England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
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England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Andrew
From the RFU: http://www.rfu.com/AboutTheRFU/WhoIsWho/RobAndrew
Andrew remained as director of rugby at Newcastle Falcons after the injury that ended his playing career until on 18 August 2006 he was appointed by the RFU to undertake the post of Director of Elite Rugby to oversee all aspects of representative rugby in England, from the regional academies to the full senior side.[5][6] Although he has the above decision making powers, what he does not control is the employment status of the coaching team and staff.[citation needed]
On 6 January 2011, Andrew's role as director of elite rugby at the Rugby Football Union was scrapped in an overhaul of the organisation's structure. It was reported that Andrew was invited to apply for one of the new roles created by this process, that of operations director.[7] At a press conference on 16 November 2011 Andrew's position was described as Director of Elite Rugby and he reportedly took several attempts to (inconclusively) describe his responsibilities.
From the RFU: http://www.rfu.com/AboutTheRFU/WhoIsWho/RobAndrew
Rob Andrew MBE, Professional Rugby Director
England Director of Elite Rugby Rob Andrew
Photo: Getty Images
Rob Andrew was appointed Rugby Operations Director in April 2011, having spent five years as the RFU’s Elite Rugby Director, playing a major part in the RFU’s development and, in particular, a key role in reaching an eight year agreement between the RFU and Premier Rugby Ltd, which ensured closer communication between the two parties and the England Senior EPS squad having more time training and preparing prior to major matches throughout the season.
He continues to manage that agreement and relationship, maintaining a positive and balanced approach to the needs of the clubs and the national team.
In his Rugby Operations Director role in the lead up to RWC 2015 he works collaboratively to optimise competition structures, including working with the IRB,ERC,PRL and The Championship; player, coaching and referee development; sports medicine and sports science; and research and innovation and managing the RFU’s relationship with the RPA and Championship clubs.
One of this country’s best known rugby administrators and consummate internationals, Rob cut his playing teeth at Barnard Castle School, Co Durham, before becoming a double Blue in rugby and cricket at Cambridge University where he gained a Master of Arts Degree that helped him in his later commercial life as an Associate Director of real estate advisers DTZ Debenham Thorpe.
Having joined Nottingham RFC before moving to Wasps he made his England debut in January 1985 against Romania dropping a goal after just 50 seconds. It was against Romania, four years later, that he first captained his country in Bucharest winning 58-3. That year he was also called up to the British & Irish Lions tour of Australia where he played in two Tests and, later in the year, also captained the Lions in a non-cap game against France.
As fly half for England he played a pivotal role in their back-to-back Grand Slams of 1991 and 1992 and was also in the side beaten by Australia, 12-6, in the 1991 final of the IRB World Cup at Twickenham. The following year he played a season with Toulouse before returning to Wasps and in 1993 featured in all three Tests on the Lions tour to New Zealand. Having equalled Didier Camberabero’s then world record with 30 points in the 1994 win over Canada he then played in every international during 1995 as England notched their third Five Nations Grand Slam in five years and reached the semi-finals of the World Cup in South Africa.
That year he was awarded the MBE, having retired from international rugby and also agreed to join Newcastle as playing rugby development director. He came out of international retirement in 1997, coming on as replacement in England’s March win over Wales. That year Newcastle Falcons won promotion into the Premiership and then won the title at their first attempt in 1998. Under Rob’s guidance Falcons also beat Harlequins and Sale Sharks respectively in two RFU Knock Out Cup Finals. After 10 years at Newcastle Falcons, Rob Andrew joined the RFU in September 2006.
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Eh? I'm sure there's a point here but I just can't find it?
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
The point is that Squeaky manages like a First World War general to keep himself miles behind the front line and keeps his own arse very, very safe.
He's been the man who negotiated and facilitated the overblown power of the PRL, he was the man that supped the G&Ts at home whilst hearing from afar that MJ's senior men were fecckkin up his campaign. He did arrive eventually to soak up more G&Ts in New Zealand eventually.
RFU
Wiki:
[quote]On 6 January 2011, Andrew's role as director of elite rugby at the Rugby Football Union was scrapped in an overhaul of the organisation's structure. It was reported that Andrew was invited to apply for one of the new roles created by this process, that of operations director.[7]
Slippy as a trout that man.
Takes the salary for doing effalll.
He's been the man who negotiated and facilitated the overblown power of the PRL, he was the man that supped the G&Ts at home whilst hearing from afar that MJ's senior men were fecckkin up his campaign. He did arrive eventually to soak up more G&Ts in New Zealand eventually.
RFU
Rob Andrew was appointed Rugby Operations Director in April 2011, having spent five years as the RFU’s Elite Rugby Director, playing a major part in the RFU’s development and, in particular, a key role in reaching an eight year agreement between the RFU and Premier Rugby Ltd, which ensured closer communication between the two parties and the England Senior EPS squad having more time training and preparing prior to major matches throughout the season.
He continues to manage that agreement and relationship, maintaining a positive and balanced approach to the needs of the clubs and the national team.
Wiki:
[quote]On 6 January 2011, Andrew's role as director of elite rugby at the Rugby Football Union was scrapped in an overhaul of the organisation's structure. It was reported that Andrew was invited to apply for one of the new roles created by this process, that of operations director.[7]
At a press conference on 16 November 2011 Andrew's position was described as Director of Elite Rugby and he reportedly took several attempts to (inconclusively) describe his responsibilities.
Slippy as a trout that man.
Takes the salary for doing effalll.
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Portnoy wrote:The point is that Squeaky manages like a First World War general to keep himself miles behind the front line and keeps his own arse very, very safe.
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I agree with you.
Why didn't you say so in the first place
Pete C (Kiwireddevil)- Posts : 10925
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Kiwireddevil wrote:Portnoy wrote:The point is that Squeaky manages like a First World War general to keep himself miles behind the front line and keeps his own arse very, very safe.
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I agree with you.
Why didn't you say so in the first place
Well I have before Kiwi.
Squeaky is a useless gold-digging twart.
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Is there something particularly that the man has done amiss to raise your ire anew or did you just feel it was that time of year where he was due another shoeing?
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Yes he is. Has anything in particular stirred this emotion back to the surface today? Any news from HQ that hasn't been released?
jeffwinger- Posts : 432
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Oh, and why in particular is he "gold-digging"? I'm sure he's lots of things, but that's not one I'd heard before?Portnoy wrote:Kiwireddevil wrote:Portnoy wrote:The point is that Squeaky manages like a First World War general to keep himself miles behind the front line and keeps his own arse very, very safe.
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I agree with you.
Why didn't you say so in the first place
Well I have before Kiwi.
Squeaky is a useless gold-digging twart.
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
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Good job for the PRL that SCW didn't get Squeaky's job.
His whole job has been a charade which encourages failure and promotes mere adequacy. Both nationally and domestically.
Turn it round: In what way can Andrew be counted as a success?
This is a man that caved in to the PRL without considering the consequences,Portnoy wrote:Oh, and why in particular is he "gold-digging"? I'm sure he's lots of things, but that's not one I'd heard before?Kiwireddevil wrote:Portnoy wrote:The point is that Squeaky manages like a First World War general to keep himself miles behind the front line and keeps his own arse very, very safe.
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I agree with you.
Why didn't you say so in the first place
Well I have before Kiwi.
Squeaky is a useless gold-digging twart.
Good job for the PRL that SCW didn't get Squeaky's job.
His whole job has been a charade which encourages failure and promotes mere adequacy. Both nationally and domestically.
Turn it round: In what way can Andrew be counted as a success?
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
How did he cave in to the PRL? England have complete control over 32 players. Including training and medical issues. The incentives given for playing EQ players has resulted in a increase of English players.
What exactly would you like him to do differently? I never really understand that. Or if what exactly has he done wrong (with specifics)?
What exactly would you like him to do differently? I never really understand that. Or if what exactly has he done wrong (with specifics)?
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Hmm, not really sure, but can we credit him with the improvement in youth structures that (this JWC aside) has seen England become a top2 force at age-group level?
PS Not disagreeing with your complaints either tho
PS Not disagreeing with your complaints either tho
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
But he's always so smartly turned out. Quite the gent.
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
A prrick is still a prrick - uncircumcised or not.
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Erm.....he is doing a FANTASTIC job as far as us North Easterners are concerned...
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Re: England and Squeaky and at what point does he fit his England suit?
Squeaky is basically the figure head of the RFU management and therefore the only person to easily vent anger at.... Especially as he has been one of the few constants over the last 10 years.
Most of us don't see the involvement he has had with all age group rugby, or are aware of the negotiations involved with the premier league clubs to get exclusive access to the players during international windows...... Which is something that SCW said was absolutely required for us to compete.
Instead, as the only constant within the RFU over the last 10 years he is often seen as the root cause of all our failings.
Personally I don't know what he does or doesn't do, however, I doubt very much that the senior England team would suddenly improve simply by removing him.
He may be blamed for appointing MJ in the first place... However, at the time that is something that many posters on the old 606 were shouting out for... As were numerous ex-players and journalists.
As for the coaching setup (beyond head coach / manager), he is often blamed for that too... Whereas his usual approach to his role is to allow the head coach to deal with that entirely on their own.
That seems a good idea to me because we would all be up in arms if we felt he was trying to undermine the head coach by having too much of a say in playing / coaching matters.
Bottom line is that he is a figure head or scapegoat that is easy to attack when the national team is under performing
Most of us don't see the involvement he has had with all age group rugby, or are aware of the negotiations involved with the premier league clubs to get exclusive access to the players during international windows...... Which is something that SCW said was absolutely required for us to compete.
Instead, as the only constant within the RFU over the last 10 years he is often seen as the root cause of all our failings.
Personally I don't know what he does or doesn't do, however, I doubt very much that the senior England team would suddenly improve simply by removing him.
He may be blamed for appointing MJ in the first place... However, at the time that is something that many posters on the old 606 were shouting out for... As were numerous ex-players and journalists.
As for the coaching setup (beyond head coach / manager), he is often blamed for that too... Whereas his usual approach to his role is to allow the head coach to deal with that entirely on their own.
That seems a good idea to me because we would all be up in arms if we felt he was trying to undermine the head coach by having too much of a say in playing / coaching matters.
Bottom line is that he is a figure head or scapegoat that is easy to attack when the national team is under performing
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