Tipuric should be on bench for 2nd test?

I thought Tips should have been on the bench for the first test, to provide cover for Warbs, who was bound to be rusty because he hadn't played for 3 months. Seems like Clive Rowlands has similar thoughts ...

"A pack with Adam Jones, Alun Wyn Jones and Adam Jones will always stand a chance, and I would have had Justin Tipuric on the bench at the very least. I like Sam Warburton as a player and as a leader, but Tipuric is a creative player in the John Taylor mould and it would have been good to have had the option of bringing him on in the second half."

Source:

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Wales-rugby-Mike-Phillips-Genia-bottle/story-16346075-detail/story.html

Adam Jones at LH and Adam Jones at TH?

Tips will be on the bench for the second test, because Ryan Jones is starting and Faletau is injured.

Morgannwg wrote:Adam Jones at LH and Adam Jones at TH?

Thats how we dominate the Aussie Scrum - Gethin is replacing North on the wing.

Most definitely, i'd even push for him to start

Yeah I am guessing it will Tips and Delve on the bench with Ryan providing 2nd row cover if need be

Or would Turnbull/Shingler be on the bench with Tips bedford? Warburton could always cover 8

What about playing Tipuric at 7 and Warburton at 8?

Scotland nulified Pockock by playing 2 out and out 7s in the form of Rennie at 7 and Barclay at 8. We controled the breakdown and the set piece and hence won the match.

Worth a try for Wales IMO.

Actually i'd love Bradley Davies to be tried as an 8. He certainly has the size for it! Cardiff need a new one and Wales could always do with some more depth there!

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:What about playing Tipuric at 7 and Warburton at 8?

Scotland nulified Pockock by playing 2 out and out 7s in the form of Rennie at 7 and Barclay at 8. We controled the breakdown and the set piece and hence won the match.

Worth a try for Wales IMO.

That's what i was thinking radge. We aren't going to overpower the Aussies, no matter what some people think so we should try and pick a very quick team

go/rugger

Could Warburton really do a job at 8 at this level, I know it was touted season or two back but for me he is an out n out 7.

I would always have Delve involved so he gets my nod but I guess Turnbull could get the shout.

How did they all go today and did Delve get a run out anyone know?

bedford,
Tbh i think he could. For example New Zealand and Australia have done it a lot with McCaw and Smith. He would have the ball control at the scrums since he's played there a lot in age grade rugby, the only question marks would be about his play in the loose but i think all he would have to do is play his natural game, after all Faletau was pretty much invisible in the last test so wouldn't it better to have both Warburton and Tipuric playing?

I don't think the Scotland template is necessarily the best move for Wales. The conditions in our match will not be replicated on Saturday and we gained most mileage because the only tactic for both sides was to pick and drive, thus there being plenty opportunities for openside steals.

Personally I'd go with Jones at 8 and Tipuric on the bench. Sacrilege though it may be to say this, but if Pocock is getting the better of Warburton again, who looked a little rusty at the weekend, then Tipuric could be a useful impact sub at 7, taking Warburton off.

6. Lydiate
7. Warburton
8. Jones

18. Davies/Charteris
19. Tipuric


Turnball/Delve/Shingler will not be involved.

gowales wrote:Actually i'd love Bradley Davies to be tried as an 8. He certainly has the size for it! Cardiff need a new one and Wales could always do with some more depth there!

The Blues have 3 8s. An ageing Rush, first choice Pretorious and youngster Hamilton. We need BD in the second row thank you.

606,

If he goes for an out n out 2nd row on the bench and Tips then I hope he goes with Charteris.

But for me I think he will use Jones as 2nd row cover and go for Tips + Turnbull, Shingler or Delve (my choice)

bedfordwelsh wrote:606,

If he goes for an out n out 2nd row on the bench and Tips then I hope he goes with Charteris.

But for me I think he will use Jones as 2nd row cover and go for Tips + Turnbull, Shingler or Delve (my choice)

We have 4 quality lock - Why on earth would he suddenly use R.Jones to cover lock, he has only done it once before when our locks were injured and banned.

Turnball and Delve (especially) are not up to it - especially when compared to BD and Charteris who have played some big games and are very talented.

wales606 wrote:

gowales wrote:Actually i'd love Bradley Davies to be tried as an 8. He certainly has the size for it! Cardiff need a new one and Wales could always do with some more depth there!

The Blues have 3 8s. An ageing Rush, first choice Pretorious and youngster Hamilton. We need BD in the second row thank you.

I wouldn't hedge your bets on Hamilton though, i think he'll just be an average regional player.

wales606 wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:606,

If he goes for an out n out 2nd row on the bench and Tips then I hope he goes with Charteris.

But for me I think he will use Jones as 2nd row cover and go for Tips + Turnbull, Shingler or Delve (my choice)

We have 4 quality lock - Why on earth would he suddenly use R.Jones to cover lock, he has only done it once before when our locks were injured and banned.

Turnball and Delve (especially) are not up to it - especially when compared to BD and Charteris who have played some big games and are very talented.

Jones is more mobile than Charteris, Davies or Evans pretty similar to AWJ though. Against the Aussies it could be a good tactic, since they play such a fast game and we don't need the extra weight in the scrums to be honest, we'd still get parity.

I just think Jones' verastility will be used as for Delve not being upto it then different to the other post thats one point we wont agree on

bedfordwelsh wrote:I just think Jones' verastility will be used as for Delve not being upto it then different to the other post thats one point we wont agree on

Point to one game he has performed in, in a Wales shirt.

I can point to half a dozen than Charteris and BD have stood out in.

I wouldn't have a problem with Charteris on the bench just think he will use Jones, Davies has never really found his form since his first season.

I can see your point about Delve but I feel all his caps have come in 2nd string games/sides and he has never been given a fair crack in a fully firing 1st XV so to speak.

But being on the wrong side of the bridge and having friends who are shed heads I have watched him on numerous occasions and he did on occasions single handedly carry Gloucester.

Charteris just doesn't seem up to speed yet since coming back from injury. Davies/Jones should cover lock for the 2nd test.

Gotta agree with wales606, BD, charteris, evans and awj are all quality locks it would be a mind boggling decision if the coaches went for turnbull, shingler or delve ahead of them.
Tipuric should be on the bench with 1 of the 4, unfortunately 1 of them will miss out.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I wouldn't have a problem with Charteris on the bench just think he will use Jones, Davies has never really found his form since his first season.

I can see your point about Delve but I feel all his caps have come in 2nd string games/sides and he has never been given a fair crack in a fully firing 1st XV so to speak.

But being on the wrong side of the bridge and having friends who are shed heads I have watched him on numerous occasions and he did on occasions single handedly carry Gloucester.

Delve has played in the Welsh teams during the 6Ns game - he played against Ireland in 2010 in a full strength Welsh team, was hyped up on these boards then failed to deliver and was anonymous for 80 minutes. Thats why Ryan Jones stayed in the team so long when he was out of form.

This is the side id like to see take on the aussies on saturday...

Jenkins
Owens
Jones
Awj
Charteris/Evans
Lydiate
Warburton
R.Jones
Phillips
Hook
North
Beck
Davies
Cuthbert
HP

Rees
James
Evans/Davies
Tipuric
Webb
Priestland
Sc.Williams

606,

Against Ireland that wasn't the 1st team by a long shout more a best avaliable at that time.

P James - Not original 1st choice, in due to Jenkins injury
Charteris - Not original 1st choice in due to AWJ injury
Powell - Ok not everyones cup of tea but was seen as first choice sqiad player but injured
Thomas - really?

Like said its one topic we won't agree on but if he's involved this weekend in what is pretty much a first team pack and doesn't perform then I will hold my hand up.

Out of interest does anyone know if he had some gametime today

Bedford, he did have some game time yes, theres a report on the match on the bbc website

cheers pot.

bedfordwelsh wrote:606,

Against Ireland that wasn't the 1st team by a long shout more a best avaliable at that time.

P James - Not original 1st choice, in due to Jenkins injury
Charteris - Not original 1st choice in due to AWJ injury
Powell - Ok not everyones cup of tea but was seen as first choice sqiad player but injured
Thomas - really?

Like said its one topic we won't agree on but if he's involved this weekend in what is pretty much a first team pack and doesn't perform then I will hold my hand up.

Out of interest does anyone know if he had some gametime today

So Delve should only play in games when every Welsh first team player is available?

Well, he can have fun never playing for Wales again then.

If he can't perform in the chances he has had in a near to full Wales team in a competitive (non baabaas) match then he is not up to international rugby, no matter his performance at club level. He has made 6 starts for Wales and come off the bench 5 times - I have never seen him have any impact on the game at all. I would love to be proved wrong, but I will be shocked if he is above Bradley Davies and Luke Charteris in the pecking order.

Also, Powell didn't play.

The team was this

Lee Byrne; Leigh Halfpenny; James Hook, Jamie Roberts; Shane Williams; Stephen Jones, Richie Rees; Paul James, Matthew Rees, Adam Jones, Bradley Davies, Luke Charteris, Jonathan Thomas, Martyn Williams (capt), Gareth Delve.

Replacements: Huw Bennett, Rhys Gill, Ian Gough, Sam Warburton, Dwayne Peel, Andrew Bishop, Tom Shanklin.


At the time, that was pretty much our first choice team, bar Ryan Jones' injury.

606,

It was first choice due to injury thats the point.

Like I said if Delve plays on Saturday in what is pretty much our 1st choice, and doesn't perform then I will hold my hand up but I would like to see him given a shoit with a front of

Jenkins Rees Jones
AWJ Evans and have Lydiate and Warburton in support.

bedfordwelsh wrote:606,

It was first choice due to injury thats the point.

Like I said if Delve plays on Saturday in what is pretty much our 1st choice, and doesn't perform then I will hold my hand up but I would like to see him given a shoit with a front of

Jenkins Rees Jones
AWJ Evans and have Lydiate and Warburton in support.

The pack on Saturday will be first choice due to injuries - no Faletau.

He hasn't performed in a almost full strength Welsh team, Williams, Davies, Rees, Adam, JT were all first choice back then, and Charteris and James had a lot of experience.

I don't see how it would be any different with him playing on Saturday.

Compare his performance to that of Shingler in a first choice due to injury team in the 6Ns

Or Faletau in the WC warm-ups in a mixed set of forwards experimenting against the Baabaas.

Or Ian Evans return in a second choice lock partnership against Ireland this year.

Or this impact of Ryan Jones against Ireland in the absence of Dan Lydiate, AWJ, Rees and Charteris.

If Delve hadn't been in Australia, Andy Powell would have been called up instead.

And that could be considered the right call, as Powell has had more of an impact on an international than Delve has.

606,

We wont agree on this and very few to agree with me on Delve I just think he has never been given a fair crack of the whip.

The pack on Saturday bar Toby will be 1st choice and I fully expect Ryan to start at 8 so if Delve is on the bench and he comes on then like I said if he doesn't perform then ok I will hold my hands up.