Froch v Ward

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The remtch has to be the next fight for both these guys. Ward wins an easy UD for me. Froch looked very slow against kessler throwing 1000 punches and only landing 22% of them.

If Kessler can evade froch's punches with success then imagine Ward. Froch would have something like a 15% success rate against him at best.

Perhaps James DeGale against froch if tv doesn't get in the way. I actually think that would be a nightmare fight for froch.

Someone tapped on to how I feel about this earlier.

Firstly, if Ward feels there is no merit in him fighting Froch then fair enough but it would seem the only way for him to get a big pay day otherwise is move up a weight.

However, if he truly wants to show himself to be fearless and confident (as he talks) of beating Froch again then he should come to the UK to fight Froch. I listened to him saying (or trying to claim) all of his fights are flyaway anyway so claims he only fights at home are unfair. Tosh. Anywhere in the US is a home fight or else could we claim that Froch's fight last night was an away fight because it wasn't in Nottingham? My estimation of boxers as all-time greats are judged on the toughness of the fights they take on and also fighting away from home takes guts and confidence. Therefore it is up to Ward how great he wants to make himself.

Ward has to either fight Froch in the UK (only fair as well considering their last fight was in the States) or move on up a weight as there are no other big names left for him to fight outwith Froch.

No chance is that so called pound for pound chump going outside his comfort zone.

He never has and never will.

I dont rate him ar all. Froch and Kessler have bothe been in brilliant fights and have travelled to do so.

Froch now holds two belts, so actually HE is the champ as well.

If I were froch id say its in the UK or it aint happening.

Have one more fight, dont involve ward, and retire.

Ward is clearly scared of coming out his comfort zone and to me thats not a mark of a P4P fighter or champion.

mobilemaster8 wrote:No chance is that so called pound for pound chump going outside his comfort zone.

He never has and never will.

I dont rate him ar all. Froch and Kessler have bothe been in brilliant fights and have travelled to do so.

Froch now holds two belts, so actually HE is the champ as well.

If I were froch id say its in the UK or it aint happening.

Have one more fight, dont involve ward, and retire.

Ward is clearly scared of coming out his comfort zone and to me thats not a mark of a P4P fighter or champion.

Spot on. Ward has had his home advantage fight against Froch. Is he lowering his standards below Kessler who had the balls to fight Froch in the UK?

Froch has the keys now, 2 world belts. Get Ward over here, out of his comfort zone. I maintain that Froch has improved since their 2011 fight, and it would be a lot closer that people think. Ward needs this fight to improve his legacy by having an away fight, Froch needs this fight for a shot at redemption.

Ward will never be beaten at SMW he's just to good the equivalent of mayweather but IMO not in a stronger division

Froch just one wards belt last night, even though ward has never lost. The belts are beyond a joke. There is no point in trying to spin it any other way than ward is the super middle weight champ, froch is the no1 contender. Should the no1 contender be calling the shots?

Nope the belts come with the moniker of world title and Ward has none. If Ward boxes as good as he talks then he should have no fears about coming over to the UK (filling his bank balance in the process) and comfortably beating Froch. After all Froch has fought Ward in his backyard already so Ward to you have the balls of Mikkel Kessler or just a mouth the size of the EuroTunnel.

Why would anyone want to see him fight Ward? He is a stinker. Good fighter but very boring. If it does happen it needs to be in the UK. Froch fought in the US so Ward needs to return the favour.

I'd like to see him fight Clev or Groves.

Jack, the best fights tend to be between the best fighters/contenders at each weight plus with a bit of history and bad blood between them. Those are the box office fights that tend to be classics.

Ward was the Wba champ, the Wba wanted more comition, so they made ward super champion (or some nonsense) so they could pimp the belt out again for a Kessler fight. Ward rightly told them where to go.

Expect froch to be stripped next for having the audacity of holding 2 belts.

Was being the optimum word there. I judge boxers claims to be the best by the scale of the challenges they take on AND where they box. Ward fails in that he refuses to fight out of the States. Why? If he is as good as he claims then surely he'll be happy to fight anyone anywhere. After all he has already had one home advantage fight V Froch.

I'm sorry but how is anyone buying into this rubbish from Eddie Hearn that Andre Ward has no titles?

Andre Ward is the Super WBA super middleweight champion, for those not familiar, he's the real WBA champion.

On top of that he's the RING magazine champion.

So he's got two titles.

He was stripped of his WBC title, otherwise he'd have three titles.

He also has that whole "Son of God" title. Must be worth something.

Gerry - boxing thrives on fights between the best boxers in the division do they not? Kessler V Froch proves that.

The next logical big fight would be Froch V Ward unifying most titles.Now Ward's cockiness does him no favours with people and fair enough he feels he would still beat Froch so if he is so confident come to the UK and fight and return the favour that Froch did him. He'd gain far more kudos, far more money for him and cement his standing as a great of the sport. Sorry but his refusal to fight out of the States does him no favours whatsoever. Kessler had the balls for it but evidently it would seem that Ward hasn't.

Ward has already beaten froch. Case closed.

Someone tell Floyd to fight manny in the Philippines. Or Saul in Mexico City.

Fine then Ward will be left to move up a weight as there is nothing left for him at this weight. At least Manny fights outside of his own country as do all great fighters. Apparently, not Ward. I wonder why? If he is so good and so confident he would fight anybody, anywhere but I suppose that is just all front and BS on his part.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Gerry - boxing thrives on fights between the best boxers in the division do they not? Kessler V Froch proves that.

The next logical big fight would be Froch V Ward unifying most titles.Now Ward's cockiness does him no favours with people and fair enough he feels he would still beat Froch so if he is so confident come to the UK and fight and return the favour that Froch did him. He'd gain far more kudos, far more money for him and cement his standing as a great of the sport. Sorry but his refusal to fight out of the States does him no favours whatsoever. Kessler had the balls for it but evidently it would seem that Ward hasn't.

I'm all for big fights Craig, but Andre Ward has already humiliated Carl Froch.

Froch Kessler 1 was a close fight so merited a rematch.

Ward Froch was a one sided fight and therefore a rematch isn't deserved.

Well Gerry if you are all for big fights name me a bigger fight Ward can find at this weight at present?

Manny fights in USA because as ward said that is where the money is. Ward has the young guns to slap. If Eddie pays him enough he will come here. Its up to Eddie. Ward won't come cheap. He's the world champion. Pay him or shut up.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Fine then Ward will be left to move up a weight as there is nothing left for him at this weight. At least Manny fights outside of his own country as do all great fighters. Apparently, not Ward. I wonder why? If he is so good and so confident he would fight anybody, anywhere but I suppose that is just all front and BS on his part.

Don't be ridiculous - hs fans are all in america hence he stays there - after the pasting Froch got last time I wonder how much he actually wants this fight. If ward comes here it will do nothing for his legacy except show that he isnt scared to step out. If it happens here, its more likely that Hearn and Froch have turned out their pockets to get him here and we'll see a masterclass again and Ward left in similar position - there being no one of note to fight.

Ward can slap as many young guns as he wants but those fights don't win you accolades and admiration and don't generate excitement. If Ward wants to prove how good he is and how superior he is then he needs to do it out of his comfort zone ie outside the States. Those sort of ventures against the other best boxer at the weight wins the accolades and cements your greatness in the sport not slapping bums around.

You mean bums like Kessler and Froch? Both of whom he treated with the same disdain as he did much lesser fighters. Froch is gutsy and uses his brain alittle more but if he thinks throwing a few more punches will win the fight then he is deluding himself. A 25ish percent accuracy rate against Kessler probably means a 15% accuracy rate against Ward and a night of painful embarrasment. I wouldn't mind seeing the fight but if Ward fights anyone else, they've got just as much right to the chance.

He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

ShahenshahG wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Fine then Ward will be left to move up a weight as there is nothing left for him at this weight. At least Manny fights outside of his own country as do all great fighters. Apparently, not Ward. I wonder why? If he is so good and so confident he would fight anybody, anywhere but I suppose that is just all front and BS on his part.

Don't be ridiculous - hs fans are all in america hence he stays there - after the pasting Froch got last time I wonder how much he actually wants this fight. If ward comes here it will do nothing for his legacy except show that he isnt scared to step out. If it happens here, its more likely that Hearn and Froch have turned out their pockets to get him here and we'll see a masterclass again and Ward left in similar position - there being no one of note to fight.

Sorry but it isn't ridiculous as far as I am concerned. For me greats of any sport cement greatness by going out of their comfort zone but still pulling off the wins against the best. If you can name me the fight in this division that will generate more interest than Ward V Froch then good luck to you. Sure Froch may get beaten - that is not the point here. The point is does Ward have the bottle, ambition or will to fight out of his comfort zone of the USA?

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

No the same would apply to Mayweather as far as I am concerned. Yes it is a fair point about Hearn paying up for the fight though.

Exactly Az! And all this talk of Ward being a hometown fighter.. for me this is a stupid argument, people forget he SCHOOLED Froch, the fact he was at home wasn't the reason he won. Besides, Froch's proved he can fight well away from home.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Fine then Ward will be left to move up a weight as there is nothing left for him at this weight. At least Manny fights outside of his own country as do all great fighters. Apparently, not Ward. I wonder why? If he is so good and so confident he would fight anybody, anywhere but I suppose that is just all front and BS on his part.

Don't be ridiculous - hs fans are all in america hence he stays there - after the pasting Froch got last time I wonder how much he actually wants this fight. If ward comes here it will do nothing for his legacy except show that he isnt scared to step out. If it happens here, its more likely that Hearn and Froch have turned out their pockets to get him here and we'll see a masterclass again and Ward left in similar position - there being no one of note to fight.

Sorry but it isn't ridiculous as far as I am concerned. For me greats of any sport cement greatness by going out of their comfort zone but still pulling off the wins against the best. If you can name me the fight in this division that will generate more interest than Ward V Froch then good luck to you. Sure Froch may get beaten - that is not the point here. The point is does Ward have the bottle, ambition or will to fight out of his comfort zone of the USA?

No - the point is does Froch want the fight enough to pay Ward enough to come over here? If he does it will happen, if he doesnt then it won't.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Fine then Ward will be left to move up a weight as there is nothing left for him at this weight. At least Manny fights outside of his own country as do all great fighters. Apparently, not Ward. I wonder why? If he is so good and so confident he would fight anybody, anywhere but I suppose that is just all front and BS on his part.

Don't be ridiculous - hs fans are all in america hence he stays there - after the pasting Froch got last time I wonder how much he actually wants this fight. If ward comes here it will do nothing for his legacy except show that he isnt scared to step out. If it happens here, its more likely that Hearn and Froch have turned out their pockets to get him here and we'll see a masterclass again and Ward left in similar position - there being no one of note to fight.

Sorry but it isn't ridiculous as far as I am concerned. For me greats of any sport cement greatness by going out of their comfort zone but still pulling off the wins against the best. If you can name me the fight in this division that will generate more interest than Ward V Froch then good luck to you. Sure Froch may get beaten - that is not the point here. The point is does Ward have the bottle, ambition or will to fight out of his comfort zone of the USA?

This fight may generate more in Vegas, and a bigger payday for both. I have a feeling Hearn will not pay Ward enough to come to the U.K.

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

Has Ward ever set PPV records or is he the highest paid athlete in the world?

Why are people saying Froch was slapped around or humiliated last time out, correct me if im wrong but didnt 2 of the Judges only have it 2 points to Ward, hardly a lesson really. Also from watching the first fight you can see that Froch did get into great positions but didnt throw anything, nerves? occassion got to him? since that defeat everyone can see Froch has improved, he starts faster now, throws his punches in bunches and if he uses that jab he used last night, he can give Ward problems. Not saying he would win, but i dont see why he should be dismissed because he lost by 2 points last time, also it would be the divisions number 1 vs number 2.

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

Has Ward ever set PPV records or is he the highest paid athlete in the world?

Why are people saying Froch was slapped around or humiliated last time out, correct me if im wrong but didnt 2 of the Judges only have it 2 points to Ward, hardly a lesson really. Also from watching the first fight you can see that Froch did get into great positions but didnt throw anything, nerves? occassion got to him? since that defeat everyone can see Froch has improved, he starts faster now, throws his punches in bunches and if he uses that jab he used last night, he can give Ward problems. Not saying he would win, but i dont see why he should be dismissed because he lost by 2 points last time, also it would be the divisions number 1 vs number 2.

So the divisions number 1 should hold all the cards when it comes to negotiating the fight.

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

Has Ward ever set PPV records or is he the highest paid athlete in the world?

Why are people saying Froch was slapped around or humiliated last time out, correct me if im wrong but didnt 2 of the Judges only have it 2 points to Ward, hardly a lesson really. Also from watching the first fight you can see that Froch did get into great positions but didnt throw anything, nerves? occassion got to him? since that defeat everyone can see Froch has improved, he starts faster now, throws his punches in bunches and if he uses that jab he used last night, he can give Ward problems. Not saying he would win, but i dont see why he should be dismissed because he lost by 2 points last time, also it would be the divisions number 1 vs number 2.

So the divisions number 1 should hold all the cards when it comes to negotiating the fight.

Not really no as to me it would be more of a 50/50 occassion. Ward brings the title of number 1 and redemption for Froch and Froch brings the money. Froch can aim for his legacy and Ward can put to bed the stay at home tag and be a lot richer for it

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

Has Ward ever set PPV records or is he the highest paid athlete in the world?

Why are people saying Froch was slapped around or humiliated last time out, correct me if im wrong but didnt 2 of the Judges only have it 2 points to Ward, hardly a lesson really. Also from watching the first fight you can see that Froch did get into great positions but didnt throw anything, nerves? occassion got to him? since that defeat everyone can see Froch has improved, he starts faster now, throws his punches in bunches and if he uses that jab he used last night, he can give Ward problems. Not saying he would win, but i dont see why he should be dismissed because he lost by 2 points last time, also it would be the divisions number 1 vs number 2.

So the divisions number 1 should hold all the cards when it comes to negotiating the fight.

What does it matter? If you as a Ward fan feels this would be a no-contest then why bother about Ward coming to fight in the UK? Besides Ward has already had home advantage in the first fight so like Kessler he should return the favour and fight in the UK - but then we come back to the old issue of does he have the balls for it?

no-mas wrote:

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:He slapped froch around already. Is he a bum. Where the fight happens is up to Eddie. Pay him and the fight will happen.

Has Floyd fought outside usa? Or is it a special rule for ward.

Has Ward ever set PPV records or is he the highest paid athlete in the world?

Why are people saying Froch was slapped around or humiliated last time out, correct me if im wrong but didnt 2 of the Judges only have it 2 points to Ward, hardly a lesson really. Also from watching the first fight you can see that Froch did get into great positions but didnt throw anything, nerves? occassion got to him? since that defeat everyone can see Froch has improved, he starts faster now, throws his punches in bunches and if he uses that jab he used last night, he can give Ward problems. Not saying he would win, but i dont see why he should be dismissed because he lost by 2 points last time, also it would be the divisions number 1 vs number 2.

So the divisions number 1 should hold all the cards when it comes to negotiating the fight.

Not really no as to me it would be more of a 50/50 occassion. Ward brings the title of number 1 and redemption for Froch and Froch brings the money. Froch can aim for his legacy and Ward can put to bed the stay at home tag and be a lot richer for it

Exactly, a win-win situation.

Ward has fought and beat the best fighters in the division. That in itself is going outside his comfort zonze. Hes not fighting bums here.

He has beaten Froch handily already so the honus is on Froch now if he wants to avenge that. It seems to be selling Ward a little short in the suggestion his success lies down to fighting in the U.S. In all of his fights he has outclassed his opponent. As a result, the likes of Froch and Kessler are reduced to ignoring this but trying to make out that because they are more exciting fighters that engage in "wars" that they are actually better.

Ward is in an awkward position becuase he looks to be too good really for anyone that is in or around his weight class. The fact that less than a couple of years after he beat Froch quite comfortably, that a rematch is seen to be in some ways the perogative of Ward highlights this.

If Wards win over Froch had been a close one, I could have more sympathy that he owes Froch a return in the UK. But he beat him quite comfortably and has risen to the clear number 1 in the division by beating the others so that brings some entitlement with it. I dont really buy that Ward need Froch more than vice versa.

This talk of titles is rhubarb!

Ward beat Froch (&Kessler) by a healthy margin, he is top dog at the weight regardless of titles. As Gerry says!

The rematch in the UK would be intriguing but the fight probably wouldn't be a good watch. Froch's only hope would be to set a blistering pace and try to ask questions over Ward's physicality, fitness and desire. Even then, considering that Ward looked the bigger stronger guy in the first fight, I don't see Froch winning unfortunately.

Let's celebrate a great win last night!

Yes Manos.

As much as I like Froch, if anyone has the right to rematch Ward it is Kessler after the grotesque amount of fouls that Ward was allowed to inflict in their fight.

manos de piedra wrote:Ward has fought and beat the best fighters in the division. That in itself is going outside his comfort zonze. Hes not fighting bums here.
In all of his fights he has outclassed his opponent.

Hes not fighting bums and outclasses them? have you seem the Bika fight? disgusting use of the head in which he struggled if memory serves me.

Ward has beaten - Froch, Kessler and a drained Dawson. Who else?

He has hardly cleared out the division, to be honest i give Froch more Kudos as he has fought more top opponents and a variety of styles, its back to the Manny situation for me. Ward has looked good and come forward fighters (Froch and Kessler) but i havent seen him against full on slick boxers. He was due to in the Super six but funnily enough Dirrells "bleed on the brain" stopped that one from happening. Froch has taken on and beaten Dirrell, what would happen if Dirrell beat Ward? but we will never know as they are friends and dont want to slap each other. Manny looked good against come forward boxers, but but him in with someone with movement and he looked average. Yes Ward has beaten the 2nd and 3rd best in the division, but that doesnt mean he has cleaned out the whole divison

The argument that he's champ and shouldn't have to travel just collapses on itself when you relies that every world champion he beat he did in Oakland, meaning that the reigning champ moved to fight him

I don't really agree that a fighter needs to fight outside their country, although the amount of times he's fought in Oakland is a bit poor, but I do think that the fight should be made where the demand is and right now the biggest demand for any Ward fight is currently in the UK

Has ward ever had an atmosphere like last night or the Bute fight? No. Has he ever had to experiance the negative side of a crowd that big and the boos and taunts? No. Ward draws flies so we don't know how he'll react with a atmosphere like that

If he's so much better than he should take the fight for a big payday. The first fight wasn't a blowout and Froch definately finished the final rounds stronger and Ward looked a little rattled

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:The argument that he's champ and shouldn't have to travel just collapses on itself when you relies that every world champion he beat he did in Oakland, meaning that the reigning champ moved to fight him

I don't really agree that a fighter needs to fight outside their country, although the amount of times he's fought in Oakland is a bit poor, but I do think that the fight should be made where the demand is and right now the biggest demand for any Ward fight is currently in the UK

Has ward ever had an atmosphere like last night or the Bute fight? No. Has he ever had to experiance the negative side of a crowd that big and the boos and taunts? No. Ward draws flies so we don't know how he'll react with a atmosphere like that

If he's so much better than he should take the fight for a big payday. The first fight wasn't a blowout and Froch definately finished the final rounds stronger and Ward looked a little rattled

Exactly

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:The argument that he's champ and shouldn't have to travel just collapses on itself when you relies that every world champion he beat he did in Oakland, meaning that the reigning champ moved to fight him

I don't really agree that a fighter needs to fight outside their country, although the amount of times he's fought in Oakland is a bit poor, but I do think that the fight should be made where the demand is and right now the biggest demand for any Ward fight is currently in the UK

Has ward ever had an atmosphere like last night or the Bute fight? No. Has he ever had to experiance the negative side of a crowd that big and the boos and taunts? No. Ward draws flies so we don't know how he'll react with a atmosphere like that

If he's so much better than he should take the fight for a big payday. The first fight wasn't a blowout and Froch definately finished the final rounds stronger and Ward looked a little rattled

Spot on. I couldn't have put it better.

people forget the Ward Froch fight was not in Wards back yard, it was a few hours plane journey for him also. While he would have still have a lot of fans there compared to Froch, States in the USA are not far off from countries. I think if Ward did come to the UK he would not want it in Nottingham which would be fair as the last fight was also not in Wards home town. I think he will take it if its in London. Froch will certainly put him under more pressure if the fight was in the UK but Ward would still outclass him and end up taking the fight quite comfortable in the end. And as Carl may be more fired up Ward may even find the openings to stop him as he has more power than people think.

no-mas wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Ward has fought and beat the best fighters in the division. That in itself is going outside his comfort zonze. Hes not fighting bums here.
In all of his fights he has outclassed his opponent.

Hes not fighting bums and outclasses them? have you seem the Bika fight? disgusting use of the head in which he struggled if memory serves me.

Ward has beaten - Froch, Kessler and a drained Dawson. Who else?

He has hardly cleared out the division, to be honest i give Froch more Kudos as he has fought more top opponents and a variety of styles, its back to the Manny situation for me. Ward has looked good and come forward fighters (Froch and Kessler) but i havent seen him against full on slick boxers. He was due to in the Super six but funnily enough Dirrells "bleed on the brain" stopped that one from happening. Froch has taken on and beaten Dirrell, what would happen if Dirrell beat Ward? but we will never know as they are friends and dont want to slap each other. Manny looked good against come forward boxers, but but him in with someone with movement and he looked average. Yes Ward has beaten the 2nd and 3rd best in the division, but that doesnt mean he has cleaned out the whole divison

Hes beaten Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Dawson and Bika and beaten them all fairly comfortably. I dont see how you can blame Ward for Dirrell basically getting injured in another fight and not ever subsuquently being a player in the division again. Unless of course you saying that Dirrell basically ruined his carrer to accommodate Ward winning the Super 6 (A tournament that was designed to crown the best SMW).

I think its clutching at straws a bit to say he has not cleaned out the division. Because here we are talking about Froch as being the most qualified opponent for him - and hes already beaten him. His options are think because he has beaten the best the division has to offer.

Kessler is the only reigning world champion he beat for a title in Oakand. Froch was on the East Coast and Dawson had no titles at stake.

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Hes beaten Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Dawson and Bika and beaten them all fairly comfortably. I dont see how you can blame Ward for Dirrell basically getting injured in another fight and not ever subsuquently being a player in the division again. Unless of course you saying that Dirrell basically ruined his carrer to accommodate Ward winning the Super 6 (A tournament that was designed to crown the best SMW).

I think its clutching at straws a bit to say he has not cleaned out the division. Because here we are talking about Froch as being the most qualified opponent for him - and hes already beaten him. His options are think because he has beaten the best the division has to offer. [/quote]

He has beaten Kessler - Butted him to death, people say doesnt matter he was outclassing him, yeah because Kessler had a huge cut on his eye and was still be butted after every clinch.

He has beaten Froch - yes, fair and square he beat him by 2 points

He has beaten Dawson - He came down in weight and looked like a strong wind would take him down (yes Dawson said he will come down but i dont hold it as a great win)

He has beaten Abraham - Yes after Dirrell showed how to hold him off for 6 rounds and Froch had already put on a masterclass (yes that was a master class)

He has beaten Bika - Gatekeeper who he struggled with, spent most of the fight hugging him on the ropes.

My point is he hasnt fought a variety of styles, the only person on his record considered a slick boxer is Dawson and as said above he was hardly at the races. Yes he has beaten the 2nd and 3rd best, but that hardly proves he has taken all comers.
Also the stay at home issue. All his first 3 fights were in Oakland, everyone else had to move around. Also he had a better time in the super 6. Kessler was good yes but he has home advantage, then he got Bika and Alan Green! hardly stellar opponents. Then he faced a twice beaten Abraham then Froch. all in the USA. People say well that wasnt Oakland but its still a foreign crowd and Americans are prone to support there own so it is still hostile for any visiting fighter.

Also i dont like the he has beaten him before so why does he need it again, imagine if Manny had said that to Marquez or Duran to Leonard?

Show Ward the money and he will come here to beat froch in an exhibition of sublime pugilistic skills. End of.

He beat froch by a country mile. Those judges were a joke. It was a masterclass. Most had it by wide margins.

azania wrote:Show Ward the money and he will come here to beat froch in an exhibition of sublime pugilistic skills. End of.

Dont show Ward the money and he will flop on PPV without a viable opponent in the USA, fizzle and and join the 'could have been' club all whilst fighting in front of his 20 relatives in Oakland crying why the number 2 and 3 in the division are getting more publicity and money than him

azania wrote:He beat froch by a country mile. Those judges were a joke. It was a masterclass. Most had it by wide margins.

Yeah and Hatton was beating Manny by a country mile in the second, Khan was beating Garcia by a country mile on the cards, just because you say it doesnt change the record books