Wrestlemania 29 (will contain spoilers)

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The night WWE bottled it?

Most memorable moment of the night was Mark Henry winning a match by literally squashing somebody.

All good matches, no amazing moments.

Personal highlights:

Daniel Bryan getting the arena into 'YES' chants.
Mark Henry literally squashing Ryback.
CM Punk doing the whole Undertaker routine.
Brock Lesnar's beast moments, he looks genuinely terrifying, shouldn't speak though...
Michael Cole exclaiming after Cena hit the Rock Bottom; "That's the Rock's move!" Thank you Michael.

But the biggest question has to be what was special? Everything went almost totally as predicted, Big Show was the only heel turn of the night when there was potential for a few, The Shield had a good showing but might fade if they're not seen as an actual threat, surely once they get through the first line of defence, they should be a danger to all the matches again? Swagger-Del Rio was a match that needed a shock, but failed to deliver, Ziggler didn't win the tag titles, but didn't even tease, never mind achieve, a cash in. Rock-Cena was an okay match, but the ending flopped, the live crowd were vocally against it and the whole thing stank. WWE can't turn a blind eye to the hatred towards Cena anymore. If he doesn't want to turn heel because of his charity work, then WWE have to move him from the main event scene because he's become stale, he can't keep pretending to be face, he gets booed when he's in his home town for Christ's sake! It's embarrassing to keep up the charade any longer.

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No the match was not over before Show turned. Show stood there watching Orton get pinned and had no intention of helping his team mate. At this stage everybody knew he was no longer on their side. The team of great individuals may not have won if Show decided to do something, to me that makes their win cheap, unlike their previous wins where they actually overcame the odds to come out on top.

Also Mr H, to your comment about Mania being the feud ender, can you explain to me why Rock vs Cena has been the main event for 3 years running? Up until this year Taker vs HHH/HBK was given to us 4 years in a row. Hardly feud ending matches were they?

Doesn't that sell them as a team. Show watches Orton lose, while the Shield worked as a whole to put down Orton.

Well looks like there carrying on with the tacky side plates on the WWE title anyway judging by this tshirt....

Cena WWE Title

GSC wrote:Doesn't that sell them as a team. Show watches Orton lose, while the Shield worked as a whole to put down Orton.

Couldn't they have just won clean and then Show could knock Sheamus/Orton out after the match? The fact that he had an opportunity to save his team mate but opted not to makes the Shield's win look cheap.

CenaNuff wrote:No the match was not over before Show turned. Show stood there watching Orton get pinned and had no intention of helping his team mate. At this stage everybody knew he was no longer on their side. The team of great individuals may not have won if Show decided to do something, to me that makes their win cheap, unlike their previous wins where they actually overcame the odds to come out on top.

Also Mr H, to your comment about Mania being the feud ender, can you explain to me why Rock vs Cena has been the main event for 3 years running? Up until this year Taker vs HHH/HBK was given to us 4 years in a row. Hardly a feud ending matches were they?

I think you're being extremely pernickity, I didn't know Show was not on their side, I knew he was annoyed but I felt it showed Orton to be more selfish than Show, we all knew there was going to be a turn on this match, we just edxpected it to be Orton, the facts are Orton tagged himself in anf got pinned for his troubles, Show turned on him AFTER the match

Also as for you questioning the feud ender comment, I'd say historically feuds are supposed to peak at WrestleMania, The Rock/Cena was the culmination of a two year storyline, The Undertaker/Shawn Michaels was a 15 month storyline and HHH/Taker was a 14 month storyline, when these guys don't face each other much if any then they save their matches for the biggest of occassions, sometimes one WrestleMania match just isn't enough which was the case for Taker/Shawn and Cena/Rock...I could have done without Trips/Taker though

The whole selling point of the Shield is they compete with the star names because they're a team. They won the match because they were the better team, whereas Show's ego got in the way.

@Mr H


Wrestlemania is the feud ender? Usually the re-matches happen at EC.

Why should they have to rely on Show's ego getting in the way to come out on top? At Elimination Chamber they did not have to rely on any egos getting in the way when they were vs Ryback, Sheamus and Cena, nor did they the following day when Jericho replaced Cena, nor did they at TLC vs Ryback and the Tag Champions. They won because they looked a credible team capable of knocking off the best in the business, so why considering all their victories in the past did they need Show's ego to be the decisive factor in a match on the 'grandest stage of all'?

They could easily have turned show AFTER the match and still made the Shield look strong. I really can't comprehend why anybody would suggest otherwise. The win just looked cheap.

Feuds tend to peak at WrestleMania, sometimes that means the ending of the feud sometimes not

The whole dynamic of the match was Show, Orton and Sheamus have to work together to win. They were on course until they stopped doing so. Agree with KF just being pernickity now.

The Shield need to be put in a feud with Hell No and let then run with the titles for at least 3)6 months. You can then also showcase the team ethic more. Then have them drop them to a top,top babyface tag team.

Not kofi,not sin cara,not try,not t-truth,not your generic face. Maybe a team from nxt which they can build.

CenaNuff wrote:Why should they have to rely on Show's ego getting in the way to come out on top? At Elimination Chamber they did not have to rely on any egos getting in the way when they were vs Ryback, Sheamus and Cena, nor did they the following day when Jericho replaced Cena, nor did they at TLC vs Ryback and the Tag Champions. They won because they looked a credible team capable of knocking off the best in the business, so why considering all their victories in the past did they need Show's ego to be the decisive factor in a match on the 'grandest stage of all'?

They could easily have turned show AFTER the match and still made the Shield look strong. I really can't comprehend why anybody would suggest otherwise. The win just looked cheap.

Erm the turn did happen AFTER the match, the whole story of the match was that one unit is more in tune than three individual former World Champions, basic logic and pretty hard to believe people didn't understand this part

I mean all they went on about pre match was can Show, Orton and Sheamus co exist.

The HEEL turn happened during the match when Big Show did the HEEL thing by not helping his FACE team mates vs HEEL opposition.

I'm glad KF knows what I mean. Typically big fueds culminate at Wrestlemania but of course there are exceptions.

To me it was that can Big Show be trusted after he seemingly turned face 2 weeks ago but as the match progressed he was getting more peed.

To me if The Shield have beaten all the other teams what would suggest they wouldn't beat this?

Another case of suspending your beliefs.

CenaNuff wrote:The HEEL turn happened during the match when Big Show did the HEEL thing by not helping his FACE team mates vs HEEL opposition.

The heel turn really didn't happen during the match, what you saw was the big bad guy of the team being a bad loser when his face team mate became selfish and stole his thunder, again though, its quite basic, the three individuals couldn't work as a unit like the proper team, it was the whole flow of the storyline, what would be the point of a storyline if it didn't make sense?

shows how poor wrestlemania was that the show opener and big shows 100th heel turn is the most talked about topic in the 606v2 universe.

VoiceOftheVoiceless - Nice find regards the t-shirt.

Whats the betting he wears that out tonight. More merchandise sales for the David Beckham of the wrestling world!!

The whole 'Our Time is Now' is going to be played out so much in the coming weeks I can feel myself getting nauseous already. At least 75% of the crowd will be booing him every single week yet he will stand there ignoring it and telling us 'The Cenation are back on top...were here to stay...Our time is now because you can hit me with 3 Rock Bottoms and 2 peoples elbows but still cant put me away!!

Before I start my views of Mania, I'll point out that £18 is a snip compared to the $64.99 I had to pay, I'm on holiday the US at the moment, so the plus was watching at a reasonable time for once.

On to the actual show I gave it a 6.5/10, nothing special happened, though the matches were solid, this keeps with my theory that odd numbered Manias suck these days, while even numbered ones are great.

The first hour really killed the show for me, and it never recovered.

The Shield vs Big Shady: felt like just a match to get the three singles guys on the card, Reigns was the standout of the match for me again I love the way he walks to the ring seperate from the other two, along with Rollins who has a great future ahead of him. The match had a few good moments like Sheamus' rolling firemans carry on Ambrose and Rollins, along with the midair RKO, I had high hopes actually at this point.

Ryback vs Mark Henry: awful, just an awful match. Rybacks star has really fallen, was the end a botch? Looked like it to me. Not sure where either go from here, though the fued will likely end at Extreme Rules. Are man that was awful, least we got the shell shocked.

Team Hell No vs Big Z: I actually really liked this, the kiss at the beggining was great, for a second I though history might repeat itself (a lot of beer helped by this point). Big E did himself no harm in this, not as green as I thought, Bryan and Ziggler surely need more PPV singles matches down the line, they will be show stealers. Where do the champs go from here? Not sure, Zigglers going to be cashing in sooner or later, I'm banking it might be tonight or in the next few weeks now.

Jericho vs Fandango: why was Barrett vs Miz not here instead? Jericho has never been a top draw guy just a good workhorse. Never been a fan of roll up wins, the Lionsault spot was screwed up aswell. Credit to Curtis, he"s embraced his character fully, and he has more ability than I expected. That capped off a fairly woeful first hour. Similar to last year.

Swagger vs Del Rio: this felt five minutes too short for me, I was expecting a good match due to boths backgrounds, but it never seemed to click right. The video package before hand was superb, credit as always to the production, of course it ment we missed Swaggers entrance for some bizzare reason on a camo dune buggy. The end screamed Ziggler cash in, I was willing it to happen, as I said before it will happen soon. Considering this was a three and a half hour PPV that was advertised as four, this match really suffered the most. Could have been much better all round.

Taker vs Punk: match of the night? Yes. Match of the year? There will hopefully be better. Technically I enjoyed it, Punks Old school was brilliant, it never had that moment where I thought the streak would end though unlike last years SCM/Pedigree combo, did Punks GTS actually hit Taker? Punk kicking out of the Tombstone was the one moment that made me leap up. Also what was up with announce table spot, looked terribly messed up to me. Still by far the best match, drained the crowd unfortunately who sounded quiet all night from the TV coverage, might have been different live.

Triple H vs Lesnar: this match is really down to how you wrestling, I don't mind a slow war now and again, the crowd was dead for this however. Lesnar losing doesn't bother me to much, he looked like a monster through out the match, HBK did nothing for me always felt like he was there just to give Heyman some Sweet Chin Music, Heyman was great aswell the little things he does like snatching the chair out of the ring are what makes his character that damn good. Triple H winning for me does hint that in the future he will have a Vince style role of wrestling occasionally as he becomes the boss of the company.

Rock vs Cena: I won't go complaining about why didn't Cena turn heel, as that's just a minor problem, instead I'll focus on the major problems. First off this match was rumoured to be around 50 minutes long including entrances, it was more like half an hour tops. I was happy we didn't have a promo prior as we'de had about four promos shoved down our throats already that night, these probably cut out the backstage stuff, and also the Funks of Ton match. Onto the match itself, wow the timing was off here right from the start, I'de drank a hell of a lot by this stage aswell, how many finishers did we get one after another? Was that four Rock Bottoms and a Peoples Elbow Cena managed to power out of almost instantly? The highlight for me was Rock trying a five knuckle shuffle only to get an AA, and Cena trying a elbow again(in quite a heelish cocky way I must add) only for Rock to fail catching off guard, before another Rock Bottom. Rock kicked out of three AAs and a Rock Bottom aswell I think. Damn that match fell a long way short of last years, and that wasn't a classic by any meens. The handshake after was cheesy and boring, why did Rocks music play when he lost anyway? WWE really need to stop kissing his ass so often, I get that he's a Hollywood star, but jeez he lost he'll still come back stronger than ever.

I'm hoping Extreme Rules that usually has a habit of pulling out a good show will make up for some of this. Will I watch Raw tonight? Of course, but I'm not expecting much other than a Cena thanking everyone promo.

Still it wasn't as bad as Wrestlemania 27, but never came close to being as good as Wrestlemania 24 my favourite PPV of all time, that's another debate though.

I love that name Big Shady.

The crowd was dead for a few I'm gonna guess because it was reasonably cold if you hadn't planned ahead, the pillars of the stage blocked the view, the 3 main events lined up and the best one was first and the main final event was a bit meh cos there was a mix of Cena haters, kids, casuals and smarks who came to protest a match they had yet to see.

I bloody loved it, for reasons more than just being there. If Cena v Rock hadn't showcased super Cena at his most belligerent then it would have been a good match with a bad finish, but they had to have him be unbeatable.

Like many said beforehand, there's a lot of logic to the booking and it wasn't about the attitude era where shock was all they catered for.

Missed a big chance to pop Ziggler and to turn Cena heel, but if they have Cena planned for Taker next year then face Cena would draw big.

I did laugh at someone on twitter moaning about Fandango debuting and saying TNA had proven itself the better product. Those 3 main events were huge and all delivered, even if they didnt deliver the sweetest prize of a heel turn. Tis a 'sport' too, being disappointed about a result is part of life

I enjoyed the ending of Cena-Rock tbh. Had a few twists, hinted at either result. Cena baiting the Rock with the people elbow, then getting rock bottomed was a pretty good sequence

Just watched the 1st two matches (again for me) with my boys.

The Shield v Big Shandy

Good opening match tbh, love some of the crowd chanting 'lets go Ambrose', interesting to see Orton miss his position for Rollins spot. Thought it was decent storytelling through the match too. My boys all thought the good guys would win and asked if Big Show was a baddie again afterwards. They also liked the bit the Shield were going for the triple powerbomb.

Ryback v Henry

Wow Ryback is still so green in the ring its untrue. For someone that supposedly Vince is huge on he really needs to spend less time lifting weights and more time on basic ring skills. Surprised they didn't give Ryback a debut Mania win, they could have easily started a new streak there. Expect a return win at Extreme Rules. My youngest is a big Ryback fan, he was impressed with Ryback lifting him up but gutted he lost.

They've been sent to bed now, next batch of matches tomorrow evening.

A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

Mr H wrote:A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

I think it was more to do with how boring the matches were really apart from undertaker/punk match and possibly triple h/lesnar. the rock vs cena was just false finish after false finish that was it

The matches were all pretty good.

Mr H wrote:A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

I was one of the people that said it was going to be predictable and it was, I did also say that a heel turn might happen but that doesn't change the fact that I predicted a Cena win, it was obviously going to happen...the heel turn was more of wishful thinking. All three main events were predictable, of course you couldn't predict them move for move but I'd say most wrestling fans saw the results coming.

GSC wrote:The matches were all pretty good.

I disagree but each to their own

I don't think any of the matches were bad, Punk/Undertaker, Brock/Lesnar were very good, the rest were okay, the Rock/Cena was just finisher after finisher which was pretty boring.

Best part of the night

Mr H wrote:A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

Exactly, they actually did an amazing job of making Cena v Rock intriguing, even during the match, on another level because there really felt like a heel turn could come. That's a brilliant job in my book. I'm annoyed he didn't turn but I'm annoyed when West Ham lose, but I didnt call the spurs match awful cos Bale popped up with a late goal.

I wish we had some hardcore Cena fans on this site cos the ones around me absolutely loved it. And they take the Cena bashing in good spirits too, enjoy the crowd rather than fight about it

big e is so gentle <3

Mr H wrote:A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

What strange logic, it is like telling a QPR fan they shouldn't be annoyed to get relegated because they've seen it coming months ago.

I think my favourite moment was when Punk marcked out when Taker's first gong hit

Couldn't be bothered to watch it as wrestling is really starting to bore me. Either wrestling has just become Poopie, or at the age of 24 if finally grown up.

Pretty much a predictable Wrestlemania, with very few highlights according to the reviews, can't believe they went with a Cena clean victory and then the handshake. Such a dumb move.

That is the end for me and wrestling now, if you can't be bothered to watch Mania then I suppose you might aswell just stop watching. Haven't been watching raw and smackdown properly for months tbf. Just don't get the same buzz as I used to when I was a kid, and in my teens!

CenaNuff wrote:

Mr H wrote:A few weeks ago certain people on here were saying how predictable Mania was going to be. Now if its predictable that means you won't be surprised at what happens right? So why are the same people moaning about Cena winning and there being no heel turn when it was so predictable that it wouldn't happen? Surely if you thought a heel turn 'might' happen then it wasn't so predictable after all, therefore the WWE propaganda machine still works.

What strange logic, it is like telling a QPR fan they shouldn't be annoyed to get relegated because they've seen it coming months ago.

You're missing the point. I'm saying if some people were clinging onto the hope that Cena may actually turn heel then it wasnt as predictable as people first thought. It's not about being annoyed that it didnt happen, it's about the WWE succeeding in planting that element of doubt into the minds of even the hardcore fan.

I enjoyed it. 7/10 show for me, nothing spectacular but a card full of decent to excellent matches and for me, that's hard to complain against.

Punk/Taker was the MOTN and Taker's best match since his double header with HBK.

HHH/Lesnar told a good story and HHH was the right winner given the build to the match. Lesnar still came out of it looking a beast so mission accomplished I guess. The only issue I had with the match is that it was a bit slow paced - both men seemed to be carrying a hell of a lot of weight which probably didn't help much.

Cena/Rock was what it was. A good match slightly hindered by Cena's inability to work a match properly. Still, the result was the right one. Hopefully this title reign doesn't last too long though.

Anyone else catch the sign in the crowd right at the start that said "If Cena wins we'll complain on the internet"? I couldnt stop laughing.

7/10 for me. Very good, but could have been better.

I was glad The Shield won but expected Randy Orton to turn heel. At least Big Show remains that way though as he is better as a heel than a face.

The ending to Ryback v Mark Henry was a bit disappointing. Im glad Henry won as he deserves it but why that way? Why not with a WSM? Good to see Ryback do the SS with no botches. Hopefully that shuts a few people up. The ones that were desperate for him to botch it at least. I feel it would have been a lot better to have him hit the SS then get the victory. They must be planning a big push for Henry.

Fandango v Chris Jericho was another match with a dodgy ending but Im glad Fandango won. Cant wait to see where they go with him now.

I too was disappointed that Dolph Ziggler didnt cash in. After him and Big E Langston losing the tag match, and the fact the World Heavyweight title wasnt on first like in the previous 2 Manias, I was sure there would be a cash in.

The Undertaker v CM Punk was a great match. The only negative thing about this was the fact that there wasnt at least one moment where I believed Punk would win it. The SCM / Pedigree moment from last year and the Hunter Tombstone moment from the year before really had me thinking the streak was over but there was no moment like this against Punk. Great match though.

For me Brock Lesnar v Triple H was the best match of the night. They did a great brutal job and Lesnar looked like an absolute beast! I genuinely didnt know who would win this and we were all on the edge of our seats when HHH kept locking in the Kimura Lock thinking Lesnar would tap.

The Rock v John Cena was a good match IMO. Certainly not as bad as some would make out. I loved the way they had Rock attempting 5KS, Cena attempting PE and all the other bits such as Cena holding on to the ropes to signify he had learnt from last years mistake. I was watching it with a Cena hater and there were a few moments when he was getting ready to MTFO as he was 100% sure Rocky was about to win.

What happened to the intergender match? Not overly diappointed bout would like to know why it was cut.

Worst mania I've ever seen and worst ppv this year.

Ryback - why did he lose only to shell shock Henry? What does this do for either of them, the unbeaten monster face gets super over, loses 3 ppvs in a row in screwy fashion then clean to a fat jobber - who gets laid out immediately? wtf

WWE tease hell no breaking up for months then they win clean, no ziggler cash in or moment - wtf

Big Show is already a heel!!!!!!!! this means nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHC match, snore - why not a cash in?

Fandango gets a pointless roll up = why? have him go over clean or not go over a guy who is one of the most talented ever to grace the stage.
HHH vs Lesnar was a great match, a truely awful crowd only interested in idiotic smark chances killed it dead.

Taker Punk, well sorry to everyone but punk was awful, disallusioned? tired? injured? god knows but taker showed him how it's done, punk botched on 4 occassions and looked fat.

Last but not least Rock Cena, decent match but this is a rematch main event at mania, why not something dramatic? Why the same old super cena kicking out at 1.5, why laughing at getting the biggest heel reception of the night over a guy who is a f**king xenophobe, why locking in the stf terribly not once but twice at the biggest show of them all. Why not have Rock turn heel at least and lay him out after the bell?

First time in years I've not paid for it (couldn't watch it live) and I'm glad.

WWE can go f**k themselves.

Say what you really feel mate... Stop holding out on us!

Mark Henry a fat jobber? Have you even been watching him since Money In The Bank 2011? He is one of the top heels right now!! I cant remember too many times in the last 2 years he has lost clean.

Shot 21 LCFC wrote:Mark Henry a fat jobber? Have you even been watching him since Money In The Bank 2011? He is one of the top heels right now!! I cant remember too many times in the last 2 years he has lost clean.

He has been injured for a large part of that and has been in wwe for 10+ years prior to that doint nothing.

For gods sake the man can barely move, does a WSS (?easiest least technical move ever) and shouts absolute Poopie at the camera.

Never understood the recent love in for him, also good to see the idiot crowd chanting sexual chocolate at him and ruining his current gimmick.

Price Check On Jackass wrote:Say what you really feel mate... Stop holding out on us!

screw it someone might as well say it, to think I was going to get tickets (the missus stopped me) - thank god. Honestly what a crock of Poopie, 1 good match (dead crowd - many thanks you smug smark retards) and no moments at all.

Christ almighty, winners of the main card (1 slight surprise, 0 moments), Hell no. Fandango, Shield, Henry, HHH, Taker, Cena. Awesome...

Is it a bird, is it a plane?

Nope, its Captain Negativity

GSC wrote:Is it a bird, is it a plane?

Nope, its Captain Negativity

I loved mania 27 and 28 and stuck up for the 29 card before hand captain prejudice.

Having sat down and watched it again, I have to admit it was better than I first thought.

Rocks the one to blame for the WWE title match completely off the pace with a full time guy, yes I know Cenas not the best in the ring but he can pull out a great match when he has to, admittedly the finishers were over used abit, but and I'm sure many will disagree here, it for me was better than their Mania 28 match. Only difference last year was the unpredictability. The story telling with Cena trying to use the elbow again and Rocks five knuckle shuffle attempt was brilliant. Forget the handshake stuff after and the dead crowd, and what you have was quite a good main event.

The Shield got a solid win, Fandago got a win and is now oddly popular, Big E looked alright, Taker Punk gave us the great match we wanted, Lesnar lost but still looks like a monster, screw his win/loss record he hardly wrestles enough now so he can easily pull that back. Fairly sure he lost to much worse people during his first WWE run, though before he was in UFC obviously. Oh yeah and wouldn't Dolph Ziggler cashing in have been very predictable?

Raw last night has opened up a lot of new avenues, Extreme Rules is normally pretty good. Things aren't as bad as they seem, and yes I'm trying to be optimistic.

For me that's bumps the PPV as a whole up to a 7/10, not the best by any meens but nowhere near the worst.

The Awesome Giz wrote:Having sat down and watched it again, I have to admit it was better than I first thought.

Rocks the one to blame for the WWE title match completely off the pace with a full time guy, yes I know Cenas not the best in the ring but he can pull out a great match when he has to, admittedly the finishers were over used abit, but and I'm sure many will disagree here, it for me was better than their Mania 28 match. Only difference last year was the unpredictability. The story telling with Cena trying to use the elbow again and Rocks five knuckle shuffle attempt was brilliant. Forget the handshake stuff after and the dead crowd, and what you have was quite a good main event.

The Shield got a solid win, Fandago got a win and is now oddly popular, Big E looked alright, Taker Punk gave us the great match we wanted, Lesnar lost but still looks like a monster, screw his win/loss record he hardly wrestles enough now so he can easily pull that back. Fairly sure he lost to much worse people during his first WWE run, though before he was in UFC obviously. Oh yeah and wouldn't Dolph Ziggler cashing in have been very predictable?

Raw last night has opened up a lot of new avenues, Extreme Rules is normally pretty good. Things aren't as bad as they seem, and yes I'm trying to be optimistic.

For me that's bumps the PPV as a whole up to a 7/10, not the best by any meens but nowhere near the worst.

I can't share your optimism and for me you are clutching at straws (sorry not personal).

For me the part timers shone, Cena for one was his usual terrible self that everyone complains about - no selling, goofy smile, crap technique etc etc

Punk let us down imo, but I'm interested in others thoughts - I thought he repeatedly botched in the match and looked overweight (?possibly injured and unwilling to train, perhaps uninterested as he was 3rd on the card?)

HHH was good but overshadowed by Lesnar.

The lower card was nonsensical and had 10 minute matches. The less said about P diddy and living colour the better.

Honeslty people thought 27 was crappy but even I appreciated that.

Zigglers cash in might have been obvious but at least it would have been a mania moment - in 1 month never mind a year what will you remember from tonight? nothing imo