Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
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Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
I think it's fair to say the Buccaneers receivers were not at their best last year. A lot of them struggled to create separation, despite the fact that the Bucs were a pass heavy team last year. Despite having 96 more attempts, and 59 more completions, the Bucs only corralled 274 more yards than they did in 2010. Which is an average of less than 5 yards per completion (of the 59 more completed). The Bucs' problems led to Josh Freeman having some problems. If a receiver can't get open then Freeman has two options, he can try and run himself, or try and throw it to a guy who isn't completely open. I don't think I'm being harsh on Freeman when I say his accuracy isn't the best, and of course a good amount of his interceptions came from forcing the ball into covered receiver, although he did also have trouble reading coverages.
So how did the Bucs combat this problem? They went out and got some playmakers. They got Carl Nicks, the two time All-Pro guard in Free Agency. This will give Freeman more time, thus allowing the receivers a better chance to get free. They went ahead and drafted Doug Martin. I've already written about Doug Martin see here: http://v2journal.com/muscle-hamster-and-blount-force-trauma.html. A solid running back who is there on all downs gives you a number of things. It gives you a strong running game obviously, but last year, the Bucs' Offence was predictable. Everyone knew if Kregg Lumpkin or Earnest Graham were on the field, the Bucs were not going to run and they could drop deep into pass coverage. But now, as Martin is also a threat in the passing game, it makes people wonder what the Bucs will do. Most importantly, the Bucs brought in Vincent Jackson, a Free Agent from the San Diego Chargers.
Vincent Jackson
Jackson provides the Buccaneers with the genuine number 1 threat they have lacked since the days of Joey Galloway. While a different player to Galloway, Jackson is very athletic a decent route runner, quick and knows where the end zone is. Jackson didn't put up numbers like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker have but there are some things to take into consideration. For a lot of his time in San Diego, the Chargers have had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. L.T. usually saw around 50 receptions a season and normal over 250 rushing attempts. Gates has grabbed at least 50 receptions during Jackson's time in San Diego, his highest total of 89 came in Jackson's rookie year. This year was one of Jackson's best season when Gates missed game time (L.T. has been with the New York Jets since 2010). Jackson hauled in 60 passes with 9 TDs with an 18.4 yards per reception average. That's nearly three yards more than the highest average of a Buccaneer last season. Jackson also brings leadership to a unit whose most experienced members were drafted in 2009 (Sammie Stroughter and Tiquan Underwood). While he may have had some issues in the past, (he refused to play when he wasn't paid what he thought he deserved, and had a DUI) all the noises coming from One Buccaneer Place (Bucs' training facility) talk about how great "VJAX" has been helping out some of the younger guys and that he is a great guy for the locker room.
Mike Williams
Dezmon Briscoe
While he did miss some of the Bucs' training camps and OTAs earlier on this year, due to some relationship issues, Briscoe appears to be back in the fold in Tampa Bay. Briscoe was the leading TD scorer for the Bucs last season. He grabbed 6, seeing as he didn't start that was pretty good going. Who knows what will happen before the start of the season but if Briscoe continues to improve, he could be the second choice behind either Jackson or Williams. He will have to fight off some stiff competition.
Preston Parker
Arrelious Benn
Benn missed two games, this season. He showed some improvement from the 2010 season, he caught more passes, and scored one more touchdown. Benn doesn't seem as fast as his speed at the 2010 NFL Combine would suggest and he also struggles getting separation. Benn has shown some of his potential to the Bucs with two great TDs this year, against the Panthers on Christmas Eve, he did a great job keeping his feet inbounds as he grabbed a score. In their win against the Saints earlier on in the year, Benn showed he could make plays down the field as he snagged a score.
The scores can be seen here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8255d161/Benn-4-yard-TD-catch and http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8232d63e/WK-6-Can-t-miss-play-catchin-bombs
Sammie Stroughter
Sammie's career as a Buc may be hanging in the balance. He only caught 4 passes last season, and only saw action in 6 games. He did spend a good amount of time injured but it doesn't seem to promising. He is a decent returner; he had a 27 yard average last year, with a high of 78 yards. However with Parker already there and draft choices Michael Smith and Doug Martin (probably won't end up doing it but he did return punts and kicks in college) also capable of returning. Stroughter may be the odd man out.
Tiquan Underwood
Probably most famous for his hairstyle and being cut the day before last season's Super Bowl, Underwood played under head coach Greg Schiano at Rutgers University. Underwood caught only three passes last season in New England, he has mainly been a special teams guy over his career. He mightn't be of much value to Tampa Bay during the regular season. I don't think many have high hopes for him.
There are also quite a lot of guys who I don't know a lot about (Greg Ellingson, Wallace Wright, Armahd Lewis) it's likely these guys will get cut or be placed on the practice squad before September. Ed Gant is another one of these guys; he hasn't played a down in regular season football but has one notable highlight. His 96 yard score against the Redskins in pre season was a pretty decent score. While the score came in preseason (when a lot of the weaker players play), Gant made a nice grab and showed decent speed. He is pretty tall and quite fast, he probably won't surprise us but you never know.
To read the full story - visit the v2Journal - http://v2journal.com/buc-ball-looking-at-the-wide-receivers.html
So how did the Bucs combat this problem? They went out and got some playmakers. They got Carl Nicks, the two time All-Pro guard in Free Agency. This will give Freeman more time, thus allowing the receivers a better chance to get free. They went ahead and drafted Doug Martin. I've already written about Doug Martin see here: http://v2journal.com/muscle-hamster-and-blount-force-trauma.html. A solid running back who is there on all downs gives you a number of things. It gives you a strong running game obviously, but last year, the Bucs' Offence was predictable. Everyone knew if Kregg Lumpkin or Earnest Graham were on the field, the Bucs were not going to run and they could drop deep into pass coverage. But now, as Martin is also a threat in the passing game, it makes people wonder what the Bucs will do. Most importantly, the Bucs brought in Vincent Jackson, a Free Agent from the San Diego Chargers.
Vincent Jackson
- Spoiler:
Jackson provides the Buccaneers with the genuine number 1 threat they have lacked since the days of Joey Galloway. While a different player to Galloway, Jackson is very athletic a decent route runner, quick and knows where the end zone is. Jackson didn't put up numbers like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker have but there are some things to take into consideration. For a lot of his time in San Diego, the Chargers have had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. L.T. usually saw around 50 receptions a season and normal over 250 rushing attempts. Gates has grabbed at least 50 receptions during Jackson's time in San Diego, his highest total of 89 came in Jackson's rookie year. This year was one of Jackson's best season when Gates missed game time (L.T. has been with the New York Jets since 2010). Jackson hauled in 60 passes with 9 TDs with an 18.4 yards per reception average. That's nearly three yards more than the highest average of a Buccaneer last season. Jackson also brings leadership to a unit whose most experienced members were drafted in 2009 (Sammie Stroughter and Tiquan Underwood). While he may have had some issues in the past, (he refused to play when he wasn't paid what he thought he deserved, and had a DUI) all the noises coming from One Buccaneer Place (Bucs' training facility) talk about how great "VJAX" has been helping out some of the younger guys and that he is a great guy for the locker room.
Mike Williams
- Spoiler:
Dezmon Briscoe
- Spoiler:
While he did miss some of the Bucs' training camps and OTAs earlier on this year, due to some relationship issues, Briscoe appears to be back in the fold in Tampa Bay. Briscoe was the leading TD scorer for the Bucs last season. He grabbed 6, seeing as he didn't start that was pretty good going. Who knows what will happen before the start of the season but if Briscoe continues to improve, he could be the second choice behind either Jackson or Williams. He will have to fight off some stiff competition.
Preston Parker
- Spoiler:
Arrelious Benn
- Spoiler:
Benn missed two games, this season. He showed some improvement from the 2010 season, he caught more passes, and scored one more touchdown. Benn doesn't seem as fast as his speed at the 2010 NFL Combine would suggest and he also struggles getting separation. Benn has shown some of his potential to the Bucs with two great TDs this year, against the Panthers on Christmas Eve, he did a great job keeping his feet inbounds as he grabbed a score. In their win against the Saints earlier on in the year, Benn showed he could make plays down the field as he snagged a score.
The scores can be seen here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8255d161/Benn-4-yard-TD-catch and http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8232d63e/WK-6-Can-t-miss-play-catchin-bombs
Sammie Stroughter
- Spoiler:
Sammie's career as a Buc may be hanging in the balance. He only caught 4 passes last season, and only saw action in 6 games. He did spend a good amount of time injured but it doesn't seem to promising. He is a decent returner; he had a 27 yard average last year, with a high of 78 yards. However with Parker already there and draft choices Michael Smith and Doug Martin (probably won't end up doing it but he did return punts and kicks in college) also capable of returning. Stroughter may be the odd man out.
Tiquan Underwood
- Spoiler:
Probably most famous for his hairstyle and being cut the day before last season's Super Bowl, Underwood played under head coach Greg Schiano at Rutgers University. Underwood caught only three passes last season in New England, he has mainly been a special teams guy over his career. He mightn't be of much value to Tampa Bay during the regular season. I don't think many have high hopes for him.
There are also quite a lot of guys who I don't know a lot about (Greg Ellingson, Wallace Wright, Armahd Lewis) it's likely these guys will get cut or be placed on the practice squad before September. Ed Gant is another one of these guys; he hasn't played a down in regular season football but has one notable highlight. His 96 yard score against the Redskins in pre season was a pretty decent score. While the score came in preseason (when a lot of the weaker players play), Gant made a nice grab and showed decent speed. He is pretty tall and quite fast, he probably won't surprise us but you never know.
To read the full story - visit the v2Journal - http://v2journal.com/buc-ball-looking-at-the-wide-receivers.html
Re: Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
Just as a side note, I didn't rate this by depth chart really, all though I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it played out. After Williams, there isn't a huge difference.
Thomond- Posts : 10663
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Re: Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
I think any improvements in the passing game can probably be put down to VJax taking coverage off the others and Nicks helping the O-line give Freeman more time in the pocket. Would be interesting to actually study their tape from 2011 to compare it to 2012 to really judge any sort of improvements for individual receivers instead of basing it on an increase in numbers, as Williams should see less coverage as Jackson is now the #1 receiver and so should find it easier to get more ypc but less yards and maybe more touchdowns. Think the Bucs should have maybe gone after a talented TE to give Freeman a reliable target who could have been there for a quick pass when under severe pressure, plus would be another end zone threat.
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Re: Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
I'm not just basing it on numbers Derby. GurTPL, did a great breakdown on several players, game by game and that helped too. I think Clark and Stocker will be useful, Clark is a decent blocker and even if he isn't as good after the injury, if he can catch 30-40 passes he should probably do enough.
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Re: Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
Thomond wrote:I'm not just basing it on numbers Derby. GurTPL, did a great breakdown on several players, game by game and that helped too. I think Clark and Stocker will be useful, Clark is a decent blocker and even if he isn't as good after the injury, if he can catch 30-40 passes he should probably do enough.
aww, cheers bud :3
As for the TE situation, I'm pretty high on Stocker, he tends to get open on routes (his low catch total was more due to Freeman not looking to him very often, more than any deficiency on his own part), and he's a good blocker in the run game, particularly for a TE - especially in two-TE sets, when he looked so much better when compared with Winslow's failure). He'll never be a top tier TE (your Gronkowskis/Grahams/Davises), but he'll be productive - career wise, I fully expect him to be at the Owen Daniels/Greg Olsen/Brent Celek/Dustin Keller level, which I'd be more than happy with. Because of that, I expect Stocker will actually be the #1 on the depth chart. Schiano wants to run the ball, and Stocker is definitely more useful in the run game than Clark, but furthermore, that will allow Clark to be used sparingly, meaning that he won't get too much wear-and-tear, which is something you need to be wary of with Clark's age and recent injury struggles. Having Stocker as the workhorse TE will free Clark up to be a receiving threat first and foremost, and means he'll see fewer snaps, but therefore be constantly fresh whenever he is on the field.
Re: Buc Ball - looking at the wide receivers
Yeah, I have high hopes for Stocker, he didn't show a lot last season but I think he is capable of a 40/50 catch season.
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