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Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
Red Bull have dismissed as a "non-issue" the latest in a series of controversies to engulf the team.
It has emerged that at June's Canadian GP, governing body the FIA asked Red Bull to modify its front suspension.
The FIA found it could be changed by hand when rules say it must be done with tools. Changes are banned between qualifying and race.
Boss Christian Horner said: "We never changed the ride height in parc ferme. It is a non-issue."
Asked why the suspension could be changed by hand when the rules state specifically that must not be possible, Horner, Red Bull's team principal, said: "There are a lot of parts that are changed manually on the car, but a tool was used. The suspension has never been changed once it's in parc ferme. Never.
"Honestly, it's completely trivial.
"Basically what was on the car in Canada has been on [the car] at a lot of other races as well, and at no point has it been adjusted in parc ferme.
"It is a question of whether you do it with a tool or manually, and it is done with a tool."
Article 34.5 of the Sporting Regulations states: "In order that the scrutineers may be completely satisfied that no alterations have been made to the suspension systems or aerodynamic configuration of the car (with the exception of the front wing) whilst in post qualifying parc ferme, it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools."
If a team could find a way to change the suspension settings between qualifying and race without being discovered, it would give them a significant advantage.
Cars have to be run higher than is ideal in qualifying, because a race fuel load weighs them down and they would otherwise break rules dictating that an underbody wooden 'plank' - which is there to prevent cars running too low - must not wear down by more than 1mm in the course of the race.
Running cars lower improves their aerodynamics and makes them faster around corners.
So being able to adjust the ride-height would make them faster in qualifying while still allowing a team to raise them for the race to ensure the 'plank' is legal by the end of the race.
The suspension controversy follows the FIA's decision to change the rules on engine mapping ahead of this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix to prevent Red Bull modifying theirs to give an advantage on cornering and tyre wear.
Red Bull were reported to the stewards by the FIA at the German Grand Prix last weekend but were allowed to race because they were found not to have broken the letter of the rules.
But as their actions were against the intention of the rules, the FIA made a change on Wednesday.
There have been two earlier technical controversies surrounding Red Bull this year.
They were forced to modify holes in their floor which they ran in the Bahrain, Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix - two of which they won - after the FIA said they contravened regulations.
Also in Canada, the FIA made Red Bull close off holes that ran through their wheels on the grounds that they were a moveable aerodynamic device, which are banned.
Horner played down the string of problems surrounding his team.
"I think it is the consequence of being competitive," he said, "when others are complaining [about] the reason the car is quick, and that is the case here."
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19032217
Always the same old stroy. Until there is a points deduction, these guys will continue to flaunt the rules. 3 races this season, they have benefitted from having questionable cars and they got away with it.
Ridiculous
It has emerged that at June's Canadian GP, governing body the FIA asked Red Bull to modify its front suspension.
The FIA found it could be changed by hand when rules say it must be done with tools. Changes are banned between qualifying and race.
Boss Christian Horner said: "We never changed the ride height in parc ferme. It is a non-issue."
Asked why the suspension could be changed by hand when the rules state specifically that must not be possible, Horner, Red Bull's team principal, said: "There are a lot of parts that are changed manually on the car, but a tool was used. The suspension has never been changed once it's in parc ferme. Never.
"Honestly, it's completely trivial.
"Basically what was on the car in Canada has been on [the car] at a lot of other races as well, and at no point has it been adjusted in parc ferme.
"It is a question of whether you do it with a tool or manually, and it is done with a tool."
Article 34.5 of the Sporting Regulations states: "In order that the scrutineers may be completely satisfied that no alterations have been made to the suspension systems or aerodynamic configuration of the car (with the exception of the front wing) whilst in post qualifying parc ferme, it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools."
If a team could find a way to change the suspension settings between qualifying and race without being discovered, it would give them a significant advantage.
Cars have to be run higher than is ideal in qualifying, because a race fuel load weighs them down and they would otherwise break rules dictating that an underbody wooden 'plank' - which is there to prevent cars running too low - must not wear down by more than 1mm in the course of the race.
Running cars lower improves their aerodynamics and makes them faster around corners.
So being able to adjust the ride-height would make them faster in qualifying while still allowing a team to raise them for the race to ensure the 'plank' is legal by the end of the race.
The suspension controversy follows the FIA's decision to change the rules on engine mapping ahead of this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix to prevent Red Bull modifying theirs to give an advantage on cornering and tyre wear.
Red Bull were reported to the stewards by the FIA at the German Grand Prix last weekend but were allowed to race because they were found not to have broken the letter of the rules.
But as their actions were against the intention of the rules, the FIA made a change on Wednesday.
There have been two earlier technical controversies surrounding Red Bull this year.
They were forced to modify holes in their floor which they ran in the Bahrain, Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix - two of which they won - after the FIA said they contravened regulations.
Also in Canada, the FIA made Red Bull close off holes that ran through their wheels on the grounds that they were a moveable aerodynamic device, which are banned.
Horner played down the string of problems surrounding his team.
"I think it is the consequence of being competitive," he said, "when others are complaining [about] the reason the car is quick, and that is the case here."
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19032217
Always the same old stroy. Until there is a points deduction, these guys will continue to flaunt the rules. 3 races this season, they have benefitted from having questionable cars and they got away with it.
Ridiculous
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Re: Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
There is a certain amount of momentum building now over Red Bull's compliance (or non compliance) of the rules.
Is there smoke without fire? Probably not but I suspect that all the teams sail as close to the wind as physically possible with regards to their car design.
Have Red Bull's results so far this year been tainted?
Is there smoke without fire? Probably not but I suspect that all the teams sail as close to the wind as physically possible with regards to their car design.
Have Red Bull's results so far this year been tainted?
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Re: Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
Ferrari has strongly refuted claims from rivals Red Bull that it has been running a manually-adjusted ride-height system in Formula 1 - on the back of the latest technical controversy that erupted at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Red Bull found itself last weekend having to deny suggestions that it breached the sport's regulations by having a system on its car that could adjust the ride height without the use of tools.
It had emerged that the FIA had asked the team to change its design in Canada, because the governing body felt the effort required to make set-up alterations was too low.
Red Bull's motorsport advisor Helmut Marko has not only denied his team ever made changes to its car's set-up by hand - but he has also questioned why his team aroused suspicion because he claimed Ferrari had run an identical design.
Speaking to Auto Motor Und Sport, Marko said: "We have never adjusted anything by hand. I don't know why the others are upset – we know Ferrari has used something like that for a year."
But Ferrari says Marko's claims are incorrect – and that the outfit has never run anything like that.
"This is completely untrue," a team spokesman told AUTOSPORT in reference to Marko's comments.
When asked for a response to Red Bull's suggestions that it broke the rules, the Ferrari spokesman added: "Did they really accuse us of cheating? Are you sure? Anyway, we have all the confidence in the FIA's role to make sure all the regulations are fully respected."
source. autosport
Red Bull found itself last weekend having to deny suggestions that it breached the sport's regulations by having a system on its car that could adjust the ride height without the use of tools.
It had emerged that the FIA had asked the team to change its design in Canada, because the governing body felt the effort required to make set-up alterations was too low.
Red Bull's motorsport advisor Helmut Marko has not only denied his team ever made changes to its car's set-up by hand - but he has also questioned why his team aroused suspicion because he claimed Ferrari had run an identical design.
Speaking to Auto Motor Und Sport, Marko said: "We have never adjusted anything by hand. I don't know why the others are upset – we know Ferrari has used something like that for a year."
But Ferrari says Marko's claims are incorrect – and that the outfit has never run anything like that.
"This is completely untrue," a team spokesman told AUTOSPORT in reference to Marko's comments.
When asked for a response to Red Bull's suggestions that it broke the rules, the Ferrari spokesman added: "Did they really accuse us of cheating? Are you sure? Anyway, we have all the confidence in the FIA's role to make sure all the regulations are fully respected."
source. autosport
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Re: Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
This is getting silly now. This is just something else to add to RBs "possible illegal part list". I understand that ALL teams run close to the edge of the rules, but RB seems to be the only team thats constantly under the spot light regardings this issue.
Being able to do it by hand does question RBs intentions. I mean if they never intended and never have changed the ride height in parc ferme then why the need to do it by hand in the first place. It was designed to be able to be adjusted by hand for a reason... whether that is indeed so it could be adjusted in parce ferme, who knows.
Being able to do it by hand does question RBs intentions. I mean if they never intended and never have changed the ride height in parc ferme then why the need to do it by hand in the first place. It was designed to be able to be adjusted by hand for a reason... whether that is indeed so it could be adjusted in parce ferme, who knows.
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Re: Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
It was designed so they could make changes in parc ferme. That car had flexible wings and a floor and the illegality has continued. Holes in the floor, engine maps etc
They need to be thrown out of the constructors championship or we will continue to have these dicussions throughout the season
They need to be thrown out of the constructors championship or we will continue to have these dicussions throughout the season
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Re: Red Bull deny breaking rule over suspension
If they're thrown out of the constructors then the drivers should be thrown out of the drivers championship. Sounds harsh but if you deem a car illegal for it to be thrown out of the contructors then the drivers have access to a car with an illegal advantage.
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