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Ospreys v Glasgow Warriors
The Liberty Stadium

Friday, 14/9/12 7:05PM

Referee: Leo Colgan (IRFU, 7th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Gwyn Morris, Alan Jenkins (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Dennis Jones (WRU)
TMO: Nigel Whitehouse (WRU)

Live TV Coverage on both BBCW and BBC ALBA


Ospreys and Glasgow both propping up the bottom of the Rabbo 12 after two rounds and both looking for their first win, and they meet head to head this Friday night.

Ospreys
15 Richard Fussell, 14 Hanno Dirksen, 13 Jonathan Spratt, 12 Ashley Beck, 11 Tom Grabham, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Rhys Webb, 1 Duncan Jones, 2 Richard Hibbard, 3 Aaron Jarvis, 4 Ian Gough, 5 Ian Evans, 6 George Stowers, 7 Justin Tipuric (Capt), 8 Joe Bearman
REPLACEMENTS
16 Scott Baldwin, 17 Ryan Bevington, 18 Joe Rees, 19 Alun Wyn Jones, 20 Sam Lewis, 21 Kahn Fotuali'i, 22 Matthew Morgan, 23 Andrew Bishop

Glasgow
15. Peter Murchie, 14 Tommy Seymour, 13 Alex Dunbar, 12 Peter Horne, 11 DTH van der Merwe, 10 Duncan Weir, 9 Chris Cusiter, 1 Ryan Grant, 2 Dougie Hall, 3 Mike Cusack, 4 Tom Ryder, 5 Al Kellock (Capt)
6 John Barclay, 7 Chris Fusaro, 8 Ryan Wilson
REPLACEMENTS
16 Finlay Gillies, 17 George Hunter, 18 Gordon Reid, 19 James Eddie, 20 Angus Macdonald, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Ruaridh Jackson, 23 Sean Lamont

Aslong

But if a glasgow player had hit it he still shouldve retreived the ball, you never stop playing incase the ref doesnt call it. Rule number one he'd have been tought at U11's!!!

thebluesmancometh wrote:Aslong

Have to agree about the ref, he was ok apart from a few poor calls, but on average one of the better performances Ive seen.

Regarding the 'superior' glasgow side. 8 try scoring opportunities to 2 to the Ospreys, missed opportunities, poor calls.

The game was all about Ospreys mistakes and Glasgows hard work, they look like a team that had been beasted and were giving every ounce, but superior is certainly not the right word.

blues, I'm not sure where you get your 8 from, are you counting every time the Os got into the Glasgow 22?

thebluesmancometh wrote:Aslong

But if a glasgow player had hit it he still shouldve retreived the ball, you never stop playing incase the ref doesnt call it. Rule number one he'd have been tought at U11's!!!

Very true

maestegmafia wrote:Watching it I thought that he didn't communicate well and thus created a very difficult situation for the teams and captains.

Also that point where he told AW Jones that he would change the captain of the Ospreys team if AWJ continued to ask the referee questions regarding the anomaly that the scrum had become was farcical.

A referee can not change the captain of a team competing. That was clarified by the BBC commentators with Nigel Whitehouse the TMO during the match.

Not an excuse for the loss, the Ospreys as I have said above, were dyre, and need a good kick in the proverbial. But I felt the way the game was adjudicated undermined the occasion.

That said having watched Clancy, a referee I revere, during the ABs vs SA match this morning I thought Clancy had a good game. And that could well have been due to the standard and quality of the players making his life easier than Ospreys did for Mr Colgen last night.

Colgen is an inexperienced referee and it showed.

I thought that Tupuric was the Os captain? Yet for a period, every decision that the ref took was being questioned by AWJ - in the end, I think the ref had had enough of his belly-aching tbh. Aside from a couple of minor mistakes, the ref had a good game in my mind (and blues' too)

No, was annoyed by the game so run some of it through my software, non related opportunities, differing parts of the game, different parts of the field.

I had 3 opportunities for the O's with a double man overlap or more, (6 v 2 / 6 v 3 / 4 v 2)

Definitave try scoring opportunities, also the one where Biggar threw into touch I didn't count but couldve, 3 front rowers in defence v 10 6 and winger in O's 22, fullback and wing still opposing side of the pitch. That led to the Glasgow try.

My point is Glasgow deserved to win, but more so Ospreys deserved to lose, I'd say that Glasgow couldve been Zebre and the O's wouldve lost that game, as they did v Treviso.

thebluesmancometh wrote:No, was annoyed by the game so run some of it through my software, non related opportunities, differing parts of the game, different parts of the field.

I had 3 opportunities for the O's with a double man overlap or more, (6 v 2 / 6 v 3 / 4 v 2)

Definitave try scoring opportunities, also the one where Biggar threw into touch I didn't count but couldve, 3 front rowers in defence v 10 6 and winger in O's 22, fullback and wing still opposing side of the pitch. That led to the Glasgow try.

My point is Glasgow deserved to win, but more so Ospreys deserved to lose, I'd say that Glasgow couldve been Zebre and the O's wouldve lost that game, as they did v Treviso.

I suppose it partly depends on where those overlap opportunities occurred on the pitch - if in the middle of the field, then there's still a chance that cover would have come across, no?

Nah

both the 6v2 and 6v3 Glasgows 22 on the 15 on the right, tons of room, tons of chances and Biggar took the ball up on his own and played a pop to a forward up the middle on the second, both times resulting in a glasgow penalty.

The play in the O's 22 was out to the right, from the 15 on the left, again tons of room, FB and wing commited on the wrong side of the field.

But either way the O's were poo again, they deserved to lose as they did first two games, they made all the same mistakes again against different styles of playing opposition.

They'll be ok, but they need a gut wrencher soon, not skill or quality but a gut bister like Glasgow did to them almost.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Watching it I thought that he didn't communicate well and thus created a very difficult situation for the teams and captains.

Also that point where he told AW Jones that he would change the captain of the Ospreys team if AWJ continued to ask the referee questions regarding the anomaly that the scrum had become was farcical.

A referee can not change the captain of a team competing. That was clarified by the BBC commentators with Nigel Whitehouse the TMO during the match.

Not an excuse for the loss, the Ospreys as I have said above, were dyre, and need a good kick in the proverbial. But I felt the way the game was adjudicated undermined the occasion.

That said having watched Clancy, a referee I revere, during the ABs vs SA match this morning I thought Clancy had a good game. And that could well have been due to the standard and quality of the players making his life easier than Ospreys did for Mr Colgen last night.

Colgen is an inexperienced referee and it showed.

I thought that Tupuric was the Os captain? Yet for a period, every decision that the ref took was being questioned by AWJ - in the end, I think the ref had had enough of his belly-aching tbh. Aside from a couple of minor mistakes, the ref had a good game in my mind (and blues' too)

Tipuric was the starting Captain but AWJ is the club captain, when he entered the game at half time he was the designated captain.

Thought Glasgow thoroughly deserved the win. Hardly champagne Rugby but first five or six minutes aside, there looked only one winner.

Big win for us, had we lost it really could have almost ended our playoff chances, but we live to fight another day. Worrying the amount of injuries we have picked up, around 5 or 6 starters all now down with long(ish) term injuries.

Negatives first. Thought Weir had a better game, but he is still way behind where he should be and Jackson is going backwards. Centre is still a massive issue, but at least Dunbar and Horne could develop. As big a defender of Morrison as I have been, even at Club level it's time to move on.

Positives were the scrum and line-out were much better. Fusaro and Eddie both played well and Cusack was a beast in the scrum.

As for the "block" these happen in almost every high kick situation it's just not that often that the ball goes the length of the pitch for a try. Not saying that makes it right but to me makes it not that surprising that it was not called.

Well done Toonie!

Dorothy good post it is very worrying about Cus and the others has anyone heard if the Fijian has landed yet?

I agree about the 'block' some you win and some you loose.

I agree Weir did have a better game but I think sometimes the adrenalin is running so high he is not controlling some of his kicks, I'm sure this will improve his passing was solid and liked the few little chips etc he tried which brought a bit of spice to the game. Keep him at 1st choice as he will improve.

The movement from the backs was so much better which also helped our game and caused Osprey's lots of problems.

The defense was at it's best and Osprey's attack lacked ideas.

Hope this is a start to a more consistent level of performance where the confidence of the team will be at a level and we will be good to watch.

Hand on heart I was at the game and cannot blame the referee for the Ospreys defeat. The only 3 decisions I did not agree with was the penalty at the end when the scrum went down because I felt their player dropped it on the far side. The first Glasgow try was iffy because one of their players blocked and took out our winger off the ball but that was down to the Welsh lines man not the referee, and 1 other penalty when we were in their 22 where one of their players was clearly sealing off and we got penalised.

Facts are we were outclassed by a better team all over the pitch and thoroughly deserved that pasting. We were simply shocking and the Scarlets could put 60 points on us if we play like that next week.

Play like that next week and it could touch three figures not 60!!

I'm just watching the replay to analyse where we crap and something catches my eye.

At around the 16:50 mark in the game, a Glasgow back passes the ball out towards his winger and the reff calls it a forward pass.
According to the laws it wasn't actually a forward pass because he passed it backwards, but importantly momentum carried the ball forwards which isn't mentioned in the laws.

When will reff's actually learn this simple law.
If they were to whistle every time the ball "travelled" forward there wouldn't be much action in the game!

Belter of a result for Glasgow, absolutely needed to get a win, and that scoreline is impressive.

I wish DTH were Scottish....

What went wrong Osprey fans?

HERSH - I will let the Spreys Massive answer that question but in real money their young team were just gradually suffocated through a tight, relatively error free and professional Glasgow forwards performance.

Is there any word on Cus yet? Really concerned about that, especialy as Matawalu is most demonstrably Not Here Yet.

I have heard less chatter about Grant on the injury table this week so I am hoping that news of his death/injury has been greatly exaggerated.

gowales wrote:I'm just watching the replay to analyse where we crap and something catches my eye.

At around the 16:50 mark in the game, a Glasgow back passes the ball out towards his winger and the reff calls it a forward pass.
According to the laws it wasn't actually a forward pass because he passed it backwards, but importantly momentum carried the ball forwards which isn't mentioned in the laws.

When will reff's actually learn this simple law.
If they were to whistle every time the ball "travelled" forward there wouldn't be much action in the game!

It was correctly called a forward pass - there is no such thing as a momenteum pass - if the ball travels towards the opposing try line at all its forward. the ball was thrown forward. its a forward pass.

I don't know why this myth persists. Its very simple and straightforward. read up on the rules.

TJ wrote:

gowales wrote:I'm just watching the replay to analyse where we crap and something catches my eye.

At around the 16:50 mark in the game, a Glasgow back passes the ball out towards his winger and the reff calls it a forward pass.
According to the laws it wasn't actually a forward pass because he passed it backwards, but importantly momentum carried the ball forwards which isn't mentioned in the laws.

When will reff's actually learn this simple law.
If they were to whistle every time the ball "travelled" forward there wouldn't be much action in the game!

It was correctly called a forward pass - there is no such thing as a momenteum pass - if the ball travels towards the opposing try line at all its forward. the ball was thrown forward. its a forward pass.

I don't know why this myth persists. Its very simple and straightforward. read up on the rules.

From irb.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:As big a defender of Morrison as I have been, even at Club level it's time to move on.

I agree with this. He's been a good servant to Glasgow rugby, and could still have a role to play in the winter months, but he's no longer 1st XV material, and certainly no longer good enough or with the appropriate skill set to play international rugby.

Horne and Dunbar ought to be given a shot at 12, with S Lamont, Murchie and Hogg options at 13. DTH is just too good on the wing to be moved to centre, and Seymour has made a good start to the season.

Any sightings of Taylor Paris?

Ticket sales seem to be going well given the poor show that was the last home game. Rescued well in Swansea last Friday. Take it our new SH from Fiji will start with Pyrgos benched. Pyrgos was a lot better last week than v Scarlets but is still not near Cusiter or Gregor for that matter.

Is there any news on Cusiter's injury?

Manky-Flanker wrote:

TJ wrote:

gowales wrote:I'm just watching the replay to analyse where we crap and something catches my eye.

At around the 16:50 mark in the game, a Glasgow back passes the ball out towards his winger and the reff calls it a forward pass.
According to the laws it wasn't actually a forward pass because he passed it backwards, but importantly momentum carried the ball forwards which isn't mentioned in the laws.

When will reff's actually learn this simple law.
If they were to whistle every time the ball "travelled" forward there wouldn't be much action in the game!

It was correctly called a forward pass - there is no such thing as a momenteum pass - if the ball travels towards the opposing try line at all its forward. the ball was thrown forward. its a forward pass.

I don't know why this myth persists. Its very simple and straightforward. read up on the rules.

From irb.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

the law is quite clear. that video is interesting discussion but it is not the law.

DEFINITION: THROW FORWARD
A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/Law_12_EN.pdf

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Ticket sales seem to be going well given the poor show that was the last home game. Rescued well in Swansea last Friday. Take it our new SH from Fiji will start with Pyrgos benched. Pyrgos was a lot better last week than v Scarlets but is still not near Cusiter or Gregor for that matter.

Even if the Fijian arrives this week, I would be very surprised if he is picked. Pygros will start, bench will depend I would imagine on McConnell s fitness or Gregors availability. If both are not available then the Fijian might make the bench.

Still not heard about Cusiter. I am sure we will hear more today.

Anything on Cus yet Dot ?

TJ wrote:

Manky-Flanker wrote:

TJ wrote:

gowales wrote:I'm just watching the replay to analyse where we crap and something catches my eye.

At around the 16:50 mark in the game, a Glasgow back passes the ball out towards his winger and the reff calls it a forward pass.
According to the laws it wasn't actually a forward pass because he passed it backwards, but importantly momentum carried the ball forwards which isn't mentioned in the laws.

When will reff's actually learn this simple law.
If they were to whistle every time the ball "travelled" forward there wouldn't be much action in the game!

It was correctly called a forward pass - there is no such thing as a momenteum pass - if the ball travels towards the opposing try line at all its forward. the ball was thrown forward. its a forward pass.

I don't know why this myth persists. Its very simple and straightforward. read up on the rules.

From irb.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

the law is quite clear. that video is interesting discussion but it is not the law.

DEFINITION: THROW FORWARD
A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/Law_12_EN.pdf

I agree with TJ. Momentum passes are almost impossible to judge. It would be very easy for the IRB to release an official clarification of 'forward' but they haven't. Nor have they clarified the other way. But I don't believe any ref ever would allow a pass that started in field and ended up in the try-zone, regardless of momentum. If it isn't given in this area it shouldn't be given anywhere. Also, passing backwards at speed is a difficult skill. Allowing 'momentum' passes takes this away. Just my 2p worth.

Well I guess you have to accept that most running passes in the sport are unpunished forward passes.

It really depends on your interpretation of "towards the dead ball line", ie "passed/thrown towards" is different to "moved over the ground towards"

Anyway, this is off the thread topic. Maybe one for a new thread.

According to the Glasgow Twitter feed they'll have an injury update to post tomorrow I hope the wait is good rather than bad news

Cusiter's fitness is essential, not just for Glasgow but for Scotland as well. Neither can really do without him at the moment.