What Next For Marquez?

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Ideally retirement. He simply cannot top that performance. He cannot go out on a better note than absolutely donkey punching Pac Man. It was utterly devastating. The man hit the canvas face first.

But if he doesn't retire then there is only one fight i would like to see him have. Chris John.

It is a loss on his record that was dubious. It is a revenge fight against an undefeated fighter. It is a fight that can be made and fought in Las Vegas. It can give him one final pay day. It can be won.

If he fought Floyd exactly the same would happen again. Mayweather's arms are too long, Juan would not be able to get inside. If he fought Pac Man again then it be utterly pointless. He has done what he wanted to do. He cannot top that knockout... ever.

Bradley isn't a draw and would be ugly. Rios would get battered inside 8 with his face first tactics. So, it has to be Chris John or retire for me.

Thoughts?

emore

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Don't ban him on my behalf.

So self absorbed as ever Tina, good to see you back by the way, thought we had lost you for a brief moment, just back in time to see me sweep the boards in Sean's awards

"Hoped" I was gone, more like! Just a wee pre-Christmas break with the family.

I need to ask Seanus nicely if I can still vote as I missed the deadline. Thread of the year will be a tough one. You unleashed the 'Ten Uncrowned Greats' and then Chris responds with another in the 'Ten Fights to See' series. Might have to meet in the middle and vote for something from Gordy.

As Seanus couldn't even make his own deadline I'd like to think sense will prevail and you'll be allowed to submit your vote(s) still....

That said, same goes to you as to those lazy student muppets that all turned up to vote in the last general at 9pm and the polls closed - voting was open long enough!! ;-P

No way will John take him at a weight Marquez can actually make. Hed have to lose an entire shoulder to make 135 right now.

I feel like I should warn Marquez fans of something: He looked great and scored the best and most brutal win of his career over the P4P #2. However he is nearly 40, although he appears to simply be improving with age ala Hopkins, I can't see that kind of form continuing on too long. Someone like Guerrero is a risk. Very big and rangey.

Rios, since the Abril schooling would look like an easy enough win plus it's a money spinner, however I have a feeling he'll be fed to Pacman shortly.

Garcia seems like the natural opponent to me. The young up and coming #1 at 140, the division Marquez fits into by the looks of things.

All of this is moot though because there's not a boxing fan worth his weight in spam (meat, not emails for man sausage enlargement which I get an insulting amount of. Infact if I used every enhancer I'd been emailed abbout I'd be the size of Gary Mason by now!) who won't by Pacquiao v Marquez V. Arum seemed to want it and I can't see either fighter turning it down unless Jinkee talks Pacman into retirement. Marquez might not need another win over Pacquiao, but with the official scoring still reading 2-1-1 Manny, Marquez will want it again.

Going by my scoring it's 2-2 so bring on number 5!

Also, RIP coxy and welcome back two_ton.

The ban happened, long live the banning of coxxy.

To say Marquez will never fight John is naive, so naive. It can be made.

davidemore wrote:The ban happened, long live the banning of coxxy.

To say Marquez will never fight John is naive, so naive. It can be made.

This fight isn't gonna happen. No way, no how!

davidemore wrote:The ban happened, long live the banning of coxxy.

To say Marquez will never fight John is naive, so naive. It can be made.

The same could be said of thinking it will simply because it's best for Marquez, if indeed it is.

John's not a name, and Marquez can make big bucks on his next outing if he fights a name.


Actually John is a name, a good name, but CHRIS John isn't a famous name.

Fame should not dictate JMM next bout. Hr is the name that matters, he decides. John is undefeated and beat him, the fight CAN sell.

coxy0001 wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:OK 'athlete'.

Whatever you say, flower.

You little stalkerish psycho wa**er

Hahaha I've only just got on to that myself.

No doubt Amir Khan will be calling out JMM if he wins at the weekend thus bypassing a difficult (and more importantly, financially less lucrative) bout with Kell Brook in the Summer.

Dave667 i agree. Brook would batter khan but against a smaller JMM he could win. He will run and use range. All night.

I don't get the athlete joke. Someone is going to have to explain BY PM. Tina?

Marquez will fight Manny again I think, is where the money is and is not exactly a tough sell. Also if Marquez can get another win starts to tip the series more in his balance, particularly given how unfortunate he was in some of the earlier fights.

Good point Rowley and very likely but a sad thing IMO. That 4th fight was enough.

Anyone got the PPV numbers on the fight?

Rowley wrote:I just want it noting Tina that Chris' last contribution to his frankly overrated 10 fights you must see series was posted after the deadline.

Be reasonable, Rowley. I worked in to the night and only missed the deadline by an hour or so. And that's the thanks I get? You think I meant those nice things I said about Naz in that article? I only did it for you, you ungrateful begger!

88Chris05 wrote:

Rowley wrote:I just want it noting Tina that Chris' last contribution to his frankly overrated 10 fights you must see series was posted after the deadline.

Be reasonable, Rowley. I worked in to the night and only missed the deadline by an hour or so. And that's the thanks I get? You think I meant those nice things I said about Naz in that article? I only did it for you, you ungrateful begger!

Is he the first yorkshireman you ever met naive child?!

88Chris made a slur on the good name of dirty vagrants, ban him! ban the MOD! lol.

Only joking Chris, the series has indeed been a fine one, am only hoping you carry on to the point where you try and find ten cruiserweight title fights worth watching, some grim old hours spent on youtube researching that one.

No point doing the Cruisers, Jeff. Union has effectively already taken care of that one for me, with his 'David Haye Career in Video' offering.

Mods have to be careful that they don't end up with a STEPFORD WIVES membership on 606......

I'm sorry Coxy has gone...

one less poster who won't go "Great article " everytime someone writes some bollox about the past....

Would love to see him avenge the Chris John defeat. Which basically could have been called for Marquez if not held in Japan. Can't stand Chris John either. Boring defensive fighter who's got less stamps on his passport than Sven Ottke!

I'd like to see him fight someone called John Chris...I'm sure they could look in the directory and I'm sure the win will be just as legacy enhancing!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
one less poster who won't go "Great article " everytime someone writes some bollox about the past....

Take it said article wasn't about the 80's?

I'd miss you too...Soldier....



Like a hole in the head...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd like to see him fight someone called John Chris...I'm sure they could look in the directory and I'm sure the win will be just as legacy enhancing!!

He lost to John though. John's legacy is held together by a somewhat dubious win over Marquez. Juan has scrubbed off Manny so now go for John. Twould be legacy enhancing. Lewis clouting Rahman did his legacy no harm at all even if Hasim was rubbish to beging with........

I know but like Prescott-Khan...what would be the point supey...

PM for you Soldier.

pm for you soldier!!!

Ignore Trussy...

Not about you Truss....

This time....

But I'm feeling left out....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I know but like Prescott-Khan...what would be the point supey...

It's funny I always thought that Khan should take care of Prescott. 54 seconds and all that. Letting a lesser boxer than you have bragging rights. He should have put that right before he set about a failed conquest to rule the world. Whatever you think Ali lost fights and avenged most apart from when he was shot and is the Greatest, Lewis is looked upon very favourably for battering Rahman and reducing McCall to tears, so much so it's almost good that he lost those fights to start off with.

Duane bobick beat Larry Holmes..

Khan should have taken cre of Prescott before he went in against Kotelnik or at least made him a priority after winning a World strap. As alluded to on numerous ocasions, it's an utterly meaningless fight unless A/ Prescott suddenly becomes a World beater or B/ Khan regresses so badly that the only fight he can get is against Breidis.

BTW, I can't see much improvement being made in Khan at this stage in his career. This isn't to be confused with there being massive scope for improvement in him. I just feel that his bad habits are so ingrained in him that he'll always revert to type a la Hatton in the run up to the fight with Manny and the stuff Mayweather Snr was supposed adding to his arsenal.

Yeah well after he beat Kotelnik there was definitely a window of opportunity to take out the trash as Breidis at that point was still considered a worthy (ish) challenger and there would have certainly been a point and a lot of money to be made in Khan putting that Prescott matter right.

However by now the chance has gone agreed. The same would be if BHop decided to take care of Clinton Mitchell. Fact is if Khan had taken out Prescott it would have done him the world of good. And given that Chris John is still a world champion then he's still relevant for Marquez and therefore I stand firly by my point that Marquez could/should try to take care of him.

Think Marquez has earned himself a megabucks fight now and whilst there's the nagging issue regarding Chris John, I doubt it enhances his reputation or bank balance enough to make it worth the effort.

There's Bradley and Guerrero or another fight with Manny (even though I feel Jinkee may be calling the shots a little more after this weekend's fight) but even without them, I think Marquez can retire a very happy man right now. In fact, I think he should do that and then let's see if Arum will dig deep into his pockets and tempt Juan out of retirement for one last mega fight

People talk like JMM never made money. The man has probably made in excess of 40 million dollars in his career. Fight John!

Mexicans and their money are soonest parted!!!

Marquez wanted the rematch and on a neutral nation but John didnt want any of it and went on to bigger and better things in the shape of......err Does anyone know who he's fought except caballero. Now Marquez is coming off the biggest win of his career and John want a rematch, has he deserved it?

I honestly wouldn't care what he does next

If he retires then he's done it at the right time and can retire happy knowig himself that he had Pacquiao's number

Pacquiao-Marquez V makes sense as Manny was close to KOing Marquez and walked onto something big and paid the price

Mayweather-Marquez could work as Marquez is better at the weight now and mayweather has looked vulnerable but I doubt Matuqez could pull of the upset

If Marquez beats a couple young guns (Rios, Brook, Guerrero, Garcia, Broner etc) it can help his legacy but it also opens the possibility of losing to someone who gets him on a bad night

For the record I think that all of the above Young fighters have a chance vs Marquez as he was losing vs Pacquiao and won't be in as good a shape as he was against Pacquao as pacquiao was personal hence why he trained so hard

Why should Marquez fight the likes of Brook....

He's an old man......

just retire now you've put the record straight..enjoy..your money, your Wife (enjoy mine as well by all means), your family....

Nothing to prove......all these young guns will be "OVERRATED" If you beat them...

Retire JMM....you deserve it..

WHU he pancaked Pac MAn, the 'losing' argument means nothing. He almost KO'd him earlier in the fight too. Come on man. He battered Pac, battered.

He battered Pac..

I must have watched a different fight!!

davidemore wrote:WHU he pancaked Pac MAn, the 'losing' argument means nothing. He almost KO'd him earlier in the fight too. Come on man. He battered Pac, battered.

He may have knocked him out but to imply he battered him sounds like a one sided beat down which it wasn't. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't have Pacquiao up by the end of the 5th and Pacquiao was well on his way to winning the 6th too had he not been reckless to go for the KO and while Pac was hurt in the 3rd Maruqez was hurt in the fifth and sixth.

If you would rather watch a snoozer in Marquez-John on some stream (as no Indonesia fights are shown in the UK or America) than the FOTY and the 5th fight if a highly entertaining/competitive series than you aren' a proper fan

As I said I don't care what he does as he is in the position now were you can't really fault him no-matter what he does , except maybe fight a featherweight in john

I'm glad Marquez has finally got his deserved win over Pac and with the KO I don't see the need for the 5th fight. Officially its still stands at 2-1-1 but I think JMM has got what he wanted/needed with the monkey finally off his back.

I don't see a way in which Marquez could physically fight Chris John again. John's trying to cash in on the back of JMM's win but Marquez is just too big now. Unless John has the intention of moving up but then Marquez will have the same accusations thrown at him that Manny has had with the talk of catchweights etc etc.

Offically it stands at 10-1-1

7 fights that flew under the radar Truss? Or just your template scorecard?

7 fights that flew under the radar....

Sounds like a good ww2 movie!! copyright it now...

By the way offically is American slang for officially..

Haha the movie to resurrect Mel Gibson's career. Might even be need a beefster to play 1 of the background soldiers. The real Berenger has the experience on you but!

The Beefster in the background who hits the deck draped in the American flag with Meg holding his hand after killing 10 Japs and wounding another with his bare hands!!

Making it 10-1-1..........

Truss a bit of sensitivity when discussing flags this week with an Irishman would be advised! I cant even get a wild boar burger and a pint of cactus beer!

Meg Ryan? Who's that?

JMM did batter him, IMO. I mean he led him into a trap and then battered him. You saw his face WHU? Yes, he took some licks to do that, but he did do that. And the licks JMM took were far less than the one's Pac took, because JMM didn't fall face first to the canvas like a fat drunk falling out of a pub.

The only mega bucks fight out there for Marquez is a rematch with Manny, He may be able to double his 6 million, manny still getting the lions share, of 20+.
Marquez could fight Rios, Guerrero or Garcia, and although they'd be great fights, they may not even make PPV.

I think people are also forgetting that Manny and Marquez are made for each other, i.e small men that have bulked up. Marquez could find height and reach advantages enjoyed by most of the world class welterweights a step too far. For example, Manny has made the 2nd half of his career feasting on Marge, Clottey, Cotto, Mosley, etc, could you see Marquez making his way through similar oponents? I can't.

What Marquez has seemed to do over the last couple of years is build himself up for beating Manny, But it was a singlely focused goal, "must beat manny" I don't think this means that he can push on and be the man at the weight.