England v Italy, Quarter Final, Build up and Match Thread

by Duty281 Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:18 pm

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England v Italy (Sunday 24th June, 19:45 KO, BBC 1)

On the back of good defence, England have notched up 2 wins and a draw, confounding the majority of expectations along the way. The unexpected bonus of topping Group D has given them a game against Italy, not Spain, and England have a glorious chance of reaching their first semi-final in 16 years. Italy haven't really started yet and their sole win was against a poor Ireland team but they did manage an impressive draw against the Spanish. The winners will play Germany.......or maybe Greece.

My prediction: England 1-0 Italy

Come on England!

by Leff Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:00 am

FreekShow and Swann's Cat both got this right 0-0, et, pk. clap

by azania Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:01 am

martyr_94 wrote:People harsh on Rooney, injured when dictating everything england did well in 2004, fast tracked into the world cup team when clearly injured in 2006, 2010 was a shambles behind the scenes and played one game going into this game in over a month since his last competitive game and clearly wasn't match fit.

More excuses for Rooney. He scores against grannies though.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:01 am

Leff wrote:
MockingJay33 wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:2-0 England

+1

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by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:03 am

azania wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Azania is on the WUM. He is another Steffan, are you Welsh or Scottish? :\

How am I being on a WUM? Care to comment on my post above and tell me where I'm on a WUM? I am neither British or European so have no axe to grind. A completely objective viewer.

problem is az you only concentrate on englands negatives while england are playing- when to you ever talk about anything but negatives, we never even see ya for the other games England v Italy, Quarter Final, Build up and Match Thread - Page 9 732107

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by Leff Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:03 am

Jennifer1984 wrote:It has to be said that Pirlo showed total class and incredible nerve to take his penalty like he did.

He was the classiest player on the field all night and has surely stuffed all these ludicrous claims that Rooney is world class into a cocked hat. Italy have a quality midfielder, England have a flat track bully who looks good against minnows, but is out of his depth when it comes to the big occasions.

Italy were the better team. England and the ball were total strangers and the only credit we can take from that game was that we never gave up. We scrapped and battled and didn't quit, but there is only so much you can do with heart, organisation and willpower. Sooner or later, a football match comes down to skill and taking penalties is a skill.

When it came down to showing your skill, Pirlo did it in spades.

Congratulations Italy. The better team on the night. The victory was well deserved and Roy Hodgson can now start to focus on qualifying for the next world cup.

Again.

Excellent summary. thumbsup

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:03 am

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Azania is on the WUM. He is another Steffan, are you Welsh or Scottish? :\

You calling someone a WUM takes hypocrisy to a whole new level.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:05 am

Although Ashley Young played poorly I cannot fault his effort. In fact I cannot fault the effort of any of the English players. It was not for want of effort that England lost - it was for want of quality and cohesiveness in the passing.

by GSC Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:05 am

Leff wrote:FreekShow and Swann's Cat both got this right 0-0, et, pk.

Doesn't make me feel any better.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:06 am

does anyone want hogson to stay on- would it have been better for him to have had a bad tourny and redknapp(available as well!!!!) to come in??

i am in two minds- hodgson can only take us so far cant he- dont get me wrong i like him alot. but......

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:06 am

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:
Leff wrote:FreekShow and Swann's Cat both got this right 0-0, et, pk.

Doesn't make me feel any better.

It does me, I like being right!

by Leff Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:06 am

Bye, guys and gals. Time to run. Yes, 8 miles with missus after 3 hours of sitting. Run

by Steffan Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:07 am

Having a nice cold cider to celebrate Very Happy

by GSC Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:08 am

If I'd had put money on it.

That said I do have a quid on Italy to win Euro 2012 so..............

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:08 am

mystiroakey wrote:does anyone want hogson to stay on- would it have been better for him to have had a bad tourny and redknapp(available as well!!!!) to come in??

i am in two minds- hodgson can only take us so far cant he- dont get me wrong i like him alot. but......

It's a non starter Myst. He's guaranteed to carry the team forward. I'm not sure he's done too badly in the grand scheme of things.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:09 am

Leff wrote:Bye, guys and gals. Time to run. Yes, 8 miles with missus after 3 hours of sitting.

#

Rather you than me!

by azania Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:09 am

mystiroakey wrote:
azania wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Azania is on the WUM. He is another Steffan, are you Welsh or Scottish? :\

How am I being on a WUM? Care to comment on my post above and tell me where I'm on a WUM? I am neither British or European so have no axe to grind. A completely objective viewer.

problem is az you only concentrate on englands negatives while england are playing- when to you ever talk about anything but negatives, we never even see ya for the other games

OK. England defended well. But I love attacking and expansive football. Hoof and chase is not for me. Even Greece tried. A team playing for penalties deserved to get booted out.

by **Crimey** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:09 am

I thought Glen Johnson was probably the best player for England, offered a lot of threat going forward, and defended well at the back.

by GSC Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:10 am

Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:10 am

Steffan wrote:Having a nice cold cider to celebrate

Get a bit of blackcurrant in that Steff. Beautiful.

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:10 am

mystiroakey wrote:does anyone want hogson to stay on- would it have been better for him to have had a bad tourny and redknapp(available as well!!!!) to come in??

i am in two minds- hodgson can only take us so far cant he- dont get me wrong i like him alot. but......

We will never know - England might have been knocked out in the group stage, or could have lost this match 5-2. It is difficult to know. However, with the English players available and at the end of a long season ... who knows whether England could have done better.

by Kay Fabe Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:11 am

All brawn no brains from England tonight, they went out with a wimper, hardly a decent chance created since the opening minutes

There is scoop for optimism though, with Jack Wilshire, Tom Cleverly, Kyle Walker, Daniel Sturridge and Gary Cahill all looking to come into the first team there is a hope for the future

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:11 am

freekshow thats my point he has done well with what he had. he hasnt lost a game! how can we get rid.

my main concern is his stubborn approach to 4 4 2

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:12 am

Any suggestion that Roy should go is pure rubbish. He did well to organise us to give us a chance in this tournament. Once he can get his own team he will become more expansive

by GSC Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:12 am

Anybody who suggests Roy should go is a bit daft in the head frankly.

What did you expect when he took the job 2 weeks before selecting a squad, and half the first team squad is injured.

by Liam Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:13 am

Steffan i hope you turn up and support wales and not just bash england because your welsh.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:15 am

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

by monty junior Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:16 am

azania wrote:How the heck did that West Ham reject get so good?

He wasn't a West Ham reject in the first place. He was bought for 6 million so obviously had potential, scored 7 in 28 in his only season then wanted to go back to Italy due to home sickness, don't listen to that arrogant moron who was on commentary.

by Liam Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:17 am

All the top teams play with two holding midfielders who are always covering yet can play passes that keep the game flowing:

Khedira
Schweinstiger

Busquets
Alonso

De Rossi
Pirlo

Mouthino
Veloso

They then have the playmaker playing just off the striker:

Xavi

Montelivo

Ozil

Ronaldo (To a lasser extent but does play a free role)

England need to adopt this formation if you ask me and they have the players to do this. With Wilshere coming in, Rooney can play in that hole and have Rodwell or whoever in the holding role with Wilshere. No coincidence that Italy, Germany, Spain and Portugal to a lesser extent are all in the last four playing that formation. Its not the be all and end all, juts another component of what it takes to reach the later stages of a major tournament.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:18 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

Have you not seen how tactically inept Harry Redknapp is? That is the reason why Spurs lost there 12 point lead to Arsenal because he had the tactical nous of a crisp packet

by Steffan Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:18 am

FreekShow wrote:
Steffan wrote:Having a nice cold cider to celebrate

Get a bit of blackcurrant in that Steff. Beautiful.

I do indeed fella. Cider and black is the business Smile

by super_realist Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:18 am

England are perhaps in reality about the 12th best team in the world. The one positive of this campaign was the realisation of this by the best manager they've had since venables.

Now will people stop playing 'walk away' by cast, grow up and realise that this QF, is the best England could hope for and a pretty decent result.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:19 am

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Anybody who suggests Roy should go is a bit daft in the head frankly.

What did you expect when he took the job 2 weeks before selecting a squad, and half the first team squad is injured.

To start with you couldnt have missed the point any more- he has exceeded expectations- i made that very clear

by Steffan Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:20 am

martyr_94 wrote:Steffan i hope you turn up and support wales and not just bash england because your welsh.

Been watching Wales at home in football for nearly 20 years now. Iv been there through the good and the bad...which has mainly been bad Laugh

Hey at least the mighty world beaters ENGERLAND can go to bed knowing they are better than us. 2 world wars and 1 world cup bla bla

by azania Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:23 am

Steffan wrote:
martyr_94 wrote:Steffan i hope you turn up and support wales and not just bash england because your welsh.
Been watching Wales at home in football for nearly 20 years now. Iv been there through the good and the bad...which has mainly been bad

Hey at least the mighty world beaters ENGERLAND can go to bed knowing they are better than us. 2 world wars and 1 world cup bla bla

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:23 am

Steffan wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
Steffan wrote:Having a nice cold cider to celebrate

Get a bit of blackcurrant in that Steff. Beautiful.
I do indeed fella. Cider and black is the business

Ain't touched a pure cider, sober anyway, since I had my stomach pumped when I was 15 years old when you could get sozzled on a £1.50 bottle of Amberdown down the local park. You don't seem to see that anymore with our youth. The world has gone mad.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:23 am

Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

Have you not seen how tactically inept Harry Redknapp is? That is the reason why Spurs lost there 12 point lead to Arsenal because he had the tactical nous of a crisp packet

strange comment - hodgsons only top club before was liverpool and he was gone in record time!! - would he have got the england job based on a few months- lol

by Liam Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:23 am

Steffan wrote:
martyr_94 wrote:Steffan i hope you turn up and support wales and not just bash england because your welsh.
Been watching Wales at home in football for nearly 20 years now. Iv been there through the good and the bad...which has mainly been bad

Hey at least the mighty world beaters ENGERLAND can go to bed knowing they are better than us. 2 world wars and 1 world cup bla bla

Good man, nothing worse than a gloater who doesn't follow his own countries football team

Worst for me was the Russia and Poland play off games, what a chance that was to qualify. Obviously you had Scotland...

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:24 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

Have you not seen how tactically inept Harry Redknapp is? That is the reason why Spurs lost there 12 point lead to Arsenal because he had the tactical nous of a crisp packet

strange comment - hodgsons only top club before was liverpool and he was gone in record time!! - would he have got the england job based on a few months- lol

Inter Milan are not a top club then Myst?

by Liam Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:25 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

Have you not seen how tactically inept Harry Redknapp is? That is the reason why Spurs lost there 12 point lead to Arsenal because he had the tactical nous of a crisp packet

strange comment - hodgsons only top club before was liverpool and he was gone in record time!! - would he have got the england job based on a few months- lol

Inter?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:25 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Olly wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Harry Redknapp would be a terrible England manager.

Roy has done brilliantly given his resources and timeframe.

well the first part is just an opinion with nothing real backing it up.

your next point is very valid. however roy has done brilliant in 90% of his jobs to dtart with - then he gets kicked out or leaves within 2 years!! not something that tells me he moves forward.

this isnt a time to have a pop at hodgson and i will back him all the way.. but just saying there is a chance to get mr people manager in.. and maybe he could have been a better long term manager for england

Have you not seen how tactically inept Harry Redknapp is? That is the reason why Spurs lost there 12 point lead to Arsenal because he had the tactical nous of a crisp packet

strange comment - hodgsons only top club before was liverpool and he was gone in record time!! - would he have got the england job based on a few months- lol

So you are saying that Redknapp for the job?

Even though Roy has a record of 6 games played 4 wins and 2 draws. And 4 competitive games played with 2 wins and 2 draws

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:26 am

Harry is more the medias choice than the peoples. I'd say half of the guys on here aren't remotely bothered that he didn't get the gig.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:27 am

no olly- I asked a question If anyone thinks it might have been better if hodgson had messed it up and we could have brought someone more long term in.(hogdson is a quick results man with no proof of taking a team any further at all his clubs- because he never stays longer than 2 years)

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:29 am

FreekShow wrote:Harry is more the medias choice than the peoples. I'd say half of the guys on here aren't remotely bothered than he didn't get the gig.

they would if Roy didnt perform- i was allways concerned about his cv being the length of a novel

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:30 am

by the way freak harry was also the players choice- many england players tweeted they wanted him.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:32 am

I'm sorry but any suggestion that Harry Redknapp should be England manager I can't take seriously.

Roy Hodgson has a great record in his career, overseas and in England

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:36 am

Olly

no he has a shocking record in building a team and moving them forward. he has an amazing record at producing quick results. if you dont realise that simple fcat then i cant take your view seriously.

Hodgson is england manager and i am patting him on the back. but we need to just start again- roy wont learn on the job - he is very stuck in his ways.

All the same i am behind him big time and i hope he prooves me wrong, but his record suggests england could get stagnant and hodgson could be ripped to shreads 2 years down the line and england have then lost two years of development

by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:38 am

mystiroakey wrote:by the way freak harry was also the players choice- many england players tweeted they wanted him.

But player power has apparently been the England football teams biggest cancer in recent years. And who's to say that those players who tweeted would even be considered by Rednapp but having said that they did that for their own benefit.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:38 am

Ok then Mysti who would you get in?

And consider Roy is unbeaten as England manager, after playing Italy and France.

by Liam Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:39 am

I don't think people give the credit Redknapp deserves. Took Portsmouth to an FA cup final triumph (money problems not his fault) went to spurs when they were in dissaray and took them to the champions league for the first time, got them to the 1/4 and losing to Madrid isn't an embarrassment by any stretch. Yes they tailed off towards the end but I do think all the talk about England didn't help. How many times will a side finish 6th and win the champions league? spurs were very unlucky this year. I don't think for the record he could have done much more with this side than Hodgson has already done.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:42 am

i wanted pearce to be given a 15 year contract and to use players under 25 years old. that was my optimon soloution. I didnt want gerrard,terry near this team. obviously there were two of our best performers- but break it down- for what!! they didnt win us anything and they wont in the future

but all the same we cant get rid of hodgson- we have to give him at least a shot at the next world cup(my point was allways about if he didnt perform), due to his results and the fact is england played with passion(that was the only thing i wanted from this tourny)

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