Halle 2013

by **laverfan** Mon 10 Jun 2013, 12:53 am

First topic message reminder :

Nadal has decimated the field, by withdrawing, from Halle.

The tattered remainder of Halle draw looks like

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Event-Draws.aspx?EventId=500&Year=2013

As an aside, the Grass Chewing has now a new pair of COWs (Champions of the Old World) cudding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cud) together some Doubles.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2013/06/23/Halle-Federer-Haas-Teaming-Up-For-First-Time.aspx

Daily Schedule - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/Schedule.aspx?EventId=500

Who wants to bet on the next player to beat a certain 17-slam winner? Laugh

Will it be Stubby or Wang-waver? Or perhaps the Jerzy COW... Run

by **laverfan** Wed 12 Jun 2013, 5:54 pm

Federer through against Stebe.

Looking forward to Gulbis v Haas tomorrow.

by lydian Wed 12 Jun 2013, 8:42 pm

Who's your money on LF?

by bogbrush Wed 12 Jun 2013, 9:04 pm

Federers going to win this no problem.

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 3:36 am

lydian wrote:Who's your money on LF?

The FH was dire against Stebe. Zverev has two good scalps in Basic and Goffin.

Monfils has played two good matches.

If Gasquet can find his grass feet, I suspect an all-French final, despite BB's optimism.

Gulbis can take out Haas depending on which Gulbis turns up.

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 5:55 pm

Haas up a set in a close TB. Gulbis's display of disgust on missing shots is not good for him mentally.

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:19 pm

Haas up a break. Come On Gulbis!

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:21 pm

2nd serve and beautiful BH DTL (from Haas). Wow!

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:24 pm

Gulbis maks the tough shots look easy, but the easy shots are fluffed. Crying or Very sad

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:27 pm

5-4 Haas to serve for the match.

by invisiblecoolers Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:31 pm

Tommy Haas Downs Gulbis in st. sets.

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:31 pm

2MPs from error by Gulbis. Ace clinches the match. Haas looking good.

Gulbis. Crying or Very sad

But gives away his broken racquet. thumbsup

by bogbrush Thu 13 Jun 2013, 6:40 pm

Wow. No bps for Ernests and Tommy converts 1 from 17.

Check out the stats; Gulbis served 102 points, Tommy 63. Never seen a disparity like that.

by invisiblecoolers Thu 13 Jun 2013, 8:41 pm

bogbrush wrote:Wow. No bps for Ernests and Tommy converts 1 from 17.

Check out the stats; Gulbis served 102 points, Tommy 63. Never seen a disparity like that.

I saw the match and bet on Gulbis to win a set but it didn't happen, Haas played very well.

by **laverfan** Thu 13 Jun 2013, 10:12 pm

The first set TB was close, just a couple of errors from both in the TB. It could have gone either way.

by Henman Bill Thu 13 Jun 2013, 10:41 pm

Henman Bill wrote:But seriously, I predict he will win it. Jancowicz on good day is a threat, and Haas may have had time to recover. I think Haas is a threat if he is fit after last week and gets that far. Raonic is clearly a threat.

The bottom half looks light to me, easier. Less big servers in there. I predict Kohlschreiber vs Nishikori in R3 and the winner of that goes on to the final.

QF
Federer beats Janowicz
Raonic beats Haas
Kohlschreiber beats Nishikori
Gasquet vs Mayer

SF
Federer beats Raonic
Kohli beats Gasquet

F
Federer beats Kohli

A cunning part of my prediction is that there are 2 Mayers in Gasquet's section, and I haven't stated above which one I am betting on.

So let's see how I did in my quarter final predictions.
Federer vs Janowicz -----> Janowicz beaten in R1, and predicting Federer to win one match is hardly genius
Raonic vs Haas ------> Raonic lost to Monfils and predicting Haas to win one match against Gulbis is not exactly wildly impressive
Kohli v Nishikori -----> Kohli through, but Nishikori lost to Youzhny.
Gasquet v Mayer ------>Hooray I got one right (by predicting the seeds to win! genius!)

At this stage I've done fairly average or badly. Need Kohlschreiber in the final as predicted to regain some credibility.

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:16 am

Terrible first game from Zverev, and gets broken. Crying or Very sad

by ryan86 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

Terrible entire match from Zverev, serving for the 6th time to avoid a double-bagel.

by bogbrush Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

Bit of a harsh beat down happening here.

Double bagel coming up?

by ryan86 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:48 am

I admire his perserverance to the serve/volley, but it's not working.

by lags72 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:49 am

How long since Fed handed out a double to anyone ....??

by bogbrush Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:50 am

Ouch!

by bogbrush Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:50 am

Just broke the 40 minute barrier. WTA-esque.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:51 am

Is Fed playing very well, or is Zverev worse than useless? Wish I could see!!!

by CaledonianCraig Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:53 am

In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:54 am

Oh ouch indeed!

I always think it is quite nice to let your opponent have one game!

How was Fed looking? LF, anyone?

by User 774433 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:56 am

Sensational from Fed- I think he is now my marginal favourite for Wimbledon.

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 11:58 am

@TP Zverev played badly, compared to his first two matches. Who gave him the match strategy gave him bad advice?

Not once did I see him pressure Federer's BH. Just suicidal runs to the net and Federer made him pay.

Last double-bagel in Bo5 is Del Potro @AO 2009. Gaudio @TMC 2005 is the last Bo3 double bagel.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:00 pm

Thanks LF - poor Zverev - sounds like total panic on his part. Still on the upside, match clearly hasn't exhausted the Great One unduly!

by ryan86 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:01 pm

Federer didn't make many mistakes, but at the same time I think Zverev played into his hands. Zverev was serve-volleying, but his volleys weren't good enough and so with a lot of the time of the 4th or 6th point of the rally, Federer would pass Zverev who was stranted at the net.

Just looked at the shortest match records. Time-wise I was suprised to see at ATP level in the Open-era both are held by Brits. Rusedski holds the fastest win in a best of 3 (29 minutes) and Murray holds the fastest win in a best of 5 (52 minutes).

by The Special Juan Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:02 pm

Only the 2nd double bagel in his career which is less than I expected.

by lags72 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:04 pm

CC - there is much in what you say. Always difficult for someone of Federer's ability (ie. .... someone who can win matches effortlessly, against very inexperienced opposition, even if well below his best) to know just where his game is at until properly tested.

Didn't see any of the match myself but after fighting his way through two previous rounds (plus qualies ...?) to get this far, that must have been one helluva reality check for poor Zverev.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:05 pm

Those stats really surprised me too ryan - I would not have had Murray, clinicallly brilliant though he can be at his best, as the fastest over bo5. I am further surprised that Rusedski managed the record for bo3 - today's elite have obviously taken the art of towelling down to, previously unimagined, heights!

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:05 pm

Red wrote:Sensational from Fed- I think he is now my marginal favourite for Wimbledon.

Very ordinary from Zverev. I expected better from him after the last two matches. I would have preferred to have Basic rather than Zverev. This guy lost the match in the locker room.

CaledonianGreg wrote:In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

False hope is worse than no hope. Just a bad roller coaster for the spectators. I expect the winner of Haas/Monfils to put much more pressure on Federer.

by The Special Juan Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:08 pm

@TP - It was the Davis Cup triple bagel over that tennis coach (not even a real player) from Luxembourg.

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:10 pm

@TSJ... the third double bagel, in Bo5, is Alan Mackin of Team GB @DC - SUI vs. GBR WG PO, Geneva, Switzerland; 23.09.2005; DC; Indoor: Clay

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:11 pm

Perhaps Gasquet-Mayer will be more competitive than Federer-Zverev.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:12 pm

The way Tommy looked at RG, and the fact that he will want to hang on to his title desperately, makes him my marginal favourite over Fed - still it will be a very good sharpening up session for Fed whichever way it goes.

If it is Monfils, then Tommy will have extracted the one brilliant match from M's racquet this tournament!

@thespecialJuan - aahh. Presume Luxembourg coach in hurry to get off court?! Wink

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:18 pm

Ouch for Zverev in front of his home crowd!
Fed looking sharp for Wimbledon - has placed his marker!

by **laverfan** Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:24 pm

lydian wrote:Fed looking sharp for Wimbledon - has placed his marker!

Tough matches await.

by barrystar Fri 14 Jun 2013, 12:29 pm

laverfan wrote:
lydian wrote:Fed looking sharp for Wimbledon - has placed his marker!

Tough matches await.

Even in Halle

by _homogenised_ Fri 14 Jun 2013, 1:53 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

It is never a bad result when you have double bagelled someone. It gives you complete confidence. How does losing by a greater margin help you? That is a logic I keep hearing, and it isn't a logic. Federer is defending champ at Wimb for a good reason.

by CaledonianCraig Fri 14 Jun 2013, 2:04 pm

_homogenised_ wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

It is never a bad result when you have double bagelled someone. It gives you complete confidence. How does losing by a greater margin help you? That is a logic I keep hearing, and it isn't a logic. Federer is defending champ at Wimb for a good reason.

Perhaps I should have said a bad result for his fans as it brings about false hope/expectation and if/when that isn't delivered the disappointment is greater. And yes I know Federer is defending champion but even his fans will tell you that Roger has deteriorated in areas since he won Wimbledon last year.

by bogbrush Fri 14 Jun 2013, 2:09 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
_homogenised_ wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:In a way this is a bad result for Roger.

By that I mean it encompasses false hope with fans earmarking him as being in hot form going into Wimbledon, building up the expectations. I say stay grounded and remember this bloke is ranked 156 in the world.

It is never a bad result when you have double bagelled someone. It gives you complete confidence. How does losing by a greater margin help you? That is a logic I keep hearing, and it isn't a logic. Federer is defending champ at Wimb for a good reason.

Perhaps I should have said a bad result for his fans as it brings about false hope/expectation and if/when that isn't delivered the disappointment is greater. And yes I know Federer is defending champion but even his fans will tell you that Roger has deteriorated in areas since he won Wimbledon last year.

And had already deteriorated by at least as much by last year (albeit able to turn it on sometimes).

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 2:46 pm

See from the ATP site that Monfils has just taken first set from Tommy on tiebreak

by User 774433 Fri 14 Jun 2013, 2:57 pm

Federer Zverev highlights HD:

by lydian Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:16 pm

Haas takes the 2nd 6-3, game on.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:17 pm

Game over for Monfils I'll wager! Wink

by CaledonianCraig Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:18 pm

Oddly enough, Monfils has already said he will not be playing Wimbledon this year due to 'personal reasons'.

by time please Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:20 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Oddly enough, Monfils has already said he will not be playing Wimbledon this year due to 'personal reasons'.

That's very enigmatic! It is not the first time he has missed Wimbledon is it?

by Jahu Fri 14 Jun 2013, 3:21 pm

Fed needs a slap in his face for not giving the young guy at least a game on each set.

Disappointed with Fed today.

Any top 10 player that double bagels a novice, I will slap them when I see them on the street.

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