Wales vs Samoa KO 19:30 Fri 16th Nov - Match Thread/Build Up etc....

by HERSH Mon 12 Nov - 20:17

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WALES V Samoa

Venue: Millennium Stadium Cardiff Date: Friday, 16 November Kick-off: 19:30 GMT

Coverage: Live on BBC One Wales & online; live on S4C; live commentary on BBC Radio Wales & online; live commentary on Radio Cymru

Seeing as no one has started a thread yet I thought I would.

Enjoy the discussion.

Leigh Halfpenny
Alex Cuthbert
Ashley Beck
Jamie Roberts
George North
Dan Biggar
Mike Phillips
Paul James
Richard Hibbard
Aaron Jarvis
Bradley Davies
Ian Evans
Ryan Jones (Capt)
Justin Tipuric
Toby Faletau

REPLACEMENTS:
Ken Owens, Gethin Jenkins, Scott Andrews, Luke Charteris, Sam Warburton, Tavis Knoyle, Rhys Priestland, Scott Williams

Samoa:
F Autagavaia (Northland)
P Perez (Eastern Province)
G Pisi (Northampton)
P Williams (Stade Francais)
D Lemi (Worcester, captain)
T Pisi (Suntory)
K Fotuali'i (Ospreys)
S Taulafo (Wasps)
O Avei (Bordeaux-Begles)
C Johnston (Toulouse)
D Leo (Perpignan)
T Paulo (North Harbour)
O Treviranus (London Irish)
M Fa'asavalu (Harlequins)
T Tuifua (Newcastle)

Replacements: T Paulo (Clermont Auvergne), V Afatia (Agen), J Johnston (Harlequins), F Lemalu (Mont de Marsan), T Fomai (Hawke's Bay), J Su'a (Tasman), J Leota (Sale), R Lilomaiava (Laulii).

by Duty281 Sat 17 Nov - 7:10

Cracking turnover for Samoa but the pass is intercepted and Wales get a try. Poor pass by the no.10 and that is a gift for Wales. Single-handedly destroyed all their defensive work for the first 33 minutes.

by RogerLewis Sat 17 Nov - 7:10

More impressed with the speed of North following Beck. Jesus!

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:11

Take out the first minute and we are winning 13 - 0 Wink

by ME-109 Sat 17 Nov - 7:11

Rubbish refereeing, I suppose no one who is welsh noted the infringement at the breakdown before the intercept.

by clivemcl Sat 17 Nov - 7:11

Pretty sure Faletau should have been penalised at the ruck before the intercept...

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:12

Pisi again lovely territory kick.

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:12

Halfpenny lines up again and he's now on 202 points on test duty.

Ashley Beck is a happy man. 13-7 is probably about right. Samoa doing a lot more kicking than running, They're not getting anywhere. At the moment.

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:12

clivemcl wrote:Pretty sure Faletau should have been penalised at the ruck before the intercept...

He didnt interfere with play.

by Taylorman Sat 17 Nov - 7:12

mckay1402 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:geez isnt Davies annoying... we this we that. chase it own now...

theres only one side on his paddock.
well he's commentating to a British audience. If you want a samoan perspective watch samoan tv

Oh...so British audiences prefer biased commentators. Glad youve clarified that for me.

do me favour highhorseman. kiwi commentators are hardly bastions of impartiality.

Oh come on when do you hear any commentators saying "come on charge it down its been 10 seconds charge it down"

geez

Good intercept Wales- though only way to score tries for some these days.

by EngInAuck Sat 17 Nov - 7:12

Visits to oppo's 22

Samoa :5

Wales :1

Wales really need to sort this stat out apart from the intercept try they haven't looked dangerouse at all

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:13

Lineout has gone to Poopie.

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:13

Samoa kick away possession again in attack and Halfpenny returns them with interest. They're going nowhere at the moment except occupying the middle of the park.

by Breadvan Sat 17 Nov - 7:13

First AWJ now Hibbs. No more ospreys players to be injured please. Some big games next month... Erm

by ME-109 Sat 17 Nov - 7:14

wales606 wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Pretty sure Faletau should have been penalised at the ruck before the intercept...

He didnt interfere with play.

Clearly blocked the scrumhalf

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:14

Another shoulder charge on Biggar now

by clivemcl Sat 17 Nov - 7:14

wales606 wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Pretty sure Faletau should have been penalised at the ruck before the intercept...

He didnt interfere with play.

Ah wise up, stopping a player hitting the ruck doesn't slow down the ball???

by mattygoat Sat 17 Nov - 7:15

do you think jiffy realises we can hear everything he says censored

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:15

Census Jonson does a barnstormer. More rumbling around.

Some rocket flyer tackles going in on the Welsh as would be expected. Someone's gonna get hurt.

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:16

Dan Biggar with a big head wound and holding his shoulder

I hope he can play on/only a blood sub.

by Breadvan Sat 17 Nov - 7:16

For the love.... furious

by EngInAuck Sat 17 Nov - 7:16

Ohh god Mr Priestland is on ....

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:16

Biggar's shoulder doesn't look good furious

He's off

ARGGGG

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:17

And they have. Busted arm shoulder for one of the blokes in red wearing 10. Biggar. Priestland on.

by Duty281 Sat 17 Nov - 7:17

The citing chap will have a good look at that one I reckon. Very ugly.

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:17

Or maybe that should have been Bugger off, Priestland is on.

by Taylorman Sat 17 Nov - 7:18

Hard luck Biggar. Cleanouts have the potential to to have very serious injuries, so agree with Davies there, particularly when the player isnt expecting it/ braced.

Very unfortunate side of the game.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:18

RYAN JONES AGAIN!!! Doesnt help when a samoan throws himself in from the side too but come on captain lacking!!!

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:19

Getting scrappy again.

Losing Hibbard and Biggar the 2 most in form players in the team :/

And I can't see either recovering to play NZ or Aus.

by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Nov - 7:19

Duty281 wrote:The citing chap will have a good look at that one I reckon. Very ugly.

It was ugly, but legal. It was just a case of a massive lock cleaning out a fly half

by Guest Sat 17 Nov - 7:20

The ref is a naughty naughty boy

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:20

Ken Owens is the man not offside, its ryan jones again.

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:20

Pot Hale wrote:Or maybe that should have been Bugger off, Priestland is on.

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:21

13 - 10

Halftime

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:21

Clearing out at the ruck - citable?

Samoa still tussling in the Welsh 22. And in from the side byWales and its another penalty to Samoa. Maybe Pisi prefers the left. Last kick before the whistle.

And he nails it.

13-10.

All to play for in the second. Squeaky bums in Cardiff. Wonder how good Howley is at firing rockets?

by Morgannwg Sat 17 Nov - 7:22

I hope the citing commisioner has a look at the shoulder on Hibbard and that shoulder on Biggar. It's one thing being physical, but it has to be within the laws for god's sake.

Samoa deserve to be ahead. Everything about our play is shockingly bad. Yes even defence mr Edwards.

by Duty281 Sat 17 Nov - 7:22

Good kick to take us to HT, 13-10. Samoa the better team so far, particularly going forward and at the breakdown. Should be a great second half.

by Higher_Ground Sat 17 Nov - 7:22

Savage forearm with intent, that's not a sport I'm interested if that's deemed ok.
Can't see why we chuck them the cash to be honest. If they can't behave, they should be left out in the cold.

by mckay1402 Sat 17 Nov - 7:23

god knows how wales are in front but we'd probably have taken that scoreline. not the performance though. that has been terrible

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:23

Well at half time Ryan Jones might as well be wearing Blue!!!

James has made a few positional errors, and Tipuric non existant (as I said he would be)

We havn't got into Samoans 22 once to their 7, we have offered nothing up front, nothing going forward and look clueless!!

As I said beforehand everything Howley does has been wrong again, 8 changes were wrong, and the players look shaken!

by Taylorman Sat 17 Nov - 7:24

Interesting half. Typical Wales Samoa game I'm used to seeing. For some reason this particular match up has appeal every time its played. Seem to remember these meetings more than any other NH- SH meeting other than our own.

by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Nov - 7:24

Morgannwg wrote:I hope the citing commisioner has a look at the shoulder on Hibbard and that shoulder on Biggar. It's one thing being physical, but it has to be within the laws for god's sake.

Samoa deserve to be ahead. Everything about our play is shockingly bad. Yes even defence mr Edwards.

The tackle and the clean out we're fine, they may look at the forearm to the back of Hibbards head

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:24

Phillips, Biggar, Beck and Halfpenny the standouts in the backs

Hibbard was the only standout in the forwards, unfortunately he's off now.

Tipuric playing fairly well though.

The second half is going to be worrysome without Biggar and Hibbard on the pitch.

I hope we see Gethin, Charteris and perhaps Warburton off the bench.

by Guest Sat 17 Nov - 7:25

Samoa should start using there arms in the tackle, nothing but shoulders so far,
If that was a South African everyone would be calling thug and the IRB would give a massive ban.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 17 Nov - 7:26

wales

Is Tipuric on the pitch???

by Pot Hale Sat 17 Nov - 7:26

Have Samoa really been that good?

They've been quick at the breakdown but have continually gone off their feet and been penalised, Wales have benefited twice from it. Beyond the first minute try, Samoa haven't really threatened the try line since.

Someone asked earlier if this match would show whether Argentina were very good last week, or were Wales just poor?

Any takers?

by Looseheaded Sat 17 Nov - 7:26

Ken Owens has done pretty well in the loose so far.

by Morgannwg Sat 17 Nov - 7:27

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:I hope the citing commisioner has a look at the shoulder on Hibbard and that shoulder on Biggar. It's one thing being physical, but it has to be within the laws for god's sake.

Samoa deserve to be ahead. Everything about our play is shockingly bad. Yes even defence mr Edwards.

The tackle and the clean out we're fine, they may look at the forearm to the back of Hibbards head

The tackle on Hibbard was a shoulder charge, arms weren't used. It's an offence. The second was a ruck, I'm not too sure myself if it is worth a citing or not. They deemed Botha's charge on Adam Jones to be worth it though and it's the same 'clearout.'

by IanBru Sat 17 Nov - 7:28

I have to say, Gareth Thomas seems to be an excellent pundit - good knowledge and intelligent arguments. It might be because of the obvious comparison with the clown next to him...

by wales606 Sat 17 Nov - 7:28

thebluesmancometh wrote:wales

Is Tipuric on the pitch???

Yep, his breakdown/tackle work was very good in the middle 20 minutes when Wales were on the backfoot - doing well to recycle the ball.

Ryan Jones had a bad half, I expect him to turn it around - if not, I would put Warbs on for him at 60. If Ryan improves then I would take Tips off unless he is a standout in the second half.

by ME-109 Sat 17 Nov - 7:29

clivemcl wrote:
wales606 wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Pretty sure Faletau should have been penalised at the ruck before the intercept...

He didnt interfere with play.

Ah wise up, stopping a player hitting the ruck doesn't slow down the ball???

Took the space as they say, clearly obstructing, SH was delayed, mostly given these days.

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