Rennie vs Warburton

Quite simply, who is better out of Rennie and Warburton?

Tipuric

But, based on Warbs form at the moment, Rennie.

Im sure he will come back though, we'll have to wait and see how Rennie does in his second season as a big name international.

Rennie

At the moment I'd say Rennie. Does Warburton have injury issues?

Warburton has just come back from a significant lay off, can you guys just give him a chance please FFS

Even with Warburton on form, I'd say Rennie.

Warburton's current poor performance simply makes the gulf in class more obvious.

I think what we need is another Lions thread to sort this out

Well Renie does not seem to get too many injuries. Unlike Warbutton that is.

On form at the moment, Rennie. When both are at their best, it's mighty close.

majesticimperialman wrote:Well Renie does not seem to get too many injuries. Unlike Warbutton that is.

Actually Rennie has had a nightmare with injury. His first Scotland cap was in 2008! but a nasty knee injury effectively kept him out of contention until he finally got his first start for Scotland in 2011. So thats more than 2 years out of international rugby due to injury.

Manky-Flanker wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:Well Renie does not seem to get too many injuries. Unlike Warbutton that is.

Actually Rennie has had a nightmare with injury. His first Scotland cap was in 2008! but a nasty knee injury effectively kept him out of contention until he finally got his first start for Scotland in 2011. So thats more than 2 years out of international rugby due to injury.

And if you take out his re-occurring injury in the 6Ns, Warburton had played something like 18 back to back test without injury.

Rennie second.


















Willem Alberts no 1

biltongbek wrote:Rennie second.


















Tipuric no 1

I keep having to fix your post for you Biltong

wales606 wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Rennie second.


















Tipuric no 1

I keep having to fix your post for you Biltong

i see wales606

Compare the shackling of Pocock - Rennie played him out of the game,

TJ wrote:Compare the shackling of Pocock - Rennie played him out of the game,

That's one game though. Rennie is currently in better form, but Warburton is the better player overall.

Both good players.

Quite simply.....without even reading these posts : Rennie. Every single time. Old school, old fashioned.........undersung, one scot i would trade my soul to be english

That's one game though. Rennie is currently in better form, but Warburton is the better player overall.

Really? Rennie has not the experience of Warburton but he has shown himself to be a better player inthe games he has played in

Nicely put Ultra

RubyGuby wrote:Warburton has just come back from a significant lay off, can you guys just give him a chance please FFS

+1 at this time, Tipuric

Not trying to be cynical but I doubt it would make any difference anyhow.... Warburton is near certain to be lions captain despite his lack of current form/questionable comments in the media about his fellow players.

Rennie or any other SCO backrow players will be lucky to be selected to the lions squad next year... not just because the high level of home nations quality in that area but also because a) its difficult to stand out in a losing team and b) I do feel we've been badly treated in the past in terms of player inclusions.. even with McGeechan at the helm.

In 09 John Barclay was the best openside in the home nations... by a margin. Wallace, he was never really an openside in fairness and at the time the rules suited a fetcher of his quality, something the squad didn't have and one that could have made the difference to the seris.... he didn't even make the reserves.... a place which went to Ryan Jones (who was at the time so bad it was laughable).

I hope the Gatland doesn't just go with what he's comfortable with and what should serve WAL well post the series (i.e. not just pick his WAL players because it will benefit them in the long term) but I'm not optimistic.

fa0019 wrote:Not trying to be cynical but I doubt it would make any difference anyhow.... Warburton is near certain to be lions captain despite his lack of current form/questionable comments in the media about his fellow players.

Rennie or any other SCO backrow players will be lucky to be selected to the lions squad next year... not just because the high level of home nations quality in that area but also because a) its difficult to stand out in a losing team and b) I do feel we've been badly treated in the past in terms of player inclusions.. even with McGeechan at the helm.

In 09 John Barclay was the best openside in the home nations... by a margin. Wallace, he was never really an openside in fairness and at the time the rules suited a fetcher of his quality, something the squad didn't have and one that could have made the difference to the seris.... he didn't even make the reserves.... a place which went to Ryan Jones (who was at the time so bad it was laughable).

I hope the Gatland doesn't just go with what he's comfortable with and what should serve WAL well post the series (i.e. not just pick his WAL players because it will benefit them in the long term) but I'm not optimistic.

I would expect Rennie, Strokosh and Denton to be picked for the lions ahead of Morgan, Robshaw and wood or Waldrom. Gatland is a shrewd cookie he will pick the best players to win the series. Whilst Rennie is clearly in better form at the moment Warbs when he gets back to his best is better imo. With the scots likely to provide a second row and a hooker as well then I think you may be suprissed. Ford, Gray, Denton, should all be nailed on for a lions place. Throw Visser and Rennie into the mix and the scots could make up a thord of the team.

1. Jenkins,
2. Ford
3. Jones
4. POC
5. Gray
6. Lydiate
7. Warburton
8. Denton
9. Phillips
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Roberts
13. Bod
14. Cuthbert
15. Kearney

16. Healey
17. Smiler
18. Evans
19. Rennie
20. Youngs
21. Farrell
22. Halfpenny

Could be even more. Laidlaw is attracting loads of plaudits for his play and there are no great 10s in the home nations right now- see the planet rugby team of the week for example. Murray is looking good again after some uncertain times

[quote="fa0019"] Warburton is near certain to be lions captain despite his lack of current form/questionable comments in the media about his fellow players.

?????? What are these questionable comments - missed them

TycroesOsprey wrote:
1. Jenkins,
2. Ford
3. Jones
4. POC
5. Gray
6. Lydiate
7. Warburton
8. Denton
9. Phillips
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Roberts
13. Bod
14. Cuthbert
15. Kearney

16. Healey
17. Smiler
18. Evans
19. Rennie
20. Youngs
21. Farrell
22. Halfpenny

Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

sugarNspikes wrote:
Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Coming from you

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:
1. Jenkins,
2. Ford
3. Jones
4. POC
5. Gray
6. Lydiate
7. Warburton
8. Denton
9. Phillips
10. Sexton
11. North
12. Roberts
13. Bod
14. Cuthbert
15. Kearney

16. Healey
17. Smiler
18. Evans
19. Rennie
20. Youngs
21. Farrell
22. Halfpenny

Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Just being realistic, Tuilagi could get into the 22 but isnt going to be ahead of Roberts or Bod in the midfield and anuyway until he learns to pass he is a liability. The English backrow arent good enough at the moment neither is the second row, Hartley at hooker is behind all of his celtic counterparts and his poor attitude and discipline will count against him. Corbisero at loosehead is a possibility for the bench if he can also scrummage on the tight unfortunatly he cant. He is certainly behind Gethin and Healey on he loose. Adam is clearly ahead of cole espescially after the english scrum being busted in twickenham The english second rows are behind, Poc, Gray, Evans AWJ and Charteris. Foden is unlucky as he is quality but kearney and halfpenny are ahead of him. Ashton is behind, North cuthbert and Bowe. Strettle doesnt have a snowballs chance. Which English player is better than the players in the 22? Wales and Ireland have been the dominant teams in the Isles for the last decade its not suprising that they dominate selection. To put it bluntly ythe English players are not good enough individually to deserve a place.

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:
Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Coming from you

If you also think no English in the starting Lions then we're in for a rough ride in Aus. I don't fancy hoping for a win in the dead rubber in 2013.

Let me put it like this

1. Gethin, Healey, Corbisero
2. Ford, Smiler Best
3. Adam J, Murray, Cole
4. Gray, Evans Callaghan
5. POC, AWJ, Charteris Botha
6. Lydiate, Ferris
7.Rennie, Warburton, SoB, Tipuric
8. Denton, Heaslip, Faletau
9. Phillips, Youngs, Murray
10. Sexton, Farrell, Laidlaw,(Flood maybe if he can secure his England place)
11. North, Bowe
12. Roberts, Darcy
13. Bod, JD, Tuilagi
14, Cuthbert, Visser, Ashton
15. Kearney, Halfpenny, Foden

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:
Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Coming from you

If you also think no English in the starting Lions then we're in for a rough ride in Aus. I don't fancy hoping for a win in the dead rubber in 2013.

Which England player deserves to be in the selection above the players I picked, come on lets hear the wisdom? Fundementally Englands players as individuals are not better than he players in their respective positions. As a team they are greater than the sum of their parts but still not good enough.

TycroesOsprey wrote:Let me put it like this

1. Gethin, Healey, Corbisero
2. Ford, Smiler Best
3. Adam J, Murray, Cole
4. Gray, Evans Callaghan
5. POC, AWJ, Charteris Botha
6. Lydiate, Ferris
7.Rennie, Warburton, SoB, Tipuric
8. Denton, Heaslip, Faletau
9. Phillips, Youngs, Murray
10. Sexton, Farrell, Laidlaw,(Flood maybe if he can secure his England place)
11. North, Bowe
12. Roberts, Darcy
13. Bod, JD, Tuilagi
14, Cuthbert, Visser, Ashton
15. Kearney, Halfpenny, Foden

Best is first choice hooker by a considerable distance.

Darcy wont make the tour.

Neither will O'Callaghan

E Murray? That must be a joke, Cole 2nd, Ross 3rd.

Farrell!! God I hope not. At the moment, Flood is the Lions 10 for me, although Sexton may replace him.

You have Visser and Bowe on the wrong wings. Ashton is ahead of Visser for now (I would start Bowe and Halfpenny at the moment)

Robshaw will be one of the backrow options if he carries on his form. It will be difficult between Warbs, Tips, Rennie, Robshaw and SOB for the 7 shirt.

TycroesOsprey wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:
Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Coming from you

If you also think no English in the starting Lions then we're in for a rough ride in Aus. I don't fancy hoping for a win in the dead rubber in 2013.

Which England player deserves to be in the selection above the players I picked, come on lets hear the wisdom? Fundementally Englands players as individuals are not better than he players in their respective positions. As a team they are greater than the sum of their parts but still not good enough.

We may as well pick the England or Scottish XV as most of the players in both sides beat Aus more recently than your horribly biased side.

Wales606 has also ripped your weird selections to pieces.

1. Healy, Jenkins, Corbs
2. Best, Ford, ANOther (Owens, Rees, Hartley, Hibbard)
3. Jones, Cole, Ross
4. Gray, AWJ
5. POC, Evans
6. Lydiate, Ferris
7. (Warbs, Rennie, Tips, Robshaw or SOB)
8. Heaslip, Denton
9. Youngs (at present), Phillips, Murray
10. Flood, Sexton, Laidlaw
11. Halfpenny, North, Visser
12. Roberts, Davies
13. BOD, Tuilagi
14. Bowe, Cuthbert
15. Kearney, Foden, (Hogg)

wales606 wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:Let me put it like this

1. Gethin, Healey, Corbisero
2. Ford, Smiler Best
3. Adam J, Murray, Cole
4. Gray, Evans Callaghan
5. POC, AWJ, Charteris Botha
6. Lydiate, Ferris
7.Rennie, Warburton, SoB, Tipuric
8. Denton, Heaslip, Faletau
9. Phillips, Youngs, Murray
10. Sexton, Farrell, Laidlaw,(Flood maybe if he can secure his England place)
11. North, Bowe
12. Roberts, Darcy
13. Bod, JD, Tuilagi
14, Cuthbert, Visser, Ashton
15. Kearney, Halfpenny, Foden

Best is first choice hooker by a considerable distance.

Darcy wont make the tour.

Neither will O'Callaghan

E Murray? That must be a joke, Cole 2nd, Ross 3rd.

Farrell!! God I hope not. At the moment, Flood is the Lions 10 for me, although Sexton may replace him.

You have Visser and Bowe on the wrong wings. Ashton is ahead of Visser for now (I would start Bowe and Halfpenny at the moment)

Robshaw will be one of the backrow options if he carries on his form. It will be difficult between Warbs, Tips, Rennie, Robshaw and SOB for the 7 shirt.

Im a big fan of Murray always have been. Cole would be 4th for me

Farrell I actually rate if you want to play territory then I would have him in my team.

Visser is quality and I really dont see Ashton getting a wing spot as ahead of him are North, Cuthbert or Bowe.

Robshaw is behind the others for me.

It just goes to show that Welsh fans would rather have their players (plus a few token Irish and Scots) in a Lions side than win the series

TycroesOsprey wrote:Cole would be 4th for me

4th choice tighthead? Now I know you're a (insert word).

sugarNspikes wrote:It just goes to show that Welsh fans would rather have their players (plus a few token Irish and Scots) in a Lions side than win the series

Yep, I have a whole 4/14 Welsh players starting (7 is impossible to call)

Im clearly being a bit harsh on the grand slam winning team I support...and a bit too nice to the Irish.

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:
Nice of you to put two English in the subs. Welsh posters ruined 606 and are ruining 606v2.

Coming from you

If you also think no English in the starting Lions then we're in for a rough ride in Aus. I don't fancy hoping for a win in the dead rubber in 2013.

Which England player deserves to be in the selection above the players I picked, come on lets hear the wisdom? Fundementally Englands players as individuals are not better than he players in their respective positions. As a team they are greater than the sum of their parts but still not good enough.

We may as well pick the England or Scottish XV as most of the players in both sides beat Aus more recently than your horribly biased side.

Wales606 has also ripped your weird selections to pieces.

If you think thats a biased side then you really dont have a scooby doo,

Wales 606 selections promoted your halfbacks from the bench to the starting team it didnt change the makeup pof the 22 still only two englishman. I disagree with his choice but at least he postulated an opinion based upon an understanding of the game he has demonstrated many times. Demonstrate your knowledge or stfu.

I'd take: Flood, Foden, Ashton, Cole, Morgan, Youngs and Tuilagi as English players on the Lions tour

Wales: Phillips, North, Cuthbert, 1/2p, Roberts, JD2, Toby, Gethin, Adam, Evans, Lydiate, Warbs, possibly Owens/Hibbard

Ireland: Bowe, Kearney, BOD, SOB, Ferris, POC, Healy, Best

Scotland: Visser (If he can have a good year), Denton, Gray, Rennie, Ford, Hogg, Murray

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:It just goes to show that Welsh fans would rather have their players (plus a few token Irish and Scots) in a Lions side than win the series

Yep, I have a whole 4/14 Welsh players starting (7 is impossible to call)

Im clearly being a bit harsh on the grand slam winning team I support...and a bit too nice to the Irish.

Not YOUR squad. You seem fairly normal.

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:Cole would be 4th for me

4th choice tighthead? Now I know you're a (insert word).

Actually I really dont rate cole. I think he has been exposed a number of times in the setpiece. For me if you cant do your primary job then all the extras are pointless. Cole is not a destructive scrummager. Other than Ireland in the 6Nations after the injury the English scrum has not been dominant. Now it may be a failing of mine but I want a monster pack who are going to destroy the ozzies up front in the setpiece.

martyr_94 wrote:I'd take: Flood, Foden, Ashton, Cole, Morgan, Youngs and Tuilagi as English players on the Lions tour

Wales: Phillips, North, Cuthbert, 1/2p, Roberts, JD2, Toby, Gethin, Adam, Evans, Lydiate, Warbs, possibly Owens/Hibbard

Ireland: Bowe, Kearney, BOD, SOB, Ferris, POC, Healy, Best

Scotland: Visser (If he can have a good year), Denton, Gray, Rennie, Ford, Hogg, Murray

Morgan and Faletau have a lot of work to get their at the moment after this tour.

I don't think Murray will make it - he can't play on Sunday, Jones and Cole are stronger scrummagers and Ross is better in the loose (and would scrummage fine against Aus)

Agree with the rest.

While were on the topic, I will be amazed it Halfpenny doesn't make the Lions starting 15 somewhere. He is the best goalkicker and the best defensive back 3 player in the NH at the moment.

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:It just goes to show that Welsh fans would rather have their players (plus a few token Irish and Scots) in a Lions side than win the series

Yep, I have a whole 4/14 Welsh players starting (7 is impossible to call)

Im clearly being a bit harsh on the grand slam winning team I support...and a bit too nice to the Irish.

Not YOUR squad. You seem fairly normal.

Im normal

...but my parents said I was special

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:It just goes to show that Welsh fans would rather have their players (plus a few token Irish and Scots) in a Lions side than win the series

Yep, I have a whole 4/14 Welsh players starting (7 is impossible to call)

Im clearly being a bit harsh on the grand slam winning team I support...and a bit too nice to the Irish.

Not YOUR squad. You seem fairly normal.

So I have two more welsh players in my side and Im abnormal?

TycroesOsprey wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:Cole would be 4th for me

4th choice tighthead? Now I know you're a (insert word).

Actually I really dont rate cole. I think he has been exposed a number of times in the setpiece. For me if you cant do your primary job then all the extras are pointless. Cole is not a destructive scrummager. Other than Ireland in the 6Nations after the injury the English scrum has not been dominant. Now it may be a failing of mine but I want a monster pack who are going to destroy the ozzies up front in the setpiece.

Yet Jenkins is in there for loosehead.

You want a consistent ref, yet you're inconsistent yourself.

wales606 wrote:Im normal

...but my parents said I was special

It's all relative!

sugarNspikes wrote:

wales606 wrote:Im normal

...but my parents said I was special

It's all relative!

In the valleys, it tends to be.

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:Cole would be 4th for me

4th choice tighthead? Now I know you're a (insert word).

Actually I really dont rate cole. I think he has been exposed a number of times in the setpiece. For me if you cant do your primary job then all the extras are pointless. Cole is not a destructive scrummager. Other than Ireland in the 6Nations after the injury the English scrum has not been dominant. Now it may be a failing of mine but I want a monster pack who are going to destroy the ozzies up front in the setpiece.

Yet Jenkins is in there for loosehead.

You want a consistent ref, yet you're inconsistent yourself.

Jenkins is a more than capable scrummager not as good as Paul James but better around the park. However in his primary job he has proven himself against the very best in the world and hasnt been busted up by a tighthead for a long time as a proven lions loosehead he is way ahead.. Cole was exposed during the 6 nations against Gethin, exposed by the scots, just won parity against the french. thats the difference.

Rubbish!