Rangers News Part 2

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32k+ fans at SPL games when the likes of Celtic, Aberdeen and Hibs were all at notoriously small clubs with a low capacity is a good number, add to that 13,538 at the Dundee derby then its great stuff, 46,025 fans turning up to watch the SPL when the three biggest capacity clubs where away from home is great

From yesterdays attendances crowds in the SPL excluding games against Celtic where up 20% and that was before adding todays great attendance to it, fans are definitely going to games which bodes well for every club in the league

109,952 fans went to see Scottish Football this weekend, that's to be applauded

Just heard that Mr Green is doing this, when/if Rangers get an SPL team in the Cup, tickets will be a pound, but you will need to buy a program for £14, so we only need to give whoever we play 50p a ticket instead of £7.50, and the money from the program sales goes to the club.

Good thinking although it's hardly going to endear the new Rangers to rest of Scottish football, but then again there is such unprecedented and irretrievable bitterness and hatred against the "new" Rangers that stunts like that can't make them any more hated than they already are....can't wait to see the bile filled outpouring of rage against the idea

I think it's a good idea, no point lining the pockets of people who wanted them dead. As long as they don't do it in any of the lower divisions, maybe the first division actually.

Just showing their true colours. Remember, Rangers downfall is down to Rangers and them only. The SPL wanted them dead for good reasons, decades of cheating.

Will never happen anyway, both clubs have to agree on a ticket price. Just another way for Green to try and appeal to the orcs New Rangers "fans"

Decades??? Here make sure you don't let the facts get in the way of a good exaggeration eh?

Couldn't help but laugh at this one when I heard it at the weekend...

Skysports have issued an apology to all Rangers fans after an earlier promise to screen all their games live in 3D....what they actually meant was D3

JAS wrote:Decades??? Here make sure you don't let the facts get in the way of a good exaggeration eh?

So you admit they cheated then? It's just the "decades" you are disputing.

Ok Nay point taken although I won't be starting up another thread to discuss whether or not Rangers cheated just to give a stuck record the chance to drone on infinitum.

Duncan for the record, once only, no I do not believe they cheated ON the field of play or from a football perspective. We're they guilty of cheating the Taxman....debatable as the case has been outstanding for months/years. If it was that clear cut, the case would have been heard by now and judgement passed. They may or may not be guilty but to pronounce or assume guilt now could undermine HMRCs case.

There have been other cases of the dubious use of EBTs by other British Clubs. The difference between them and Rangers being that they could afford to settle out of court with HMRC...but if it's the actual using of EBTs that is deemed to be "cheating" then surely there should be calls for them to be stripped of their silverware too.

#HEEL wrote:Just heard that Mr Green is doing this, when/if Rangers get an SPL team in the Cup, tickets will be a pound, but you will need to buy a program for £14, so we only need to give whoever we play 50p a ticket instead of £7.50, and the money from the program sales goes to the club.

Don't know if someones corrected you yet but its impossible to do that, cup games equal a 50/50 split of the gate after expenses, the home and away clubs need to come to an agreement of the price of tickets, if neither clubs agree on the pricing the SFA/SFL will then set the official match day price

JAS wrote:Ok Nay point taken although I won't be starting up another thread to discuss whether or not Rangers cheated just to give a stuck record the chance to drone on infinitum.

Duncan for the record, once only, no I do not believe they cheated ON the field of play or from a football perspective. We're they guilty of cheating the Taxman....debatable as the case has been outstanding for months/years. If it was that clear cut, the case would have been heard by now and judgement passed. They may or may not be guilty but to pronounce or assume guilt now could undermine HMRCs case.

There have been other cases of the dubious use of EBTs by other British Clubs. The difference between them and Rangers being that they could afford to settle out of court with HMRC...but if it's the actual using of EBTs that is deemed to be "cheating" then surely there should be calls for them to be stripped of their silverware too.

Strange deafening silence re the last point...I guess the point being...if you're fed enough money by Sky, you can cheat if you want, then just pay up to keep everything above board and quiet if you get rumbled... Corruption and double standards....fuelling soccer the world over in the 21st century.

That's not true, EBT's won't get titles stripped, duel contracts will, duel contracts are one of the fundemental no-no's of the SPL, that is the problem not the actual use of the Employee Benefit Trusts, those where just a tax scam, that's a completely different issue

Completely at a loss with rangers transfers dealing,

McCoist saying he needs 5 or 6 in, we sign one and let 3 go.

Now I don't have higher maths and may have forgot to carry a one, but that seems like losing players to me

Division 3 club. Any player with sense will tell you to GTF.

As always thanks for that interesting and thought provoking contribution to this thread.

Nae bother

Truth hurts.

Can I ask why a Second division player, would not drop down to the third division to play for higher wages. Why third division players would not join ra gets or free transfers.

I never mentioned which players, I only mentioned the number of players. Yet as usual you have jumped to an incorrect conclusion in an attempt to disrupt the rangers thread.

Because Sevco are not targeting second division players. They are wanting SPL atleast (Templeton, McGowan). Templeton has quite probably ruined his career. He had a promising future where he could have finished his contract at Hearts and move to a Championship/EPL club and maybe make national team. No chance of that now, his drive, ambition and overall ability will drop when he walks out to play Elgin City. From playing Liverpool in europe to playing Elgin City in division 3....

Congratulations you have finally grasped the points why are we targeting SPL players when we could have the cream of these divisions to supplement the players we have.

With a transfer ban, it surely would make sense, now we we have very little past the first team squad. Or more likely very little McCoist seems to have faith in.

It's pretty obvious why players are leaving the Premier league and joining the 3rd division, to join a bigger club.

The Galveston Giant wrote:It's pretty obvious why players are leaving the Premier league and joining the 3rd division, to join a bigger club.

If Black had joined Aberdeen he would be taking a step back. Makes sense to join the 3rd Division.

The Galveston Giant wrote:If Black had joined Aberdeen he would be taking a step back. Makes sense to join the 3rd Division.

C'mon, what more beauties you got?

Firstly, I don't think there is any disputing the fact that The Rangers are a bigger club than Aberdeen or every other club in Scotland barring one, however for me it does show a lack of ambition, with League re-construction almost guaranteed Rangers will be back in the top League in two years not three, but those two years will be career suicide for a lot of those players, Sheils, Black and Sandaza were all finally hitting a standard in the SPL it had taken them years to reach, in my opinion they'll not reach that standard again, playing against the level of opposition they'll be playing simply won't motivate them enough to push themselves, that's not an insult, its just reality

As for the signings themselve, I'm baffled by them, make no mistake McCoist will win the league and double promotions with this outfit but in my opinion its hardly going to be an achievment, what does worry me though (maybe not worry) is the seemingly lack of knowledge from the club on players that would not only do a job in that division but also know how to get out of it and also players they could themselves improve along the way and make money on them

Stevie May from St Johnstone, big striker, only a kid, he went to Alloa last season in January and scored 19 goals while helping Alloa win promotion, he looks a real prospect, he would have been a real investment and someone who could have slotted in immediately, he'd also have only required around £1k p/w

Ryan Donnelly from Airdrie, again this kid is highly rated, many considered him to be the best striker in SFL2 last season, he scored over 20 goals including a couple against Dundee Utd in the cup, another one with a massive future, he would have done a job and another potentially great investment, another who would have snatched your hand off at £1k p/w

Scott Agnew from Dumbarton, this boy won the Player of the year last season in SFL2, he's a midfielder who models his game on Gazza, obviously he's not near that standard but it gives you an idea of the type of midfielder he is, his style is something McCoist hasn't got and he'd have been a breath of fresh air for the team, again, has bucket loads of potential and would have been a cheapish signing, £75k would have got him and another who'd have took £1k p/w and thought he'd won the lottery

In defence Garry Kenneth for me would have been the answer, maybe not a player many like but for SFL3/2/1 he'd have been just what the doctor ordered, pace and physicality and plenty of heart, leaving the SPL for SFL3 would have looked like a lack of ambition but he joined Bristol Rovers anyway so that tells you all you need to know about his ambition, was on around £1500 p/w at Dundee Utd and a slight improvement would have saw him in defence

Another player McCoist could have signed was Martin Boyle, he's just a kid but he won the SFL golden boot last season with Montrose, he's still very young and has a bright future, again someone with the experiance and knowledge of SFL3 with massive potential, he's recently signed for Dundee, definitely a missed opportunity.

It feels like Rangers are using a Steamroller to crush an ant with the players they've chosen to sign, whoever they signed would propel them up the leagues anyway, I just feel this was a real chance lost to build an on field investment over the next two/three years

Also, agree with Nay, McCoist said he wanted 5/6 players, then they lose Broadfoot, Goian and Bocanegra and only bring in two (both attackers)

It seems strange, they spent most of the deadline day chasing after a player they don't really need and neglecting positions that many feel they do need strengthened

McCoist to me is just giving himself that problem we have all faced in football manager.

The moment you get a few injuries and suspensions look at your squad and see 1 Gk., 3 cb, 1 fullback who can play on both sides, a DMC, MC, 32 attacking midfielders and 14 strikers.

Duff & Phelps 'asked Craig Whyte to lie over ticket deal'
By Mark Daly
BBC Scotland Investigations Correspondent
42 minutes ago

Mr Grier has said he was only aware of the Ticketus deal in August 2011
Rangers administrators tried to persuade the club's former owner Craig Whyte to lie about their knowledge of the Ticketus deal.

This arrangement was used to buy the club.

Duff & Phelps asked Mr Whyte to lie because they were afraid HMRC would remove them as administrators over a potential conflict of interest.

The revelations are contained in a recorded conversation between the firm's David Grier and Craig Whyte.

The Ticketus deal - which saw three years of Rangers season tickets sold to London finance firm Ticketus for £25m - was uncovered eight months after the Motherwell-born businessman bought the Glasgow club.

Mr Whyte used the money to pay off Rangers' £18m debt to Lloyds Banking Group.

The revelation caused anger among Rangers fans, who accused Mr Whyte of lying about how he funded his purchase last May.

In February 2012, when Rangers went into administration and Duff & Phelps took over, the firm confirmed the existence of the Ticketus deal, saying it was "a matter which we are looking at and trying to understand".

As well as being appointed administrators after the club plunged into insolvency, Duff & Phelps were also involved in Craig Whyte's takeover.

And a BBC Scotland investigation broadcast in May suggested that Mr Grier, a senior Duff & Phelps partner, may have known about the controversial Ticketus deal before the Whyte takeover was complete.


Mr Whyte's conversation was recorded a week after the BBC aired claims about Duff & Phelps and Ticketus
Mr Grier, and Duff & Phelps, denied the claims and said he was unaware of this particular Ticketus deal until August 2011.

The recorded meeting between Mr Whyte and Mr Grier was held a week after the BBC documentary was aired.

It revealed that Mr Grier not only knew that Mr Whyte had sold season tickets to fund the club's acquisition, but that they were intent on denying this because they thought they could get away with it.

It also showed an attempt was made by Mr Grier to get Mr Whyte to agree to the publication of a press release which would vindicate the firm of any knowledge about the Ticketus deal used to buy the club.

Mr Grier said: "We knew that Ticketus was a funder but we did not know that Ticketus would be used for acquisition funding and that is our line.

"So any assistance you can give with that would be considered appropriate because the concern is that when it comes to sparring, with cards on the table HMRC kicks off and it's just a completely disastrous situation."

Mr Whyte: "Yep. It's a disaster."

Mr Grier: "A f****** disaster.

Mr Grier: "So we need urgently the support to say that we were not conflicted and not involved in the Ticketus financing arrangement and if we get that we say to HMRC, look we've told you …were not involved in, and actually we were not conflicted.

Mr Grier: "You got to say that we were not part of the Ticketus finance, I am not asking you to say we didn't know about it, we knew about Ticketus as a funder - but we were not part of the Ticketus financing arrangements."

Mr Whyte said: "No part of the arrangements?"

Mr Grier: "No part in the arrangements, there is a form of words…."

The statement suggested by Mr Grier was to be drafted by Duff & Phelp's PR advisers, Media House and sent to Mr Whyte.

The following day, the statement Craig Whyte was supposed to make was sent from a Hotmail address purporting to belong to a Ted Smith.

'Voice recognition'

Mr Whyte never released the statement and the recording is to be used in a forthcoming court case involving Duff & Phelps and Mr Whyte's former lawyers Collyer Bristow.

BBC Scotland has been able to confirm with a voice recognition expert that the recording is of Mr Grier.

A Duff and Phelps spokesman said: "Duff & Phelps maintains that our conduct of the Rangers Administration was carried out to the highest professional standards. We do not respond to information that is taken out of context, as we believe is the case in these BBC stories.

"As we have said previously, we welcome the opportunity to review a complete copy of the information that the BBC references."

Still a bit to go in the saga.

So green reckons rangers will never play in the spl again and he won't leave till the champs league music is back at ibrox.

What a fud!

Why does it bother you ya fud?

Who says I was bothered ya clown!

Green's being clever, all this "we won't play in the SPL again" is just a play on words, he like everyone else knows there will be reconstruction to make the transition of The Rangers into the top flight 2 years instead of 3 years, it's expected the SPL/SFL/SFA will merge which means the SPL as we know it will be rebranded, thus allowing Green to be correct in his 'we'll never play in the SPL again' statement.

Absolutely no-one would stand by and allow him to hold the club from going into the top flight if and when they win the right to play in it, fans, players and investors would revolt!

Good to see the SPL crowds are up and a close competitive league for a change.
Celtic also doing well in the CL.

Now ...remind me what did the New Rangers fans say about the SPL when they sloped off to Div3.

This isn't a dig at any fans of Rangers, but so far and I'm aware we're only in November but I've loved every minute of this season so far, the league has been very entertaining, there seems to be a bond forming between lots of different clubs and from Celtic's point of view their European campaign has been excellent, the first Division is also looking very tastey with Thistle, Dunfermline and Morton all going for the title and the 3rd Division has been essential viewing too

Crowds are well up in the 3rd division too. Indeed world record crowds for the 4th tier of any league set up in the world

Rangers also guaranteed a trip to Hampden and European football ( well football outwith the confines of the Scottish Border).

Everyone's a winner

Queens Park and Berwick Rangers......nice to know you can still laugh at it Jas!

What else is there to do Doon? Too many people take football far too seriously.

To be over elated at success and crushingly disappointed at failure is to be the child of circumstances.

Ooh....a wee bit of Sun Tzu philosophy 1st thing on a Weds morning!!

"Those who know when to fight and when not to will be victorious"

I love a bit of Sun Tzu

I must admit though, standing in the Stadium at the final whistle in the Uefa Cup Final in Seville I'd never felt so low in my life up until almost 2 years ago

Doon the Water wrote:Good to see the SPL crowds are up and a close competitive league for a change.
Celtic also doing well in the CL.

Now ...remind me what did the New Rangers fans say about the SPL when they sloped off to Div3.

Oh dear!!! Going by the news tonight it would appear that your sense of humour is about to be tested Doon.

All is clearly not as well as it seems post Rangers demise :-/

It's all gone a bit quiet from the representatives from the People's Republic of West Lithuania down Gorgie Road. Are you all out busking?
I hear Duff and Phelps are looking for a new corpse to feast on :-/

Hearts going down has nothing to do with Rangers not being around anymore. Hearts spending was always going to come back and bite them. Thats what you get when you pay Christian Nade 10k a week.

F' em'. They won't be missed.

Romanov was always there for the investment.
When Plan A did not work [Showcasing and selling on Eastern European players] there was no Plan B.
He will cut and run soon. The debt is not too much as he owns Tynecastle which is a good property investment area [unlike Ibrox]
Club is worth about £30m so I can't see the fans raising that.
Does not look good but no surprise.
Jas...... we may have a Hearts v Rangers league game in 2015.

I hope they do survive Doon, not nice seeing any club go to the wall, it really is a sad indictment of the state of Scottish football that clubs of Rangers & Hearts stature got into the state they're in.

To be honest future prospects look bleak for all unless there's a radical change, Sky's investment strategy in football has left Scottish Football as a minor bit part player and sadly that ain't gonna change anytime soon.

It's not an indictment on "Scottish football".

Hearts and Rangers have only themselves to blame. Living outwith their means for years. Deserve all that comes to them. Hearts giving it the big one when they won the cup with players they couldn't afford. Cheating. The rest of us will have the last laugh. RIP Rangers and Hearts. How fitting that its the queen that's screwed/screwing you both.

What's that smell??....oh hello Duncan.

You make Angosturas taste positively sweet.

...as a hater of the old Rangers can you enlighten us (apart from being a complete saddo - which I'm sure you wouldn't admit) why you lurk around a Rangers thread spitting your petty little bitterness??

Why would I not be allowed to comment on a thread in the Scottish Football section? (or any section of any forum).

All other clubs had to tighten the finances to stay in business effectively making their team/club worse. Hearts and Rangers ignored this (Nade - 10K a week!). They both went on to win cups/leagues unfairly imo and now it's finally came back to bite them. Why should I have any sympathy for them?

I didn't say you weren't allowed, I just question why if you hate something so much do you hang around it like a bad smell.

I didn't think I'd get a sensible answer but thanks for confirming a long held belief of mine that bitter saddos are completely incapable of answering straightforward questions in a straightforward way...laters.

How is my answer not a sensible one?

It seems you are the one incapable of debate..."what's that smell"..."saddos". Excellent stuff.

Where did I say I hate them? I don't like that they've cheated other clubs and now they want sympathy..."sell out our home games...urging away supporters to turn up to "save them" when they've been cheating them for years,

Also, you didn't answer my question. Why should I have any sympathy for them?

Hypocrite

Sad news indeed about Sandy Jardine :-(

The guy has been there through Rangers finest hour as well as their darkest days.

Can only wish him well and hope for the best.

Better news Jas.
The tax folk said that Rangers did not break tax laws.
£45m to the good then.

Souness, McCoist and Co. will have to pay back the 'loans' though.