England v SA. 4th ODI, Lords

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Now that England have the number one position back, SA will be keen to beat them at Lords to regain the #1 spot and England will be desperate to consolidate the #1. This has the makings of a very good match.

I cant see any team making any changes from the third ODI.

England 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Ian Bell, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Ravi Bopara, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 7 Samit Patel, 8 James Tredwell, 9 Jade Dernbach, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steve Finn.

South Africa 1 Graeme Smith, 2 Hashim Amla, 3 JP Duminy, 4 Dean Elgar, 5 AB de Villiers (capt, wk), 6 Faf du Plessis, 7 Wayne Parnell, 8 Robin Peterson, 9 Dale Steyn, 10 Morne Morkel, 11 Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

I think that we are all cautious about mentioning KP Skyeman

This could be the perfect situation for Bopara to regain some confidence in his batting.

eirebilly wrote:Yes i said Generally, it was overzealous of me (retracted it). Shoot me. Never did i say that Trott should be dropped nor did i say that Trotts forces other batsmen out (as PSW said). I simply had an opinion about Trotts SR.

I should have apologised to Hibbz, PSW and CJ immediately for my opinions, obviously if i dont share their opinions then i am a shocker.

Jeez man are you always this precious? No need to apologise but your opinion as stated and the one we disagreed with was that generally it puts pressure on other batsmen and that many times it has cost England.

If you'd said your current position that on occasion Trott doesn't score as quickly as he might and that you wouldn't fancy him regularly in a 300+ run chase then we'd have all been in agreement

On current form, could we use Ravi as a bowling allrounder in India?

eirebilly wrote:I think that we are all cautious about mentioning KP Skyeman

This could be the perfect situation for Bopara to regain some confidence in his batting.

Yep, i should have put Morgan or Trott.

FFS!

skyeman wrote:

eirebilly wrote:I think that we are all cautious about mentioning KP Skyeman

This could be the perfect situation for Bopara to regain some confidence in his batting.

Yep, i should have put Morgan or Trott.

And of course changed the SA to Irish

Hibbz wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Yes i said Generally, it was overzealous of me (retracted it). Shoot me. Never did i say that Trott should be dropped nor did i say that Trotts forces other batsmen out (as PSW said). I simply had an opinion about Trotts SR.

I should have apologised to Hibbz, PSW and CJ immediately for my opinions, obviously if i dont share their opinions then i am a shocker.

Jeez man are you always this precious? No need to apologise but your opinion as stated and the one we disagreed with was that generally it puts pressure on other batsmen and that many times it has cost England.

If you'd said your current position that on occasion Trott doesn't score as quickly as he might and that you wouldn't fancy him regularly in a 300+ run chase then we'd have all been in agreement

Please quote me directly where i said this. I never said that he has cost England many times... Sick of this, i make one passing comment and then PSW has me dropping Trott, sayin the he forces other batsmen out and you saying that I have said that Trott costs England matches many times.

Call me precious all you like but i suggest you read what was written before jumping on my opinions.

Bops is a prodder. Amongst other things. Jeez is batting form sucks.

Bopara falls, giving SA a sniff of a chance. England tail is fragile....

Should be OK if Bell and Morgan put on another 30 - 40 at least in reasonable time....

Dammit, i knew as soon as i said that this could be the perfect opportunity for Bopara, his days would be numbered

Let's just move him down a bit

I would love to see the rain stay at bay and for Bell to get a ton

Come on Belly, century No 3 coming up.

ChequeredJersey wrote:Let's just move him down a bit

I dunno, if Trott's injured and misses the final ODI, Bopara will probably bat at 3.

chrisss wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:Let's just move him down a bit

I dunno, if Trott's injured and misses the final ODI, Bopara will probably bat at 3.

Not sure I'd be happy with that...

Cook and Bops batting this series has been woeful, at least ones got his bowling as a plus.

eirebilly wrote:

Hibbz wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

Hibbz wrote:

eirebilly wrote:I do apologise for having an opinion on this. Obviously i have touched some nerves.

No billy, you're just wrong to say Trott generally puts pressure on the other batsmen to score quickly.

Ok, generally was probably the wrong word but it has happened on many occasions, has it not?

Well many could mean three times or it could mean twenty but I'd be staggered if Trott's strike rate has cost England more than his ability to stay in has profited them.

Well his slow scoring has at times led to many a partner having to force the issue to keep a RRR under control and have gotton out for it?

Have you never seen this?

I know it's boring but I'm unpleasantly competitive, not a nice person and always need to have the last word.

Warne's just tweeted: "Seriously @SkyCricket please pass on to Nass that his boy Bopara is a good 1st class player & a nice guy But not an international cricketer"

That might very well be true, but I think it's hilarious that Warne said it considering Bopara averaged 91 against Aus

chrisss wrote:Warne's just tweeted: "Seriously @SkyCricket please pass on to Nass that his boy Bopara is a good 1st class player & a nice guy But not an international cricketer"

That might very well be true, but I think it's hilarious that Warne said it considering Bopara averaged 91 against Aus

He also tweeted that the nut had good morals

Hibbz wrote:
Well his slow scoring has at times led to many a partner having to force the issue to keep a RRR under control and have gotton out for it?[/b]

Have you never seen this?

I know it's boring but I'm unpleasantly competitive, not a nice person and always need to have the last word.

Thats the best you have? I stand by that statement, now please directly quote me where i have said that Trott has cost England matches on many occasions like you said i did?
That cant be too difficult can it, i mean you were so sure i said that now please directly quote me.

Eng making heavy weather of this again.

Never fear while Mogs is in Skyeman

Just 14 more for Bell.

eirebilly wrote:Never fear while Mogs is in Skyeman

Just 14 more for Bell.

Not worried though. It's just that i want to start dinner.

England looking sluggish. Could do with a couple of boundaries....

skyeman wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Never fear while Mogs is in Skyeman

Just 14 more for Bell.

Not worried though. It's just that i want to start dinner.

Get herself to make you some

eirebilly wrote:

skyeman wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Never fear while Mogs is in Skyeman

Just 14 more for Bell.

Not worried though. It's just that i want to start dinner.

Get herself to make you some

Frig that, i want something edible.

That bad

eirebilly wrote:That bad

Bad!!

My wife is such a lousey cook that if I leave dental floss in the
kitchen, the roaches hang themselves.

Bell caught on 88, time to get nervous? Still 35 off of 40 balls required.

Jaysus, thats bad mate.

Poor Bell

Awwwww Belly.

Gah. Kieswetter will be fine with the rate though. He'll just get out

Should be a canter, but r/r up to 5.57. Stop pishing about.

Getting a bit close now

Boundary for Kieswetter, that makes the score look a lot better.

eirebilly wrote:

Hibbz wrote:
Well his slow scoring has at times led to many a partner having to force the issue to keep a RRR under control and have gotton out for it?[/b]

Have you never seen this?

I know it's boring but I'm unpleasantly competitive, not a nice person and always need to have the last word.

Thats the best you have? I stand by that statement, now please directly quote me where i have said that Trott has cost England matches on many occasions like you said i did?
That cant be too difficult can it, i mean you were so sure i said that now please directly quote me.

The fact that you've now messed up the chain of quotes (fat fingers?) by posting this as though I posted to suggest that Trott has got many partners out with his slow strike rate makes it very difficult but if you can remember that it was you that posted that all I can suggest is that causing your partner to get out obviously costs England.

Hell all I can say is that Hibbz generally wins his debates.

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Bopara falls, giving SA a sniff of a chance. England tail is fragile....

Should be OK if Bell and Morgan put on another 30 - 40 at least in reasonable time....

I didn't mean someone to get out the moment the partnership reached 30!

Still not worried

Not with Eoin "Mortal Kombat" Morgan at the crease (let's see if that sticks )

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Bopara falls, giving SA a sniff of a chance. England tail is fragile....

Should be OK if Bell and Morgan put on another 30 - 40 at least in reasonable time....

I didn't mean someone to get out the moment the partnership reached 30!

Jinx or a voyeur, you decide

So i have fat fingers now eh Hibbz.

I really cant be bothered with you. You resort to pathetic little digs instead of backing up your claim. If i never said that he cost England matches then i didnt say that and now you are trying to claim that i said that indirectly.

I will let you respond to this with your last comment and will no longer respond to you as it really isnt worth anymore of my time.

Hibbz wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

Hibbz wrote:
Well his slow scoring has at times led to many a partner having to force the issue to keep a RRR under control and have gotton out for it?[/b]

Have you never seen this?

I know it's boring but I'm unpleasantly competitive, not a nice person and always need to have the last word.

Thats the best you have? I stand by that statement, now please directly quote me where i have said that Trott has cost England matches on many occasions like you said i did?
That cant be too difficult can it, i mean you were so sure i said that now please directly quote me.

The fact that you've now messed up the chain of quotes (fat fingers?) by posting this as though I posted to suggest that Trott has got many partners out with his slow strike rate makes it very difficult but if you can remember that it was you that posted that all I can suggest is that causing your partner to get out obviously costs England.

Hell all I can say is that Hibbz generally wins his debates.

Are you the new KP.

Another boundary and England are 4 runs closer to home.

Mogs is one hell of a ODI finisher isnt he

Woaahhh Morgan ty, i can start dinner soon.

Feeling happy now Skyeman

Kieswetter getting in on it as well

3 more boundaries - 2 for Morgan - and England are a mere 10 runs away. En-ger-land, En-ger-land, En-ger-land...

What a finish from Kieswetter