N-G Dragons vs Glasgow Warriors

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GlasgowWarriors:

Murchie McGuigan Bennett Dunbar van der Merwe Weir Pyrgos; Reid MacArthur Welsh Swinson Ryder Eddie Barclay Wilson (c)

Subs: Price Fainga'anuku Low Gray Strauss Matawalu Wight Thomson

And the Messiah gets a start at last!

Taffineastbourne wrote:Have never seen so little heart from a Dragons side.I could not believe that I was watching professional Rugby players.Our lowest point on the pitch.Simply dreadful.

A dire performance and their biggest bashing since the advent of regionalism.
Do the players/coaches know something we don't?

Taffineastbourne wrote:Have never seen so little heart from a Dragons side.I could not believe that I was watching professional Rugby players.Our lowest point on the pitch.Simply dreadful.

Was the worst performance I have seen from a pro team in the modern era. Saw Glasgow in years gone by put similar displays in but that was in the days when we were pro in name only.

Of all the teams I would like to see Glasgow give a thrashing to the Dragons would be last. Always had a good laugh home and away, win, lose or the odd draw with the Dragons fans.

On that display the team don't deserve the loyal fan base it has.

Well done Glasgow . Depth in squad is excellent and Dunbar is starting to develop into an excellent centre.

Credit to the coaches!

Niko's interview at the end just makes him more endearing to the fans!

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:

On that display the team don't deserve the loyal fan base it has.

Agreed and these fans need to kick up a fuss with those running their team which i'm sure some of them did tonight after the final whistle.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Didn't realise that it is 5 years since a Scottish club last won a game at Dave Parade (Wighty via Muppet) - puts it all in perspective. Mon the Warriors

In the league maybe, but Glasgow beat us in the Heino in our 0/6 season when we were grouped with Toulouse and Wasps.

Steffan wrote:Hope Newport come back from this gotta get behind our regions after all

That's the spirit. Shame you and your disenfranchised lot didn't do that when you had your Valley Region.

Cardiff Dave wrote:Very depressing even though I wanted the jocks to win and I couldn't believe my eyes when Gerwyn Price came on as a replacement for Glasgow, so I did a google and found this;

"CROSS Keys director of rugby Jonathan Westwood has slammed the Newport Gwent Dragons for allowing home-grown talent like Gerwyn Price to slip through the net."

If we can't keep players like him in Wales then we really are in trouble.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/dragons/10203639.Keys_coach_hits_out_at_Dragons_as_Gerwyn_Price_heads_for_Glasgow/

If he had an injury on a medical, why should Dragons sign him?

Risca Rev wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Didn't realise that it is 5 years since a Scottish club last won a game at Dave Parade (Wighty via Muppet) - puts it all in perspective. Mon the Warriors

In the league maybe, but Glasgow beat us in the Heino in our 0/6 season when we were grouped with Toulouse and Wasps.

06? Thats 7 years ago?

Steffan wrote:

bsando wrote:Bad luck dragons fans, hope wru sort their s**t out with regions.

Why whats wrong with the current setup? Its perfect. People just need to get behind the fantastic regions we have in Wales

And yet your type want us to get behind a Valleys region on less of a budget? You're a genius.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Didn't realise that it is 5 years since a Scottish club last won a game at Dave Parade (Wighty via Muppet) - puts it all in perspective. Mon the Warriors

In the league maybe, but Glasgow beat us in the Heino in our 0/6 season when we were grouped with Toulouse and Wasps.

06? Thats 7 years ago?

Where did I say 06 genius? I said 0/6 or nought from six.

Besides which, if you're going to try correcting me, 7 years isn't 5 years, so I'm right anyway. Next.

Risca Rev wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Didn't realise that it is 5 years since a Scottish club last won a game at Dave Parade (Wighty via Muppet) - puts it all in perspective. Mon the Warriors

In the league maybe, but Glasgow beat us in the Heino in our 0/6 season when we were grouped with Toulouse and Wasps.

06? Thats 7 years ago?

Where did I say 06 genius? I said 0/6 or nought from six.

Haha you called me childish and look at this comment. It was a mistake. I thought it said 06. Easy mistake to make.

Risca Rev wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:Very depressing even though I wanted the jocks to win and I couldn't believe my eyes when Gerwyn Price came on as a replacement for Glasgow, so I did a google and found this;

"CROSS Keys director of rugby Jonathan Westwood has slammed the Newport Gwent Dragons for allowing home-grown talent like Gerwyn Price to slip through the net."

If we can't keep players like him in Wales then we really are in trouble.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/dragons/10203639.Keys_coach_hits_out_at_Dragons_as_Gerwyn_Price_heads_for_Glasgow/

If he had an injury on a medical, why should Dragons sign him?

He didn't look injured tonight.
Not having a dig at Newport GD by the way and I thought Cardiff might've signed him a year ago.

Risca Rev wrote:

Steffan wrote:

bsando wrote:Bad luck dragons fans, hope wru sort their s**t out with regions.

Why whats wrong with the current setup? Its perfect. People just need to get behind the fantastic regions we have in Wales

And yet your type want us to get behind a Valleys region on less of a budget? You're a genius.

Don't waste your breath going there Risca. Take it from me it's not worth it.

Meatball is back great team performance, I have to admit GT really seams to have the team buzzing

How did the messiah play? I seen he scored a try.

nice one weegies!

Congrats Glasgow - very much looking forward to watching the recording this weekend.

Fantastic performance, only negative is that Matu can't ever play for Scotland, he would have been an amazing 'project player' for us.
Dunbar was awesome, he looks faster than Matt Scott to me, great competition for the Scotland 12 shirt now.

Given that Dunbar started as a winger he ought to be!

Dunbar will perhaps be more likely an option for 13 for Scotland. I'd say Lamont is more vulnerable than Scott.

Well Bennett did actually look pretty good at 13 if I'm allowed to say that.

Dreadful game from a Dragons perspective. I still can't believe the final score.
Not a fan of the booing at the end of the game, we had some young players on that field who did well tonight (Dixon had a good game) and they don't deserved to be booed. the coaching staff however need to be looked at.

The Backs -
We have a lot of talent, a good blend of skill and strike runners BUT
How can we expect to break down defences but just simply standing in a long flat line and pass the ball along. We just hope that a player can beat someone one on one. Where are the runners, angles THE DEPTH!!!!
We look predictable with the ball. We have the players in that backline to cause problems.

MacKnocked-on wrote:Well Bennett did actually look pretty good at 13 if I'm allowed to say that.

I haven't seen it yet. Will let you know whether you're allowed to say it later!

Is he a Lions contender yet?

My mate who is a Pooler fan just text saying its one of the best results he has ever witnessed

I still can't believe it. Forget attracting new fans, keeping the current fans is going to be a struggle.

funnyExiledScot wrote:Given that Dunbar started as a winger he ought to be!

Dunbar will perhaps be more likely an option for 13 for Scotland. I'd say Lamont is more vulnerable than Scott.

Maybe Scott could shift to 13 and Dunbar could slot in at 12? I think Scott is the more versatile player.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

MacKnocked-on wrote:Well Bennett did actually look pretty good at 13 if I'm allowed to say that.

I haven't seen it yet. Will let you know whether you're allowed to say it later!

Is he a Lions contender yet?

Surely all Glasgow players are Lions contenders, even the NQ ones like DTH?

Steffan wrote:My mate who is a Pooler fan just text saying its one of the best results he has ever witnessed

Your mate can enjoy live in the doldrums can't he. He needs his region, as his "we are the famous Pontypool and we should be top flight" are a bunch of jokers.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Didn't realise that it is 5 years since a Scottish club last won a game at Dave Parade (Wighty via Muppet) - puts it all in perspective. Mon the Warriors

In the league maybe, but Glasgow beat us in the Heino in our 0/6 season when we were grouped with Toulouse and Wasps.

06? Thats 7 years ago?

Where did I say 06 genius? I said 0/6 or nought from six.

Haha you called me childish and look at this comment. It was a mistake. I thought it said 06. Easy mistake to make.

You tried to score points off me and failed. Better luck next time. It was hardly childish, just correcting your daft mistake. I'll grant you that this post is childish, but I'm in credit after your false accusation. Cheers

Does anyone have a link to highlights? Would be grateful.

it was on alba and willbe reshown on sunday appearing on the i player afterwards. I thnk STV do a highlights programme on sunday which will be available on their player

State of welsh rugby...

Risca Rev wrote:

Steffan wrote:My mate who is a Pooler fan just text saying its one of the best results he has ever witnessed

Your mate can enjoy live in the doldrums can't he. He needs his region, as his "we are the famous Pontypool and we should be top flight" are a bunch of jokers.

Rev,

Unfortunately thats still the view of a lot of people in Gwent and I imagine Ponty fans who would love nothing more than to see the Blues lose.

I have friends who openly support whoever the Dragons are playing and hope we get stuffed but and this is where I laugh at them and have many heated debates, they say once the Dragons fail we can go back to Ebbw being in the top flight.

Now don't get me wrong I have been for many years until recently a season ticket holder at ECP and when I am home visiting friends and family I still go down and watch them but since the days of the Merit Table (yes there are some who remember it) changed we have never been up there with the big boys.

Well done Glasgow. Its close but you deserved it in the end..

Dragons.... Surely the coaches can't stay after this season.

Impossible Standards wrote:Well done Glasgow. Its close but you deserved it in the end..

Dragons.... Surely the coaches can't stay after this season.

Sorry but Edwards has to go, when I looked at the pack I thought its not a bad pack Nimmo and Jones have some dog in the 2nd row and the back row have been the one good point most of the seasons.

But Edwards tinkers to much, I know its a squad game but why was Hughes on the bench, are Tuilagi and Chavanga injured?

Has Timmy Ryan been terrible?? He doesn't seem to be getting much gametime.

Has Timmy Ryan been terrible?? He doesn't seem to be getting much gametime.

Haven't seen anything of Tim Ryan. Made a couple of appearances off the bench in LV games but that's it. No idea what the dragons are doing with him.

orry but Edwards has to go, when I looked at the pack I thought its not a bad pack Nimmo and Jones have some dog in the 2nd row and the back row have been the one good point most of the seasons.

But Edwards tinkers to much, I know its a squad game but why was Hughes on the bench, are Tuilagi and Chavanga injured?

Edwards and his crew along with Beale and most of the board members have to go IMO. There is a mentality in place that has hindered the region for years. Also I think some players need to be released. Sorry I think Nimmo is a waste of wages, considering his size he lacks any go forward. I left the match with 15 mins to go. I have never done that before but I just couldn't take it any more.

Dragons badly need a leader out there in the POC, BOD, Kellock, Robshaw, Wilson R mould. It looked like you had some decent players out there but no plan and importantly no PlanB when the wheels began to come off. Same as Edinburgh a disparate bunch of good players with no leader and no tactical nous.

Just an observation and I would agree with poster above - of any of the Welsh regions I would rather have put the other 3 to the sword (claymore) than The Dragons.

bedfordwelsh wrote:
Sorry but Edwards has to go, when I looked at the pack I thought its not a bad pack Nimmo and Jones have some dog in the 2nd row and the back row have been the one good point most of the seasons.

But Edwards tinkers to much, I know its a squad game but why was Hughes on the bench, are Tuilagi and Chavanga injured?

It think your pack wasn't that bad, your scrum was good against a solid front row and the lineout was ok, it's back play and midfield defense that badly let you down.

I Sky+ed the match and watched it after MrsPip had toddled off. There's so much but also so little to say. Do we have a first choice, starting 15? Was that really our seconds? The biggest away win in the history of the Celtic league with most of our Scottish players on International duty?
The problem is just how awful were the Dragons?
Everyone in a Glasgow jersey looked good last night; Taylor, Bennett, Dunbar all scored, the pack were mighty- and to bring Strauss and Gray on as effectively third choices is wealth beyond belief- and the halfbacks worked well together.
The problem is just how awful were the Dragons?
I would suggest that rather than the result we should embrace the fact that Sean Lineen made Glasgow a really difficult team to beat but Toonie has taken us to a new level, one where players like Horne, Murchie, Dunbar, MacArthur, Fozzie are encouraged to express themselves and light up a game. Top marks Toonie!
Last point, Barclay's line and pass for Strauss's try were top drawer.

jimbopip wrote:I Sky+ed the match and watched it after MrsPip had toddled off. There's so much but also so little to say. Do we have a first choice, starting 15? Was that really our seconds? The biggest away win in the history of the Celtic league with most of our Scottish players on International duty?
The problem is just how awful were the Dragons?
Everyone in a Glasgow jersey looked good last night; Taylor, Bennett, Dunbar all scored, the pack were mighty- and to bring Strauss and Gray on as effectively third choices is wealth beyond belief- and the halfbacks worked well together.
The problem is just how awful were the Dragons?
I would suggest that rather than the result we should embrace the fact that Sean Lineen made Glasgow a really difficult team to beat but Toonie has taken us to a new level, one where players like Horne, Murchie, Dunbar, MacArthur, Fozzie are encouraged to express themselves and light up a game. Top marks Toonie!
Last point, Barclay's line and pass for Strauss's try were top drawer.

Jimbo,
take it you mean Taylor Paris ? But yes you have a point. I was aghast at Lineen's removal as my previous on here would stand testament to. Toonie however has taken us higher -albeit with a far better squad (Strauss, Mata and Maitland awesome signings) and far greater depth than SL could dream about. As one of the chaps watching in the club last night stated -"maybe Toonie is only a half muppet" - high praise indeed !

Just finished watching the game again, and I have to ask, just how good was Alex Dunbar?

He seemed to be involved with each of those beautiful flowing back moves, most of which resulted in tries. He broke tackles well and found space, and his offloading was simply outstanding. Take nothing away from Paris or Thomson, but their tries were both made by the strength in the tackles, and the offloading brilliance of Dunbar.

In the context of Scotland, I would be tempted to put Dunbar in at 12 with Scott at 13, although a case could be made for a reversal of this. Unfortunately, I think they both lack the ultimate pace needed to be permanent fixtures at outside centre, but we know that Schlong is not long for the game, and the 12-13 axis is one area of the backs which could be improved.

One word on Mark Bennett (well, a few, actually): I was impressed. His positioning in defence was good, he is strong when tackled, and he has vision for a gap. However, I have long suspected that he has a bit of an ego. A couple of times last night Glasgow had a clear overlap outside Bennett, and he dummied and cut inside. The first instance resulted in a try, the second was a wasted opportunity (although Swinson scored later in the move, so I'm not complaining too much). No doubt about Bennett's class and potential (if he can improve from here then... bloody hell), but a senior player needs to have a wee word with him about selfishness.

Seen the score and was litterally like "whoa." It's been quite surprsing to see people say Glasgow will be edged out of the play-offs by Scarlets and Munster. I think they're a good bet for the title this year.

Steffan wrote:My mate who is a Pooler fan just text saying its one of the best results he has ever witnessed

Was his name Ryan Miller by any chance?

Gave up watching after the immense back move that was a 12 crash ball inside the 10 that went under the posts virtually untouched (that was humiliating)

Spoke to friends this morning who said they have, and have never seen fans leave early from Dragons games and hundreds were heading for the exit just after the hour mark!!!

IanBru wrote:One word on Mark Bennett (well, a few, actually): I was impressed. His positioning in defence was good, he is strong when tackled, and he has vision for a gap. However, I have long suspected that he has a bit of an ego. A couple of times last night Glasgow had a clear overlap outside Bennett, and he dummied and cut inside. The first instance resulted in a try, the second was a wasted opportunity (although Swinson scored later in the move, so I'm not complaining too much). No doubt about Bennett's class and potential (if he can improve from here then... bloody hell), but a senior player needs to have a wee word with him about selfishness.

Could that not maybe just be bad decision making, rather than perceived arrogance. If it manifests itself over a string of games than maybe you could make that judgement, but after one?

EST wrote:

IanBru wrote:One word on Mark Bennett (well, a few, actually): I was impressed. His positioning in defence was good, he is strong when tackled, and he has vision for a gap. However, I have long suspected that he has a bit of an ego. A couple of times last night Glasgow had a clear overlap outside Bennett, and he dummied and cut inside. The first instance resulted in a try, the second was a wasted opportunity (although Swinson scored later in the move, so I'm not complaining too much). No doubt about Bennett's class and potential (if he can improve from here then... bloody hell), but a senior player needs to have a wee word with him about selfishness.

Could that not maybe just be bad decision making, rather than perceived arrogance. If it manifests itself over a string of games than maybe you could make that judgement, but after one?

He was the same for the under 20s last week. Mading breaks all over the pitch, because he rarely actually let the ball get past him. Thats fair enough if he isnt just getting caught by the defence, but what was slightly concerning was that he finished none of them.

Fair enough, I haven't seen enough of him to say one way or the other if he is an arrogant player.

I only watched the highlights of the U20, from what I remember he didn't give the ball after his first break because his support player was well covered in defence, after that I don't think he held onto the ball all that much, he certainly did one daft kick through which I suppose amounts to the same thing.

Dont get me wrong im not suggesting hes arrogant, just needs to brush up his decision making.

Yeah, arrogant wasn't the best choice of word. I was referring back to Iain saying he had a bit of an ego-which is what I meant to write.

I think he has probably spent all his rugby thus far making breaks at will, I'm sure a few weeks of DTH screaming for the pass will sort out the decision making.