The Crunch: Ireland v England Sunday 10th February 2013

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aka L'O'Choc: Irelande v Angleterre Dimanche le 10me Février 2013After going AWOL again yesterday, the French have most likely reduced the 6Ns title to a single game to determine the title.

Such a shame.

Discussion about the game - not about France going walkabout as originally intended.

Teams:

Greater Dublin Representative XXIII

15 - Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster/42)
14 - Craig Gilroy (Dungannon/Ulster/2)
13 - Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster/121)
12 - Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster/72)
11 - Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster/4)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St.Mary's College/Leinster/35)
9 - Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster/15)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster/36)
2 - Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster/63)
3 - Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster/25)
4 - Mike McCarthy (Buccaneers/Connacht/7)
5 - Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster/24)
6 - Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster/10)
7 - Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster/23)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster/53) Captain

Replacements:

16 - Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster/23)
17 - David Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster/3)
18 - Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon/Ulster/3)
19 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster/91)
20 - Chris Henry (Malone/Ulster/5)
21 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster/48)
22 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster/126)
23 - Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster/35)

The Perfidious Albion

15. Alex Goode (Saracens, 7 caps)
14. Chris Ashton (Saracens, 30 caps)
13. Brad Barritt (Saracens, 12 caps)
12. Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester Rugby, 1 caps)
11. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 12 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 13 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 29 caps)

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 6 caps)
2. Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 5 caps)
3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)
4. Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 5 caps)
5. Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps)
6. James Haskell (London Wasps, 46 caps)
7. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 13 caps)
8. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 10 caps)

Replacements
16. Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 43 caps)
17. David Wilson (Bath Rugby, 23 caps)
18. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 5 caps)
19. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 16 caps)
20. Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers, 4 caps)
21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 38 caps)
22. Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers, 54 caps)
23. Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 17 caps)

Massive game tomorrow - Neither side will be worried by the French.
England will probably still manage to lose to bloody Wales though

GunsGerms wrote:By the way did you know that your young centre 36s surname is actually Fentiman and not 36. 36 is him mums surname but his crafty dad took his mum Beverlys surname when he set up his tree surgery business. Crafty divil!

My understanding that Billy's mum was anxiuos to keep her surname for its scarcity value. His dad agreed and later, after the marriage became a tree surgeon.

But you version of the story is more media friendly and reputedly wrong.

England, clearly too soft in the past.
Well, not any more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amwgsBZQ1w4

Yep Doc, England won't get anywhere today by being nice - it's going to be a huge match. I do hope they show that they've got the right spirit because they're going to need it. My morning is dragging a bit as my son's rugby that I would have been watching now has been rained off so I'm left trying to usefully fill the time leading up to kick off...

Rain in Dublin. A nice soggy pitch to get the scrums slipping and sliding.

Hope there's no repeat of Clancy's version of Deal Or No Deal yesterday when the game of pure chance required no skill in the set pieces.

Yeah, I am really concerned about this match, too. Ireland could easily stick it to England, and in a big way. England need to come out aggressively and confidently early on - to match Ireland who surely will. Then keep up the pressure, and gain the same domionance in the scrum as last year. And avoid that one over-aggressive extra pass which leads to turnovers. That and watch the breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-YMRbh0OqM

WHO CANT WAIT!!!!

mystiroakey wrote:WHO CANT WAIT!!!!

Only 3 hours and 22 minutes to go!

I'm nervous as feic, I woke up about 3/4 times during the night (not all due to the match but partially due to nerves I would imagine!).




There is going to be a lot of shoite posted on here in the coming hours. But I will say hope both sides have a great day and to the fans, respect eachother, 2 quite good sides we've got here, enjoy your Guinness or Beamish and Murphy's (our stout is better than yours...............)


Have a good one y'all, I will apologise for flying off the handle later on now!



About 5 hours and two minutes till you have to close that thread Duty. Good luck to you sir, hope you enjoy the game, although not too much

great to be a neutral for this one and to be able to watch without shaking with nerves

Thomond wrote:I'm nervous as feic, I woke up about 3/4 times during the night (not all due to the match but partially due to nerves I would imagine!).




There is going to be a lot of shoite posted on here in the coming hours. But I will say hope both sides have a great day and to the fans, respect eachother, 2 quite good sides we've got here, enjoy your Guinness or Beamish and Murphy's (our stout is better than yours...............)


Have a good one y'all, I will apologise for flying off the handle later on now!



About 5 hours and two minutes till you have to close that thread Duty. Good luck to you sir, hope you enjoy the game, although not too much

Very good, enjoy the game.

I remeber the last ireland v england- on the old 606..

man that was flipping torture.. Ireland nothing to play for bar stopping our GS.. England got murdered in the end!!


However this side is soooo different and glad we arnt playing ya last!!

It will be a real test that's for sure.

How about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5up8kJoCsJM

mystiroakey wrote:I remeber the last ireland v england- on the old 606..

man that was flipping torture.. Ireland nothing to play for bar stopping our GS.. England got murdered in the end!!


However this side is soooo different and glad we arnt playing ya last!!

I've heard people bringing up Ireland's record v England in Ireland during the week and I've told them it doens't matter a jot. Around 5/6 of this side have gone to Lansdowne and won (Pre-WC game) and added to that spanking last year, then these lads will have no fear, which should hopefully make for a tight game and hopefully a good one (not like Wlaes v France yesterday as that was boring as hell!)

Duty281 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:WHO CANT WAIT!!!!

Only 3 hours and 22 minutes to go!

Arrgh! I'm still in work (popped in for a couple of hours to do some catch-up). Must get on and stop looking at 606!

Both games yesterday were pretty boring, especially when compared with week 1. I hope the Dublin rain doesn't turn this into a borefest, when there is so much potential.

well for us non neutrals it wont be boring whatever the play..

mystiroakey wrote:well for us non neutrals it wont be boring whatever the play..

This is true - can't wait!

I just hope both sides play their best. If that means England are good enough to beat Ireland then grand. If not we will know where to improve.

But it's a shame we won't see open rugby. Both sides have shown they want to play.

In bad conditions tactical kicking becomes more important. Enter the ROG!

EnglishReign wrote:But it's a shame we won't see open rugby. Both sides have shown they want to play.

Who do you think the poor conditions will affect more?

EnglishReign wrote:Both games yesterday were pretty boring, especially when compared with week 1. I hope the Dublin rain doesn't turn this into a borefest, when there is so much potential.

Hopefully with the rain, the spectators will see Ireland using the 15 man lineout strategy to get past the England gainline.

Woke up and i can't focus properly and have no peripheral vision. Bloody great, i think i could of coped with waking up and finding a leg or arm missing but not my eyes. How else am i going to watch the game without squinting.

stub wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:But it's a shame we won't see open rugby. Both sides have shown they want to play.

Who do you think the poor conditions will affect more?

I think rain favours England's game...but would still rather see a dry pitch!

I do hope England play the conditions and don't try to overplay like they have in the past.

I can't wait for the subs to come on- ROG trying to tackle Manu has comedy gold written all over it

EnglishReign wrote:

stub wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:But it's a shame we won't see open rugby. Both sides have shown they want to play.

Who do you think the poor conditions will affect more?

I think rain favours England's game...but would still rather see a dry pitch!

Really? Normally i'd agree with that but not sure it helps this team if it's constantly trying to move the point of attack as in the last couple of games. I reckon Ireland by about 10, but fingers crossed!

Just about to head out. that dense drizzley rain that seems light but soaks you.

Best of luck all.

Hopefully it will be just a bit too toon for an England side on the rise. And Ireland can get another bit out of the lonfest centre pairing in test rugby.

Well i think england are playing the slightly better rugby so rain should favour ireland.. Rain is allways a leveller

Hood83 wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:

stub wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:But it's a shame we won't see open rugby. Both sides have shown they want to play.

Who do you think the poor conditions will affect more?

I think rain favours England's game...but would still rather see a dry pitch!

Really? Normally i'd agree with that but not sure it helps this team if it's constantly trying to move the point of attack as in the last couple of games. I reckon Ireland by about 10, but fingers crossed!

I can't really work out who it will favour more to be honest. Certainly would have been England in the past but they seem to be playing a different game now. I do hope you're right though ER.

Good teams play good rugby regardless of the weather, it may change a few tactics but both sides have to deal with it. It's not an excuse that either side can make.

I have full confidence in England's ability to win the game in a forward-oriented manner. That means kicking for territory, dominating the set-piece, and, most importantly, taking your chances when they come. Rain will not hinder England in their quest for Grand Slam glory. 1 hour 55 minutes to go!

Come on England!!

So hyped now!

And why do we have emoticons for Wales, NZ, SA, Oz, Scotland and Ireland but not England??

rose

This game is key. It will probably define this year's 6Ns in the appropriation of the final spoils.

It would be a tragedy if the game is spoilt by the weather. The refereeing must be top class.

greytiger wrote:This game is key. It will probably define this year's 6Ns in the appropriation of the final spoils.

It would be a tragedy if the game is spoilt by the weather. The refereeing must be top class.

The referee is Jérôme Garcès, who appears to be rather inexperienced with regards to International rugby.

Round 2 and GS victory/clash is being used... What are you all taking about. Come back to me and talk about GS/Spoon in round 4!!!

I don't care much about the experience Duty.

There's a tendency for highly experienced refs to 'get involved' too much and showboat a bit.

And that includes when they get benched to the touchline.

thebluesmancometh wrote:Round 2 and GS victory/clash is being used... What are you all taking about. Come back to me and talk about GS/Spoon in round 4!!!

It's probably just that these are the only two teams who can possibly get a GS and after this game (providing there is not a draw) only one will have the GS to aim at.

Noone aims for a GS though, they aim to win their next game!!

A GS is just a culmination of dominance over the other 5 teams, talking GS at round 2 is just highlighting who won the week before!!

England have played a flat Scottish team at Twickers and everyone talks GS from then on?

Although I made England slight fav's before the tourny (and I mean slight) I think a touch of perspective is needed, the winner of this game will be 40% way through the tournament both with at least 2 tough games to play and an away game to boot!!!

IMHO the winner today is just the slight front runner, but we havn't reached the bend yet!!

blues, you're already round the bend mate!

Leaving work now. Should just about make it home in time!

Hope it's a great game >

Me too cyril, and I mean it when I say I wish both teams the best

I am having to go meet the missus from the airport and hit the nearest pub (with an Irish girl probably dressed head to toe in Ireland/Leinster gear) so if I don't make it beyond this afternoon bye guys, it's been fun!

Can't wait.

His BODliness has also just become a father today so hopefully he's gonna have another reason for it to be a day to remember!

Nerves kicking in.

Supposedly BOD has been wandering round Lansdowne today with a huge grin on his face... Hopefully it's still there come 5 o'clock.

As if he needed any other reason to want to beat England though...

Éire Abú!

If I was BOD I'd be walking about Lansdowne with a smile on my face every day!

Should be a great match, good luck to both sides (more to England). Let's show the Welsh and French how a match of rugby should be played, eh?

UlstermaninGlasgow wrote:Supposedly BOD has been wandering round Lansdowne today with a huge grin on his face... Hopefully it's still there come 5 o'clock.

As if he needed any other reason to want to beat England though...

Éire Abú!

No céad míle fáilte then Ulsterman?

The BODaughter has arrived sooner than expected then? That's great news and what dedication the Proud Da's starting this afternoon. I hope he has an awesome game. He'll certainly have a spring in his step.

Mon Ireland!

Hope the game's a good one and there's no injuries to anyone. Please!