Froch v Ward

The remtch has to be the next fight for both these guys. Ward wins an easy UD for me. Froch looked very slow against kessler throwing 1000 punches and only landing 22% of them.

If Kessler can evade froch's punches with success then imagine Ward. Froch would have something like a 15% success rate against him at best.

Ward all day. Froch can easily outfight & outmuscle an overrated Bute and a slightly over the hill Kessler, but a tricky, strong, technically gifted fighter like Ward gives him nightmares time after time after time. Can only see a repeat of the first fight.

Ward won't fight him in the Uk and a Froch can make as much money over here as he is a big draw

A third Kessler-Froch sells great and Froch could get a stoppage win

Ward wont come after hearing that, if he does i give Froch a decent chance to win. ATG!!!!

This fight won't happen. Ward will not come to the UK for the fight.

Ward will go where the money is. Pay him enough and he'll come here. Come on Eddie, show him the money.

No chance, ward has only fought in his area and has said that he doesnt need to travel as he's champ

Step up Hearn.

Ward humiliated Froch the first time, and broke his hand during that fight.

Second time round he humiliates Froch again.

Ward should take the second fight with Froch. Easy money.

Froch & Hearn will pursue a third fight with Kessler first, only if he turns them down and Ward agrees to come to the U.K will it happen.

Doesnt matter where its at ward eases past froch. Probably even better now that he's seen what froch is capable of.

No point in Froch v Kessler 3, we know what the result would be after watching Kessler's decline. I don't think Kessler needs another war, he should bow out with a win in Denmark.

The public will spend money to see Froch against his nemesis Ward.

I don't warm to Ward in his interviews and he's a very cynical fighter. I'd like to see him beat but Froch isn't the one to do it.

Adonis Steveson is the mandatory for the IBF. I actually think that would be a decent fight

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Completely agree mate.

The Froch vs Ward fight made Froch look terrible, slow, flat footed.

After reviving his career knockin Bute senseless and beating Kessler just now he is big box office.

Styles make fights and Frochs is not made for Wards so fighting him would be a massive financial boo boo

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Ward flipped the WBC the bird because they tried to put some super phoney title on him whilst cashing in with another fake WBC world title. Credit to him for that.

Ward v Froch fight was easy. Ward won at a canter with an injured hand. If Froch wants him in the UK Hearn will have to pay silly money otherwise it goes to Vegas. Regardless where it happens, Ward wins at a canter again.

Froch may be PPV in UK, but elsewhere he's just another fighter who is confirmed as the world's best paper champion.

to be fair to the WBC when was the last time ward defended his title?

Well the WBC have no issues with Mayweather keeping his for over a year and not defending it.

azania wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Ward flipped the WBC the bird because they tried to put some super phoney title on him whilst cashing in with another fake WBC world title. Credit to him for that.

Ward v Froch fight was easy. Ward won at a canter with an injured hand. If Froch wants him in the UK Hearn will have to pay silly money otherwise it goes to Vegas. Regardless where it happens, Ward wins at a canter again.

Froch may be PPV in UK, but elsewhere he's just another fighter who is confirmed as the world's best paper champion.

Yes, and Bowe dumped his title and Haye had an injured toe... what semi plausable narratives we can think up... but, Froch is a 2 belt champ and Ward isn't. So, Ward has cache and no title... your point is?

Hearn doesn't have to pay any silly money at all. Who has Ward got to fight? He has no title and, is widely recognised to be head and shoulders above the rest. He isn't a draw. Who will fight him for a pasting for no title? He is worthless.

Froch comes to fight and is entertaining. Ward Vs Gatti got 3 fights in the US off similar selling points. Wright etc can't even fill 14,000 seater arenas...

Ward has no marketable value. HBO broadcast this "paperchampions" fight from foreign shores.

Financially, Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward. If not, tell me which fights out there Ward could get over Froch? There is nobody else that could bring Ward more money. Not even in the US. Even Hopkins would prefer to fight Froch over Ward so even if Ward chose that avenue he'd be second best.

Ward's title is world champion. You fight Ward to be recognised as the best.

There's an article in yahoo sports as to why he gave up the title.

How well froch is doing only elevates Ward more. For his legacy he needs Ward. Or he could duck him for easy money fights. Fair play if he does. He's earned it for being the best paper champion.

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Ward flipped the WBC the bird because they tried to put some super phoney title on him whilst cashing in with another fake WBC world title. Credit to him for that.

Ward v Froch fight was easy. Ward won at a canter with an injured hand. If Froch wants him in the UK Hearn will have to pay silly money otherwise it goes to Vegas. Regardless where it happens, Ward wins at a canter again.

Froch may be PPV in UK, but elsewhere he's just another fighter who is confirmed as the world's best paper champion.

Yes, and Bowe dumped his title and Haye had an injured toe... what semi plausable narratives we can think up... but, Froch is a 2 belt champ and Ward isn't. So, Ward has cache and no title... your point is?

Hearn doesn't have to pay any silly money at all. Who has Ward got to fight? He has no title and, is widely recognised to be head and shoulders above the rest. He isn't a draw. Who will fight him for a pasting for no title? He is worthless.

Froch comes to fight and is entertaining. Ward Vs Gatti got 3 fights in the US off similar selling points. Wright etc can't even fill 14,000 seater arenas...

Ward has no marketable value. HBO broadcast this "paperchampions" fight from foreign shores.

Financially, Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward. If not, tell me which fights out there Ward could get over Froch? There is nobody else that could bring Ward more money. Not even in the US. Even Hopkins would prefer to fight Froch over Ward so even if Ward chose that avenue he'd be second best.

So what you are saying is that there is only 1 fighter in the world Ward can fight and that is Froch?

Ward beat Froch very easily 2 years ago and if they fight again froch will be 2 years older at 36 and will lose again.

If I was Ward I wold lose 8lbs and fight Mayweather.

Lots of fighters retire having not sought revenge.

Hatton gets praise for being a legend who lost to the 2 best fighters on the planet.

Why not Froch getting the same treatment? He doesnt have to fight Ward again, he can go after the WBO champion, or the winner of Wards old belt and clean up.

The problem Ward has isnt just with Froch, nobody wants to fight him. Who wants a guaranteed loss on their record in Oakland.

Ward is still the proper WBA champion (let's be frank, the watered-down version which Froch added to his collection tonight matters about as much as the belt I'm wearing right now and was never really anything more than an incidental in this fight) as well as Ring Magazine champion, due to him being the overwhelming consensus pick as the division's number one. He's still very much THE champion at Super-Middleweight.

I don't particularly think that Froch's PPV status on these shores necessarily equates to him being a bigger draw Stateside than Ward, by any means. If there's a rematch (and I wouldn't be terribly upset if there isn't) then, realistically, Ward simply has to get the higher end of any purse, so I do think that the bleak reality is that Hearn would have to come up with something a bit special to temp Ward over to the UK. This fight carried a hell of a lot of weight in Europe, but right now I'd question if it was any more anticipated and viewed over in America than Ward-Dawson was, for instance.

It'd be nice to see Ward testing the waters in Britain, but as the division's kingpin he's pretty much earned the right to have things more on his terms than his opponent's, sadly, and I don't think the currect landscape of the division calls for him to chase Froch and Froch only.

Lose 8lbs and fight Floyd? Are you mad?

It would be nice to see Ward fight in Europe full stop. Thats where most of the contenders are.

His talent is hurting him so much and I hate to see it. The same with Rigo, not much money to be made with either of them, but probably the 2 best fighters you will see in the next few years

azania wrote:Ward's title is world champion. You fight Ward to be recognised as the best.

There's an article in yahoo sports as to why he gave up the title.

How well froch is doing only elevates Ward more. For his legacy he needs Ward. Or he could duck him for easy money fights. Fair play if he does. He's earned it for being the best paper champion.

Sorry, you were talking about money etc.... Its a business and that is why Ward, the K bros etc. fight in their backyards so much. They want all the advantages they can get to keep his business going.

Legacy etc. is BS. RJJ never went to Germany to fight Darius or the UK to fight JC. Hopkins also fought lightweight American challengers to make an easy buck. Provided you're American and keep going you'll make a name one way or another but still question the likes of JC for emulating exactly you're own blueprint.

Like Ward, you'll talk legacy one min about Froch not going to the US and then talk about Hearn making the money to make it happen the next.

What other fights are there out there for Ward? There is now clear sky between the number one and two, Ward and Froch. If Ward chooses to fight any other SMW what is he doing for his "legacy"? He has to fight Froch because there is nobody out there and there he will get peanuts for anybody else.

If Ward is going to pretend to be a professional fighter, he has to fight for money and the only credible fight and only real money is Froch. If he BS's away like he did tonight he is a sham.

The SMW fights in terms of competition and/or money are:

1. Froch vs Ward in the UK (it will make more money and validate Ward's "legacy" as it will put to rest his "stay at home" image)
2.
3. Ward vs Froch in a big, neutral US arena, but even that is only if it can get big PPV. The US crowd may feel this will be a repeat of Ward vs Froch 1 and not buy into it.
4.
5. Froch vs any top contender as it will be entertaining.
6.
7.
8.
9. Ward vs a top conteder as it will be a fight.

I left the blanks to simply illustrate the gulf between the options.

I agree with Dee. Froch has earned the right to duck Ward. What ever excuse he comes up with to excuse the duck is ok with me.

azania wrote:Lose 8lbs and fight Floyd? Are you mad?

My thoughts exactly.

I think he just needs to get out of the SMW division, work his way up the rankings at LHW and force the champions to fight him as he will be mandatory.

And also, what does another win against Froch does for Ward after he beat him with ease before??

Ward has slapped him already. He doesn't need him for his legacy. If froch wants him hearn will have to make it worthwhile.

Exactly dee. Ward doesn't need him. Froch can call him out knowing that he has no intention of fighting him.

Well in his interviews he was more or less challenging him to another fight for lacking respect. Ward wants the fight. Froch and Hearn don't

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

azania wrote:Lose 8lbs and fight Floyd? Are you mad?

My thoughts exactly.

I think he just needs to get out of the SMW division, work his way up the rankings at LHW and force the champions to fight him as he will be mandatory.

Why? Ward has said he would lose the weight to fight Mayweather.

azania wrote:Exactly dee. Ward doesn't need him. Froch can call him out knowing that he has no intention of fighting him.

Other fighters do it, its called PR.

Khan calling out Mayweather a few years ago but saying he needed a few more years (waiting till Mayweather is old)

Clev calling out Hopkins then fighting nurses.

It happens, you're acting like this is a first

88Chris05 wrote:Ward is still the proper WBA champion (let's be frank, the watered-down version which Froch added to his collection tonight matters about as much as the belt I'm wearing right now and was never really anything more than an incidental in this fight) as well as Ring Magazine champion, due to him being the overwhelming consensus pick as the division's number one. He's still very much THE champion at Super-Middleweight.

I don't particularly think that Froch's PPV status on these shores necessarily equates to him being a bigger draw Stateside than Ward, by any means. If there's a rematch (and I wouldn't be terribly upset if there isn't) then, realistically, Ward simply has to get the higher end of any purse, so I do think that the bleak reality is that Hearn would have to come up with something a bit special to temp Ward over to the UK. This fight carried a hell of a lot of weight in Europe, but right now I'd question if it was any more anticipated and viewed over in America than Ward-Dawson was, for instance.

It'd be nice to see Ward testing the waters in Britain, but as the division's kingpin he's pretty much earned the right to have things more on his terms than his opponent's, sadly, and I don't think the currect landscape of the division calls for him to chase Froch and Froch only.

As there now appears to be clear sky between first and second, who else is there for Ward then? He can do a K bros and try and nullify the up and comers before they threaten etc. but then the US isn't Germany. He can't fight bums and still sell tickets as the US has a lot more successful boxers and are more into MMA.

Ward is the clear number 1 but, and it is reasonable to argue it, that to prove it he has to go into somebody's back yard.

You even vindicate the view. You equate a fight between the No 1 vs another very good american as being similar in interest in the US as two Europeans going at it.

The reality is, even as an American, Ward isn't big box office. Froch isn't either but reading some of the US boxing sites he gets plaudits for his attitude and tonights fight can only have enhanced that.

For my money, I don't think Ward has anywhere to go except Froch, up and coming SMWs or move up. Only the first and last offer significant money and, if he is to carry any reputation as a professional boxer the former and latter are the only two he can do and maintain his "legacy", what ever that is in boxing.

I see people getting carried away (david) calling Froch an ATG.

Not yet he needs to beat a really big name in boxing to even get close to contention.

Why not wlad lose a few pounds and fight ward?

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

azania wrote:Lose 8lbs and fight Floyd? Are you mad?

My thoughts exactly.

I think he just needs to get out of the SMW division, work his way up the rankings at LHW and force the champions to fight him as he will be mandatory.

Why? Ward has said he would lose the weight to fight Mayweather.

The way Ward is going now he will soon be challanging Ricky Burns just to get a fight

Ward has cleaned up at SWM, why is he still wanting fights against fighters he beat so easily.

Move on Andre, LHW is calling out for a fighter of his class

Have to say, Champage_Socialist, that every comment and tweet I've seen from Ward with regards to this snowballing story about a Mayweather fight has appeared to be very tongue in cheek! I'd take any talk of Mayweather-Ward with a pinch of salt, to say the least. Mayweather (it seems) won't even fight Alvarez at 154; the idea of him fighting a much better fighter in Ward at 160 is fantasy world stuff!

Ward is far too big for Mayweather and I'm amazed that this story has managed to gather any pace. It's a non-starter, and rightly so.

Who will he fight at L/H?

Ward should fight Froch next

Ward could win every single belt at LHW on the same night.

His legacy will be more enhanced than a rematch with Froch.

HBO SHOWTIME all saw Froch Kessler 2 so maybe they will get Ward down.

88Chris05 wrote:Have to say, Champage_Socialist, that every comment and tweet I've seen from Ward with regards to this snowballing story about a Mayweather fight has appeared to be very tongue in cheek! I'd take any talk of Mayweather-Ward with a pinch of salt, to say the least. Mayweather (it seems) won't even fight Alvarez at 154; the idea of him fighting a much better fighter in Ward at 160 is fantasy world stuff!

Ward is far too big for Mayweather and I'm amazed that this story has managed to gather any pace. It's a non-starter, and rightly so.

so will ward v mayweather not happen because mayweather wont fight him?

Look it up on wiki, if its on there then its ON!!!!!!

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Look it up on wiki, if its on there then its ON!!!!!!

you sound so bitter.

They call me The Lemon!

Froch doesn't have too many options at SMW either.

Kessler is done, Froch put the nail in his fighting days. The Dane has lost too much to beat the current version of Froch. I wouldn't want to see a rubber match. Kessler would only do it if he needs the money, he looks like a guy who has retirement on his mind.

Ward is too good and it would only be a money fight for Froch.

Robert Stieglitz is on a high after decimating Abrahams maybe this is a good fight. England v Germany would be a good sell. Maybe do a 50,000 arena in Germany, if Froch is willing to fight away.

Groves would also be a good seller but I think Booth will hold him back for another year before throwing him in with the likes of Froch.

Styles make fights, and I don't believe another Froch vs. Ward fight will sell well unless it's in the UK. Having said that, Ward's style is all for Froch and unless he lands a few big shots Ward will win by decision 8/10.

I was at the fight last night and Froch got an amazing reception, he really is the star of British boxing right now.

I would like to see him fight the likes of Robert Stieglitz and then maybe finish his career of at a Catchweight against Cleverly (another massive fight which will sell well in the UK).

A B-hop fight will be a snooze fest and possibly one Froch would win on his output alone. It's not a fight the public need to see.