!
Eden Hazard has failed his medical to Chelsea due to a swollen ego.

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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 6:26 pm

Laugh

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Post by The Special Juan Mon 28 May 2012, 6:26 pm

laughing
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Post by Marky Mon 28 May 2012, 6:31 pm

If I was a young Belgian footballer, who wouldn't mind going back home every now and then, and all the clubs after you could offer the same money and Champions League football, would you;

A- Move to London
B- Move to Manchester

Chelsea is closer to home, and there's this thing called the Eurostar which would cure any homesickness as he can go from London to Brussels pretty sharpish.

Logic suggests he'd pick Chelsea.

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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 6:31 pm

i would pick Man United.

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Post by Russell_Elmo Mon 28 May 2012, 6:33 pm

Marky wrote:If I was a young Belgian footballer, who wouldn't mind going back home every now and then, and all the clubs after you could offer the same money and Champions League football, would you;

A- Move to London
B- Move to Manchester

Chelsea is closer to home, and there's this thing called the Eurostar which would cure any homesickness as he can go from London to Brussels pretty sharpish.

Logic suggests he'd pick Chelsea.

I'd choose to play for Crawley. In travelling distance to London, even closer to Eurostar close to Brighton (which you can enjoy the lovely english weather) and Crawley are going places Smile

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Post by Marky Mon 28 May 2012, 6:35 pm

Because you're a Man United fan. Which Hazard isn't, he's indifferent to all three teams!

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And Russell, Crawley rejected Hazard, we've got Sergio Torres.

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Post by Russell_Elmo Mon 28 May 2012, 6:36 pm

With regards to choosing which club, there are a lot of friendly face for Hazard at Chelsea; De Bruyne, Courtois and Lukaku.

We really are putting faith in this upcoming Belgian talent..

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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 6:38 pm

why have you just made that bid lower when i have all ready said that the offer to beat is 8m.

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Post by Hero Mon 28 May 2012, 6:39 pm

Marky wrote:If I was a young Belgian footballer, who wouldn't mind going back home every now and then, and all the clubs after you could offer the same money and Champions League football, would you;

A- Move to London
B- Move to Manchester

Chelsea is closer to home, and there's this thing called the Eurostar which would cure any homesickness as he can go from London to Brussels pretty sharpish.

Logic suggests he'd pick Chelsea.

Whilst I can see the logic in this there is also something called Manchester Airport, that tends to get people places pretty quick too.

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Post by The Special Juan Mon 28 May 2012, 6:41 pm

Russell_Elmo wrote:With regards to choosing which club, there are a lot of friendly face for Hazard at Chelsea; De Bruyne, Courtois and Lukaku.

We really are putting faith in this upcoming Belgian talent..

How many will actually be at Chelsea next season? They'll all be out on loan.
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Post by Russell_Elmo Mon 28 May 2012, 6:45 pm

TSC wrote:
Russell_Elmo wrote:With regards to choosing which club, there are a lot of friendly face for Hazard at Chelsea; De Bruyne, Courtois and Lukaku.

We really are putting faith in this upcoming Belgian talent..

How many will actually be at Chelsea next season? They'll all be out on loan.

Yeah more than likely but it's more of an incentive to join a club with players you know.

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Post by Fernando Mon 28 May 2012, 7:16 pm

Well Vertonghen is heading to spurs so could always join his compatriot there could even join the Verminator at the emirates.

Id more surprised if he didn't end up in Manchester somewhere

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Post by Marky Mon 28 May 2012, 7:25 pm

Hazard would've been ideal for Arsenal but they don't spend big money.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 28 May 2012, 7:26 pm

So do we have matches this week then? Or are they next week?
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Post by Fernando Mon 28 May 2012, 7:27 pm

Marky wrote:Hazard would've been ideal for Arsenal but they don't spend big money.

Ironically a few months ago he said he'd only join Arsenal or Real Madrid

kind of sums him up really Laugh

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Post by Russell_Elmo Mon 28 May 2012, 9:47 pm

According to Hazards twitter he's 'joining the champions of Europe'

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Post by Fernando Mon 28 May 2012, 9:48 pm

Russell_Elmo wrote:According to Hazards twitter he's 'joining the champions of Europe'

So Athletico Madrid?


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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 10:04 pm

you mean Madrid?

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Post by Hero Mon 28 May 2012, 10:07 pm

Why what did they win in Europe this year Bull?

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Post by Bull Mon 28 May 2012, 10:09 pm

atheltico one the Europa cup.

nando had it as Bilbao before he changed it.

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Post by Marky Mon 28 May 2012, 10:17 pm

He's moving to Partizan Belgrade.

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