Terry is misunderstood

He's alleged to have called Anton Ferdinand a black ****.

Has anyone considered Terry was wearing black that day? Seems more likely he was addressing himself.

I have no axe to grind with either player or club, but what a a ridiculous waste of taxpayers money this trial is..................Ferdinand insulted Terry, Terry insulted him back. Is terry a nice guy - no, is he a racist - no.

IMO, Anton Ferdinand is a bit of an embarrassment for allowing it to get this far...................

PC gone mad...............

And yeah, I get Terry shouldn't have said it, but really, worse things get said in the heat of the moment. Imo the 2nd half is the actual bad part, but because he referred to race we get a big trial

Reading through some of the transcripts, it really sounds like Anton wasn't really that offended. He also stated he'd rather the FA deal with it than criminal courts

Ferdinand comes out of this really badly i think.............the whole "no shaking hands" fiasco was an embarrassment...............man up Anton!!

This thread is Chelsea supporters I take it because how you can excuse Terry is beyond me.

bretmeharty wrote:This thread is Chelsea supporters I take it because how you can excuse Terry is beyond me.

I'm guessing you're a fan of Ryan Giggs?

I'm not excusing Terry, 100% he shouldn't have said it. And I'm not a Chelsea fan, and I don't particularly like Terry.

Personally I don't see the need for a big trial, like Suarez the FA should've just handled it. Sounds like Ferdinand was pushed into it by people close to him.

And if somebody said the same to me I'd find the **** part much more offensive.

Gregers wrote:

bretmeharty wrote:This thread is Chelsea supporters I take it because how you can excuse Terry is beyond me.

I'm guessing you're a fan of Ryan Giggs?

Why Ryan Giggs?

Im a big fan of his work but I also frown upon his activities off the pitch

bretmeharty wrote:This thread is Chelsea supporters I take it because how you can excuse Terry is beyond me.

Wrong..............i take every situation on its merits. I happen to think this trial is an embarrassment in the sense that it is being taken at all........................

Footballers are an embarrassment more like.

super_realist wrote:Footballers are an embarrassment more like.

These two yes...............for the Crown Prosecution Service to get involved in a petty, playground, name calling episode between these 2 is shameful though....................

The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

The FA will deal with the issue after the trial. They couldn't pursue anything as this was going to trial and the outcome of the FA's investigations could compromise the criminal case.

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

The FA will deal with the issue after the trial. They couldn't pursue anything as this was going to trial and the outcome of the FA's investigations could compromise the criminal case.

Yeah.

ronin47 wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

It doesn't matter who complained, a member of public complained about racial abuse so the law is being enacted. If it happened in a town centre between two random people, the same thing would be happening.

Racism needs to be stamped out of life, and while John Terry probably isn't racist, just stupid, he did racially abuse somebody and so should be punished through the law.

compeltely agree crimey

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Crimey wrote:

ronin47 wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

It doesn't matter who complained, a member of public complained about racial abuse so the law is being enacted. If it happened in a town centre between two random people, the same thing would be happening.

Racism needs to be stamped out of life, and while John Terry probably isn't racist, just stupid, he did racially abuse somebody and so should be punished through the law.

Crimey wrote:

ronin47 wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

It doesn't matter who complained, a member of public complained about racial abuse so the law is being enacted. If it happened in a town centre between two random people, the same thing would be happening.

Racism needs to be stamped out of life, and while John Terry probably isn't racist, just stupid, he did racially abuse somebody and so should be punished through the law.

Stupid thing to say but it was a heat of the moment comment. We've all said things we regret haven't we?

Stella wrote:

Crimey wrote:

ronin47 wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

It doesn't matter who complained, a member of public complained about racial abuse so the law is being enacted. If it happened in a town centre between two random people, the same thing would be happening.

Racism needs to be stamped out of life, and while John Terry probably isn't racist, just stupid, he did racially abuse somebody and so should be punished through the law.

Stupid thing to say but it was a heat of the moment comment. We've all said things we regret haven't we?

Yes, but the law is the law, and Terry broke it, if it is indeed considered racist (which I think it is.)

The press coverage is farcical

I think it was name calling, myself.

btw

I've got no time for Terry just think that on this occasion, he's being harshly treated.

Stella wrote:I think it was name calling, myself.

btw

I've got no time for Terry just think that on this occasion, he's being harshly treated.

It's the law. The media might be treating Terry harshly, but the court case would have happened whether it was John Terry or any other randomer in the street.

Crimey wrote:

Stella wrote:I think it was name calling, myself.

btw

I've got no time for Terry just think that on this occasion, he's being harshly treated.

It's the law. The media might be treating Terry harshly, but the court case would have happened whether it was John Terry or any other randomer in the street.

Kicking someone in the street is against the law but do it on the Football field then it's ok. Different rules and laws.

A load of old balls IMO. I detest racism but was this racism? I don't think it was.

Stella wrote:

Crimey wrote:

Stella wrote:I think it was name calling, myself.

btw

I've got no time for Terry just think that on this occasion, he's being harshly treated.

It's the law. The media might be treating Terry harshly, but the court case would have happened whether it was John Terry or any other randomer in the street.

Kicking someone in the street is against the law but do it on the Football field then it's ok. Different rules and laws.

A load of old balls IMO. I detest racism but was this racism? I don't think it was.

Racism is breaking the rules in both. It was racial abuse. It doesn't necessarily mean Terry is racist. Whether he said it in the heat of the moment is irrelevant, he racially abused him in the moment.

The use of "black c**t" is racially abusive, while the "c**t" part of the statement is more offensive, the use of "black" was unnecessary unless he was using it in a racist manner.

The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

Typically PC that calling someone a **** is fine whileadding a colour in front makes it a criminal offense

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

Indeed. If that's against the law then I give up. As it turns out, it isn't

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Typically PC that calling someone a **** is fine whileadding a colour in front makes it a criminal offense

you get it

I think everybody's who taken the stand has said the trial shouldn't have happenned

So its ok to call some a black Kumquat?

Only 1 way to find out!

It's the wrong thing to say but even if he had called him it, you can excuse it to a certain extent due to things being said 'in the heat of the moment'.

Should it be against the law? Not in that context.

If I or JT were to walk up to a man in the street and say fu.. off you bl..k .... for no apparent reason then that is totally different.

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Only 1 way to find out!

that could be his excuse, he didn't have his sewer filter on!!

Crimey wrote:

ronin47 wrote:

Crimey wrote:The reason it's on a criminal trial has absolutely nothing to do with Anton Ferdinand. A member of the public complained so it's being handled in a criminal court rather than the FA.

From what I understand the 1 person who actually made a complaint was an off-duty police officer. No doubt hoping to score some brownie points.

The whole thing is a total waste of the publics money - and the CPS should never have allowed it to go anywhere near a court.

ronin47

It doesn't matter who complained, a member of public complained about racial abuse so the law is being enacted. If it happened in a town centre between two random people, the same thing would be happening.

Racism needs to be stamped out of life, and while John Terry probably isn't racist, just stupid, he did racially abuse somebody and so should be punished through the law.

Terry Misunderstood?

Bob was a visionary
http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&client=mv-rim&v=Ske14K30TYY

So you can racially abuse someone but not be a racist?

I'd say there is a difference in making a racist comment and actually being racist yes

super_realist wrote:So you can racially abuse someone but not be a racist?

Of course you can.

In the same way that you can make a homophobic comment without actually being homophobic.

But, if you abuse someone racially, you are charged with racism and branded a racist.

super_realist wrote:But, if you abuse someone racially, you are charged with racism and branded a racist.

By some, who would be wrong.

Crimey wrote:

super_realist wrote:So you can racially abuse someone but not be a racist?

Of course you can.

In the same way that you can make a homophobic comment without actually being homophobic.

You can make a homophobic/racist comment without being homophobic or racist - but you're probably either ignorant, a tosspot, or playing up for a reaction (i.e. a stand-up comedian). John Terry is probably both of the former things (don't know how good his stand-up is) - I don't believe he's a racist though.

super_realist wrote:But, if you abuse someone racially, you are charged with racism and branded a racist.

Not true at all. In fact in the Suarez-case, although that wasn't a court case but an FA one, the FA and Patrice Evra made it very clear that while Suarez was being punished for racial abuse, he was not a racist.

I'm sure it won't be long before Terry pipes up "Some of my best friends are black, of course I wasn't talking about you, you're alright, I'm talking about the rest"

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE hahaha what a dumb Muppet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9395243/John-Terry-racism-trial-Chelsea-captain-only-too-pleased-to-follow-orders-in-courtroom-gaff.html

Ron Atkinson made a terrible Racist comment back in 2004, it killed his career yet he did more for Black players than anyone else in the UK in the 70s and 80s, hardly the actions of a racist man

So I'd say you can definitely make a racist comment without being Racist

Terry gets his butt licked by too many for his career to go the same way as Big Ron's tho.....

The death of big Ron's career wasn't really the point I was trying to make to be fair