Regional Rugby, NWQs, Development & The Way Forward

by thespreys Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:18 pm

First topic message reminder :

Nice to see the DRAGONS continue to supply welsh players of the future,bit of a joke 4 non welsh in one swoop,its time to cut their funding as they do nothing for the welsh cause.

by Scrumdown Wed May 22, 2013 4:51 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:

So let me get this straight, the non existant regional structure forced upon an unwilling public is the reason the WRU are right and regions are all evil? The regions are making no attempts to produce a product sellable to the genral public and the alternative income streams that come with a popular product?

Pop your head around Cardiff once in a while, how do the Blues promote regional rugby when the WRU has exhausted every avenue of rugby promotion, using Ironically regional players!!!

Until the WRU decide to stop the hate campaign, stop monopolising rugby and stop the 'nazi esque' domination of power over the sport the game at regional level will continue to flounder, infact it's not just at regional level, the prem has been left to rot, even the WRU littlestars campaign is a blatant rip off of other companies, with an agressive domination of junior rugby marketing model.

You can't blame regional rugby. The Cardiff blues for example have never adopted the concept of regional rugby. Peter Thomas and Cardiff rfc benefited from regional rugby because it meant that funding was split 4 ways rather than 9. They also had a larger pool of players to select from and potentially a larger supporter base. So what exactly are you on about?

What is this larger pool of players you mention?

If the player base was split into 9 clubs previously and now it is split into 4 then each region including cardiff has a larger pool to select from. Cmon Dave this is level 1 maths.

by thebluesmancometh Wed May 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Scrumdown wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:

So let me get this straight, the non existant regional structure forced upon an unwilling public is the reason the WRU are right and regions are all evil? The regions are making no attempts to produce a product sellable to the genral public and the alternative income streams that come with a popular product?

Pop your head around Cardiff once in a while, how do the Blues promote regional rugby when the WRU has exhausted every avenue of rugby promotion, using Ironically regional players!!!

Until the WRU decide to stop the hate campaign, stop monopolising rugby and stop the 'nazi esque' domination of power over the sport the game at regional level will continue to flounder, infact it's not just at regional level, the prem has been left to rot, even the WRU littlestars campaign is a blatant rip off of other companies, with an agressive domination of junior rugby marketing model.

You can't blame regional rugby. The Cardiff blues for example have never adopted the concept of regional rugby. Peter Thomas and Cardiff rfc benefited from regional rugby because it meant that funding was split 4 ways rather than 9. They also had a larger pool of players to select from and potentially a larger supporter base. So what exactly are you on about?

What is this larger pool of players you mention?

If the player base was split into 9 clubs previously and now it is split into 4 then each region including cardiff has a larger pool to select from. Cmon Dave this is level 1 maths.

But the Blues went from Cardiff RFC to Cardiff Blues did they not? They essentially just rebranded! Cmon scrumdown this is level 1 WRU balls up

by thebluesmancometh Wed May 22, 2013 8:01 pm

Scrumdown wrote:Bluesman,

The points you make are always either irrelevant, incoherent or usually both.

You prefer to engage in petty point scoring on minor details on a subject which you clearly do not have the Accounting or legal knowledge to fully understand.

Why is it even relevant that the blues only had access to the warriors/ponty players two years into their inception?

Martyn Hazell appointed Darren Edwards. He also sacked Paul Turner. Fact.

Don't really get your no region to embrace drivel? Just another convenient excuse I'm afraid.

What are you talking about? The Blues were FORCED to take on someone elses region when the Warriors went bust, they profited a small number of good players, but their player pool stayed exactly the same as a lot of juniors and players went elsewhere to spite the Blues, this was all the WRU's making whas it not?

Also Hazell had to sack Turner, after the outburst etc the WRU didn't want him there any more, and Edwards was a WRU emplyee already, and was slipped in via the back door by the WRU, partly because he had semi success with the U20, partly because he cost nothing and mostly because he would play ball with the mess that is the running of the Dragons, who do you think has the say on player transfer? I can tell you Edwards knew nothing about Evans and Prydie signing last season!!!

Everything you say is just gash regurgetated from the WRU propoganda machine, infact I could probably type half of what you say into google and the media peices you read it in would pop up Laugh

by Cardiff Dave Wed May 22, 2013 8:30 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:

So let me get this straight, the non existant regional structure forced upon an unwilling public is the reason the WRU are right and regions are all evil? The regions are making no attempts to produce a product sellable to the genral public and the alternative income streams that come with a popular product?

Pop your head around Cardiff once in a while, how do the Blues promote regional rugby when the WRU has exhausted every avenue of rugby promotion, using Ironically regional players!!!

Until the WRU decide to stop the hate campaign, stop monopolising rugby and stop the 'nazi esque' domination of power over the sport the game at regional level will continue to flounder, infact it's not just at regional level, the prem has been left to rot, even the WRU littlestars campaign is a blatant rip off of other companies, with an agressive domination of junior rugby marketing model.

You can't blame regional rugby. The Cardiff blues for example have never adopted the concept of regional rugby. Peter Thomas and Cardiff rfc benefited from regional rugby because it meant that funding was split 4 ways rather than 9. They also had a larger pool of players to select from and potentially a larger supporter base. So what exactly are you on about?

What is this larger pool of players you mention?

If the player base was split into 9 clubs previously and now it is split into 4 then each region including cardiff has a larger pool to select from. Cmon Dave this is level 1 maths.

But the Blues went from Cardiff RFC to Cardiff Blues did they not? They essentially just rebranded! Cmon scrumdown this is level 1 WRU balls up

Indeed and they messed that up initially by ordering jerseys with the wrong badge. You couldn't make it up. Cracking stuff. How we laughed.

by Cardiff Dave Wed May 22, 2013 8:48 pm

Scrumdown wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:

So let me get this straight, the non existant regional structure forced upon an unwilling public is the reason the WRU are right and regions are all evil? The regions are making no attempts to produce a product sellable to the genral public and the alternative income streams that come with a popular product?

Pop your head around Cardiff once in a while, how do the Blues promote regional rugby when the WRU has exhausted every avenue of rugby promotion, using Ironically regional players!!!

Until the WRU decide to stop the hate campaign, stop monopolising rugby and stop the 'nazi esque' domination of power over the sport the game at regional level will continue to flounder, infact it's not just at regional level, the prem has been left to rot, even the WRU littlestars campaign is a blatant rip off of other companies, with an agressive domination of junior rugby marketing model.

You can't blame regional rugby. The Cardiff blues for example have never adopted the concept of regional rugby. Peter Thomas and Cardiff rfc benefited from regional rugby because it meant that funding was split 4 ways rather than 9. They also had a larger pool of players to select from and potentially a larger supporter base. So what exactly are you on about?

What is this larger pool of players you mention?

If the player base was split into 9 clubs previously and now it is split into 4 then each region including cardiff has a larger pool to select from. Cmon Dave this is level 1 maths.

9-4=5, correct? Grade me.
Did we lose 5 clubs then? I can't remember that happening and when the Worriers were culled, I do remember other teams as well as the 4 selecting from this larger pool you mention. Toulouse for instance? Gloucester? Sale? Worcester rings a bell.

by Cardiff Dave Wed May 22, 2013 9:45 pm

Scrumdown wrote:
The Cardiff blues for example have never adopted the concept of regional rugby.

The word is "embraced" and how many times do we have to hear this nonsense because it's got tedious beyond and we've had 10 years of it. Apart from Cardiff RFC obviously aka the blooos, Ponty are the only club in the so called "region" that matter at present and clearly they don't want to be part of the regionalistic experiment. It cracks me up that Pontypridd RFC, who have competed in Europe (eg battle of Brive), are listed alongside my village side on the bloos website and even Dowlais RFC are there too. Where's LD? So is Cardiff RFC I just noticed. Strewth and WTF?
http://www.cardiffblues.com/community/regional_clubs_clubs_in_the_blues_region.php
I say let Cardiff be Cardiff and let Ponty be Ponty. Best way forward down our way IMHO.

by Scrumdown Wed May 22, 2013 10:08 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:

What are you talking about? The Blues were FORCED to take on someone elses region when the Warriors went bust, they profited a small number of good players, but their player pool stayed exactly the same as a lot of juniors and players went elsewhere to spite the Blues, this was all the WRU's making whas it not?

Also Hazell had to sack Turner, after the outburst etc the WRU didn't want him there any more, and Edwards was a WRU emplyee already, and was slipped in via the back door by the WRU, partly because he had semi success with the U20, partly because he cost nothing and mostly because he would play ball with the mess that is the running of the Dragons, who do you think has the say on player transfer? I can tell you Edwards knew nothing about Evans and Prydie signing last season!!!

Everything you say is just gash regurgetated from the WRU propoganda machine, infact I could probably type half of what you say into google and the media peices you read it in would pop up

More nonsense as usual. Once again you choose to focus on minor irrelevant detail. Maybe because it is more difficult to try and justify more funding for the regions when they are already receiving more on average than the aviva clubs in England. Anyway:

If Darren Edwards knew nothing about the signings of Evans and Prydie then surely that reflects badly on Hazell. My understanding is that the WRU are silent partners at the Dragons. Only Hazell would have approved the signing of Burton for example.

Taking on the Warriors region would have been a no brainer for Peter Thomas and rightly so. More funding (split 4 ways instead of 5) plus an academy set up that is now able to draw on the best talent from the Valleys. So Corry Allen is a blues player and not a celtic warrior.

by ScarletSpiderman Wed May 22, 2013 10:31 pm

Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

by Scrumdown Wed May 22, 2013 10:48 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

But only in the same way that the Premier League has to ratify all transfers within the Football Premiership in England.

by Cardiff Dave Wed May 22, 2013 10:50 pm

Scrumdown wrote:

More nonsense as usual. Once again you choose to focus on minor irrelevant detail. Maybe because it is more difficult to try and justify more funding for the regions when they are already receiving more on average than the aviva clubs in England. Anyway:

If Darren Edwards knew nothing about the signings of Evans and Prydie then surely that reflects badly on Hazell. My understanding is that the WRU are silent partners at the Dragons. Only Hazell would have approved the signing of Burton for example.

Taking on the Warriors region would have been a no brainer for Peter Thomas and rightly so. More funding (split 4 ways instead of 5) plus an academy set up that is now able to draw on the best talent from the Valleys. So Corry Allen is a blues player and not a celtic warrior.

Scrumdown, the Celtic Warriors happened (for one year only) 10 years ago and how could've Cardiff (Peter Thomas) taken on the Warriors players? He's loaded yes, but he's not that crazy. Although he did do CCS admittedly.

by Stone Motif Wed May 22, 2013 11:42 pm

If the Dragons board are as awful as Bumbrown thinks they are in his anti-regional vendetta world where WRU pounds are worth more than English ones, why is Paul Turner amongst the most vociferously anti-WRU Muppet out there in the whole debate, vilifying the control they have over the regions at every opportunity?

by Scrumdown Thu May 23, 2013 12:04 am

Stone Motif wrote:If the Dragons board are as awful as Bumbrown thinks they are in his anti-regional vendetta world where WRU pounds are worth more than English ones, why is Paul Turner amongst the most vociferously anti-WRU Muppet out there in the whole debate, vilifying the control they have over the regions at every opportunity?

What a surprise...you have reverted to name calling...the last refuge of someone who has nothing constructive to say. It is not the first time either.

by Stone Motif Thu May 23, 2013 7:41 am

WUMdown wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:If the Dragons board are as awful as Bumbrown thinks they are in his anti-regional vendetta world where WRU pounds are worth more than English ones, why is Paul Turner amongst the most vociferously anti-WRU Muppet out there in the whole debate, vilifying the control they have over the regions at every opportunity?

What a surprise...you have reverted to name calling...the last refuge of someone who has nothing constructive to say. It is not the first time either.

What a suprise...you can't answer the question. Back to the Western Fail subscribers club with you.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu May 23, 2013 7:52 am

Scrumdown wrote:Taking on the Warriors region would have been a no brainer for Peter Thomas and rightly so. More funding (split 4 ways instead of 5) plus an academy set up that is now able to draw on the best talent from the Valleys. So Corry Allen is a blues player and not a celtic warrior.

Isn't that what's supposed to happen? The Blues represent the RCT region and its best players come through to play for the Blues. The system works! They tried Dai Flanagan and Rhys Shellard but decided they weren't up to it, so they sent them back.

by Guest Thu May 23, 2013 9:04 am

Scrumdown wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

But only in the same way that the Premier League has to ratify all transfers within the Football Premiership in England.

The WRU recently stopped the Dragons from signing an overseas centre.

by ScarletSpiderman Thu May 23, 2013 9:31 am

Griff wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

But only in the same way that the Premier League has to ratify all transfers within the Football Premiership in England.

The WRU recently stopped the Dragons from signing an overseas centre.

And they also took an age to decide on whether or not to allow Iestyn Thomas to become the scum coach at the Dragons. So to say that they have no input and that the NWQ signings are all down to the regions is harsh, as the WRU have a fair old input into it.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu May 23, 2013 10:02 am

Stone Motif wrote:
WUMdown wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:If the Dragons board are as awful as Bumbrown thinks they are in his anti-regional vendetta world where WRU pounds are worth more than English ones, why is Paul Turner amongst the most vociferously anti-WRU Muppet out there in the whole debate, vilifying the control they have over the regions at every opportunity?

What a surprise...you have reverted to name calling...the last refuge of someone who has nothing constructive to say. It is not the first time either.
What a suprise...you can't answer the question. Back to the Western Fail subscribers club with you.

Lay off the name-calling Stone, it weakens any good points you make. And quite frankly I wouldn't bother responding to someone who can't debate without name-calling either

Can everyone get back to debating without the childish rubbish please

by thebluesmancometh Thu May 23, 2013 1:43 pm

Don't make me start copy and pasting your comments into google scrum...

I wouldn't be able to handle sifting through all the western fail articles to find their rehashed words in your posts!

by Cardiff Dave Fri May 24, 2013 6:17 pm

The way forward is looking promising - a new pitch for Cardiff Arms Park, experienced old pros signing for the Rags and now a new board member with plenty of cash.

http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/6392.php

by Cardiff Dave Sun May 26, 2013 12:50 pm

May 24, 2013

WRU hail 'fruitful' meeting with regions

1 day, 17 hours ago

The Welsh Rugby Union has anounced it has held 'fruitful' discussions with the four regions in a bid to resolve their differences regarding the future of the game in Wales.

The regions - the Cardiff Blues, Newport-Gwent Dragons, Ospreys and Scarlets - are seeking a greater financial support from the WRU in the hope of retaining the services of the leading players but a series of meetings have yet to provide them with any increase in funding.

The WRU and Regional Rugby Wales (RRW), the umbrella organisation which looks after the interests of the regions, agreed to the formation of the Professional Regional Game Board earlier this season to oversee professional rugby in Wales. But the union reportedly withdrew after just one meeting claiming RRW had breached its terms of reference by demanding a say in the appointment of Warren Gatland’s successor as Wales coach.

However, it now appears talks are back on track with another meeting also scheduled for later this year. "A meeting took place today with representatives of the Welsh Rugby Union and the four Welsh Regional Organisations, chaired by Sir Wyn Williams," the WRU said in a statement. "A fruitful discussion took place and a further meeting is now planned for July."

http://blogs.espnscrum.com/latest-news/#WRU%20hail%20%27fruitful%27%20meeting%20with%20regions

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue May 28, 2013 10:25 am

Considering how hyped up by Roger Lewis the establishment of the PRGB was, how well known it is that it only convened once and how low key this recent press release is, it can't have been a meeting of the PRGB, despite being chaired by Sir Wyn Williams. So I don't know how 'fruitful' it could have been.

by Cardiff Dave Tue May 28, 2013 9:31 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Considering how hyped up by Roger Lewis the establishment of the PRGB was, how well known it is that it only convened once and how low key this recent press release is, it can't have been a meeting of the PRGB, despite being chaired by Sir Wyn Williams. So I don't know how 'fruitful' it could have been.

Yeah, "fruitful" could mean anything. Best wait and not say anything at all until after the mainly Welsh Lions give the Aussies a damn good seeing to.

by Cardiff Dave Fri May 31, 2013 11:58 pm

"fruitful" as in a 4th AI for Rog.
Excellent.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:11 pm

I see Roger Lewis has broken his silence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22810302

I have to say I'm very disappointed. Hardly any business speak at all, and he only says 'going forward' twice, albeit in the same sentence.

by thebluesmancometh Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:33 pm

The Union have offered central contracts for Welsh international players but that move has been rejected by the regions.

I love it when this gets trotted out at every opportunity, stupid, greedy regions, not giving away their prize assets for less than they receive now!!!

by Stone Motif Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:24 pm

When in actual fact, what Rog allowed his lap-dogs at the Welsh media to release of the PwC report quite clearly stated that the WRU does not have the money to pay for Central COntracts, meaning Rog is a proven liar.

Would be funny if the guy wasn't overseeing the death of pro rugby in Wales below the national tier...

by Allty Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:07 am

Why blame the WRU and its CEO for serious failings at the regional level

The regions have to accept much of the blame.

by Cardiff Dave Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:24 pm

Allty wrote:Why blame the WRU and its CEO for serious failings at the regional level

The regions have to accept much of the blame.

Rubbish management? Cardiff? For donkey's years?
Yeah I can relate to that.

by Allty Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:50 pm

Not just Cardiff CD

The O's keeping a coach like LJ who had almost a Welsh squad and a few class SH players in his hands and failed big time in the HC

by dragon999 Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:11 pm

Griff wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

But only in the same way that the Premier League has to ratify all transfers within the Football Premiership in England.

The WRU recently stopped the Dragons from signing an overseas centre.

The WRU did not stop the Deagons signing an overseas centre it was the Dragons board - perhaps the money was required to get Lyn & Kingsley?

by Guest Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Ah, ok. My understanding was that the WRU had stepped in. Happy to be told otherwise. Not sure where I got it from.

by Cardiff Dave Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:04 pm

Griff wrote:
Scrumdown wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Scrumdown, all regional signings, be it players or coaches need to be ratified by the WRU. The WRU can stop signings if they wish

But only in the same way that the Premier League has to ratify all transfers within the Football Premiership in England.

The WRU recently stopped the Dragons from signing an overseas centre.

We should never forget either that the WRU prevented the Os from playing Tonga at the Brewery Field several months ago. That would've been a great occasion, great for Welsh rugby and great for us fans. Unfortunately, the WRU said no, so it didn't happen.

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:06 am

I see Roger Lewis has made a low-key arrival in Australia:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22814824

by XR Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:24 am

Roger Lewis talking about £££ and the shareholders pot? Surprising chin

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:26 am

Well he can't crow about Wales's last match, so what else was he going to talk about?

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:28 am

Worst line in that whole article

"Lewis, who was with Wales on their two-Test tour of Japan before flying to Australia to follow the Lions, admits the tour to the Far East was a loss-maker, but is part of the "ecology" of international rugby"

So we took a bunch of kids to Japan to get beaten, and lost money in the process. Nice one Rog. Even the biggest WRU lap dog would have to agree that was a pretty foolish decision to make when you constantly whinge about how tight money is.,

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:36 am

This is the worst line for me:

"With the British and Irish Lions this is something we are gently looking at now," said Lewis.

Er, I'm not sure speaking to the Press about it days before the first Test is a particularly 'gentle' way of raising the subject.

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:38 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This is the worst line for me:

"With the British and Irish Lions this is something we are gently looking at now," said Lewis.

Er, I'm not sure speaking to the Press about it days before the first Test is a particularly 'gentle' way of raising the subject.

It is considering how softly he handles really delicate issues with the regions etc. Didn't he throw the whole poop-storm out the the press just before Judgement Day?

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:41 am

Someone has posted on the BBC article: 'If his role is mostly financial then why give him a public voice?'

by XR Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:42 am

He's an absolute moron

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:44 am

I could be wrong, but none of the other home unions' chief executives have felt the need to go public like this. I don't doubt that it's a possible issue for them too, but they appreciate that it's a conversation that should take place behind closed doors after the tour, not in public slap bang in the middle of it.

by Cardiff Dave Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:58 am

So he wants to discuss profits coz he believes that the 4 aren't getting a fair deal.
Aye that rings a bell.

Well at least he acknowledges that "the world has moved on and now is the time to look at it afresh."
Yes it has Rog, so freshen up the PA, sharpish.

by XR Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:21 am

It's just his constant need to be in the public eye, as you said LP - the others haven't said anything so why should he? All he seems to be doing is keeping his media up there so when he leaves the WRU he can get a nice paying job somewhere else.

Again, he's a moron

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:23 am

I would like to know how he wants it split. If the tour is worth £40m, what the odd he thinks it should be split 50-50 between the Lions and Aus, and then split per-capita amongst the providers of Lions players, Coaches, Kit Boys etc.

by Cardiff Dave Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:30 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I could be wrong, but none of the other home unions' chief executives have felt the need to go public like this. I don't doubt that it's a possible issue for them too, but they appreciate that it's a conversation that should take place behind closed doors after the tour, not in public slap bang in the middle of it.

Indeed and i'm sure Gatland and co won't be too pleased when/if they are side-tracked into answering questions at Lions' press conferences re Dodger's latest chopse.
Hope it doesn't get "unsavoury".....
"Lewis, speaking for the first time on Welsh rugby's crisis, said: "We've had two meetings with the regions since it got a bit unsavoury in the press..."".

Incredible.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:24 am

'The Welsh Rugby Union is to make £1 million available to help keep international players in Wales.

'A WRU (sic) says it will "target the development, recruitment and retention of Welsh international players."

'The one-off windfall is part of a package worth £2.5 million for the Welsh game, split between grassroots, the regions and the national team.

'However, the WRU statement does not say how the money will be allocated between the Scarlets, Ospreys, Cardiff Blues and Newport Gwent Dragons.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23072439

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:19 am

So the PRGB have met and it went well. The chairman doesn't have a vote any more.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/23367226

"Our first meeting was very constructive indeed," said WRU chief executive Roger Lewis after the first meeting of the newly-formed board.

"Our aim is to ensure we use our combined expertise and knowledge to develop the right systems and structures, adopt best practice and identify synergies of mutual benefit."

'Synergies of mutual benefit.' Now that's how you push the envelope!

by ScarletSpiderman Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:16 pm

Just seen the Rabo fixtures, over xmas/new year its Scarlets v Ospreys home and away, I assume its the same for Dragons v Blues. Thats sensible scheduling, should see huge crowds for both games on oth weekends. That should help put out a good atmosphere etc to the tv viewers, and make the regional game look more attractive to attend.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Yeah, the Blues come to us around Christmas and we go to the Arms Park in the new year.

by maestegmafia Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Fantastic double header...!

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