Arum: Marquez next for Pacquiao.

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The Mosley fight still has to play but Arum is already planing Pacquiao's next bout.

The fight will complete an thrilling trilogy, when Juan Manual Marquez step into the ring for a 3rd time.

There first fight was an epic battle Pacquiao knocking down Marquez 3 times in the first round only for Marquez to come back with the help of mistake by one of the judges to claim a draw.

The rematch was 4 years in the waiting but is was worth the wait, a great technical battle, his speed chess, Pacquiao put Marquez down again only the once but much more heavier knockdown that the previous ones.

The fight swayed back and forth and in the end Pacquiao sneaked a SD.

Since then they have both move up the weights, and had some impressive victories so what can we expect from the 3rd and probably final fight from these two greats.

Many of you were calling for this fight, and with Marquez being a free agent it should be easy to negotiate and will probably happen in November.

Pacquiao just has to get through Mosley now and the trilogy can be complete.


http://www.boxingscene.com/pacquiao-vs-marquez-likely-next-manny-says-arum--38132

HumanWindmill wrote:I seriously wonder what D4 will do if Manny and Floyd ever DO fight ?

He can't trash Floyd during the run in, since Manny is then fighting bums, and he can't say that Floyd is fighting nobodies, because it's Manny coming out of the other corner.

What on Earth will the dear chap do ?

He could try the Samaritans...

HumanWindmill wrote:I seriously wonder what D4 will do if Manny and Floyd ever DO fight ?

He can't trash Floyd during the run in, since Manny is then fighting bums, and he can't say that Floyd is fighting nobodies, because it's Manny coming out of the other corner.

What on Earth will the dear chap do ?

If the fight ever happen, we will have to have the live debate on here, what a great day that will, I will be vindicated.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:So the class of Mayweathers old opponents is permanent as well then?

That is merely a phrase that says nothing about the actual situation at the time, class is not permanent hence why beating aged past it opponents doesn't mean as much as beating them at their best.

Berto was in better form and losing to Cotto and Mosley doesn't entitle you to any sort of world title shot

Were not talking about age were talking about form, and fighter can have off days but there class is still there.

Not at all, class can be as temporary as class. I tend to rate people on the here and now rather than let them live off the past, in which case your fully justifying Mayweathers choice of 'old' opponents

The Mighty Atom wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:So the class of Mayweathers old opponents is permanent as well then?

That is merely a phrase that says nothing about the actual situation at the time, class is not permanent hence why beating aged past it opponents doesn't mean as much as beating them at their best.

Berto was in better form and losing to Cotto and Mosley doesn't entitle you to any sort of world title shot

Were not talking about age were talking about form, and fighter can have off days but there class is still there.

Not at all, class can be as temporary as class. I tend to rate people on the here and now rather than let them live off the past, in which case your fully justifying Mayweathers choice of 'old' opponents

I don't think you are understanding the concept.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:So the class of Mayweathers old opponents is permanent as well then?

That is merely a phrase that says nothing about the actual situation at the time, class is not permanent hence why beating aged past it opponents doesn't mean as much as beating them at their best.

Berto was in better form and losing to Cotto and Mosley doesn't entitle you to any sort of world title shot

Were not talking about age were talking about form, and fighter can have off days but there class is still there.

Not at all, class can be as temporary as class. I tend to rate people on the here and now rather than let them live off the past, in which case your fully justifying Mayweathers choice of 'old' opponents

I don't think you are understanding the concept.

No, he understands the concept. I think all of us understand the concept. Using your 'class' argument though quite clearly justifies Mayweather's choice of opponents exactly as much as YOU are trying to use it to justify Pacquiao's opponents.

I understand what your trying to suggest but it doesn't justify facing opponents in poor form showing nothing to suggest they deserved a title shot over Berto who was in relatively good form.

It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

Basically, Manny is the welterweight champ, its up to Marquez to make the weight. If he feels he can't do it, thats up to him. Manny wants to defend his WW title not continually move up and down in weights. As he has moved up quickly, he's not going to want to shed weight, potentially lose muscle mass, etc. If someone's in the middle of a diet, they need to maintain the same exercise programme, calorie intake, eating habits for a long time. Continually changing will cause problems, is Manny supposed to then regain the weight afterwards.

Roach's job is to train Pacquiao and book opponents. If he feels Manny is performing well at WW and wants to remain at that weight, from his perspective Marquez's needs to sign the contract or move on to a different opponent. I doubt he will move Pacquiao around to fit with Marquez. Could be that Pacquiao has now outgrown Marquez and he can't make the weight, but he's not there to read Marquez's mind. Don't sign the deal.

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

Basically, Manny is the welterweight champ, its up to Marquez to make the weight. If he feels he can't do it, thats up to him. Manny wants to defend his WW title not continually move up and down in weights. As he has moved up quickly, he's not going to want to shed weight, potentially lose muscle mass, etc. If someone's in the middle of a diet, they need to maintain the same exercise programme, calorie intake, eating habits for a long time. Continually changing will cause problems, is Manny supposed to then regain the weight afterwards.

Roach's job is to train Pacquiao and book opponents. If he feels Manny is performing well at WW and wants to remain at that weight, from his perspective Marquez's needs to sign the contract or move on to a different opponent. I doubt he will move Pacquiao around to fit with Marquez. Could be that Pacquiao has now outgrown Marquez and he can't make the weight, but he's not there to read Marquez's mind. Don't sign the deal.

This is tantamount to the ravings of an imbecile.

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up.

Is Pacman lining up another Dorian to fight?

If you lot were so tragic this would be funny.

First all we here Pacquiao is ducking Mosley he should fight him?

Pacquiao signs to fight Shane, but are people happy, no. They say he should have signed to fight Marquez.

So theres is talk of Marquez fighting Pacquiao next, are the people happy, no yet again they have moved the goal post and now claim Berto is the top man and he should fight him.

It really is pathetic your excuses.

That's not what's being said though, so please stop moving the goalposts and putting words in peoples mouths.

Has Pacquiao not faced Mosley over 2 years when the fight was wanted, when it was signed no one wanted to see it

You really are a sad tragic loser

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

Basically, Manny is the welterweight champ, its up to Marquez to make the weight. If he feels he can't do it, thats up to him. Manny wants to defend his WW title not continually move up and down in weights. As he has moved up quickly, he's not going to want to shed weight, potentially lose muscle mass, etc. If someone's in the middle of a diet, they need to maintain the same exercise programme, calorie intake, eating habits for a long time. Continually changing will cause problems, is Manny supposed to then regain the weight afterwards.

Roach's job is to train Pacquiao and book opponents. If he feels Manny is performing well at WW and wants to remain at that weight, from his perspective Marquez's needs to sign the contract or move on to a different opponent. I doubt he will move Pacquiao around to fit with Marquez. Could be that Pacquiao has now outgrown Marquez and he can't make the weight, but he's not there to read Marquez's mind. Don't sign the deal.

The usual jiberish I see. So it was ok for mayweather to fight marquez at ww? Or wasnt it? If it wasnt then why is it ok for manny to fight him there? And in the 18 months that have passed Marquez has had 2 fights at 135lb, clearly indicating that he wasnt comfy with the step up. For Diaz II he weighed in at 131lb. Manny stated this very week he is a natural 140lb fighter, so why force marquez into a fight with a 147lb limit? Marquez may be able to weigh in at 140 if he chooses, but if manny tips up at 145lb then thats an advantage gained on the scales, as usual. Never fails to amaze me the knots the likes of you and D4 will tie yourselves in to justify mannys actions.

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

According to numerous posts by yourself and D4 at the BBC forum it, evidently, was most definitely NOT all OK for Floyd to fight him at welter.

I don't see how Marquez having now had more fights at lightweight SOMEHOW helps him when it cones to fighting at welterweight. Oh that's right...it doesn't.

HumanWindmill wrote:

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

According to numerous posts by yourself and D4 at the BBC forum it, evidently, was most definitely NOT all OK for Floyd to fight him at welter.

Have it ever occurred to you that me and ABC could have different views on the matter. And ABC asked the question not stating his opinion on the matter.

D4thincarnation wrote:If you lot were so tragic this would be funny.

First all we here Pacquiao is ducking Mosley he should fight him?

Pacquiao signs to fight Shane, but are people happy, no. They say he should have signed to fight Marquez.

So theres is talk of Marquez fighting Pacquiao next, are the people happy, no yet again they have moved the goal post and now claim Berto is the top man and he should fight him.

It really is pathetic your excuses.

No - we're all pleased that Manny is fighting Marquez...as long as its at 140. Not 147.

Equally - if Manny had fought Mosley before Mosley arguably lost to Mora - fine. As it is - it looks like he's picking on a shot fighter.

Manny had a chance to become the greatest. At the moment he's throwing that chance away.

What a grade a twerp....Full of inconsistencies...lies and damned lies...

Forget ever being taken seriously pal..

As for Marquez I can think of 10 1 1 reasons for him to want to fight at no more than 140 max..

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

ArchBritishchris wrote:It was ok for Mayweather to fight Marquez at welterweight? At least Marquez has now spent longer at lightweight and has the experience of adding the weight. Its 18 months on from Marquez vs Mayweathers, that significant ageing time, so Marquez may be more able to bulk up. This is a fight Marquez has been chasing for a while, he evidently wants to do it. A number of fans have been in favour, but opinions are mixed in regards to the weight class.

According to numerous posts by yourself and D4 at the BBC forum it, evidently, was most definitely NOT all OK for Floyd to fight him at welter.

Have it ever occurred to you that me and ABC could have different views on the matter. And ABC asked the question not stating his opinion on the matter.

Well, there is always a first time, I suppose.

Of course, the fact that you should each offer almost identical views concerning the new safety measures as devised by Margarito's corner would make the possibility seem remote, but we can yet hope.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:As for Marquez I can think of 10 1 1 reasons for him to want to fight at no more than 140 max..

I love you got that in there.

I still disagree with your scoring - but I love you managed to slip it in anyway. Genius.

oxring wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:If you lot were so tragic this would be funny.

First all we here Pacquiao is ducking Mosley he should fight him?

Pacquiao signs to fight Shane, but are people happy, no. They say he should have signed to fight Marquez.

So theres is talk of Marquez fighting Pacquiao next, are the people happy, no yet again they have moved the goal post and now claim Berto is the top man and he should fight him.

It really is pathetic your excuses.

No - we're all pleased that Manny is fighting Marquez...as long as its at 140. Not 147.

Equally - if Manny had fought Mosley before Mosley arguably lost to Mora - fine. As it is - it looks like he's picking on a shot fighter.

Manny had a chance to become the greatest. At the moment he's throwing that chance away.

Is that why some posters are saying he should fight Berto and calling Marquez old.

You know if Pacquiao would have fought Mosley after Mayweather he would have received the criticisms as he is now.

But at the end of the day Manny has cleaned house at 147lbs, who was the last person to do that?

If he'd fought Mosley when Mosley first asked, instead of ducking Sugar Shane...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a grade a twerp....Full of inconsistencies...lies and damned lies...

Forget ever being taken seriously pal..

As for Marquez I can think of 10 1 1 reasons for him to want to fight at no more than 140 max..

Yet you and can't understand how it would not mater 1 iota 140/147 no difference.

It would make a huge difference, much in the same way Mayweather fighting him at Welterweight and not light welterweight made a difference.

After all Mayweather is the same size as Pacquiao

D4thincarnation wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a grade a twerp....Full of inconsistencies...lies and damned lies...

Forget ever being taken seriously pal..

As for Marquez I can think of 10 1 1 reasons for him to want to fight at no more than 140 max..

Yet you and can't understand how it would not mater 1 iota 140/147 no difference.

Makes no difference, but you can bet Team Stip will still want it at 147.

Nobody has a problem with the fight, they have a problem with it being at 147 if that turns out to be the case.But what most people have a massive problem with is the fact that D4 will try to justify it despite absolutely mullering Floyd for doing the same because on the back of the upcoming fight with Dorian it is becoming something of a theme and the inconsitency is as laughable as it is infuriating.

And again :

When one is in love, one always begins by deceiving one's self, and one always ends by deceiving others.

Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray 1891

With all his lies on here he probably looks like the guy at the end of Dorian Grey...as well.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:With all his lies on here he probably looks like the guy at the end of Dorian Grey...as well.

He is a bit partial to being ' liberal ' with the truth, for sure. But all's fair in Manny and war.

I don't want to see the fight. I'd rather Manny fought the likes of Berto or Bradley. He'll beat Marquez alot more comfortably than before.

WelshDevilRob wrote:I don't want to see the fight. I'd rather Manny fought the likes of Berto or Bradley. He'll beat Marquez alot more comfortably than before.

What do you think Manny would do to Bradley and Berto, they would be lucky if they lasted 6 rounds.

D4thincarnation wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:I don't want to see the fight. I'd rather Manny fought the likes of Berto or Bradley. He'll beat Marquez alot more comfortably than before.

What do you think Manny would do to Bradley and Berto, they would be lucky if they lasted 6 rounds.

Why doesn't he just retire already? He's run out of decent opponents, and he's possibly the single most boring boxer around when he's not fighting.

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:I don't want to see the fight. I'd rather Manny fought the likes of Berto or Bradley. He'll beat Marquez alot more comfortably than before.

What do you think Manny would do to Bradley and Berto, they would be lucky if they lasted 6 rounds.

Why doesn't he just retire already? He's run out of decent opponents, and he's possibly the single most boring boxer around when he's not fighting.

Soon as Pacquiao retires, Floyd will announce his comeback and call Pacquiao out.

Once he beats Mosley he would have beat all the welters that were ranked above him when he first moved up.

Nothing less for Pacquiao to accomplished he has beating all his rival or scared them away. People want to see the Marquez fight, so that the next viable fight for him, after that, there no one else. Bradley could put himself in contention if he beats Khan.

D4thincarnation wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:I don't want to see the fight. I'd rather Manny fought the likes of Berto or Bradley. He'll beat Marquez alot more comfortably than before.

What do you think Manny would do to Bradley and Berto, they would be lucky if they lasted 6 rounds.

Yes he would beat them. I jut think they are better opponents.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Once he beats Mosley he would have beat all the welters that were ranked above him when he first moved up.

Nothing less for Pacquiao to accomplished he has beating all his rival or scared them away. People want to see the Marquez fight, so that the next viable fight for him, after that, there no one else. Bradley could put himself in contention if he beats Khan.

People want to see the Marquez fight at 140, and if it happens a lot of people will be very happy with his choice (myself for one.) If its 147, then he gets exactly the same amount of credit as Mayweather for beating him (a fight you absolutely panned on old 606, if I remember correctly.)

Jeff summed it up perfectly; you dont half make a rod for your own back with these things. If you gave both Manny and Floyd credit for beating Mosely and Marquez (at 147, presuming this happens and presuming Pac wins) then fair enough; people could debate the value of these wins in a sensible manner. But your attempts to write off Floyds victories whilst praising Manny for taking on EXACTLY the same people at the same weights is very irritating.

Your attitude and complete bias does not make it possible to debate the relative merits of the two best boxers around at the moment, which a lot of people find very frustrating.

If Marquez fought Rios at 140lbs or 147lbs would it make a difference, no.

Why?

Because they are both the same size, just like Pacquiao.

Mayweather on the other is true welter and comes into the ring around 156lbs.

D4thincarnation wrote:If Marquez fought Rios at 140lbs or 147lbs would it make a difference, no.

Why?

Because they are both the same size, just like Pacquiao.

Mayweather on the other is true welter and comes into the ring around 156lbs.

Rios has nothing to do with this.

Roach has said Pacquiao is a welterweight now.

Stop moving the goalposts and making things up. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

Thanks for proving my point D4. Its pathological behaviour.

Has anybody seen the film "MISERY" where the writer's number 1 fan imprisons him, breaks his legs and keeps him locked up in a room after he has a car accident..

Manny wants to be careful where he goes driving next time he comes to Britain..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Has anybody seen the film "MISERY" where the writer's number 1 fan imprisons him, breaks his legs and keeps him locked up in a room after he has a car accident..

Manny wants to be careful where he goes driving next time he comes to Britain..

Bit 'single white female' you mean..?

oxring wrote:I think coxy would like to know the following D4:

How competitive was Marquez against Floyd - above 140lbs?

Was he able to get his shots off?

Was his timing there?

Did he have any speed or power?

Jeff and Windy are also curious. As am I.

You have not yet answered these questions - please do, I'd genuinely like your opinion

This is funny. No Mayweather fans were asking those questions after he beat Marquez. In fact, all I've heard from them was that it was another "masterclass" from Mayweather. And that JMM is the P4P#3, but conviently ignoring the fact that he earned that fighting in the lower weights and the 2-weightclass jump didn't matter---JMM=P4P#3

Now having said that, I believe Pac-JMM should be fought at 140. It is the best compromise for both. Above 140 and we'll see that slow and fat version of JMM again.

NoMasDinero wrote:

oxring wrote:I think coxy would like to know the following D4:

How competitive was Marquez against Floyd - above 140lbs?

Was he able to get his shots off?

Was his timing there?

Did he have any speed or power?

Jeff and Windy are also curious. As am I.

You have not yet answered these questions - please do, I'd genuinely like your opinion

This is funny. No Mayweather fans were asking those questions after he beat Marquez. In fact, all I've heard from them was that it was another "masterclass" from Mayweather. And that JMM is the P4P#3, but conviently ignoring the fact that he earned that fighting in the lower weights and the 2-weightclass jump didn't matter---JMM=P4P#3

Now having said that, I believe Pac-JMM should be fought at 140. It is the best compromise for both. Above 140 and we'll see that slow and fat version of JMM again.

I think most of the guys on here factor that into the equation-that JMM was fighting way out of his comfort zone. The reason they make the points you're talking about now is that someone is claiming there'd be no problem for a certain Filipino fighting JMM at WW, despite that same person having previously criticised Mr Mayweather for doing the same.

D4thincarnation wrote:If Marquez fought Rios at 140lbs or 147lbs would it make a difference, no.

Why?

Because they are both the same size, just like Pacquiao.

Mayweather on the other is true welter and comes into the ring around 156lbs.

What is that ring weight based on? I thought he weighed less than that at light middleweight against De la Hoya.

There are some points getting lost in the furore here.

The first point is Marquez. The apparently fat and slow Marquez from the Mayweather fight weighed in at 142 pounds. Its not like he came in at full blown welterweight. He was barely above the lightwelterweight limit. He could have come in at 140 if he wanted to. So this idea that hes being stripped of all his speed and force to pack on pounds isnt really valid. If you feel he cant carry speed or power up to 142 pounds then making the fight at 140 is not going to change a great deal. The bigger issue is what the limit allows his opponents to size up on him rather than how he himself is affected.

In this regard, the fight was supposed to be a catchweight at 144 with Mayweather. Mayweather essentially didnt bother with this and came in at almost the welterweight limit as he normally does for his welterweight fights. This deserves criticism as the point of making it 144 was to avoid Mayweather, a fighter known for coming in at the welter limit, sizing up too much on Marquez.

Contrast this to Pacquaio who has never come in at the welter limit even for his fight with Margarito. Marquez can safely assume that Pacquiao will weigh no more than 144 pounds and could weigh as little as 142. Paquiao will only outweigh him by a few pounds if Marquez opts to come in as light as possible.

Making the fight at 140 would be the fairest and remove the bickering over the effects of a couple of pounds but in reality is it going to change much? I dont think so. Marquez has been getting slower because hes getting older. Mayweather was an awful opponent stylewise to Marquez and was just the better fighter. Marquez looked average trying to force a fight against a quicker opponent. I dont think the outcome would have been remotely different a 140. If you look at Marquez fights against Diaz and Katsidas since he has looked older and slower full stop even at his more natural lightweight.

The bigger concern is that Marquez is just slowing down ad Pacquiao is red hot. At this point Pacquiao will hold nearly all the advantages regardless of the weight they fight as I think he will be too young, too fast, too strong for Marquez.

I expect the fight will be scheduled for 147 or else a catcheight like 144 similar to Mayweather - to give the illusion of comprimise (when the reality is 144 and 147 mean the same thing in this fight). Pacquiao will look for any advantage he cn get however small. But how big a difference will this be in all honesty?

If the fight does go ahead for 147 and Marquez weighs in at 141 and Pacquiao at 147 then I would concede its been stacked badly but the more likely scenario is that Marquez will be 141 and Pacquiao 143 or something. If this is the case are people going to raise hell over a couple of pounds as being the critical factor?

Manny isn't a natural 147 and didn't they weigh the same for their last fights? It won't be a massacre.

Spot on Manos!

Personally I think it has to be at 140 for the simple reason that 147 gives manny to much of a psychological edge. Bearing in mind Marquez weighed in at 131lb for Diaz II, he might look to weigh say 138lb for a lww fight with manny. If he is training knowing manny can only outweigh him by 2lb it gives him a different mental perspective to worrying about selling himself short on the scales if manny comes in at 145lb.

Marquez is a lightweight moving up. Manny himself has stated this week he is a natural 140lb fighter. So surely it is logical to fight at 140lbs? If manny wants to defend his welterweight title have it at a 141lb catchweight - team pac have no problem making others come down in weight for title fights, why can't they do it for Marquez? Or do stipulations only work one way for them?

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Personally I think it has to be at 140 for the simple reason that 147 gives manny to much of a psychological edge. Bearing in mind Marquez weighed in at 131lb for Diaz II, he might look to weigh say 138lb for a lww fight with manny. If he is training knowing manny can only outweigh him by 2lb it gives him a different mental perspective to worrying about selling himself short on the scales if manny comes in at 145lb.

Marquez is a lightweight moving up. Manny himself has stated this week he is a natural 140lb fighter. So surely it is logical to fight at 140lbs? If manny wants to defend his welterweight title have it at a 141lb catchweight - team pac have no problem making others come down in weight for title fights, why can't they do it for Marquez? Or do stipulations only work one way for them?

That's pretty much spot on. It's the same thing as with the Cotto fight. Most people agree that the 145lb catchweight didn't make a difference, and that the result would have been the same had the fight been at full 147. The point is; if that's the case, then why have the stipulation? With Marquez the exact same question arises.

Marquez is declining vivibly for me, despite a superb career.

I can certainly see him being stopped in this one; as Pacquiao is still at or close to his peak.

Well the flip side is that Pacquaio is a welterweight champion and the number 1 fighter in the world. People want him to forfeit all his leverage and hand over the advantage to Marquez?

Marquez is the guy at the lower weight, with the lower draw and the lower ranking. Hes the one going to have to make the sacrifices if he wants the shot.

Marquez to my knowledge has never come in at 131 for a lightweight fight. He usually comes in about a pound under.

The extra few pounds shouldnt make much of a difference unless Pacquiao intends on bulking up further and significantly outweighing Marquez with the intention of overpowering him. To date Pacquiao has never weighed in at close to the 147 limit though.