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What a loud mouth foolish guy. Fight Ward and get humble again. Saw his performance on ringside and he came across as a first rate jerk.

War FROCH!!!!

Az is just bitter because he can't predict fights at all

azania wrote:If they are interesting and close to the truth. Not when they are an also ran in the division. He got outclassed by Ward and now giving it large. Ward should shut him up again.

Chisora and Fury? Interesting - depends on your point of view really. Close to the truth - not sure either of their comments have ever been anywhere near!

Lets be fair Froch has been a tool and has received the suitable amount of grief for it on here from pretty much everyone.

I don’t understand the negativity towards our successful fighters. Whats wrong with giving them support? Our two most successful fighters at the moment are probably Froch and Fury. They get dogs abuse as does anyone who seems to support them. Khan got found out for having a glass jaw but even before then people were knocking him. Same with Haye. What is it that we cant just support these guys instead of worshipping some foreigner like Ward or the Klitschko brothers. They aren’t even that good but people fawn over them while slating our own guys who want to beat them. Nothing wrong with getting behind your own boxers.

What was the SKY commentary like onStaruday for Froch v Kessler? I watched the HBO broadcast

Thought it was OK, Ian Darke was his usual self and Richie was ringside giving an honest assessment. Said after four/five rounds that Froch needed to get back to working behind the jab but that Kessler was too good a fighter to just allow Froch to walk through him.

DAVE667 wrote:Thought it was OK, Ian Darke was his usual self and Richie was ringside giving an honest assessment. Said after four/five rounds that Froch needed to get back to working behind the jab but that Kessler was too good a fighter to just allow Froch to walk through him.

Sounds about right from Woodhall.

kingraf wrote:Wait what? Az doesnt come across as racist... I rarely agree with him on anything, but I dont think he is racially motivated in his hate of Frodo-Froch. He just hates the guy. In the same way I dont think Super_realist dislikes Tiger Woods because he is black, but rather because he finds him a ***.

The race card gets pulled out to quickly.

Yeh, and mainly by Az.

You've not be round here long enough raf, but we've enjoyed previous threads accusing us all of being racist simply for suggesting Amir Khan might want to think before he talks, as just one example.

Now Carl is basically doing exactly the same as Amir, Az has extracted his tongue from Amir's jacksie and is criticising Froch for what he defends Khan for.

#issues

Yorkshire people and the word "the", I do find it amusing.

Just as Audley needs to buy a new drawing board, Az may need to buy a new race card soon as the one he keeps whipping out is rather tired and worn.

Strongback wrote:Yorkshire people and the word "the", I do find it amusing.

I prefer it when we talk to certain people and use the word (or t'word) "couldn't". Surely you'll have heard something similar on numerous occasions.

I worked for a company whose head office was in Leeds. It's true what they say about it being "grim up North".

Someone coating off Yorkshire and Rowley is nowhere to be seen? Where is he these days anyway? I dont believe hes got anything better to do with his time.

He's on hol, back next week I believe.

He's on a treadmill chasing a pie (a prop - no true yorkshireman lets a pie go to room temperature) thats suspended in front of him on the end of a fishing rod. Mrs Rowley changes the acetate on the projector every day or two to convince Jeff that he is holiday and that everyone in the world is from sheffield.

winchester wrote:He hasnt proved himself like Froch

Currently 1 - 0 to Ward in their matches via a wide and fair UD

Can't prove yourself more than that.

You're on the windup, surely?

The annoying thing is that this glosses over how well froch and kessler came over after the fight. Both admitting that they had each other hurt and showing lots of respect. Then he comes out and talks nonsense

Maybe steffan kidnapped him after the fight because he was coming round to liking him and replaced him with a obnoxious cyborg

winchester wrote:Typical really. Froch finally achieves mainstream success and people start criticising him because of it. The old build em up, knock em down approach. Froch is a credit to boxing. Most of what he says about Ward is correct. The guy is boring, wont travel or takes risk and is arrogant. Froch has proven himself against the best time and time again. Ward hasn’t. Ward beat him in a close fight in America and Froch is entitled to ask why Ward wont come to the UK for a rematch where its obvious with the crowd support and home advantage Froch is a much better fighter. At the moment I would put Froch as the number 1 in the division because he is a bigger name, has more support and most importantl is more proven. Ward still has too many question marks and until he beats Froch in the UK I don’t think he should call himself number 1. People should give Froch more respect. He is great for boxing.

LOL what you been smoking



emancipator

winchester wrote:Or maybe people in Britain want to get behind Froch and support him rather than give him stick. Im not a fan of Ward so why should I be expected to worship him. He hasnt proved himself like Froch and until he beats Froch in the UK then I dont see why he should call himself number 1. The Kessler fight showed the differance home advantage can make. Froch lost a close decision to Ward last time when not at his best away from home. A fully fired up Froch out for revenge with 20,000 fans behind him beats Ward in the UK. So Froch is number 1 for me. If Ward comes over here and beats Froch then he deserves to be number 1. Until then, its Froch.

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I am the emancipator



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TopHat24/7 wrote:

kingraf wrote:Wait what? Az doesnt come across as racist... I rarely agree with him on anything, but I dont think he is racially motivated in his hate of Frodo-Froch. He just hates the guy. In the same way I dont think Super_realist dislikes Tiger Woods because he is black, but rather because he finds him a ***.

The race card gets pulled out to quickly.

Yeh, and mainly by Az.

You've not be round here long enough raf, but we've enjoyed previous threads accusing us all of being racist simply for suggesting Amir Khan might want to think before he talks, as just one example.

Now Carl is basically doing exactly the same as Amir, Az has extracted his tongue from Amir's jacksie and is criticising Froch for what he defends Khan for.

#issues

BS and I reckon you know it also. Someone started a thread about Khan saying that he isn't as popular because he is Asian origin. I agreed with him. Then the issued and unhinged posters went over his every word with a fine toothcomb and surgically dissected his every word and criticised him in a manner not seen on this board until Fury came along.

People wanted him killed in the ring, many said he was delusional when he said he was the best in the division. Note that this was before Peterson cheated and got a dodgy decision and before Garcia when Khan had a legot claim to be the best in the division.

Then because it is Khan, people suspended reality and claimed that PED isn't actually PED when it was taken by Peterson and had no effect on the performance. Note what PED stands for. Reality suspended. Had Khan said what Froch said yesterday he would have been criticised with vitriol. I know you will claim that Froch is being criticised here, but the manner is reserved and measured. Khan is open season. Yes in my view, the vitriol Khan gets is because of who he is.

I have heard that the vitriol is because of my support of him. In that case those writing it are extremely shallow, stupid, ignorant and have serious issues. Take the word "issue" whichever way you want.

Now some extreme idiot claims I'm criticising Froch because he is white. Run with that if you want. But tamper it with my criticism of Broner. Last I checked he isn't white. He is flamboyant and extrovert. Everything many here claim would appeal to me. For the ignorant and dense who post here, I am not a fan of his because I have written several times that his act is just that, an act and very contrived. In short a fake personality. It isn't natural like Floyd or even Fury.

But feel free to believe what you want and how you want to interprit whatever is written. Over to you. And for goodness sake, deal with your issues.

seanmichaels wrote:Most entertaining fighter in the world right now. Az has a problem because he is white.

Great. And you don't have a problem with what Froch said because he is white. And have issues with Khan and Ward because they are not white.

#fact.

Spaceman came down
to answer some things
The world gathered 'round
from paupers to Kings.
I'll answer your questions,
I'll answer them true
I show you the way,
you know what to do.

Who is wrong and who is right?
Yellow, brown, black or white?
Spaceman he answered:
"You no longer mind
I've opened your eyes
You're now colour blind."

Racial, so...

....so what?

I'm a Froch fan, but it doesn't matter whether Ward has the personality of a plank of wood he is simply head and shoulders above anything in the division. I'm afraid Froch and Hearn are talking out of their backsides.

Froch has earned the right to a rematch no question, Ward was always going to fight the winner of last Saturday's rematch, that's why he was there.


Now Ward doesn't have to come to the UK, but it is the chance for him to answer the one remaining question mark hanging over him.


He must acknowledge, even if only in private, that he had it easy in the Super Six, while certain others had it tough.


Froch does have two belts too, and has shown the greater durability of any of the Super Six participants including Ward.


If Ward came over here and beat the divisional number two, then as far as most fans are concerned, he could then go off and do what he likes.


Until such a time, Ward is always going to have this monkey on his back.

Ward has a win against Froch, it was also convincing. In terms of legacy he doesn't need to fight Froch, it only makes sence if the money is right.

Strongback wrote:Ward has a win against Froch, it was also convincing. In terms of legacy he doesn't need to fight Froch, it only makes sence if the money is right.

Where does Froch go without Ward ? & vice versa, Barry Hearn knows Froch is matchrooms cash machine and was bleating on about PPV back on sky, without Ward next cant see how Froch will be on PPV. They need to build the Groves fight (which it looks like they are doing) Groves an amiable character now seems to be taunting Froch all of a sudden, more Matchroom tweeting that Groves I'd imagine.

Ward has cleaned out the super middle and trumped the light heavy champion in dramatic fashion, his number 1 P4P for me, Froch and Hearn should be banging down the door for a rematch, yes boxing is a business but fans will only pay for so long, hence Mayweather in with Canelo next. Suffice to say if the Guerrero fight was a financial success we'd be more than likely getting Alexander next, Jeff suggested years ago we should stop paying to watch Mayweather & Manny with two of them and the tv execs would certainly make them fight one another, looks like he'd be right.

I reckon Hearn can cash Froch once more maximum without it being Ward, Groves needs another 2 big fights for the public to ask for that one.

Cheers Rodders

Strongback wrote:Ward has a win against Froch, it was also convincing. In terms of legacy he doesn't need to fight Froch, it only makes sence if the money is right.

If it was you Strongback, would you push for the Ward fight next, or would you wait and maybe leave it a bit?

Not sure if it's been mentioned but are people aware of Calzaghe's comments on Froch's recent claims that it's between him and Lewis for being the best from Britain?

Calzaghe: “It’s an absolute joke of a comment, I’d like to just let it go, but that to me is an attack on myself and several other great British boxers,”

“The guy is highly, highly delusional if he believes that. After what? Beating Mikkel Kessler who has effectively been in semi-retirement for three years and is well short of his prime? And even that was only to level the scores after Kessler beat him.

“Carl is not even the best super middleweight in the world today. If he’s the best British fighter of all-time, does that mean Andre Ward is twice as good as any boxer we’ve ever produced?

“Where is Carl’s era of dominance? People have thought he was the real deal for about two years. Plus, I think it’s pathetic to be trying to write your own legacy. It’s not up to me to judge where I am, or for Carl to judge where he is. It’s for others to decide.”

Spot on from the Welshman.

Wise words from Joe "Jones is over the hill" Calzaghe.

He's just jealous because Froch will be more fondly remembered than him.

Joe is head and shoulders above Froch. I have Joe as the top brit over the past 30 years and probably post war. Superb boxer.

If it is true Froch was calling Calzaghe out- why didnt he fight him?

Ent wrote:If it is true Froch was calling Calzaghe out- why didnt he fight him?

pretty sure he called him out in 09 when calzaghe decided to retire.

Herman Jaggery wrote:

Strongback wrote:Ward has a win against Froch, it was also convincing. In terms of legacy he doesn't need to fight Froch, it only makes sence if the money is right.

If it was you Strongback, would you push for the Ward fight next, or would you wait and maybe leave it a bit?

As Rodders has said there aren't really many credible fights left for Froch and Ward at SMW. The problem for Froch is he will almost certainly lose if he fights Ward. There's only Steiglitz or Groves at SMW left and Groves looks like an ideal retirement fight in 18 months to 2 years. Another option would be to move up to LHW and take on Hopkin's or Cleverly. The problem with Hopkins is he could easily do a number on Froch with his slickness. In last weeks post fight interview Eddie turned his nose up at the suggestion of Froch taking on Hopkins.

If I was Eddie Hearn I would look to fight Cleverly first, then Ward and then Groves.

Ward is becoming like Floyd in that opponents fight him for the payday rather than a belief they can beat him. Froch v Ward is nothing more than a chance for Froch to earn a lot of cash, I don't think anybody sees him winning.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Froch has always craved attention but alas he has the charisma of potato. He does grate on people because of this. I don't mind Froch that much because he can fight and will fight anyone as he has proved but he is sometimes irritating.

He annoys me like when you get an itch somewhere on your ball bag. You know the kind, the kind of itch that all the scratching in the world won't fix so you have to carefully identify where the itch is situated on said ball bag and delicately catch it between index finger and thumb and gently rub till you are relieved.

lol

or use both hands and give the skin a good stretch!

For me its pretty clear what Hearn and Froch are doing, they want the Ward fight and want it in the UK. So while Froch is not as good as Ward he is most defiantly more popular due to just being exciting to watch.

So if he shoots his mouth off saying he is the best and so on, it might make Ward push his neck out a bit.

Froch knows if he has any chance of beating Ward its in the UK.

To be honest while Ward did comprehensively out box Froch and beat him while also traveling to another state in the US, he has not really fought outside of the USA against anyone half decent, so this is a little chink in his legacy. Froch is current no2 in the division and on very good form so what else can Ward prove in the division other than going to the no2s country and beating him? it would round of his dominance in the division with no questions asked, as we have seen many times that home advantage or rather the other boxer being away from his country can effect fights. If Ward has anything to prove its to show he can be as good when he is in another land.

I still think after Ward rides a few high pressure moments he will outbox Froch again but it would still be an ok fight as Froch will pressure him and there is always a chance Ward gets caught..

Froch v Ward is a waste of time

Id rather him fight Groves

tunes666 wrote:For me its pretty clear what Hearn and Froch are doing, they want the Ward fight and want it in the UK. So while Froch is not as good as Ward he is most defiantly more popular due to just being exciting to watch.

So if he shoots his mouth off saying he is the best and so on, it might make Ward push his neck out a bit.

Froch knows if he has any chance of beating Ward its in the UK.

To be honest while Ward did comprehensively out box Froch and beat him while also traveling to another state in the US, he has not really fought outside of the USA against anyone half decent, so this is a little chink in his legacy. Froch is current no2 in the division and on very good form so what else can Ward prove in the division other than going to the no2s country and beating him? it would round of his dominance in the division with no questions asked, as we have seen many times that home advantage or rather the other boxer being away from his country can effect fights. If Ward has anything to prove its to show he can be as good when he is in another land.

I still think after Ward rides a few high pressure moments he will outbox Froch again but it would still be an ok fight as Froch will pressure him and there is always a chance Ward gets caught..

I dont think it has any effect on his legacy. mayweather has only fought in the us and it has no effect on his legacy.

True but Mayweather has had excellent opponents to choose from all the way through, Ward has already destroyed and exhausted his choices.

ShahenshahG wrote:True but Mayweather has had excellent opponents to choose from all the way through, Ward has already destroyed and exhausted his choices.

But going abroad to fight those same fighters will not make any difference. Ward either needs to move up in weight or move down in weight if there is no one to fight in his division.

He has very little option, to go down - no one would fight him and he'd get no credit for battering them and theres no one worth fighting at 175. Going abroad will only get him a lot of money but thats what he has left for the moment. If cleverly ever beats someone with a pulse, he might end up fighting Ward but theres very few people at the moment for him. Might be worth his while to come over and defeat Froch.

ShahenshahG wrote:He has very little option, to go down - no one would fight him and he'd get no credit for battering them and theres no one worth fighting at 175. Going abroad will only get him a lot of money but thats what he has left for the moment. If cleverly ever beats someone with a pulse, he might end up fighting Ward but theres very few people at the moment for him. Might be worth his while to come over and defeat Froch.

But his legacy is not going to improve by beating froch again (an older froch as well at 36) who he beat so easily only 2 years ago. If Ward cleaned up the division above him and then at least his legacy would be that he has cleaned up 2 divisions with ease. He is only 29 so he has many years left to find that defining fight.

Also I am sure froch has agreed to fight in vegas against ward.

Ward rejects the challenge...because Froch is no challenge

But hed be happy to beat up on him some more. Ward always said Froch was nothing

Ward is the champion of the world. He cant be beat and he wont be beat

Steffan wrote:Ward rejects the challenge...because Froch is no challenge

But hed be happy to beat up on him some more. Ward always said Froch was nothing

Ward is the champion of the world. He cant be beat and he wont be beat

Most people do agree with you on this and that Froch would lose again, but it is still a fight I'd like to see made. And it is still the most lucrative fight for Ward that is out there.

Did Carl pull Az's pig tails or touch his girly bits "inappropraitely"?

Az seems to have some crush on Ward and spite all his rivals.

Ward vs Froch is the only money fight for Ward. Probably more in the UK but maybe PPV in the US could increase if it was there.

But Froch has ensured he can make money against anybody because he comes to fight. Popkins could be an option.

Wrong. I'm no big fan of either. Ward is the better but more boring fighter. Froch has some serious issues and totally delusional. Exciting boxer.

Az, and what "good/great" fighter isn't delusional? Its a confidence game.

Ward can avoid Froch if he likes, but he will make no money. Froch can more or less fight anybody and the people of Nottingham will pay and, rightly, will get airtime in the US. He deserves it. He's been in some battles.

The fight will happen. It will only be a question of where the most money will be. That will be a question for the TV stations to work out. More PPV in Vegas or PPV and stadium tickets in the UK.

What is exactly the point though in Ward v Froch 2?

Surely we all want to watch fights that are evenly matched and could go either way?

Who would want to pay to watch Froch get beat again?

I really dont understand why people want this fight for

Surely an all English class with Groves in an 'old v young' hype would be more interesting plus it would be hard to pick a winner

Ward v Froch......waste of time fellas