1872 Cup Match Thread - Glasgow V Edinburgh

[RDW]

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The 1872 Cup: Friday 21 August (kick-off 7.35pm) – live on BBC ALBA

Edinburgh

15 Greig Tonks

14 Lee Jones
13 Matt Scott
12 James King
11 Tim Visser

10 Piers Francis
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN

1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Ross Ford
3 Willem Nel
4 Grant Gilchrist
5 Izak van der Westhuizen
6 David Denton
7 Roddy Grant
8 Stuart McInally

Substitutes
16 Andy Titterrell
17 John Yapp
18 Geoff Cross
19 Sean Cox
20 Netani Talei
21 Richie Rees
22 Ben Atiga
23 Dougie Fife

Glasgow

1 Grant
2 MacArthur
3 Low
4 Kellock
5 Swinson
6 Harley
7 Fusaro
8 Wilson

9 Niko
10 Jackson
11 DTH
12 Horne
13 Lamont
14 Maitland
15 Murchie

16 Hall
17 Reid
18 Araoz
19 Gray
20 Eddie
21 Pyrgos
22 Weir
23 Hogg

Glasgow have won the cup 3 years in a row - can Edinburgh reverse the tide? Current form suggests no, but with this being the only thing left in the season to play for there's always a chance. Glasgow need wins to keep momentum in the Rabbo, and Edinburgh can overtake Glasgow in the league if they win both legs (unlikely).

Bring it on!!!!!

[funnyExiledScot]

I know I'm late to this but hats off to Glasgow for winning just about every collision in that match. Frankly I thought Glasgow wanted it more, and as pointed out about, Edinburgh weren't able to control the game at all.

Hopefully the strategy to fall off tackles (Lee Jones especially) is all part of a grand plan to lull Glasgow into a false sense of security, so we can ambush them at Murrayfield.

Am taking some uni friends to the game, so please god let it be entertaining. It should be, as Edinburgh really have nothing to lose by trying to quicken things up.

[jimbopip]

FES they can try, same as I can try to look like George Clooney and sound like Oscar Wilde. The MFL's will probably be as succesful as I am.
On another point : Glasgow could put out starting XV who did not start at Scotstoun;
1. Cusack
2 Hall
3 Kalman/Reid
4 Swinson
5 Campbell
6 McDonald
7 Barclay
8 Jedi
9 Cusiter/Pyrgos
10 Wee Dunkie
11 Seymour
12 Dunbar
13 Hogg
14 Paris
15 Ramont
This line-up would probably cause the MFL a lot of heartache but more importantly how many of them are genuine contenders for places in the 6 Nations squad? Probably more than in the MFL starting XV. Discuss.

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

FES they can try, same as I can try to look like George Clooney and sound like Oscar Wilde. The MFL's will probably be as succesful as I am.
On another point : Glasgow could put out starting XV who did not start at Scotstoun;
1. Cusack
2 Hall
3 Kalman/Reid
4 Swinson
5 Campbell
6 McDonald
7 Barclay
8 Jedi
9 Cusiter/Pyrgos
10 Wee Dunkie
11 Seymour
12 Dunbar
13 Hogg
14 Paris
15 Ramont
This line-up would probably cause the MFL a lot of heartache but more importantly how many of them are genuine contenders for places in the 6 Nations squad? Probably more than in the MFL starting XV. Discuss.

I would swap the props and Swinson started.

Hogg
R Lamont
Dunbar
Morrison
Seymour

Weir
Cusiter

Welsh
Hall
Cusack
Ryder
Campbell
Eddie
Barclay
Strauss

[tigertattie]

I'm not really looking forward to the 2nd leg. Not because I fear another Edinburgh loss, but because I'm really not sure if I want to watch another game of total keek rugby.

Both teams were dreadful on friday with Edinburgh being more dreadful than Glasgow. Glasgow did what they needed to do in order to win. This included pulling Edinburgh defenders into rucks to prevent them tackling the pick and or short pass tackers. The ref was shocking towards both teams.

I want both teams to really up thier performance at Murrayfield or I fear the 2nd half of the season is going to be just as poor for Scottish Rugby as the first

[jimbopip]

Mrs Mantooth, you are of course right again. The point I was rather clumsily trying to make is that Glasgow could put out what could be considered a 2nd XV which are all either current or aspiring Scottish internationals and the MFL are too busy purchasing front five players from Knitting magazines to consider such fripperies.
P.S good move putting Strauss at 6.

[IanBru]

Just announced - Glasgow squad for Saturday's match:
15 Hogg
14 Maitland
13 S Lamont
12 Horne
11 DTH

10 Jackson
9 Pyrgos

8 Wilson
7 Harley
6 Strauss
5 Kellock (Capt)
4 Ryder
3 Low
2 Hall
1 Grant

Subs: 16 MacArthur, 17 Reid, 18 Araoz, 19 Swinson, 20 Eddie, 21 Matawalu, 22 Weir, 23 Morrison

Looks like Dot was right about Strauss at 8, but I'm really not sure about Harley as an openside. Beginning to wonder whether Robinson's random backrow selections might actually have been the influence of Townsend.

[sensisball]

Harley's pick at 7 is forced by injuries to both Barclay and Fusaro. Will be interesting to see how the big ginger monster does, fine i suspect. Wilson has been solid in all aspects of play and is rightly starting at 8. Stuass has just returned from honeymoon, dont expect he will last much beyond half time. Slamont at 13 and Jackson at 10 are the two main selection blunders. Either Johnson has told Toonie that he wants to have Jacko as his first choice 10 (please God no)for the 6N's or Mr T is just being pig headed in not selecting Weir. At least Pyrgos will take some of the kicking pressure off Wacko with his excellent box kicks. Lamont is still not and never will be a class outside centre, why did Glasgow bother resigning Mark Bennett if he is simply going to be allowed to play premier rugby for Stirling County? He would have been better off staying at Clermont and playing for their academy team.

[GLove39]

Edinburgh team announced...
1) Jacobsen
2) Titterrell
3) Cross
4) Gilchrist
5)Cox
6)Denton
7) Grant
8) Talei

9) Laidlaw
10) Francis
11) Visser
12) King
13) Scott
14) Fife
15) Tonks

Subs - Lawrie, Hislop, Niven/Nel, Parker, Basilaia, Rees, Atiga, S Visser

[RDW]

Bradley is giving Francis something he's never given Leonard or Hunter - several games in a row.

glad to see talei back - desperately need need him in the same form as last year.

[tigertattie]

Has Jones finally been dropped? Or is it an injury???

Nice to see Basil on the bench again.

Also, for the weege, is Swinston injured or dropped? Thought he had a good game last week

[jimbopip]

Tiger, at one point the cameras showed McInally massaging his groin during the game (please God say that's what he was doing) so I think Talei is expediency rather than form.
Jedi can feel himself unfortunate to be on the bench(ditto Swinson) but behind the scrum The Weegies look quite exciting; cue McInally "massaging groin" again.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Think Tim Swinson must be rested (on the bench). Jackson very lucky and Weir unlucky. Disagree with the above re Schlong Lamont. He had a good game last week. Good to see Big Strauss back too. Where is Peter Murchie though ? He may be rested as he has played in every game this year ?

[Janecory]

Laidlaw lucky to be starting again at 9, after last week.
Most prob. Bradley has been told to play him there by SRU for the 6 nations.

[tigertattie]

Tiger, at one point the cameras showed McInally massaging his groin

Erm. McInally was massaging whose groin???????????

And Janecory, Sorry, but laidlaw played far better at 9 than he has at 10 all season so it is right that he has been picked there again.

[jimbopip]

Tattie, yes Laidlaw was better at 9 than he has been at 10 but that isn't really saying much. He has been shocking this season- but then again which MFL hasn't?

[Tramptastic]

Tattie, yes Laidlaw was better at 9 than he has been at 10 but that isn't really saying much. He has been shocking this season- but then again which MFL hasn't?

At least he plays like he cares unlike the rest of that bunch! That aside I thought he had a fantastic game last week, passing was good and didn't look like a headless chicken!

[RDW]

Lee Jones is classed as out with a rib injury apparently - probably hurt himself tripping over his own arse.

[tigertattie]

Lee Jones is classed as out with a rib injury apparently - probably hurt himself tripping over his own arse.

[Janecory]

Tattie, yes Laidlaw was better at 9 than he has been at 10 but that isn't really saying much. He has been shocking this season- but then again which MFL hasn't?

I thought he had a fantastic game last week, passing was good !

Good? You must have been watching a different game .

[Tramptastic]

Nah Nah Nah was the same game, dull after 30 minutes, lack of atmosphere, everything spoken in gaelic on the tv, cheap shots from Harley, ineptness from most things Edinburgh?

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

Nah Nah Nah was the same game, dull after 30 minutes, lack of atmosphere, everything spoken in gaelic on the tv, cheap shots from Harley, ineptness from most things Edinburgh?

Another person moaning about crowds or atmosphere who was not there. Getting tedious now!

[Janecory]

Nah Nah Nah was the same game, dull after 30 minutes, lack of atmosphere, everything spoken in gaelic on the tv, cheap shots from Harley, ineptness from most things Edinburgh?

Another person moaning about crowds or atmosphere who was it there. Getting tedious now!

Mostly Armchair Critics on this forum !

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

Nah Nah Nah was the same game, dull after 30 minutes, lack of atmosphere, everything spoken in gaelic on the tv, cheap shots from Harley, ineptness from most things Edinburgh?

Another person moaning about crowds or atmosphere who was it there. Getting tedious now!

Mostly Armchair Critics on this forum !

When it comes to Scottish club rugby it's the same on most forums.

[IanBru]

Mostly Armchair Critics on this forum !

You're right - it's a disgrace that so few of us are playing at Murrayfield tomorrow. No stamina, says I.

[RDW]

Take it was was q good atmosphere then? I was one of those arm chair pundits who earlier on in the thread said that on tv it didn't sound like there was much of an atmosphere - happy to be corrected!

[funnyExiledScot]

It seemed quiet to me as well but I was similarly arm chair bound up in Inverness.

I'll be at Murrayfield though and am bringing a couple of friends with me, so there'll be at least 3 of us in the stadium.....

I'm delighted that Fife is on the wing, and similarly pleased to see Talei back. I know he hasn't been at his best this season, but he hasn't had much of a chance (like so many other Edinburgh players).

Very much looking forward to the game. Hopefully Edinburgh can start well (or at least better than the first half at Scotstoun), and leave nothing on the field.

[VinceWLB]

Where is Cusack? any news when he is going to be back? don't rate Low very much as a scrummaging tighthead.

[funnyExiledScot]

I think Low's a pretty decent scrummager. He's not destructive like Cusack, but for a young prop he can pretty much hold his own at most levels. He's also a decent player in the loose. Injury has held up his progress quite a bit in recent seasons, but I for one am really pleased he's back. I'm never very comfortable with Geoff Cross holding up the scrum for Scotland in the 6 Nations.

[VinceWLB]

Yes he is hard to judge, i think it depends a lot of is opposing LH, he does seem to struggle a bit against short dynamic LH whereas Cusack don't take a step back against anyone!

As for Cross i thought he had improved his scrummaging last year but has gone a bit backward (no pun intended) this year. Maybe as a result of less gametime because of Nel?

[funnyExiledScot]

The Edinburgh front row is a mess this season. They've been rotated every game so they've never had a chance to settle as a unit, or play into some form. Cross has suffered a bit as a result.

Cusack is a exceptional scrummager and Low isn't in his class in that regard, but I still think he's the second best scrummaging tighthead available to Scotland.

[tigertattie]

Folk moaning about atmophere???

there are two ways of fixing it! Option A: those going take it upon themselves to better the atmosphere B: the teams play better rugby to induce a better atmosphere

Currently the rugby being played by both Pro teams is serious coma inducing stuff

[Tramptastic]

My apologies, as has been mentioned it didnt sound like a good atmosphere - happy to be corrected! Unfortunately finances don't often allow me to go to matches live so all I can do is judge from what it sounds like on the tv?

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Cusack is injured so will leave it to Low to destroy the MFL front row. Fully intend to better the atmosphere in the Library East with the Warriors West End Masiff !

[jimbopip]

21st, wish I was with you in the Morningside reading room this afternoon, alas the bus fare from sunny Essex is prohibitive.
Now here's a funny thought; the Weege take a nine point lead into the match, a few seasons ago it would be simple- Parks controls where we play (their 22) and G-Dog leads a ferocious defence which forces turnovers and/or penus a Glassgo! Dan boy kicks penalties or drop goals MFL die a slow death.Easy.
Will Rhubarb control the game as well? Will he kick the points? Will Schlong lead a controlled, disciplined defence?
Also, the return of the Chunk; if the MFL get quality ball then their centres are potentially very good. Will the human bowling ball galvanise what was a limp wristed set of jerseys last week? I still take the weege by 12.

[alexgmacdonald]

The Glasgow back three look like they could turn into some thing special. If Hoggy regains some form like last year and linking up with DTH and Maitland it could be great!

I'm looking forward to seeing how maitland progresses as he finds his feet in Glasgow. He's been pretty good so far big, quick and eager for work.

[tigertattie]

Edinburgh have Scotland disease. Inability to execute.

[GLove39]

Edinburgh feeling festive and gift Glasgow a 2nd try

[GLove39]

Dougie Hall very unlucky to have what would have been Glasgow's third try rued out. Ref not a fan of Jackson's 'enthusiastic' clear out...

[tigertattie]

Hmm. Dunno why the ref gave a penalty there

[TJ1]

Jackson "cleared out" someone who was not in the ruck thus creating a space for Hall to "score"

[TJ1]

Mince from Edinburgh tho

[RDW]

I'm considering leaving at half time. Terrible game, horrific stuff from Edinburgh.

[VinceWLB]

Jackson "cleared out" someone who was not in the ruck thus creating a space for Hall to "score"

For me it was clearly in the ruck area...

Cross is getting mullered at scrumtime.

[TJ1]

Jackson "cleared out" someone who was not in the ruck thus creating a space for Hall to "score"

For me it was clearly in the ruck area...

Cross is getting mullered at scrumtime.

He wasn't part of the ruck tho was he? You have to be bound to the ruck to be a part of it don't you?

[VinceWLB]

Jackson "cleared out" someone who was not in the ruck thus creating a space for Hall to "score"

For me it was clearly in the ruck area...

Cross is getting mullered at scrumtime.

He wasn't part of the ruck tho was he? You have to be bound to the ruck to be a part of it don't you?

The Edinburgh player went for contesting the ball, Glasgow player just cleared him out thus forming a ruck, that was definitely a try imo.

[tigertattie]

Rob Harley is very very ginger.

[tigertattie]

It's cold. It's wet. It's windy. Nothing on the pitch to warm you up. Why do we bother?

[GLove39]

Glasgow blow another try after a great break. Edinburgh lucky to be only 2 tries down

[bsando]

Laidlaw, do you even want to play in the 6 nations?

[TJ1]

Its not laidlaws fault he has no ball and no one to play with. He has been OK

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