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Springbok team announced for Perth.
Courtesy of Supersport.
One smart move by Meyer is to put Pienaar at nine and Hougaard at 11, Hougaard will be more willing to look for work and his positional play will be an improvement on Mvovo's.
Not surprised Bekker is out, he had a poor game in Mendoza and his line out work was poor.
Hopefully Goosen and Lambie get at least 20 minutes to gain some match fitness and especially Goosen needs a bit of experience.
Still don't like de Villiers and Kirchner though.
South African No 8 Duane Vermeulen will make his test debut in Saturday's Rugby Championship clash with Australia in Perth after being named in the Springbok side on Wednesday.
Under-fire coach Heyneke Meyer has brought in three new players and made two positional changes to the side that were held to a 16-16 draw in Argentina in their last outing.
In addition to the powerful Vermeulen, Meyer has named Ruan Pienaar at scrumhalf, while Juandre Kruger replaces the dropped Andries Bekker at lock.
Pacy back Francois Hougaard goes out to the wing to allow Pienaar to start at halfback, while Willem Alberts moves to flanker to make room for Vermeulen at the back of the scrum.
With Morne Steyn retaining the flyhalf spot and no specialist openside flanker in the starting line-up, there is no indication the Springboks will change their tactics of trying to outmuscle the opposition up front and kick for territory.
Meyer has given himself options on the bench, however, where 20-year-old livewire flyhalf Johan Goosen will be itching to get on to the pitch for his test debut.
Ball-poaching flanker Francois Louw was also named among the replacements having been called up from English club Bath for the tour of Australia and New Zealand.
The Springboks will be looking to end a run of four defeats against Australia, which includes the quarterfinal loss at last year's World Cup in New Zealand.
TEAM: 15-Zane Kirchner, 14-Bryan Habana, 13-Jean de Villiers, 12-Francois Steyn, 11-Francois Hougaard, 10-Morne Steyn, 9-Ruan Pienaar, 8-Duane Vermeulen, 7-Willem Alberts, 6-Marcell Coetzee, 5-Juandre Kruger, 4-Eben Etzebeth, 3-Jannie du Plessis, 2-Adriaan Strauss, 1-Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16-Tiaan Liebenberg, 17-Pat Cilliers, 18-Flip van der Merwe, 19-Francois Louw, 20-Johan Goosen, 21
One smart move by Meyer is to put Pienaar at nine and Hougaard at 11, Hougaard will be more willing to look for work and his positional play will be an improvement on Mvovo's.
Not surprised Bekker is out, he had a poor game in Mendoza and his line out work was poor.
Hopefully Goosen and Lambie get at least 20 minutes to gain some match fitness and especially Goosen needs a bit of experience.
Still don't like de Villiers and Kirchner though.
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Well he's getting there, isn't he. Lambie needs to find some form and take Kirchner out of the running. JP needs to come back from injury and take the captaincy. Goosen needs to be properly match fit and get his best shot. Hougaard on the wing is better than at halfback and the right decisions seem to be being made in the pack.
Even though my picks are for Australia I secretly hope SA win so that Meyer is rewarded a little for changing slightly the makeup of the team. A loss in Perth and Dunedin and I'd hate to see how quickly he reverts to types and floods in the Bulls and Stormers players.
Even though my picks are for Australia I secretly hope SA win so that Meyer is rewarded a little for changing slightly the makeup of the team. A loss in Perth and Dunedin and I'd hate to see how quickly he reverts to types and floods in the Bulls and Stormers players.
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Yes, it is important for the sake of SA rugby that these little changes bare fruit, if they don't, as you rightly say, he will revert to type and that won't be good for SA rugby.
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Its a tough ask with players like bekker and hougard who were touted amongst the best of the likely permanent replcements...both to fail to realise their potential. SA have yet to bring through genuine world class players other than perhaps Alberts.
Goosen just isn't ready. He's been off for several months and how is a few cheetahs matches followed by a layoff then a game and a half currie cup qualify him for a bench pos against Oz? He hasn't played anything remotely near this level and is a confidence player. Anyway...hope he goes well.
I see Hoopers already been given the role of pococks pilfering play from the wcup match last year and given SA again have no 7 that's an area they'll have to watch. Just glad bruce isn't reffing this one as it does have a sense of deja vu in this match.
Goosen just isn't ready. He's been off for several months and how is a few cheetahs matches followed by a layoff then a game and a half currie cup qualify him for a bench pos against Oz? He hasn't played anything remotely near this level and is a confidence player. Anyway...hope he goes well.
I see Hoopers already been given the role of pococks pilfering play from the wcup match last year and given SA again have no 7 that's an area they'll have to watch. Just glad bruce isn't reffing this one as it does have a sense of deja vu in this match.
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Well the forwards will have to up their intensity, if we once again don't commit numbers to the ruck then Meyer must take his jacket and make like a tree.
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Kia: I agree that Lambie needs to find some form (he didn't look good at all in the S15 final) but he's never going to find form sitting on the bench week in / week out. I wish Meyer would either use him, or release him to the Sharks so that he can get some game time.
Otherwise, some pleasing changes to the team. I agree with Biltong, that JdV and M. Steyn also need to go. I'd even prefer to see the likes of Whitehead or Jordaan in ahead of JdV: at least they're exciting! But I think Meyer has painted himself into a corner having JdV as captain. It's a bit difficult to get rid of him. Maybe Meyer didn't realise how ordinary JdV would look without Fourie by his side (To be honest I didn't either!)
Otherwise, some pleasing changes to the team. I agree with Biltong, that JdV and M. Steyn also need to go. I'd even prefer to see the likes of Whitehead or Jordaan in ahead of JdV: at least they're exciting! But I think Meyer has painted himself into a corner having JdV as captain. It's a bit difficult to get rid of him. Maybe Meyer didn't realise how ordinary JdV would look without Fourie by his side (To be honest I didn't either!)
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I think it shows the importance of having a specialist 13.
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MrFishpaste, in my view J de Villiers has always looked good in defence and he is a strong ball carrier, his biggest problem is he has zero vision, and because Steyn and Hougaard have been performing so poorly, the shortcomings of de Villiers have been accentuated.
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I think that actually looks like quite a good Boks squad. Really interested to see how Duane Vermeulen gets on, and I really like the look of that backrow. Tough as nails. Hopefully Goosen gets some significant game time.
Should be a great game!
Should be a great game!
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Not sure if it will work, but here is Meyer's interview on his selections for the game.
Interview
Interview
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Mentions about five great players in that interview.
One thing having players with no vision but a coach as well doesn't help.
Don't like this at all for the boks. The breakdowns where they were outdplayed by argie and oz will zero in there...hooper looked good against the ABs I thought and if they don't watch him could be in trouble.
Defensively this will be SAs toughest this year and a steyn steyn jdv inside three combined with slower loosies could be stretched. Pienaars presence in the middle of that lot will be crucial. Hell have to marshall his forwards into positions or oz will expose the channels.
They have their problems as well but I just think the indivdual skills and pace is a ntch above this bok side.
One thing having players with no vision but a coach as well doesn't help.
Don't like this at all for the boks. The breakdowns where they were outdplayed by argie and oz will zero in there...hooper looked good against the ABs I thought and if they don't watch him could be in trouble.
Defensively this will be SAs toughest this year and a steyn steyn jdv inside three combined with slower loosies could be stretched. Pienaars presence in the middle of that lot will be crucial. Hell have to marshall his forwards into positions or oz will expose the channels.
They have their problems as well but I just think the indivdual skills and pace is a ntch above this bok side.
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Pienaar at 9 is possibly a good move - particularly on the kicking front. Steyn has been off radar to his normal accuracy levels. Pienaar is a very good kicker and sniper in a clinch match. Kruger was one of the more powerful and pact locks for Northampton a couple of seasons back with a great engine over 80 minutes.
Sould be interesting.
Sould be interesting.
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Alberts - Vermeulen - Coetzee
That is some back row. It could potetially be great.
That is some back row. It could potetially be great.
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Looks clearly to be a brains versus bulk match. Meyer just continually goes for muscle rather than guile, skill, vision or pace. Oz will look to out cheek, out strip, do anything to get these boys falling over themselves. Even a tight playing argie broke up the bok pack through the middle and oz are about as opposite to anything boks have faced this year in the very staunch england argie sides.
Can the boks handle the oz pace, variation, cheekiness.......swagger!
Can the boks handle the oz pace, variation, cheekiness.......swagger!
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Rory_Gallagher wrote:Alberts - Vermeulen - Coetzee
That is some back row. It could potetially be great.
Yes but is...it...fast enough?
Somehow I doubt it.
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Haven't seen much swagger from the Wallabies this year.Taylorman wrote:Looks clearly to be a brains versus bulk match. Meyer just continually goes for muscle rather than guile, skill, vision or pace. Oz will look to out cheek, out strip, do anything to get these boys falling over themselves. Even a tight playing argie broke up the bok pack through the middle and oz are about as opposite to anything boks have faced this year in the very staunch england argie sides.
Can the boks handle the oz pace, variation, cheekiness.......swagger!
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Nope we havnt. Agree biltong. Its just a case of when as its certainly within them and like SA the swagger stars are either injured or out of form.
Deans knows this and so do the players. SA have the type of game to bring it out in with the speed off a touch having been up against the more mobile welsh and nz sides. SA will also notice the up in pace and will be stretched at the breakdown as they were last year.
Oz also showed enough last week to suggest they won't be overpowered in any big way and at home will improve from that outing with more space available.
Agree if they're flat they'll get trounced but just don't think they will be.
For me this is straight out smarts against brawn.
Deans knows this and so do the players. SA have the type of game to bring it out in with the speed off a touch having been up against the more mobile welsh and nz sides. SA will also notice the up in pace and will be stretched at the breakdown as they were last year.
Oz also showed enough last week to suggest they won't be overpowered in any big way and at home will improve from that outing with more space available.
Agree if they're flat they'll get trounced but just don't think they will be.
For me this is straight out smarts against brawn.
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I think you'll find a bit more brains in that SA team than you expect.
Firstly from a set piece point of view we'll be much better.
Having Kruger and Vermeulen there and Louw, v d Merwe and Liebenberg on the bench will undoubtedly improve our work at the breakdowns as well.
Bekker spends too little time in the breakdown and too much time out wide, whereas Kruger is the opposite.
Pienaar will clear the rucks more accurately and quicker, the rest of the backline may be predictable but Hougaard will look for a lot more work and be more unpredictable.
Not long now and Lambie and Goosen will make their way in, and JP isn't far off.
Habana is still a danger man.
Firstly from a set piece point of view we'll be much better.
Having Kruger and Vermeulen there and Louw, v d Merwe and Liebenberg on the bench will undoubtedly improve our work at the breakdowns as well.
Bekker spends too little time in the breakdown and too much time out wide, whereas Kruger is the opposite.
Pienaar will clear the rucks more accurately and quicker, the rest of the backline may be predictable but Hougaard will look for a lot more work and be more unpredictable.
Not long now and Lambie and Goosen will make their way in, and JP isn't far off.
Habana is still a danger man.
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Taylorman wrote:Rory_Gallagher wrote:Alberts - Vermeulen - Coetzee
That is some back row. It could potetially be great.
Yes but is...it...fast enough?
Somehow I doubt it.
Well I would doubt it is any slower than the NZ back row. McCaw is still sublime despite his total lack of speed. For SA, Coetzee has real pace, and the other two are no slouches, despite their huge bulk.
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Well at this level how would we know? One has played 11 tests, one 5 and one none.
This is experimental at best, and is a forward trio 'based' on a gameplan thats specifically designed to dominate and intimidate...really?...go figure...
Even Pienaar is back in the picture after being dubbed poor two years ago- the player warming the bench until...'F Du Preez got back'
So now with that now past history and Hougaard failing to fire Pienaars 'improved' rugby experience in the NH club scene is now the 'flavour of the month'.
No problem with patching the holes...its admiting theyre there that never seems to surface. Meyer at best must be hoping this side clicks... 'somehow'...because the names, experience, tactics...sure don't inspire.
This is experimental at best, and is a forward trio 'based' on a gameplan thats specifically designed to dominate and intimidate...really?...go figure...
Even Pienaar is back in the picture after being dubbed poor two years ago- the player warming the bench until...'F Du Preez got back'
So now with that now past history and Hougaard failing to fire Pienaars 'improved' rugby experience in the NH club scene is now the 'flavour of the month'.
No problem with patching the holes...its admiting theyre there that never seems to surface. Meyer at best must be hoping this side clicks... 'somehow'...because the names, experience, tactics...sure don't inspire.
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...and I'll be the first on here to admit I was wrong if they win ...just can't see it.
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Taylorman wrote:Well at this level how would we know? One has played 11 tests, one 5 and one none.
This is experimental at best, and is a forward trio 'based' on a gameplan thats specifically designed to dominate and intimidate...really?...go figure...
Not like we have much choice, do we?
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How do you know South Africans are fedup?
When they start joking about the situation.
Dear Mr Badger
Please help. How do I convince my coach to give me some game time? We’ve played two big games this year and EVERYONE got a chance, except me. All the pundits reckon I’ve got loads of skills, especially on attack, but all I’m good for is keeping the bench warm while this Sideshow Bob look-a-like starts. I think it’s because I’m too exciting. We’re supposed to be bucks (that’s what our team is called) but all this coach cares about is buffalos. The other day I did a side step in training and he shouted: “Hey, what’s that blerrie flash stuff? Run straight, boet. Either smash the oke, or kick it. Actually, never mind. Just kick it.” I’m starting to get the feeling I’m like a fish out of water in this team. Like a big fish, maybe even a Shark. When will the sacrificial lamb be given a chance?
P.L, Durban via Mendoza
The Badger says…: Wow, that sounds tough. But you shouldn’t be surprised, son. I think the first mistake you made was pitching up at the first day of training in that black and white tracksuit. I know coaches are supposed to be colourblind, but have you considered wearing a blue shirt every now and then? Dreadlocks are back in fashion too, but only if you want to play full-back. If you want to play to play fly-half do not, I repeat, do NOT, attack the gain-line with ball in hand, that’ll just upset him even more. When in doubt, just hoof it as high as you can, then it becomes someone else’s problem. If all else fails, maybe try buying him a gift. I hear you can get Steve Hofmeyer CDs for a steal these days. Just remember, “‘n blou bul tjank nie by die pale nie.”
When they start joking about the situation.
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