Federer v De Bakker @Rotterdam

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 18:55

Federer has a break and consolidates. 4-1.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:41

Serving for the match @5-4.

by Henman Bill Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:42

Not sure if this was worthy of an article, but OK...

Serious cruise control/practice match/first gear attitude from Federer. Really strolling. Poor from De Bakker.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:43

63 minutes and done. Cool

by Henman Bill Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:43

Wow how long was that to serve for the match? 1 minute?

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:45

Henman Bill wrote:Not sure if this was worthy of an article, but OK...

Just wanted a bit of distraction from some serious topics. Wink

Henman Bill wrote:Serious cruise control/practice match/first gear attitude from Federer. Really strolling. Poor from De Bakker.

Very poor from de Bakker, indeed. Benneteau up next.

by lags72 Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 19:54

Three DF's from Fed and poor conversion of BP's ..... hardly at his best.... what was going on there .... Headscratch

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:04

Just never made it out of first gear. Wink

Let us see if Sijsling can continue his run after taking Tsonga out. Crying or Very sad

to see stands empty though.

by lags72 Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:07

Will final be a re-run of last year ....??

by socal1976 Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:21

What a terrible advert for fast court tennis I am sick and home from work and that match made me feel even more ill

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:25

socal1976 wrote:What a terrible advert for fast court tennis I am sick and home from work and that match made me feel even more ill

Rotterdam was changed from a Fast court to a slower court. Wink

Use the off button when necessary.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:29

lags72 wrote:Will final be a re-run of last year ....??

Benne can life hard for Federer. Del Potro has two tough ones. Nieminen in not playing that badly. Baggy/Dimi will be interesting.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:32

Sijsling.

Was he watching de Bakker match earlier, I think so?

by socal1976 Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 20:41

This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 22:13

socal1976 wrote:This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

I counted many a rally of 10+ shots in Klizan-Sijsling match on a so called fast court.

It is Crying or Very sad

to see folks being unable to return a 214kmph serve from Gulbis down the T, oh but wait, it was Del Potro at 6'6" unable to return serve, the same Del Potro who won an Olympic Medal on Grass, IIRC?

10 shots between Baggy-Gasquet at 6-3, 2-1, 40-15 (re-run). Laugh

Is your Tennis Channel on?

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 22:13

Federer smokes De Bakker

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 22:29

JuliusHMarx wrote:Federer smokes De Bakker

de Bugger? Wink

by Chydremion Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 22:59

socal1976 wrote:This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

Every big four against average player match will be awful stuff. Djokovic vs De Bakker at Australian Open won't be more enjoyable than this match at Rotterdam. Nothing to do with fast courts.

by bogbrush Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 23:32

You're feeding it.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 23:34

bogbrush wrote:You're feeding it.

by **laverfan** Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 23:39

Chydremion wrote:
socal1976 wrote:This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

Every big four against average player match will be awful stuff. Djokovic vs De Bakker at Australian Open won't be more enjoyable than this match at Rotterdam. Nothing to do with fast courts.

15-shot rally on the same court between Bachinger v Nieminen second set 3-2 in the sixth game. Cool

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 0:19

laverfan wrote:
bogbrush wrote:You're feeding it.

What bb doesn't realize is that no one has ever fed me as much as he has. I am starting to look like empanada dave

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 0:23

Chydremion wrote:
socal1976 wrote:This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

Every big four against average player match will be awful stuff. Djokovic vs De Bakker at Australian Open won't be more enjoyable than this match at Rotterdam. Nothing to do with fast courts.

Even by the low standards you described this match was particularly boring. Federer did not do anything particularly fun to watch either

by invisiblecoolers Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 1:58

socal1976 wrote:
Chydremion wrote:
socal1976 wrote:This court looks pretty quick to me and the tennis looks like 1999 just awful stuff all around.

Every big four against average player match will be awful stuff. Djokovic vs De Bakker at Australian Open won't be more enjoyable than this match at Rotterdam. Nothing to do with fast courts.

Even by the low standards you described this match was particularly boring. Federer did not do anything particularly fun to watch either

Fed was half a sleep most part of the match.

by lydian Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 8:57

Agree...agricultural tennis from the likes of De Bakker or Granollers is unappealing no matter what surface you stick them on. It's amazing how highly effective pro tennis players can be so boring to watch...

by **laverfan** Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 13:07

Dimi-Baggy is very interesting. The racquet break notwithstanding.

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 16:32

I got it recording at home LF. But I think people should watche these faster tournaments, dubai, rotterdam, cincy, paris etc. and see if they prefer the points and the play to the slower hardcourts. I personally have found these tournaments and the style of play to be among the worst on tour.

by TRuffin Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 18:25

socal1976 wrote:I got it recording at home LF. But I think people should watche these faster tournaments, dubai, rotterdam, cincy, paris etc. and see if they prefer the points and the play to the slower hardcourts. I personally have found these tournaments and the style of play to be among the worst on tour.

Rotterdam is not a fast court.. Medium at best. It's just indoors removes the elements and allows more aggression. Watch Cinci for fast courts and it's beautiful tennis.

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 18:31

Cincy is usually an awful tournament ruffin, hardly what I call beautiful tennis. Players dying in the humidity and withdrawals all over the place as everyone wants to be in NY.

What do you think about my idea of moving cincy up to two weeks after wimby and playing it on grass, like the US grass court championship. I go to Indian Wells most years, and I feel like Cincy would be helped by being unique and having a change of scheduling as well.

by Chydremion Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 18:45

socal1976 wrote:Cincy is usually an awful tournament ruffin, hardly what I call beautiful tennis. Players dying in the humidity and withdrawals all over the place as everyone wants to be in NY.

What do you think about my idea of moving cincy up to two weeks after wimby and playing it on grass, like the US grass court championship. I go to Indian Wells most years, and I feel like Cincy would be helped by being unique and having a change of scheduling as well.

It would be great to have the 5th slam be played on grass.

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 18:57

Please cincy being the fifth slam is pretty funny. With all due respect in attendance, prize money, and ratings it is pretty hard to compete with Indian Wells right now. First masters of the year as well, and the men and women compete together. If anything is the 5th slam it is the masters final in london, and if anything is the 6th slam it is Indian wells. Cincy isn't even the leading masters in the USA, clearly 3rd to IW and Miami.

by **laverfan** Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 19:34

Bene beating up on Federer. Laugh

by Jahu Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 19:38

Fed should go home, what a appalling state of play, he's fading match by match.

I'll call his mom now to tell him to call his career quits.

by User 774433 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:04

Fantastic performance from Federer.
clap

But he couldn't cut it against Goatetteau

by **laverfan** Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:05

Benneteau beats Federer, he was close at W. He did beat him Paris.

by lydian Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:09

I think even though Benne lost at W it was a win in a way because he doesn't fear him anymore. To be fair, he's a very decent player.

Looks like Baby-Fed is starting to come of age...one of the better players to watch.

by **laverfan** Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:11

lydian wrote:I think even though Benne lost at W it was a win in a way because he doesn't fear him anymore. To be fair, he's a very decent player.

I agree. Federer donated the first set today.

by Chydremion Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:15

laverfan wrote:Bene beating up on Federer.

Why do you find that funny???

by lydian Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:18

To be fair he was doing the same at Wimb before he injured himself and lost his nerve. Don't think Fed likes the match-up with him. One of his bogeymen.

by hawkeye Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:25

Chydremion wrote:
laverfan wrote:Bene beating up on Federer.

Why do you find that funny???

laverfan. I get the impression that you quite enjoy it when either Federer or Nadal lose. Are you not a fan of the Fedal era?

I have just seen the result. And using the words of IMBL what a load of "Frak Poopie" (although I doubt if IMBL would use these particular words about this particular match). But maybe it's no big loss. Has any decent player ever won in Rotterdam? Also I liked Rogers shirt...

by User 774433 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:29

hawkeye wrote:Has any decent player ever won in Rotterdam?

No, not really.

by lags72 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:33

Strange post there from you there laverfan. Bit like something from one of the part-time tennis "fans" who pop up from time to time from other forums.

Anyway, moving on ........well played Bennetteau. He's produced enough good form recently to show that he can take a big scalp on a good day, even though his overall career record has hardly sparkled. All credit clap

The Federer serve seemed to have stayed at his hotel room rather than on the court, the stats were so much worse than in his earlier rounds - but again that could be partly down to Benne.

Only the other day I said that it would be nigh on impossible to defend the mass of points he accumulated in the first half of last year. In the whole of 2012 he only failed to make semis or better on two occasions, but already in February he's looking vulnerable.

These are just the sort of losses I am convinced will begin to feature with more than just occasional frequency as has almost always been the case to date.

by sportslover Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:40

It Must Be Love wrote:
hawkeye wrote:Has any decent player ever won in Rotterdam?
No, not really.

We know HE tennis knowledge is limited but you should know better!

For a start who won it last year doh

Past Champions
Year Draws Singles Doubles
2012 S|D Roger Federer Michael Llodra / Nenad Zimonjic
2011 S|D Robin Soderling Jurgen Melzer / Philipp Petzschner
2010 S|D Robin Soderling Daniel Nestor / Nenad Zimonjic
2009 S|D Andy Murray Daniel Nestor / Nenad Zimonjic
2008 S|D Michael Llodra Tomas Berdych / Dmitry Tursunov
2007 S|D Mikhail Youzhny Martin Damm / Leander Paes
2006 S|D Radek Stepanek Paul Hanley / Kevin Ullyett
2005 S|D Roger Federer Jonathan Erlich / Andy Ram
2004 S|D Lleyton Hewitt Paul Hanley / Radek Stepanek
2003 S|D Max Mirnyi Wayne Arthurs / Paul Hanley
2002 S|D Nicolas Escude Roger Federer / Max Mirnyi
2001 S|D Nicolas Escude Jonas Bjorkman / Roger Federer
2000 S|D Cedric Pioline David Adams / John-Laffnie de Jager
1999 S|D Yevgeny Kafelnikov David Adams / John-Laffnie de Jager
1998 S|D Jan Siemerink Jacco Eltingh / Paul Haarhuis
1997 S|D Richard Krajicek Jacco Eltingh / Paul Haarhuis
1996 S|D Goran Ivanisevic David Adams / Marius Barnard
1995 S|D Richard Krajicek Martin Damm / Anders Jarryd
1994 S|D Michael Stich Jeremy Bates / Jonas Bjorkman
1993 S|D Anders Jarryd Henrik Holm / Anders Jarryd
1992 S|D Boris Becker Marc-Kevin Goellner / David Prinosil
1991 S|D Omar Camporese Patrick Galbraith / Anders Jarryd
1990 S|D Brad Gilbert Leonardo Lavalle / Jorge Lozano
1989 S|D Jakob Hlasek Miloslav Mecir Sr. / Milan Srejber
1988 S|D Stefan Edberg Patrik Kuhnen / Tore Meinecke
1987 S|D Stefan Edberg Stefan Edberg / Anders Jarryd
1986 S|D Joakim Nystrom Stefan Edberg / Slobodan Zivojinovic
1985 S|D Miloslav Mecir Sr. Pavel Slozil / Tomas Smid
1984 S|D Kevin Curren / Wojtek Fibak
1983 S|D Gene Mayer Fritz Buehning / Tom Gullikson
1982 S|D Guillermo Vilas Mark Edmondson / Sherwood Stewart
1981 S|D Jimmy Connors Fritz Buehning / Ferdi Taygan
1980 S|D Heinz Gunthardt Vijay Amritraj / Stan Smith
1979 S|D Bjorn Borg Peter Fleming / John McEnroe
1978 S|D Jimmy Connors Fred McNair / Raul Ramirez
1977 S|D Dick Stockton Wojtek Fibak / Tom Okker
1976 S|D Arthur Ashe Rod Laver / Frew McMillan
1975 S|D Arthur Ashe Bob Hewitt / Frew McMillan
1974 S|D Tom Okker Bob Hewitt / Frew McMillan
1972 S|D Arthur Ashe Roy Emerson / John Newcombe

Must try harder IMBL lol

by hawkeye Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:41

Right! Neil Harman is really getting on my nerves now. This is what he has just tweeted

Julien Benneteau really ought to have beaten The Fed at Wimbledon last summer. He is playing some special tennis in Rotterdam right now

https://twitter.com/neilharmantimes

Rolling Eyes

It doesn't take three guesses to figure out why he wishes that Wimbledon result could be different. And it has nothing to do with how "special" he thinks Benneteau is. In fact quite the opposite...Noticed he's also been annoying Djokovic fans today for similar reasons. Pfft!

by User 774433 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:42

sportslover wrote:
It Must Be Love wrote:
hawkeye wrote:Has any decent player ever won in Rotterdam?
No, not really.

We know HE tennis knowledge is limited but you should know better!

For a start who won it last year doh

Past Champions
Year Draws Singles Doubles
2012 S|D Roger Federer Michael Llodra / Nenad Zimonjic
2011 S|D Robin Soderling Jurgen Melzer / Philipp Petzschner
2010 S|D Robin Soderling Daniel Nestor / Nenad Zimonjic
2009 S|D Andy Murray Daniel Nestor / Nenad Zimonjic
2008 S|D Michael Llodra Tomas Berdych / Dmitry Tursunov
2007 S|D Mikhail Youzhny Martin Damm / Leander Paes
2006 S|D Radek Stepanek Paul Hanley / Kevin Ullyett
2005 S|D Roger Federer Jonathan Erlich / Andy Ram
2004 S|D Lleyton Hewitt Paul Hanley / Radek Stepanek
2003 S|D Max Mirnyi Wayne Arthurs / Paul Hanley
2002 S|D Nicolas Escude Roger Federer / Max Mirnyi
2001 S|D Nicolas Escude Jonas Bjorkman / Roger Federer
2000 S|D Cedric Pioline David Adams / John-Laffnie de Jager
1999 S|D Yevgeny Kafelnikov David Adams / John-Laffnie de Jager
1998 S|D Jan Siemerink Jacco Eltingh / Paul Haarhuis
1997 S|D Richard Krajicek Jacco Eltingh / Paul Haarhuis
1996 S|D Goran Ivanisevic David Adams / Marius Barnard
1995 S|D Richard Krajicek Martin Damm / Anders Jarryd
1994 S|D Michael Stich Jeremy Bates / Jonas Bjorkman
1993 S|D Anders Jarryd Henrik Holm / Anders Jarryd
1992 S|D Boris Becker Marc-Kevin Goellner / David Prinosil
1991 S|D Omar Camporese Patrick Galbraith / Anders Jarryd
1990 S|D Brad Gilbert Leonardo Lavalle / Jorge Lozano
1989 S|D Jakob Hlasek Miloslav Mecir Sr. / Milan Srejber
1988 S|D Stefan Edberg Patrik Kuhnen / Tore Meinecke
1987 S|D Stefan Edberg Stefan Edberg / Anders Jarryd
1986 S|D Joakim Nystrom Stefan Edberg / Slobodan Zivojinovic
1985 S|D Miloslav Mecir Sr. Pavel Slozil / Tomas Smid
1984 S|D Kevin Curren / Wojtek Fibak
1983 S|D Gene Mayer Fritz Buehning / Tom Gullikson
1982 S|D Guillermo Vilas Mark Edmondson / Sherwood Stewart
1981 S|D Jimmy Connors Fritz Buehning / Ferdi Taygan
1980 S|D Heinz Gunthardt Vijay Amritraj / Stan Smith
1979 S|D Bjorn Borg Peter Fleming / John McEnroe
1978 S|D Jimmy Connors Fred McNair / Raul Ramirez
1977 S|D Dick Stockton Wojtek Fibak / Tom Okker
1976 S|D Arthur Ashe Rod Laver / Frew McMillan
1975 S|D Arthur Ashe Bob Hewitt / Frew McMillan
1974 S|D Tom Okker Bob Hewitt / Frew McMillan
1972 S|D Arthur Ashe Roy Emerson / John Newcombe

Must try harder IMBL lol

SL... I was being sarcastic lol
I watched the Del Potro Fed final last year, I know that Fed won censored

by User 774433 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:42

hawkeye wrote:Right! Neil Harman is really getting on my nerves now. This is what he has just tweeted

Julien Benneteau really ought to have beaten The Fed at Wimbledon last summer. He is playing some special tennis in Rotterdam right now

https://twitter.com/neilharmantimes

It doesn't take three guesses to figure out why he wishes that Wimbledon result could be different. And it has nothing to do with how "special" he thinks Benneteau is. In fact quite the opposite...Noticed he's also been annoying Djokovic fans today for similar reasons. Pfft!

Didn't Benneteau get injured after falling when 2 sets up?

by hawkeye Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:46

sportslover. I admit 1979 was a vintage year.

by hawkeye Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:49

It Must Be Love wrote:
hawkeye wrote:Right! Neil Harman is really getting on my nerves now. This is what he has just tweeted

Julien Benneteau really ought to have beaten The Fed at Wimbledon last summer. He is playing some special tennis in Rotterdam right now

https://twitter.com/neilharmantimes

It doesn't take three guesses to figure out why he wishes that Wimbledon result could be different. And it has nothing to do with how "special" he thinks Benneteau is. In fact quite the opposite...Noticed he's also been annoying Djokovic fans today for similar reasons. Pfft!
Didn't Benneteau get injured after falling when 2 sets up?

If that was the case then ( Rolling Eyes

) x 2!

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:56

It Must Be Love wrote:
hawkeye wrote:Right! Neil Harman is really getting on my nerves now. This is what he has just tweeted

Julien Benneteau really ought to have beaten The Fed at Wimbledon last summer. He is playing some special tennis in Rotterdam right now

https://twitter.com/neilharmantimes

It doesn't take three guesses to figure out why he wishes that Wimbledon result could be different. And it has nothing to do with how "special" he thinks Benneteau is. In fact quite the opposite...Noticed he's also been annoying Djokovic fans today for similar reasons. Pfft!
Didn't Benneteau get injured after falling when 2 sets up?

I think his career was ripped apart by injuries Smile

by socal1976 Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 20:57

damn it you guys ruined my DVR viewing once I get off work. Oh well I will certainly watch the fed benny match now! Good work for Benny, he is a very elegant and talented player should have beat fed at wimby frankly this is at least a small amount of compensation for that. Nothing like starting the weekend with a fed loss in a tournament he won last year, Novak sits at home and watches his points lead grow. If I didn't have a the watered down version of the hanta virus I would bust open the mac!

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