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Donnolly is on a different planet to Awful Wyn Jones, most overated player in the NH.

ha! only pulling your leg!

seriously though, what has happened to donnelly? injured? not making the highlanders team, no longer a sure thing for the WC squad, especially with the run that Hoeata is on, will struggle to get game time in. Will the 3Ns be too soon for Hoeata though?

Not sure, Donnolly has struggled a bit since Whitelock took his AB jersey and is living off an amazing 3N last year a little. Take him over Wyn Joke anytime though.

awj is ok - but only ok, what do people think of Erik Lund?? not daying he's in the top tiers but i would rate him higher than your louis deacons?

Blindside
1 Juan Smith
2 Jerome Kaino
3 Stephen Ferris
4 Tom Croft
5 Sean O’Brien
6 Rocky Elsom
7 Kelly Brown
8 Williem Alberts
9 Liam Messam
10 Scott Higginbottom

Openside
1 Richie McCaw
2 Heinrich Brussow
3 David Pocock
4 Schalk Burger
5 Thierry Dusatoir
6 John Barclay
7 Sam Warburton
8 Fulgence Ouedrago
9 George Smith
10 Julien Bonnaire

Purposely tried to put flankers in just one list even if they play both sides

Fly Half
1 Dan Carter
2 Quade Carter
3 Morne Steyn
4 Nick Evans
5 Juan Martin Hernandez
6 Francois Trinh Duc
7 Johnny Wilkinson
8 Jonathon Sexton
9 Stephen Donald
10 Ronan O’Gara
Not included players like Barnes + Giteau + Hook who I think are better elsewhere.

Inside Centre
1 Berrick Barnes
2 Yannick Jauzion
3 Ma’a Nonu
4 Sonny Bill Williams
5 Maxime Mermoz
6 Jamie Roberts
7 Selia Mapasua
8 Matt Giteau
9 Jean De Villiers
10 Francois Steyn
Once again not including players in two lists. So JOC would be high

Outside centre
1 Jaque Fourie
2 Conrad Smith
3 James Hook
4 Brian O’Driscoll
5 David Marty
6 Robbie Freaun
7 Jean De Jongh
8 Richard Kahui
9 Mike Tindall
10 Stirling Mortlock
Didn’t include AAC but he’d be near the top

Wingers
1 James O’Connor
2 Cory Jane
3 Drew Mitchell
4 Maxime Medard
5 Hosea Gear
6 Tommy Bowe
7 Chris Ashton
8 Sitiveni Sivivatu
9 Vincent Clerc
10 Bryan Habanna
11 Sean Maitland
12 Leigh Halfpenny
13 Digby Ioane
14 Zack Guildford
15 JP Pietersen
16 Mark Cueto
17 Lachie Turner
18 Julien Malzieu
19 Rene Ranger
20 Luke Fitzgerald

In all of them I probably missed someone

bonnaire in top 10 your having a laugh!! you might as well put Remy Martin next to him as he is as good.

blimey where did you get these lists??

Marty/Mermoz and no Bastareaud hilarious

mortlock?

Couldnt think of a better 7

Bastraund is fat and lazy

I give you fat but he's always been big and thats never stopped him playing a full 8- minutes at international level, I remeber watching his first game thinking that that fat git won't last 30 minutes!! I was proved wrong!

and he's' far from Lazy, he's like a mini CauCAu hahahha

mate seriously he's a problem for any defenders to deal with and a great finisher. I would have him rated highly.

hAHAHAHA THAT should say 80 minutes not 8

This season he's been shocking and ratings in this league reflect that. Mortlock has been playing well. Bast isnt in the French squad which I must admit with ML doesnt mean much as he is mental but he doesnt deserve to be.

Largely agree with most of that Fastlane

Would probably have Moody, Nyanga, Wallace and maybe Louw ahead of Bonnaire @ 7. Bonnaire @ 6, fine.

Roberts 6th? Think he is hugely overrated to be honest, would have him top 20.

Hook at 13 is a huge no no for me, so very surprised to see him at 3 and ABOVE BOD!!!!!!!

Good to see Alberts getting top 10 recognition, few of you were doubting him when i bought him

Count 9 Saracens players in those 6 lists Fastlane! Whoop

Don't like Louw, Moody, Nyanga or Wallace though.

I like Roberts

I didnt know which category to put Hook, hopefully he has a full season in one position. I think he is a quality player.

agree on roberts as he' snot performed since the lions for me where he was outstanding.

and as for leiveramont - don't get me started on him. Leaving out Basts might have something to do with the injury he had, he's only comoing back to form at end of season. And as for leaving out Chabal who has had an amazing season begs belife, also as he;s a talisman for htem and lifts the team! From the bench though obvioulsy!

yeah defo put moody up there with Louw, alberts as well

Bast + Chabal calls were right imo. Jauzion + Poitrenaud were wack calls

Not doubting hook's ability, i really rate him, but at 10 or 12. Real shame that

10. Jones
11. Williams
12. Hook
13. Shanklin
14. Roberts/Halfpenny
15. Byrne

never worked out, I would rate all of those players individually and as a team it has everything, with no one messed around in the wrong position

The future for Hook is ten though i think. Just need to sort out the centres. I don't mind Roberts at 12, not 13 and not convinced by Davies as yet

I don't think a Davies Roberts centre partnership is the answer

Bast on form should be in the squad and Chabal should certainly be there on merit for his last season and for his ability to lift the crowd and the team!

dont g=forget Henson if he hits any sort of form he will walk into the side.

InTheFastLane wrote:I don't think a Davies Roberts centre partnership is the answer

Agreed, but who else is there? Aren't most of best regions centres Lualua and King?

Yes they are. I think the fact that there is more young Welsh FH coming through might mean that Hook is sent back to 13.

Yeah, i guess so. Still think Jones has enough in the tank though, but guess he might sack it off after WC?

oh yeah defo Jones last WC

Just saw your Wales up top Bathite, one problem.

Shanklin has retired.

Yeah i know mate, that was part of my point, wanted that lineup to play together, reckon it would have been top quality!

It did, bar the exception that Hook was swapped with Henson.

Seeming that the original chat was about Hook, that was a pretty critical part, come on keep up!

That team with henson was successful, but the last three years have been mediocre, but in the team i suggested all those players would have been available and its a good lineup, but injury and messing positions around have wrecked it!

Alright keep your pants on!

I'm slowly catching up, had an exam this morning so I'm trying to unwind.

I agree that was probably the best lineup, but key issues and descisions were avoided or the wrong choice was made. And some key injuries.

Fluxy wrote:
I agree that was probably the best lineup, but key issues and descisions were avoided or the wrong choice was made. And some key injuries.

Glad we agree on that then!

Hope the exam went well fella!

Trying to unwind....on this game! I get too excited on here.

Yeahhh!

I've had better! Glad I'm dropping biology next year!

Yeah well you know pick up my spirits and all that lol

Calm down lads but I agree with 207 for once, Basteraud is fat and lazy. Fat people in centre positions don't do very well, all about skill and muscle take a look at Sonny B the definition of a strong athletic beast of a centre. Bast just has rolls rolling off his stomach.

blogs again your talking s h i t e - bast is a formidable opponent. Bannahan is a big guy playing center and doing well. Look at caucau - he's past it and fat, but has pace & skill and is still scoring and making amazing runs. . . . . when he's not dropping the ball.

an on form Bastareaud is a danger to any defence in the world. SCIENCE FACT!

Good efforts on the list fella. FH is off though...Evans above Cooper and Steyn. You can't be a top 3 FH if you can't kick your goals. Steyn is pretty average these days.

Wilko & Sexton above Tin Duck and Donald should never be in any top 10.

hahha tin duc - like it

I used to call him tin-duck, no-one else noticed

Blindside.

1.Juan Smith 11.Adam Thomson
2.Rocky Elsom 12.Liam Messam
3.Stephen Ferris 13.Dan Lydiate
4.Tom Croft 14.James Haskell
5.Jerome Kaino 15.Matt Hodgson
6.Scott Higginbotham 16.Chris Robshaw
7.Victor Vito 17.Yannick Nyanga
8.Sean O'Brien
9.Kelly Brown
10.Willem Alberts

Got 17 can't think of anymore, I know France and South Africa swap numbers around so can be confusing, but will leave it at that. Nyanga if we count him as a 6 he would be a bit higher up than 17th though.

1.Juan Smith
2.Rocky Elsom
3.Stephen Ferris
4.Tom Croft
5.Jerome Kaino
6.Scott Higginbotham
7.Victor Vito
8.Sean O'Brien
9.Kelly Brown
10.Willem Alberts
11.Adam Thomson
12.Liam Messam
13.Dan Lydiate
14.James Haskell
15.Matt Hodgson
16.Chris Robshaw
17.Yannick Nyanga

Set out better

Bast is good when on form and firing.

Blogs how is Kaino 5th
How is SOB behind Vito + Higginbottom :s

Openside

1.Richie McCaw
2.David Pocock
3.Heinrich Brussow
4.Thierry Dusautoir
5.Sam Warburton
6.Schalk Burger
7.Fulgence Ouedraego
8.John Barclay
9.Tom Wood
10.Julien Bonnaire
11.David Wallace
12.Matt Todd
13.George Smith
14.Francois Louw
15.Tanerau Latimer
16.Pedrie Wannenburg
17.Akapusi Qera
18.Deon Stegmann(Could be a 6 not sure)
19.Josh Turnbull
20.Beau Robinson

Couldn't think towards the end but that's a good enough list as any.

Prefer Higginbotham and Vito amazing pair of players, no offence to O'Brien who has been awesome just prefer Higginbotham and Vito.

Openside if you complain about George Smith position I don't rate him just to make myself clear.

Some shockers in there blogs. Todd at 12? Played what 15 game at most for crusaders and a better player then George Smith.

In fact most of that list is tosh, sorry

Fly Half.

1.Dan Carter
2.Morne Steyn
3.Nick Evans
4.Quade Cooper
5.Juan Martin Hernandez
6.Jonny Wilkinson
7.Jonathan Sexton
8.Toby Flood
9.Ronan O'Gara
10.Francois Trinh-Duc
11.Stephen Jones
12.Colin Slade
13.Stephen Donald
14.Patrick Lambie
15.Brock James
16.Peter Grant
17.David Skrela
18.Stephen Brett
19.Ian Humphreys
20.Elton Jantjies

That was much easier, nearly missed Tin-Duck off the list completely

So you do rate Wilkinson > Flood?

Like I said couldn't think towards the end, if you have better share it

I really like Todd even though he hasn't played many games, fitting into a Crusaders side in place of McCaw of all players, like a duck to water fits the bill for me. Don't rate George Smith.

Yes Wilkinson overall is a better player but I prefer Toby all the way, but I prefer Sexton over Toby weird but true.

RowleyFox wrote:
12.Matt Todd

Would have Beau Robinson and maybe Scott Waldrom ahead of him mate. 12th is ludicrous.

Thats not weird, Sexton is better.

Will do my inside and outside and wing soon.

This website is really slow today

Inside centre.

1.Yannick Jauzion
2.Berrick Barnes
3.Sonny Bill Williams
4.Maxime Mermoz
5.Ma'a Nonu
6.Matt Giteau
7.Luke McAlister
8.Seilala Mapasua
9.Jean De Villiers
10.Jamie Roberts
11.Juan De Jongh
12.Wynand Olivier
13.Gordan D'Arcy
14.Felipe Contepomi
15.Riki Flutey

15 there best I can do, no room for Hape

George Smith is rubbish mate, must have fluked his way to 100+ caps for the Wallabies, lucky fella!

Inside centre.

1.Yannick Jauzion
2.Berrick Barnes
3.Sonny Bill Williams
4.Maxime Mermoz
5.Ma'a Nonu
6.Matt Giteau
7.Luke McAlister
8.Seilala Mapasua
9.Jean De Villiers
10.Jamie Roberts
11.Juan De Jongh
12.Wynand Olivier
13.Gordan D'Arcy
14.Felipe Contepomi
15.Riki Flutey

15 there best I can do, no room for Hape