Sergio Martinez v Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. 24/7 Episode 2

TheMackemMawler wrote:A southpaw slips in both directions, in the same way as an orthodox boxer does. Slips are either inside or outside of the punch, the counter depends on the slip. For example, if a soupaw slip's inside an orthodox jab (as you put it to his left) he slips onto a straight right power shot. If he slips inside an orthodox right or outside an orthodox jab (as you would say...to his right) he slips into a left hook. If any boxer slips mostly in one direction, he will be found out, and from that point on he is on the road to destruction. Hence southpaws slip in both directions too.

When a lefty fights a righty, what tends to happen, is the southpaw will move to his right and the orthodox will move to his left. Both are trying to avoid the big rear hand. If a southpaw slips left he slips in the direction of a right hand.

An orthodox fighter when jabbing should attempt to get his front foot/body on the outside (or left) of the southpaw front foot. He does this so that he can jab over the southpaw lead hand (so that the southpaw can't parry it) move away from the left power shot and make it easier to stop the southpaw jab. By throwing a lead left hook (why does it have to be telegraphed? it's easy not to telegraph it? If you can't help telegraph it then feint a right hand in attempt to make him slip inside onto a left hook. However, it's easy to throw a jab and turn it into a long left hook or just throw a hook off the jab), anyway i was saying, by throwing a lead left hook the orthodox boxer negates the need to step left to see the opening because the angle of the left hook finds the gap between the southpaw's lead right and his chin without the need to move the feet (though its better to do both, move the feet and throw the hook).

Perhaps the best way to justify the use of a left hook against a southpaw is.........simply slip outside the southpaw jab (to your left) .... opening up a powerful left hook counter to either body or head left hook (choice is yours).

I realise the way i right may make it a little hard to visualise, but i hope not.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:A southpaw slips in both directions, in the same way as an orthodox boxer does. Slips are either inside or outside of the punch, the counter depends on the slip. For example, if a soupaw slip's inside an orthodox jab (as you put it to his left) he slips onto a straight right power shot. If he slips inside an orthodox right or outside an orthodox jab (as you would say...to his right) he slips into a left hook. If any boxer slips mostly in one direction, he will be found out, and from that point on he is on the road to destruction. Hence southpaws slip in both directions too.

When a lefty fights a righty, what tends to happen, is the southpaw will move to his right and the orthodox will move to his left. Both are trying to avoid the big rear hand. If a southpaw slips left he slips in the direction of a right hand.

An orthodox fighter when jabbing should attempt to get his front foot/body on the outside (or left) of the southpaw front foot. He does this so that he can jab over the southpaw lead hand (so that the southpaw can't parry it) move away from the left power shot and make it easier to stop the southpaw jab. By throwing a lead left hook (why does it have to be telegraphed? it's easy not to telegraph it? If you can't help telegraph it then feint a right hand in attempt to make him slip inside onto a left hook. However, it's easy to throw a jab and turn it into a long left hook or just throw a hook off the jab), anyway i was saying, by throwing a lead left hook the orthodox boxer negates the need to step left to see the opening because the angle of the left hook finds the gap between the southpaw's lead right and his chin without the need to move the feet (though its better to do both, move the feet and throw the hook).

Perhaps the best way to justify the use of a left hook against a southpaw is.........simply slip outside the southpaw jab (to your left) .... opening up a powerful left hook counter to either body or head left hook (choice is yours).

I realise the way i right may make it a little hard to visualise, but i hope not.

I understand your point of view and I know it can be a good punch to use like ward showed, although he is one of the most technically gifted fighters around today and throws most shots brilliantly, but I said that it isn't as effective, not ineffective, vs an elusive southpaw like Martinez

I know boxers slip both ways, I meant that they feel more comfortable slipping left and while it plays into the right lead it can also pull them out of range as the right is further away. When a fighter purely moves on reflex they will move to their favourite side as they are generally more comfortable. The telegraphed hook I was referring to Chavez in particular as he doesnt feint. If you lead with the hook and it lands I feel it won't do as much damage as they are moving from it.

Also, if the orthodox fighter doesn't get his foot on the outside and misses the left hook he can get off balance and walk onto the left cross. The left hook is a good weapon vs a southpaw if you are quick enough and at the end of a right cross

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