Froch v Ward

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The remtch has to be the next fight for both these guys. Ward wins an easy UD for me. Froch looked very slow against kessler throwing 1000 punches and only landing 22% of them.

If Kessler can evade froch's punches with success then imagine Ward. Froch would have something like a 15% success rate against him at best.

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:Show Ward the money and he will come here to beat froch in an exhibition of sublime pugilistic skills. End of.

Dont show Ward the money and he will flop on PPV without a viable opponent in the USA, fizzle and and join the 'could have been' club all whilst fighting in front of his 20 relatives in Oakland crying why the number 2 and 3 in the division are getting more publicity and money than him

I like how some of you think Ward won't ever be a huge draw, he's only 29 and considering he's the p4p no2 to a fighter with a similar style, he only has to cut the SOG crap and be more entertaining and he'll have America behind him. Also bare in mind Floyd should be done within 30 months, the platform is well and truly set for him to be the number 1 man in the sport (until Broner moves up the p4p list).

Did Froch have as much exposure when he was 29?

Record books? The record books say Ottke was undefeated and didn't get home town help. Ward was in command all the way.

Ward is the best. Fact. If froch wants him in the UK then they have to pay him his dues. I suggest froch will duck him and start mouthing off about how ward won't fight him which is a lie.

Im suprised Hopkins isnt being touted as a potential opponent for Froch. I thought I saw a post stating that B-Hop said he would fight Froch in UK if Froch beat Kessler on this sight, might have been somewhere else. If true its a huge opportunity for Froch to get an ATG name on his resume, and maybe make a final assault on the British All-time p4p greatest ever discussion.

He will always be behind Calzaghe.

You seem a big fan of ward az. Have you seen the Boone fight? Surprised you don't think he's chinny.

Ward can do what he wants, he 's clearly the elite in the division, but if he wants to expand his bank balance he's looking at chavez or froch. And certainly, it would improve his credibility if he came to the uk for it. If he gives a monkey's about such things.

Most likely scenario is ward boxes Carl's head off again, but in the uk, its possible froch might knock him a bit out of his stride and make it a bit more interesting.

I'm ambivalent towards him. But he is the man in the division. I want him here to showcase his skills. But Eddie will have to pay him big. It they want it pay for it and stop using Ward's name to promote froch.

It's up to them. Ward has already said that he would fight here. Are they trying to get him on the cheap?

They managed to get everyone excited by the 2nd and 3rd best fighters in the division. I don't think they're living off ward's name. He's unknown in this country.

I agree that they'd have to pay him big to come over here, and rightly so.

Was on twitter earlier, Ward basically told Hearn to put the money up and then they can talk. Dela Hoya and B-Hop claiming that Froch is an easy pay day... Froch's next fight could be career-defining, he beats Ward, and he is the king of the ring at SMW. With victories over Ward, Kessler, Bute. He loses, and he will remain in everyones eyes firmly #2. He beats Hopkins, then he makes serious inroads into ATG status, but he loses and he would have lost to Ward, Kessler, and Hopkins, making him distinctly second-tier. High risk, high reward.

Eatd is better known in USA than froch is. But more money will be made here where ppv will be huge. Ward will gey well paid for slapping him in front of his fans.

azania wrote:If froch wants him in the UK then they have to pay him his dues. I suggest froch will duck him and start mouthing off about how ward won't fight him which is a lie.

So the Amir Khan approach then.

milkyboy wrote:
You seem a big fan of ward az.

Hes not, Froch and Hearn have a mutual dislike of his idol

milkyboy wrote:They managed to get everyone excited by the 2nd and 3rd best fighters in the division. I don't think they're living off ward's name. He's unknown in this country.

I agree that they'd have to pay him big to come over here, and rightly so.

This is the issue, Ward said he will fight in the UK if the price is right, what if he said is price is in the millions? People are saying Froch and Hearn will duck but if you take PPV + Venue + Sponsorship divide that by purses and marketing etc it has to be finiacially viable, Ward could just price himself out of it, yet Froch would be the ducker. I think it was Glenn Mcrory who said last night they cant make him an offer of money, they can offer him a % of the fight, that way the fight can go ahead and still make finiancial sense to make. A % in the UK will still be more than what he would get in Oakland

Whatever anyone might think of froch, ducker isn't a word that comes to mind. Boxers give us plenty of platitudes, but if froch says he wants ward, why wouldn't anyone believe him. He's lost once to him, losing again doesn't harm him. I think he genuinely wants to avenge the defeat. As you say, sometimes the maths just doesn't stack up, and fights don't get made. Doesn't always mean 1 party actively avoided it. Though obviously sometimes fighters deliberately price themselves out of it.

In this instance if froch really wants it, he might have to make some financial sacrifices to make it happen.

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:If froch wants him in the UK then they have to pay him his dues. I suggest froch will duck him and start mouthing off about how ward won't fight him which is a lie.

So the Amir Khan approach then.

milkyboy wrote:
You seem a big fan of ward az.

Hes not, Froch and Hearn have a mutual dislike of his idol

Silly bow. Losing the debate and you come out with trash. The bottom line is that Ward has beaten Froch already. He has nothing to prove to Froch or anyone else as to who the better fighter is. I want Ward to come here also. Being a boxing fan I want to see good fights and Froch always delivers.

But already the drum rolls have started about how Ward needs to come here. The issue is simply resolved. Make it worth his while. If you don't then shut up and move on knowing that Froch is the second best. But stop calling him out and making out that he owes Carl anything.

This has nothing to do with Khan or anything else. I certainly do not dislike Froch. Ward is simply the better boxer and I'm talking as a boxing fan not a fan boy of anyone.

Does Hearn dislike Khan? Never knew that.

no-mas wrote:

milkyboy wrote:They managed to get everyone excited by the 2nd and 3rd best fighters in the division. I don't think they're living off ward's name. He's unknown in this country.

I agree that they'd have to pay him big to come over here, and rightly so.

This is the issue, Ward said he will fight in the UK if the price is right, what if he said is price is in the millions? People are saying Froch and Hearn will duck but if you take PPV + Venue + Sponsorship divide that by purses and marketing etc it has to be finiacially viable, Ward could just price himself out of it, yet Froch would be the ducker. I think it was Glenn Mcrory who said last night they cant make him an offer of money, they can offer him a % of the fight, that way the fight can go ahead and still make finiancial sense to make. A % in the UK will still be more than what he would get in Oakland

Of course it's viable. PPV sales here will be huge. I don't know how much Hatton/Floyd sold, but I reckon it will be the same. Make the fight happen Hearn. Pay the price and let them get it on.

milkyboy wrote:Whatever anyone might think of froch, ducker isn't a word that comes to mind. Boxers give us plenty of platitudes, but if froch says he wants ward, why wouldn't anyone believe him. He's lost once to him, losing again doesn't harm him. I think he genuinely wants to avenge the defeat. As you say, sometimes the maths just doesn't stack up, and fights don't get made. Doesn't always mean 1 party actively avoided it. Though obviously sometimes fighters deliberately price themselves out of it.

In this instance if froch really wants it, he might have to make some financial sacrifices to make it happen.

I have no doubt he wants Ward. Froch is a competitor and an adrenalin junkie. He wants to be the best and fight the best. I like that side of him. Plus he always delivers good value fights. But as for the location of the fight, that is up to Hearn to make it happen. Big fight and big money.

azania wrote:

Silly bow. Losing the debate and you come out with trash.

1) How am i losing a debate?
2) How is what i am saying trash?

azania wrote:
The bottom line is that Ward has beaten Froch already. He has nothing to prove to Froch or anyone else as to who the better fighter is.

So Khan should shut the f**k up about wanting a rematch with Garcia then since he got pancaked?

azania wrote:
This has nothing to do with Khan or anything else. I certainly do not dislike Froch. Ward is simply the better boxer and I'm talking as a boxing fan not a fan boy of anyone.

You owe me a new bu**s**t detector as mine just blew up with that last sentence

azania wrote:
Does Hearn dislike Khan? Never knew that..

Theres alot you dont know, doesnt stop you typing on here though

Can you keep the topic on Ward and Froch? What Khan has to do with it is anyone's guess. Froch was comprehensively beaten not to leave any doubt as to who the better boxer is. If Froch wants a rematch then he has to offer Ward something substantial to get him over here. That is common sense.

Why do you think most of Bruno's title attempts happened over here? Witherspoon and McCall were given career high purses to come over. They did. Give Ward a good payday and he will come over. Otherwise if Froch wants him pack up and go to USA.

If you disagree with that please state where and what the alternatives are? Also bear in mind that Ward has already said he is open in fighting here. Hearn has to talk to Ward;s manager and not to Sky and newspapers.

azania wrote:Can you keep the topic on Ward and Froch? What Khan has to do with it is anyone's guess. Froch was comprehensively beaten not to leave any doubt as to who the better boxer is. If Froch wants a rematch then he has to offer Ward something substantial to get him over here. That is common sense.

Why do you think most of Bruno's title attempts happened over here? Witherspoon and McCall were given career high purses to come over. They did. Give Ward a good payday and he will come over. Otherwise if Froch wants him pack up and go to USA.

If you disagree with that please state where and what the alternatives are? Also bear in mind that Ward has already said he is open in fighting here. Hearn has to talk to Ward;s manager and not to Sky and newspapers.

i was keeping it on Topic, just used Khan as an example of double standards. Yes Ward said he will fight over here, SO WHAT! i can state that i will get in the ring with Froch and Ward on the same, but if i get a call from Goosen and Hearn and i say, yeah i said that, for £5 million does that become viable? i have no doubt Froch would go to America for Ward, but Ward hasnt said where in America, he hasnt stated 'yes i will fight Froch again if not the UK then it will be Vegas'. Its easy to say things in public and then blow it off in private. Hence why i agree with i think it was Johnny Nelson, best thing to do is bring everything in the open, show if he truly wants the fight or to fight in the UK, dont hide behind promoters ala Warren and state we wanted the fight but they didnt. Bottom line, yes Froch lost to Ward 2 years ago, however Froch has the money on his side and Ward has ther number 1 spot, as others have mentioned there isnt anywhere for Ward to go that will turn him into the next big thing (exposure wise to the general public) or increase his bank balance. He states 'you come to America to be a worldwide star' David Haye hasnt fought in America, he is a worldwide star. Ward has fought all his fights in America, he isnt a worldwide star, the sooner Americans realise there is life outside America the sport could progress

I don't know what you want Ward to say then. He has already stated that he is willing to fight in the UK and invited Hearn to call his manager to set it up.

As much as I agree with you that it shouldn't be the case that fighting in America is where it's at, but Ward is correct. Haye has fought in USA before. He is a world wide star because of his mouth. But he isn't that well known as you probably believe.

Yes Froch is the bigger draw in UK and should the fight happen here it will sell out Wembley easily. Like you say, Ward can run his mouth, but that is exactly what Froch and especially Hearn is doing. Hearn should put his money where his mouth is and make the fight. The onus is on them to make it attractive enough for Ward to leave his base and slap Froch here.

I agree with Nelson. Make it public and whoever is playing the fool will be seen as such.

Ward gave a 2 minute interview where everything was clear. He said either USA or UK. Should he pick the venue, hotels etc just to satisfy you? Regardless it is up to their respective managers and in particular Hearn who has been running his mouth. Hope he has the money and the will to make it happen.

no-mas wrote:

Hes beaten Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Dawson and Bika and beaten them all fairly comfortably. I dont see how you can blame Ward for Dirrell basically getting injured in another fight and not ever subsuquently being a player in the division again. Unless of course you saying that Dirrell basically ruined his carrer to accommodate Ward winning the Super 6 (A tournament that was designed to crown the best SMW).

I think its clutching at straws a bit to say he has not cleaned out the division. Because here we are talking about Froch as being the most qualified opponent for him - and hes already beaten him. His options are think because he has beaten the best the division has to offer. [/quote]

He has beaten Kessler - Butted him to death, people say doesnt matter he was outclassing him, yeah because Kessler had a huge cut on his eye and was still be butted after every clinch.

He has beaten Froch - yes, fair and square he beat him by 2 points

He has beaten Dawson - He came down in weight and looked like a strong wind would take him down (yes Dawson said he will come down but i dont hold it as a great win)

He has beaten Abraham - Yes after Dirrell showed how to hold him off for 6 rounds and Froch had already put on a masterclass (yes that was a master class)

He has beaten Bika - Gatekeeper who he struggled with, spent most of the fight hugging him on the ropes.

My point is he hasnt fought a variety of styles, the only person on his record considered a slick boxer is Dawson and as said above he was hardly at the races. Yes he has beaten the 2nd and 3rd best, but that hardly proves he has taken all comers.
Also the stay at home issue. All his first 3 fights were in Oakland, everyone else had to move around. Also he had a better time in the super 6. Kessler was good yes but he has home advantage, then he got Bika and Alan Green! hardly stellar opponents. Then he faced a twice beaten Abraham then Froch. all in the USA. People say well that wasnt Oakland but its still a foreign crowd and Americans are prone to support there own so it is still hostile for any visiting fighter.

Also i dont like the he has beaten him before so why does he need it again, imagine if Manny had said that to Marquez or Duran to Leonard?[/quote]

I dont really see that as being a very objective take on Ward. He signed up to the Super 6 in the first place. That in itself is going outside his comfort zone. There wasnt much he could do about the likes of Taylor or Dirrell withdrawing from the tournament, and in any case his route to the final included the generally considered number two and three in the division.

Its strange that when Froch puts on a boring display against Abraham its a masterclass. But when Ward does it its just boring. The judges in the Froch/Ward fight, 2 of them anyway, were generous to Froch in my opinion. The 118-110 card was a more accurate card for me. The fight wasnt particularly close. Frankly Froch got the rub of the officials in that, not Ward. One judge gave Froch 4 out of the first 5 rounds which was incredible scoring. So I dont think he can have too many complaints. Ward was superior and I think he has shown that consistently over his career. I really dont view it as a close fight like Duran/Leonard or Pacquiao/Marquez. Frochs subsequent wins since that fight have deservedly put him in contention for a rematch. But I dont think he should expect Ward to be the one to make all the sacrifices for it.

I think there some merit in the argument that Ward should take a few more fights outside California. But some of the comments on here seem to be selling him short and insinuating his success has been down to a crafty ploy to stay at home rather than him just being better than everyone else in the division, which is the biggest factor for me.

I think there's some middle ground here. Firstly ward has proved himself the best in the division by some distance. He may not have beaten everyone, but he's beaten the next two best fighters who have beaten everyone else between them.

However, i think its a little early for the rest of the world to give up on beating him. The bika fight was closer than the cards would suggest, he has been shaken up, albeit not for some time. And he's yet to be tested against a real slickster. I don't buy this unbeatable thing... At least not until I see him continue to look a class apart for a while longer. Clearly, he looks a cut above the rest at the moment.

I will probably be on my own in saying this but I think Froch is starting to show he's aging based on last nights performance. Kessler looked more shopworn but I felt both men had seen better days.

If Froch is going to fight Ward I think he needs to do it sooner rather than later. Ward holds more cards as I see it and will deserve the bigger end of the split. The US PPV at $60-70 a pop with a large potential audience is the biggest pot of money. Froch would need to sell out a football stadium and do very big Sky Box Office numbers to generate enough money to bring Ward across the pond. My guess is the fight will happen in Vegas where the casinos are willing to shell out millions to stage a big fight in order to bring the punters to town.

The amount of financial risk Hearn would have to take on to meet Ward's demands might just be somewhere he doesn't wants to go. Ward in America looks the most likely location if Froch is willing to travel.

Can't disagree there. Plus Froch will bring in an army of boisterous fans who will take over Vegas.

Can't really see why anyone thinks a rematch is necessary in this instance-
The usual reasons would be;
First fight was an absolutely cracker - doesn't apply
First fight was controversial- doesn't apply
First fight ended with a come from behind KO- doesn't apply
Complete lack of other viable opponents - doesn't apply.
Ward fought and beat Froch with relative ease, and it's not like he fought a green version of Karl. Other than bundles of cash, why would Ward wish to do it again, fights with Chavez, or Hopkins or anyone else at LHW are all more attractive propositions.
Whilst it's easy to get caught up in the emotion of last nights fight, in the cold light of day, Karl revenged a previous loss, but against a fading opponent- it wasn't a result that justifies a rematch Ward.

Strongback wrote:I will probably be on my own in saying this but I think Froch is starting to show he's aging based on last nights performance. Kessler looked more shopworn but I felt both men had seen better days.

If Froch is going to fight Ward I think he needs to do it sooner rather than later. Ward holds more cards as I see it and will deserve the bigger end of the split. The US PPV at $60-70 a pop with a large potential audience is the biggest pot of money. Froch would need to sell out a football stadium and do very big Sky Box Office numbers to generate enough money to bring Ward across the pond. My guess is the fight will happen in Vegas where the casinos are willing to shell out millions to stage a big fight in order to bring the punters to town.

The amount of financial risk Hearn would have to take on to meet Ward's demands might just be somewhere he doesn't wants to go. Ward in America looks the most likely location if Froch is willing to travel.

i agree, Frich looked very slow, was missing a lot of punches and just looked past his best.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

i agree, Frich looked very slow, was missing a lot of punches and just looked past his best.

He got hit a lot as well. That fight alone will have added a few more miles to Froch's clock.


If he thinks he can beat Ward he needs to get the fight on soon.

I thought it was a pretty typical Froch performance. He got the win, but by virute of grittiness, toughness and willpower as much as anything else. Kessler probably did the slightly classier work, but there wasnt enough of it, and when it landed Froch proved extremelly solid. On the other hand Frochs work was cruder at times (aside from the opening couple of rounds where he boxed well) but his punches seemed to cause Kessler more problems when they landed. Aside from the Abraham fight, Ive generally found when Froch wins he tends to do so displaying alot of weaknesses but his ability to call on his toughness, stamina, willpower makes him hard work for anyone. He didnt look shopworn to me. If anything I would say right now his confidence has never been higher and physically he looks in as good condition as ever to me. No problems in the chin or stamina department.

I agree there was no problem with Froch's toughness but he looked slower to me and missed wildly a lot. I don't think there is a major decline but I think he noticeably slowed down in the middle rounds. The last third of the fight was a slug fest and there wasn't that much differentiating the fighters. I thought Kessler looked weaker than previously and his usual high output had faded.

It's hard to tell how much, if any, Froch has lost but I saw signs that Froch is 35 years old. The first Kessler fight was fought at a much higher pace and intensity.

I didnt think there was alot between both fights in terms of pace or intensity. The pattern was similar to first except it was Kessler rather than Froch who got off to a slow start. I didnt really think he was much slower or more innaccurate than usual. I think his performances at home have generally been alot better than on the road. He looks to have more confidence now. Kessler maybe looked like he was the one who feeling father time but I kind of suspected that the home advantage and revenge factor in this one would tip things Froch way. It was going to be tougher for Kessler to get himself up for this against a guy he beat already whereas Froch had the natural motivation and momentum. Similar to the first fight in many ways but with the roles reversed this time.

I think we just see this differently, nothing wrong in that. Kessler was nowhere near the fighter he once was to me. Froch as I said looked to have slowed in my eyes. Again to me the first fight was more intense over the 12 rounds. Rounds 1-6 last night were less manic than the first fight which was a slug fest from earlier on.

Kessler's decline was the major difference in this fight IMO. Kessler was there to fight but as he said in the post fight press conference he had Froch in trouble but couldn't find the energy to go for the KO.

I would agree that Kessler has declined from their first meting but I though Frochs performance was improved. He went out and took the initiative this time and banked the first three rounds. Completely the opposite to the first fight where he allowed Kessler take all the initiative and win the early rounds.

Kessler landed some good shots in the fight and I think he stunned Froch on maybe two or three occasions but I never felt Froch was in danger of being stopped. He recovered well. Of the two I thought it was Kessler who didnt seem to be able to stand up to Frochs shots as well and was probably the more in danger of the two.

manos de piedra wrote:I would agree that Kessler has declined from their first meting but I though Frochs performance was improved. He went out and took the initiative this time and banked the first three rounds. Completely the opposite to the first fight where he allowed Kessler take all the initiative and win the early rounds.

Kessler landed some good shots in the fight and I think he stunned Froch on maybe two or three occasions but I never felt Froch was in danger of being stopped. He recovered well. Of the two I thought it was Kessler who didnt seem to be able to stand up to Frochs shots as well and was probably the more in danger of the two.

Froch landed 22% of shots against a slightly over the hill kessler. He will never beat Ward on that performance.

I didnt say he would beat Ward, I dont think he would. But some of those 22% that landed on Kessler could put Ward in trouble if they land on him.

I think Ward is too talented for Froch ultimately. But I also think Froch performs better at home and has probably never been more confident.

manos de piedra wrote:I thought it was a pretty typical Froch performance. He got the win, but by virute of grittiness, toughness and willpower as much as anything else. Kessler probably did the slightly classier work, but there wasnt enough of it, and when it landed Froch proved extremelly solid. On the other hand Frochs work was cruder at times (aside from the opening couple of rounds where he boxed well) but his punches seemed to cause Kessler more problems when they landed. Aside from the Abraham fight, Ive generally found when Froch wins he tends to do so displaying alot of weaknesses but his ability to call on his toughness, stamina, willpower makes him hard work for anyone. He didnt look shopworn to me. If anything I would say right now his confidence has never been higher and physically he looks in as good condition as ever to me. No problems in the chin or stamina department.

Exactly what I say and boxers technically gifted like Ward see this and exploit this without you knowing until its too late, when you realise the other guy has sussed you out you're too far behind to change the outcome of fight. As for Dirrell that was controversial why didn't Froch give him a rematch?, but like you say his toughness, stamina and willpower may have taken eye of judges. Eddie Hearn is a complete tool desperate for the rematch with Ward in the UK, I honestly believe Froch will fight in states again but his promoter is putting words in his mouth, Hearn I heard was playing down Ward as a boxer on radio 5. Ward schools Froch anywhere many boxing writers say this as well as 99% of Froch fans when they are sober. I think Ward will fight Golovkin or Hopkins next, unless Froch is willing to travel to the states. I hope for the good of boxing Ward as a good will gesture comes over to UK and shows his class yet again.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:

Happytravelling wrote:

azania wrote:Step up Hearn.

If only it were that simple! Ward made it clear tonight he wasn't going to step outside his front door until Hearn paid him stupid money. Why would Hearn do that? Froch is PPV and bigger box office. He has two titles and, if the commentary tonight is correct, Ward has none. Although I wasn't aware he'd lost his.

Ward even made the ridiculous comment fighting in Jersey is somehow globetrotting and in the same league as Froch changing continent. Why, because he is a home boy. Like Hopkins etc. he's quick to call fighters "stay at home", when in reality he wouldn't leave his doorstep to fight his neighbours mother incase she can spit further than him.

Hearn can offer him any reasonable sum and Ward wont travel. Its the Hopkins, Mayweather, RJJ defence, the US is where it is at so I don't need to travel. But, I reserve the right to pick up paultry cheques in the US and call everybody else cowards.....

I didn't see the Froch v Ward fight but I doubt it was the walk over most make out on here. If Ward is that certain of defeat, he needs to put his body where his mouth is and prove he is the best and fight Froch in the UK. His BS is shallow till he does. He's C rate attraction in the US and he has nothing to lose by taking UK PPV.

Ward flipped the WBC the bird because they tried to put some super phoney title on him whilst cashing in with another fake WBC world title. Credit to him for that.

Ward v Froch fight was easy. Ward won at a canter with an injured hand. If Froch wants him in the UK Hearn will have to pay silly money otherwise it goes to Vegas. Regardless where it happens, Ward wins at a canter again.

Froch may be PPV in UK, but elsewhere he's just another fighter who is confirmed as the world's best paper champion.

Yes, and Bowe dumped his title and Haye had an injured toe... what semi plausable narratives we can think up... but, Froch is a 2 belt champ and Ward isn't. So, Ward has cache and no title... your point is?

Hearn doesn't have to pay any silly money at all. Who has Ward got to fight? He has no title and, is widely recognised to be head and shoulders above the rest. He isn't a draw. Who will fight him for a pasting for no title? He is worthless.

Froch comes to fight and is entertaining. Ward Vs Gatti got 3 fights in the US off similar selling points. Wright etc can't even fill 14,000 seater arenas...

Ward has no marketable value. HBO broadcast this "paperchampions" fight from foreign shores.

Financially, Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward. If not, tell me which fights out there Ward could get over Froch? There is nobody else that could bring Ward more money. Not even in the US. Even Hopkins would prefer to fight Froch over Ward so even if Ward chose that avenue he'd be second best.

So what you are saying is that there is only 1 fighter in the world Ward can fight and that is Froch?

Ward beat Froch very easily 2 years ago and if they fight again froch will be 2 years older at 36 and will lose again.

If I was Ward I wold lose 8lbs and fight Mayweather.

As Uncle Rog would say - YDKSAB!!!

The ball is in Ward's court and always will be until he loses.

He beat Froch fair and square, talking Froch's belt to add to his own WBA title.
Froch is the one who needs to avenge his loss. The fact he's got the IBF title means nothing.

Plus was 'needs' to come to the UK if he wants the fight? No. he doesn't.
Froch should travel again, he was beaten and he holds nothing to give.

Not being racist or owt but Ward is typical of your standard (successful)Black American sportsmen. I'm sure it is a cultural thing (rappers are the same) from having a chip on their shoulder about their upbringing or whatever it is. I just find it terribly distasteful. If Eddie pays me the money etc......

Look at the difference home advantage made in the Froch matches against Kessler. Ward is the one who needs to travel to prove himself. Just because he beat Froch in America doesn’t mean he beats him in Britain where Froch has looked unstoppable.

seanmichaels wrote:Not being racist or owt but Ward is typical of your standard (successful)Black American sportsmen. I'm sure it is a cultural thing (rappers are the same) from having a chip on their shoulder about their upbringing or whatever it is. I just find it terribly distasteful. If Eddie pays me the money etc......

You mean like eminem............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:Not being racist or owt but Ward is typical of your standard (successful)Black American sportsmen. I'm sure it is a cultural thing (rappers are the same) from having a chip on their shoulder about their upbringing or whatever it is. I just find it terribly distasteful. If Eddie pays me the money etc......

You mean like eminem............

He's the equivalent of a gypo over here.

you must know what I mean though? Cuba Gooding jnr in Jerry Maguire, Mayweather

Well say no more..

winchester wrote:Look at the difference home advantage made in the Froch matches against Kessler. Ward is the one who needs to travel to prove himself. Just because he beat Froch in America doesn’t mean he beats him in Britain where Froch has looked unstoppable.

Froch performance on saturday was superb, but he never looks unstoppable (assuming you actually mean unbeatable). He let Kessler back into the fight in the mid rounds plus Dirrel was not a good fight from Froch. Ward doesn't need to prove himself as he already did this in the super 6. It would be great for him to fight over here, but it is his decision and not a deal breaker for his legacy.

Ward won the first fight easy, it was 118-110, the other judges must have fallen asleep for a few rounds.

I would like to see a rematch though, why deny Froch the opportunity? He has earned it and never been afraid to put his career on the line, we have been shocked before, who says it can't happen again...

BoxingFan88 wrote:Ward won the first fight easy, it was 118-110, the other judges must have fallen asleep for a few rounds.

I would like to see a rematch though, why deny Froch the opportunity? He has earned it and never been afraid to put his career on the line, we have been shocked before, who says it can't happen again...

Can't see that he has really earned a rematch, yes good performance against Kessler, but if you were in Wards shoes- what's to prove? He beat Kessler more convincingly than Froch did, and he's already beaten Froch at a canter- another win over him does little for his legacy so where's the motivation (other than financial) Froch and Kessler fighting for the right to be regarded as the divisions number two is unlikey to be something that Ward cares about- he's done with these two. Looking for new challenges rather going over the same old ground is likely to be more satisfying- why do you think the likes of Mayweather etc jump from weight to weight rather than settle into routine defences- when you're that good you need to look for fights that motivate or enhance legacies.