Halle 2013

by **laverfan** Mon 10 Jun 2013, 12:53 am

First topic message reminder :

Nadal has decimated the field, by withdrawing, from Halle.

The tattered remainder of Halle draw looks like

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Event-Draws.aspx?EventId=500&Year=2013

As an aside, the Grass Chewing has now a new pair of COWs (Champions of the Old World) cudding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cud) together some Doubles.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2013/06/23/Halle-Federer-Haas-Teaming-Up-For-First-Time.aspx

Daily Schedule - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/Schedule.aspx?EventId=500

Who wants to bet on the next player to beat a certain 17-slam winner? Laugh

Will it be Stubby or Wang-waver? Or perhaps the Jerzy COW... Run

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:30 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Oddly enough, Monfils has already said he will not be playing Wimbledon this year due to 'personal reasons'.

'Personal reasons' = I have never been beyond Wimbledon 3R and its wonderful around St. Tropez in late June...ooh la la

by _homogenised_ Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:31 pm

bogbrush wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
_homogenised_ wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

It is never a bad result when you have double bagelled someone. It gives you complete confidence. How does losing by a greater margin help you? That is a logic I keep hearing, and it isn't a logic. Federer is defending champ at Wimb for a good reason.

Perhaps I should have said a bad result for his fans as it brings about false hope/expectation and if/when that isn't delivered the disappointment is greater. And yes I know Federer is defending champion but even his fans will tell you that Roger has deteriorated in areas since he won Wimbledon last year.
And had already deteriorated by at least as much by last year (albeit able to turn it on sometimes).

I don't think it is as simple as that. This is the first grass tournament he has played since Olympics last year where he made the final. We will see.

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:54 pm

Haas beats Monfils. clap

Last years final between Federer and Haas. Cool

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:58 pm

Oh well done Tommy clap

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 4:26 pm

Its getting a bit boring saying "Rock on..." now after every Tommy win given he's doing it with such regularity these days!

So I'm just going to say...

Ever since I was a young boy
I've played the yellow ball
From Soho down in Brighton
I must of played them all
But I ain't seen nothin' like him
In any tennis hall
That deaf, numb and old kid
Sure play a mean (tops)pinball!

by TRuffin Fri 14 Jun 2013, 4:47 pm

Jahu wrote:"Fed needs a slap in his face for not giving the young guy at least a game on each set.

Disappointed with Fed today.

Any top 10 player that double bagels a novice, I will slap them when I see them on the street."

If you watched the match or listened to the interviews after you would know Federer took his foot off the gas near the end and did about all he could short of tanking it to let the guy win a game.. Zver was up 15-40 on serve at one point, and Federer barely bending to return it and the guy double faulted twice in a row.... then netted a gimme shot from Fed.. You can't help those who don't help themselves...

Zver is hardly a novice either-- I believe ranked in the 50's several years ago and has been on tour for years.

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 4:55 pm

Fed conceded 3 times as many points in Set2 vs Set1. That's just plain sloppy.

by The Special Juan Fri 14 Jun 2013, 5:53 pm

I'm surprised there were 7 minutes 27 seconds worth of highlights in a double bagel match.

by The Special Juan Fri 14 Jun 2013, 6:05 pm

A SHBH will win Halle as Youzhny beats Kohli.

by User 774433 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 6:39 pm

Enjoy:

by The Special Juan Fri 14 Jun 2013, 7:02 pm

by summerblues Fri 14 Jun 2013, 8:10 pm

lydian wrote:its wonderful around St. Tropez in late June...ooh la la

I hope you are right. I am just about to find out. Smile

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 8:14 pm

Nice one SB, I've not there for 7-8 years...enjoy, hope you dont miss too much of Wimbledon Smile

by summerblues Fri 14 Jun 2013, 8:19 pm

Thanks, this will be my first time in France, so I am sure I will enjoy. Of course, I made sure to be only going for a week and will be back in the States before the first ball is struck. Wink

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 8:27 pm

Good news re being back for Wimbers. Well if you hit the beaches I'm sure you'll find it a liberating experience, lol. Wink

Hope the weather stays good for you...we'll all look forward to a Team 606v2 postcard!

by lags72 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 10:22 pm

lydian wrote:Fed conceded 3 times as many points in Set2 vs Set1. That's just plain sloppy.

Zverev actually wasn't as bad as the scoreline suggests, or at least not based on the highlights I watched.

He obviously hit an in-tune Federer, but the guy has some notable past scalps to his name, including the following (rankings as at time of the match) .........

Simon (7)
Davydenko (6)
Robredo (17)
Melzer (16)
Berdych(22)

(oh ..... and a certain Horacio Zeballos (72) ...)

Last time he played Fed he actually took him to a TB

by Henman Bill Fri 14 Jun 2013, 10:50 pm

Federer highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJLLqo2mtE

Really a practice match for Federer, sad to say.

Zverev had a game point in the 4th game, and hit his volley onto the baseline, forcing Federer to have to try and drill a half volley pass. Fed went for that shot, hit the net cord, and it skimmed through and won the poinnt. His opponent also had 2 game points in the 4th game of the second set. So a little unlucky not to get at least a game.

by ryan86 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:00 pm

He wasn't unlucky in that game in the 2nd set. IIRC all Federer had to save those two points was stand there and watch Zverev hit 2 double faults.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:09 pm

TRuffin wrote:
Jahu wrote:"Fed needs a slap in his face for not giving the young guy at least a game on each set.

Disappointed with Fed today.

Any top 10 player that double bagels a novice, I will slap them when I see them on the street."

If you watched the match or listened to the interviews after you would know Federer took his foot off the gas near the end and did about all he could short of tanking it to let the guy win a game.. Zver was up 15-40 on serve at one point, and Federer barely bending to return it and the guy double faulted twice in a row.... then netted a gimme shot from Fed.. You can't help those who don't help themselves...

Zver is hardly a novice either-- I believe ranked in the 50's several years ago and has been on tour for years.

I think you're getting confused with your Zverevs Jahu - The bloke wot Fed bagelled today is the older brother of the 'ridiculously handsome' (Mr Inverdale's words) Alexandr who beat our own Kyle Edmunds in the RG Boys singles - apparently!

Agree it would have been a little mean of Fed to double bagel a teenager Wink

Sounds like Fed having trouble with his serve towards the end of the match again then? I don't think all is 100% with TMF's back anymore sadly - hope it is not an issue at Wimbledon.

by _homogenised_ Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:11 am

That was only the second double bagel of Fed's career, so it is special. Fed has a good chance of winning Wimbledon. I was laughed at last year for saying same thing, but he does.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:29 pm

Fed playing pretty poor against Haas, missed already on 4-5 break points in 3 games.

by User 774433 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:43 pm

Haas doesn't look too troubled at the moment.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:52 pm

Haas takes first set 6:3. Fed playing like a novice. Disaster.

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:53 pm

He has to put these youngsters in their place and is doing a fine job so far.

by User 774433 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

Federer has to step it up and make it competitive, this is bit of an anticlimax so far.

by Guest Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

The problem with Federer is that he's too slow to compete from the back of the court. His baseline game has completely deteriorated and of course regular S&V in this day is tantamount to suicide.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:57 pm

You're right. Any one ranked over 100 is in danger of being beaten by Fed.

by Guest Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:58 pm

I can see just about anyone in the top 20 taking him out at W on current form prob even lower ranked players.

by Chydremion Sat 15 Jun 2013, 12:59 pm

Damn if Federer can't even beat Haas, with all respect, he should do much better than this.

by lydian Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:02 pm

What channel are you guys watching Halle on?

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:06 pm

Supertennis on SKY Italy or NovaSports1 Greece (13E)

by bogbrush Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:06 pm

I take no pleasure at all in reminding the forum that some of us have reported this decline for a few years now. Even less that 12 months ago we were hearing about how he was as good as ever (some efforts made to suggest better..... Laugh

).

It's quite annoying to hear anyone suggest that the 2013 version is any sort of representation of the 2005/6 Demi-godlike version. I mean, there are kids watching, they might be lured into thinking this version is what we're talking about. Sad

by Chydremion Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:09 pm

bogbrush wrote:I take no pleasure at all in reminding the forum that some of us have reported this decline for a few years now. Even less that 12 months ago we were hearing about how he was as good as ever (some efforts made to suggest better..... ).

It's quite annoying to hear anyone suggest that the 2013 version is any sort of representation of the 2005/6 Demi-godlike version. I mean, there are kids watching, they might be lured into thinking this version is what we're talking about.

With kids you mean rafatards?

by Guest Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:10 pm

Yeah, those kids must be wondering what all the fuss was about.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:11 pm

Who suggested the 2013 Fed is equal to 2005/6 Fed?

I can recommend a guy at Specsavers Wink

Still Fed should give it a bit more go, as this 2013 is becoming a year of where I play for my sponsors, and don't bother much for wins.

by lydian Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:13 pm

Cheers jahu.
Rafatard...nice...glad to see this forum is so tolerant.
Maybe those kids are marvelling at Haas at 35 too...

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:13 pm

5:2 for Fed now second set. He must be reading this thread.

by Guest Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:15 pm

I use to not bother with Fed service games and look forward to the return games to see if he'd do something special. I used to take the service games for granted.

Not anymore - he looks like he could lose his serve anytime.

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:17 pm

Federer always plays badly, his opponent never plays well.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:18 pm

Well I'm not expecting an all out assault on Haas just before W, but come on, some easy shots being missed.

Fed will take this match with a quick third set.

by Guest Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:19 pm

Fed seems to be the crowd favourite here.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:21 pm

3:6, 6:3 now.

by User 774433 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:22 pm

Fed will win Wimbledon.

by lags72 Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:22 pm

I guess the crowd just wanted to see a third set

by _homogenised_ Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:23 pm

bogbrush wrote:I take no pleasure at all in reminding the forum that some of us have reported this decline for a few years now. Even less that 12 months ago we were hearing about how he was as good as ever (some efforts made to suggest better..... ).

It's quite annoying to hear anyone suggest that the 2013 version is any sort of representation of the 2005/6 Demi-godlike version. I mean, there are kids watching, they might be lured into thinking this version is what we're talking about.

All they need to do is what I did yesterday... look over a few matches from 2006. It's INSANE how good he was... unforced errors were ridiculously low, his footwork and speed better, his forehand better... It is only testament to his greatness that he is defending Wimb champion at this age, and at the tail end of his career. Awesome.

by The Special Juan Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:23 pm

Come on Tommy!!

by lydian Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:27 pm

Agassi won slam at 33...winning beyond 30 is not going to be unique these days...if the guys can stay in tip top physical condition.

by Jahu Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:30 pm

Yes I expect Nadal to win RG in 2020.

by _homogenised_ Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:31 pm

lydian wrote:Agassi won slam at 33...winning beyond 30 is not going to be unique these days.

Agassi is one of the all time greats, and winning a slam even now at this age is a unique achievement. How many have done it from 90-13 ? And how many made wn1?

If I recall, Federer is one of the all time oldest slam winners.

by bogbrush Sat 15 Jun 2013, 1:34 pm

What's with Tommy df-ing like mad?

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