Do former internationals make better national coaches
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Do former international players make better coaches of national sides
Do former internationals make better national coaches
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Just wondering if former internationals make better coaches. In NZ we generally believe that you can't be an AB's coach if you haven't played for them. My feeling is no. I think they are probably the greatest specialist coaches. My feeling is that head coaches are in effect managers and there is no reason why people who haven't played at the very top can't be as good or better.
Here's some examples:
NZ
Sir Brian Lochore 1985–1987 Former All Black, ok as coach
Alex Wyllie 1988–1991 Former All Black, great coach
Laurie Mains 1992–1995 Former All Black, bloody aweful as coach
John Hart 1996–1999 very good coach coach
Wayne Smith 2000–2001 Former All Black, ok as coach
John Mitchell 2002–2003 Former All Black, good coach
Sir Graham Henry 2004–2011 great coach
Steve Hansen 1012- To early to say
Other coaches who i don't think represented their country as players include Lancaster, Ashton, Rowell and Cooke - England; Dwyer, Smith Jones, MacQuuen, Connelly - Australia, McIntosh, Christie, White De Villiers and Meyer - South Africa.
Just wondering if former internationals make better coaches. In NZ we generally believe that you can't be an AB's coach if you haven't played for them. My feeling is no. I think they are probably the greatest specialist coaches. My feeling is that head coaches are in effect managers and there is no reason why people who haven't played at the very top can't be as good or better.
Here's some examples:
NZ
Sir Brian Lochore 1985–1987 Former All Black, ok as coach
Alex Wyllie 1988–1991 Former All Black, great coach
Laurie Mains 1992–1995 Former All Black, bloody aweful as coach
John Hart 1996–1999 very good coach coach
Wayne Smith 2000–2001 Former All Black, ok as coach
John Mitchell 2002–2003 Former All Black, good coach
Sir Graham Henry 2004–2011 great coach
Steve Hansen 1012- To early to say
Other coaches who i don't think represented their country as players include Lancaster, Ashton, Rowell and Cooke - England; Dwyer, Smith Jones, MacQuuen, Connelly - Australia, McIntosh, Christie, White De Villiers and Meyer - South Africa.
blackcanelion- Posts : 1989
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
Cheers mister
For the record I agree with you, but not for his international coaching/management credentials, he's just not British or Irish!
For the record I agree with you, but not for his international coaching/management credentials, he's just not British or Irish!
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
I've read your comments on this forum and (no offence) I've heard better and more reasoned argument from a lunatic dad on the sidelines at a junior game. It sounds like you've read the odd manual (and like to quote it but largely misunderstood it).thebluesmancometh wrote:You may not be but I am amply qualified!
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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thats allright blues... I would to give us normal lads a chance an all!!
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
Cyril
That says more about you than it does me mate
Mister
When I get the chance to take us to NZ in 4 years I'll give you a tinkle as an advisor
That says more about you than it does me mate
Mister
When I get the chance to take us to NZ in 4 years I'll give you a tinkle as an advisor
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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As I said, I'm no expert either.thebluesmancometh wrote:Cyril
That says more about you than it does me mate
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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On the rugby or on forum interperetation into career prospects?
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
On being a Lions coach.
Though it is pretty easy to tell when someone is blagging it.
Though it is pretty easy to tell when someone is blagging it.
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
Really which Lions coaches have 'blagged it' then?
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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What are you on about?
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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Well you claim it's easy to spot lions coaches who 'blagged it', lets hear them?
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
I'm talking about prospective ones.
The 'prospective' bit being only in their noggin.
The 'prospective' bit being only in their noggin.
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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Re: Do former internationals make better national coaches
So which perspective coaches were blagging it when applying for Gats job then?
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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"perspective"?
What perspective?
What perspective?
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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hahaha
The last actions of a defeated man!
The last actions of a defeated man!
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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Well, come on. It's a completely different word!
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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OK youve bored me now mate, take care.
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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Fair enough dude.
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