The Greatest Era in Rugby

A poster on another thread made a casual comment that Rugby saw it's finest years between 1997 and 2004. Contentious or Concensus?

What is the opinion of my fellow 606v2-ers?

The re-emergence of SA replete with RWC victory in 1995 and the arrival of Jonah Lomu, ushering in an era of rugby super-stars probably pips it for me.

What is your opinion? What was rugby's finest hour? or is it yet to come?

I'd agree that the 1995 - 1999 era was a glorious era. Begins with that amazing World Cup, an amazing Lions victory in the middle and ends with Scotland winning the last ever 5 Nations.

Magnificent.

It all got a bit rubbish by 2003 for some reason......

Being Welsh I would have to say 1989-2002.

Glorious 13 years.

1948 - february to the 2nd March 1956 would personally be my choice of rugby's finest period. And I have all the old movie reels to prove it.

In terms of world rugby, about 1995 to about 2001. The Boks RWC win, the best ever Aussie team, a Lions series win, Jonah Lomu, Francois Peinaar, Joost, Cullen, Gregan, Larkham, Johnson, Gibbs, Wood. Scotland and Italy were good at rugby!!

We saw some great rugby up to 04-05.

Started getting competitive after teams who harnessed professionalism quicker than others developed initial cricket scores when once matches were tight.

One of my favourite games of all time is a 30 all draw in 04 I think... France vs SA in Durban. Skills were very high and this rugby league drops of Ivan drago's hadn't yet filtered too deep into rugby.

Amateur players spent a lot less time in the gym, skills were high... Something I think campo often moans about.... But given he was up there with the finest ever we should take note.. Well a little anyhow.

Perhaps it was that prior to the era the game was quite dire to watch and we went from a period of dull fat blokes mauling and Garry Owen chasing for 80 mins that the new wave of rugby seemed refreshing.

1970's - FACT, END OF

7 Championships
5 Triple Crowns
3 Grand Slams

1971 - LIONS 2 NEW ZEALAND 1 (1 DRAW)

1974 - LIONS 3 SOUTH AFRICA 0 (1 DRAW)

and of course

"Kirkpatrick to Williams. This is great stuff. Phil Bennett covering, chased by Alistair Scown. Brilliant! Oh, that's brilliant! John Williams, Pullin, John Dawes. Great dummy! David, Tom David, the half-way line. Brilliant by Quinnell. This is Gareth Edwards. A dramatic start. What a score!"

Depends on who's perspective you are looking at it from, but the next 10 years could be some of the best.

I think with the Junior World Cup most nations are able to produce more global superstars and with the rise of 7s participation is going to improve. The gap between tier 1 and tier 2 appears to be closing which would be much better for the game.

For England its especially exciting. I think a few years back we really worked on getting our grass roots right and now we're starting to really benefit from that with more and more talented players coming through.

For me the issues that threaten to destabilise the next few years:

The scrum - still a farce, still needs sorting. Hopefully the new law variations will sort this out.
The potential break up of too level, cross-border European competition - whatever side you fall on, I think everyone would prefer to see the Heineken Cup continue in some format, and if we lost not it would represent a dark time for NH club rugby
The decline of France - truly concerning that the Top 14 is starting to mirror some of the worst traits from the Premier League (football) in terms of the millionaire owners, the influx of foreign players and the shift of power towards the clubs
International player eligibility issues - it does appear to be coming a little bit of a farce now. Most people believe this area needs to be tweaked. Exactly how is up for debate, but it continues to cast a shadow over the international game

With my bath hat on 1986-1994
With my England hat on 2000-2003
With my neutral hat on 1995-2001, see feckless rogue for details

PenfroPete wrote:1970's - FACT, END OF

7 Championships
5 Triple Crowns
3 Grand Slams

1971 - LIONS 2 NEW ZEALAND 1 (1 DRAW)

1974 - LIONS 3 SOUTH AFRICA 0 (1 DRAW)

and of course

"Kirkpatrick to Williams. This is great stuff. Phil Bennett covering, chased by Alistair Scown. Brilliant! Oh, that's brilliant! John Williams, Pullin, John Dawes. Great dummy! David, Tom David, the half-way line. Brilliant by Quinnell. This is Gareth Edwards. A dramatic start. What a score!"

- And Ruby was there as a 10 year old in the South Enclosure - First ever game for me!!!!!

For me the 84-97 and the dominance of Auckland rugby, the 8 year 65 match straight wins with the Ranfurly shield where crowds literally moved to the other end of the field at half time, the emergence of Kirwan, Michael Jones, Grant Fox, Buck, Stanley and several others, the 87 WCup and unbeaten run through to 1990.

Doesnt get much better as a player and fan than growing up in that era (other than not being able to get within cooey of making those sides of course)...

There is always great rugby somewhere, the game had changed so much so often recently it is hard to compare the modern era so definitely.

The game was more athletic in the ammatuer era, though defences weren't so tight.

I see great rugby in all eras, one doesn't stand out more than another for any reason.

maestegmafia wrote:
I see great rugby in all eras, one doesn't stand out more than another for any reason.

For me it does when you're playing amongst it all Maes. My years in and out of rugby in South Auckland had you rubbing shoulders with so many greats of the game on a regular basis (though I thought it was normal at the time I've come to realise that was one hugely special era- even for NZ rugby) it is incomparable with seeing it largely on tv or form the stands.

Taylorman wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:
I see great rugby in all eras, one doesn't stand out more than another for any reason.

For me it does when you're playing amongst it all Maes. My years in and out of rugby in South Auckland had you rubbing shoulders with so many greats of the game on a regular basis (though I thought it was normal at the time I've come to realise that was one hugely special era- even for NZ rugby) it is incomparable with seeing it largely on tv or form the stands.

Yes that was certainly a charm of the ammatuer game. Never played with or against All Black greats but I have sailed with a few.

I played for a friends team in the Rhondda once at outside centre and the openside on the opposition was Richard Burton the actor. That was a treat.

I guess I look at it a few ways:
First, when I was a kid, all Rugby was great. Great players everywhere, with every nation. Almost romantic, I think.

When I was in my twenties and having opportunities to play with and against some terrific players was also a great era. And having a chance to see real top flight Rugby regularly. Awesome.

But now I realise, now is the best era in Rugby. We can see on tv great players, great athletes playing every weekend. We can go to stadia which are generally much bigger and better than in the past. And as a parent, having the chance to see the game through the eyes of my lads, their mates, and the players I coach tells me this is their greatest era. Just like it was when I was a lad six hundred years ago.

doctor_grey wrote: We can go to stadia which are generally much bigger and better than in the past.

In the days of the divisional Championship, North played London at the Met Police Ground. Probably 20 internationals on duty, at least half a dozen british lions - all on a ground with about 100 seats.

For pure visual enjoyment, I really love watching games from the mid- late 90's. Everything seemed a lot quicker - rucks were quickly recycled, crash ball centres were able to punch holes, we had players who were able to find gaps, scrums were completed quickly, etc., etc.

Nowadays, especially in the 6N where the differences between the teams are not that huge, it is a real arm wrestle, not much space on the pitch, everything is slowed down at the ruck, scrums need not be mentioned!

I'm greatly over-generalising here, but for me in general the mid to late 90's rugby was great. And, it was the rugby that really got me excited in the sport, being around 17 in the mid 90's. Not sure that the current game would capture me as a fan in the same way as the 90's did???

Here's a clip from France v Wales in 1999. Of course this is highlights so you only get the best bits, but this was the sort of rugby that got me jumping off my seat in the pub and really buying into the 6N, which in turn sparked an interest in supporting club rugby, etc., etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEGtwLDUFKs

maestegmafia wrote:There is always great rugby somewhere, the game had changed so much so often recently it is hard to compare the modern era so definitely.

The game was more athletic in the ammatuer era, though defences weren't so tight.

I see great rugby in all eras, one doesn't stand out more than another for any reason.

Agreed. I have watched exceptional performances from Pontypool, Bath, Wales, the AB's, Lions, SA (95) France (99) Wasps (HC) and plenty more and experienced every emotion known. I'm grateful that I have grown up in a period when technology and prosperity has allowed me to see rugby all over the world with such variety. I also expect a future era to deliver just the same.

Best team I saw in the flesh was NZ 95-97 so there's another reason to back the 95-01 period.

disneychilly wrote:Best team I saw in the flesh was NZ 95-97 so there's another reason to back the 95-01 period.

Yes - I think it was the 96 (?) AB's that toured the UK unbeaten that was the most complete team I ever watched live.

As a kid growing up in the 70s then for me then it had to be the 70s, had family who played at a high level and through them got to meet the (in my eyes greats of the then game).

As an adult who has now played the game for more years than care to remember and know more about the game then I would say 95 to 01, mind you as a die hard Welsh fan then 05 - present time has been good for us, especially after most of the late 80 and all the 90s.

maestegmafia wrote:
I played for a friends team in the Rhondda once at outside centre and the openside on the opposition was Richard Burton the actor. That was a treat.

As Burton probably last played 60 years ago that puts you at knocking on 80 minimum.

Fair play.

I think they were in the UK in 97 offload-the England draw was the only blemish. I saw them kill Argentina 93-8 was just incredible watching Cullen.

98 was a disaster but mind you Fitzpatrick, Zinzan Brooke and Michael Jones all retired then amongst others. That led to the weakest AB era IMO-98 to 04.

The weakest in pro era rugby sure... still managed 2 tight SF losses in the RWC over this period and 3 3N titles (more than anyone else in period)... the only difference was that England, France and Australia were equally as good as NZ at the time... a rarity, but it was a great time for rugby... what I would do for a bok side to be that bad again!!!!

The flip side of this thread would be consider the worst era in rugby. For me it was the latter half of the naughties when ping pong was often the order of the day. I can take stick-it-up-your-jumper forward battles played on a bog and still enjoy watching, but the sight of booting the ball from one end to the other and back again just left me worrying for the future of the game.
Fortunately that evil has largely departed - just the scrum to fix now (of the major problems on the pitch).

The 1 season of ELVs SH rules was pretty bad. If I saw another tap freekick I think I would have been sick.
Then again the Lions series in 09 (NH rules) was one of the best series of all time.

Mid 80s was pretty dire as was 92-96.. lots of rolling mauls followed by Garry Owens.

Go back to the various 5N tournaments with Elwood, Jenkins, Chalmers and Andrews running the backlines... and to think we actually enjoyed this at the time???

Chaps like Michael Lynagh were considered exotic, out of this world types.

Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

From a purely Northern Hemisphere view I think 2000 - 2004 was a great period of rugby.

Internationally it was great as England and France both had strong sides yet on their day Ireland, Scotland and Wales were a real match for them.

I still think that was greatest period the Heineken Cup has known. I really enjoyed the 2003 Rugby World Cup and also the 2001 Lions Tour.

I still think the 93 tour had some of the best rugby I've ever seen... a real bright spark in a bad period overall.

01 we all thought there was some changing of the guard happening. Wasn't to be though.

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

I think you actually may have a point even though I assume it was not meant this way.... now everyone trolls the internet for the odd missed forward pass, knock on, bad tackle and highlights scrum inconsistencies.

In the old days we didn't have this and we just went along with the ref's decisions. Ignorance was bliss. These days you can almost always complain about the refs interpretation/mistakes etc and indeed it leaves a sour point either to victory or defeat.

fa0019 wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

I think you actually may have a point even though I assume it was not meant this way.... now everyone trolls the internet for the odd missed forward pass, knock on, bad tackle and highlights scrum inconsistencies.

In the old days we didn't have this and we just went along with the ref's decisions. Ignorance was bliss. These days you can almost always complain about the refs interpretation/mistakes etc and indeed it leaves a sour point either to victory or defeat.

No, that's exactly what I mean. I think we're all guilty of it and, while we enjoying discussing on a forum, the scrutiny that goes into the game now is making it creak under the strain. Mass media coverage, slo-mos and other technology can add to the game (I'm no dinosaur) but also mean that every little detail (mostly errors by players or refs) is picked apart ad nauseum.

Sorry, it's a bit off topic I know!

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:

fa0019 wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

I think you actually may have a point even though I assume it was not meant this way.... now everyone trolls the internet for the odd missed forward pass, knock on, bad tackle and highlights scrum inconsistencies.

In the old days we didn't have this and we just went along with the ref's decisions. Ignorance was bliss. These days you can almost always complain about the refs interpretation/mistakes etc and indeed it leaves a sour point either to victory or defeat.

No, that's exactly what I mean. I think we're all guilty of it and, while we enjoying discussing on a forum, the scrutiny that goes into the game now is making it creak under the strain. Mass media coverage, slo-mos and other technology can add to the game (I'm no dinosaur) but also mean that every little detail (mostly errors by players or refs) is picked apart ad nauseum.

Sorry, it's a bit off topic I know!

Here here!

1903 - Present Day. The Incomparables era. Only test nation to have a winning record over every other test nation. (We'll focus less on the fact that SA had the winning record over us for much of that period if you don't mind)

fa0019 wrote:I still think the 93 tour had some of the best rugby I've ever seen... a real bright spark in a bad period overall.

01 we all thought there was some changing of the guard happening. Wasn't to be though.

We had Jon Preston at 9 & Eroni Clarke 12 while Stephen Bachop & Lee Stensness were floating around the squad
Possibly the weakest set of AB's inside backs in the last 30 years, with a waning Grant Fox and a debuting Frank Bunce making up the set

(Laurie Mains' speech to the ABs the Tuesday after the lost 2nd test went:

If I could have found one hole to crawl into I would have…I have never been so bloody humiliated as to see Poms dominating an All Black team - Poms*, not as fit as you… all over the top of you…Do you accept losing a Test match? I don't. I don't know why anyone plays at this level, or why I do this job, if we easily accept a loss…We need guts, we need good Kiwi toughness and heart. Above all, you're All Blacks. What are you going to do about it?

Edit, for those wanting to reminisce here's the full 2nd test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41v3hsgX3x8

*11 Englishmen started the test for the "British Isles"

The last 8 years have been poor enough. All you have to do is look at Australia and SA who have been well behind NZ but they've ben the second and third seeds all the time. Doesn't say much for the rest.


I think things are changing. I can see England and Ireland getting better in a few seasons. The Scots and Italians are also improving and Wales have a young team so overallI think the European teams are getting stronger. France are the exception. They'll remain strong but I don't see a great improvement there.

I think South Africa will put up a stronger challenge to NZ in terms of being the worlds number 1 team. Australia will remain strong too but I don't know if they can sustain being in the top 3 in the long term.

So overall I think we're heading into a very good period where more teams will be capable of beating each other. You also have many developing nations who are getting stronger and one or two of those could become tier 1 nations in the next 10 years.

I tell you what the way the set pieces of the islands have improved-wow I reckon they'll knock off a hell of a lot more teams in future. Italy are really coming on with Brunel too.

I expect a NZ lull in the next 18 months to be honest-SA and Aussie had huge injury problems last year and they'll give us a hell of a 4N along with the Pumas whose biggest issues are geography and funding for local rugby infrastructure for me. Would love us to get Sir Ed back and fill the trophy cabinet but sadly I think there may be one or two more vacancies before we get a chance to get revenge on England.

Also that way they've got the white collar looks quite silly and not near as intimidating as our previous jerseys!

disneychilly wrote:I think they were in the UK in 97 offload-the England draw was the only blemish. I saw them kill Argentina 93-8 was just incredible watching Cullen.

98 was a disaster but mind you Fitzpatrick, Zinzan Brooke and Michael Jones all retired then amongst others. That led to the weakest AB era IMO-98 to 04.

Quite right disney - it was 97. Also the only time I saw a team do a lap of honour that didn't win !

The 2005 side to the UK was pretty special- 2 different sides took the grand slam- one year where depth wasnt an issue for the AB's.

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:

fa0019 wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

I think you actually may have a point even though I assume it was not meant this way.... now everyone trolls the internet for the odd missed forward pass, knock on, bad tackle and highlights scrum inconsistencies.

In the old days we didn't have this and we just went along with the ref's decisions. Ignorance was bliss. These days you can almost always complain about the refs interpretation/mistakes etc and indeed it leaves a sour point either to victory or defeat.

No, that's exactly what I mean. I think we're all guilty of it and, while we enjoying discussing on a forum, the scrutiny that goes into the game now is making it creak under the strain. Mass media coverage, slo-mos and other technology can add to the game (I'm no dinosaur) but also mean that every little detail (mostly errors by players or refs) is picked apart ad nauseum.

Sorry, it's a bit off topic I know!

Completely agree Cyril. Who'd have thunk it!

The stats are there for all to see, minutes after the game. Controversies are recorded by naughty folk and disseminated via social media to stir up emotion. And then there's the forums (or 'fora'?!). My thread the other day about '606 is running the lions for me' is along the same lines. Pre Internet and forums I saw no bickering, less scrutiny, less argument, etc. The banter was all good natured as it was face to face in work or at a game, etc. The ease of connectivity with people across the world and the safety of anonymity means that now we have fights started over nothing (all virtual of course). Before t'internet it was just about the game - now it's about the 'afters' too.

St John The Enforcer wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:
I played for a friends team in the Rhondda once at outside centre and the openside on the opposition was Richard Burton the actor. That was a treat.

As Burton probably last played 60 years ago that puts you at knocking on 80 minimum.

Fair play.

Not quite 80, but not massively far from it either... He wasn't a bad openside either I think he was in his late thirties.

Wasn't it Richard Burton who famously said that he'd trade all of his success, his oscars, for just one welsh rugby cap? Class!

Griff wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:

fa0019 wrote:

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Rugby has gone downhill ever since we entered the age of the Internet.

I think you actually may have a point even though I assume it was not meant this way.... now everyone trolls the internet for the odd missed forward pass, knock on, bad tackle and highlights scrum inconsistencies.

In the old days we didn't have this and we just went along with the ref's decisions. Ignorance was bliss. These days you can almost always complain about the refs interpretation/mistakes etc and indeed it leaves a sour point either to victory or defeat.

No, that's exactly what I mean. I think we're all guilty of it and, while we enjoying discussing on a forum, the scrutiny that goes into the game now is making it creak under the strain. Mass media coverage, slo-mos and other technology can add to the game (I'm no dinosaur) but also mean that every little detail (mostly errors by players or refs) is picked apart ad nauseum.

Sorry, it's a bit off topic I know!

Completely agree Cyril. Who'd have thunk it!

The stats are there for all to see, minutes after the game. Controversies are recorded by naughty folk and disseminated via social media to stir up emotion. And then there's the forums (or 'fora'?!). My thread the other day about '606 is running the lions for me' is along the same lines. Pre Internet and forums I saw no bickering, less scrutiny, less argument, etc. The banter was all good natured as it was face to face in work or at a game, etc. The ease of connectivity with people across the world and the safety of anonymity means that now we have fights started over nothing (all virtual of course). Before t'internet it was just about the game - now it's about the 'afters' too.

Can't argue with any of the comments here or the point made, but there is a flipside.

The slow-mo's, scrutiny etc can also serve to inform and educate. Access to footage so that we can see and judge for ourselves, that maybe we wouldn't have acces to ourselves, only the opinions of journo's in the press to go on etc. On Forums we can debate all manner of things, 'ask a ref', we can access collated stats, get the views of rugby fans across the globe and not just locally... the list goes on.

The trouble is where trolls and troublemakers abuse that information, it's not the fault of the internet, it's how people choose to use it.

Treat it and other fans viewpoints with respect and with an open mind, then it is (or can be) a good thing.

Griff wrote:Wasn't it Richard Burton who famously said that he'd trade all of his success, his oscars, for just one welsh rugby cap? Class!

In his obituary Bleddyn Williams who had played with Burton, in the Air Force I think, suggested he was an openside of skill and could well have taken his rugby further had the boards not called him to greatness. Burton suggested that the great Williams was just being kind. Never saw him play in his prime but as an ageing openside playing as a guest in a team he seemed skilled and really enjoyed the game...

Rushed off quickly after the game so never got to meet him, he never ran my way on the field either. I certainly don't think my diminutive presence would have worried him, like most on the field he was bigger than me. A highlight of my playing days anyway.

RDSguru wrote:

Can't argue with any of the comments here or the point made, but there is a flipside.

The slow-mo's, scrutiny etc can also serve to inform and educate. Access to footage so that we can see and judge for ourselves, that maybe we wouldn't have acces to ourselves, only the opinions of journo's in the press to go on etc..

True...but if we'd this in '99 maybe we'd be able to nail the froggy that ripped off Bucks Crown jewels....!

As an Aucklander I was very privileged during the late 80s early 90s to watch that mighty Auckland team of that period, the sheer enjoyment of watching the performances of what that team put out on the Park in the shape of rugby may never be seen again.

The half time migration to be at the end of the ground that Auckland were playing towards was not arrogance, it was just that there was no point sitting at the other end of the Park.

I think people can be to sensitive on forums though, Crazy opinions can be a bit annoying, of course. But people make it a lot more annoying on themselves with this sort of craic.

Poster 1: Player X can't do X. I wouldn't have him in my team.
Poster 2: Well you obviously have absolutely no idea about rugby. Or DO YOU HAVE AN ANTI (insert team here) AGENDA!!

I stopped being so precious one day in 2008, after Wales had won a Grand Slam and I got in a heated argument with a Welsh poster who was saying that Tom Shanklin was far better than Brian O'Driscoll. When I couldn't convince him he was mistaken, I realized that I would spare myself a heart attack if I just accepted other opinions and stated my own without getting to upset.

aucklandlaurie wrote:
As an Aucklander I was very privileged during the late 80s early 90s to watch that mighty Auckland team of that period, the sheer enjoyment of watching the performances of what that team put out on the Park in the shape of rugby may never be seen again.

The half time migration to be at the end of the ground that Auckland were playing towards was not arrogance, it was just that there was no point sitting at the other end of the Park.

Yep: NZ champs in:
1996, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1985, 1984, 1982

Ranfurley Shield holders: 1985-1993- 65 challenges- a record that will NEVEEEEER be beaten.

Between 1984 and 1996 won 10/ 13 titles coming second and a losing semi in the other 2, winning 95 matches from 107 at 88.79%.

So they lost less than one match a year over 13 seasons.

1983 beat the Lions 12-3 with JK scoring on debut at 18 and beat the 93 Lions.

No wonder Aucklanders feel deflated these days...as soon as the pro era hit...bang...the players have been swiped left right and centre and have been ever since....but what an era if you were an Aucks supporter...

I thought the young Blues team last night showed a lot of ticker and promise, to score two tries against France cant be all bad. Even if they were completely dominated by France in all aspects of the game. JK's happy.

Taylorman wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:
As an Aucklander I was very privileged during the late 80s early 90s to watch that mighty Auckland team of that period, the sheer enjoyment of watching the performances of what that team put out on the Park in the shape of rugby may never be seen again.

The half time migration to be at the end of the ground that Auckland were playing towards was not arrogance, it was just that there was no point sitting at the other end of the Park.

Yep: NZ champs in:
1996, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1985, 1984, 1982

Ranfurley Shield holders: 1985-1993- 65 challenges- a record that will NEVEEEEER be beaten.

Between 1984 and 1996 won 10/ 13 titles coming second and a losing semi in the other 2, winning 95 matches from 107 at 88.79%.

So they lost less than one match a year over 13 seasons.

1983 beat the Lions 12-3 with JK scoring on debut at 18 and beat the 93 Lions.

No wonder Aucklanders feel deflated these days...as soon as the pro era hit...bang...the players have been swiped left right and centre and have been ever since....but what an era if you were an Aucks supporter...

They also:

Beat England 24-6 in 1985
Beat Australia 16-10 in 1990
Beat Ireland 62-7 in 1992

Won the south Pacific Championship/super 6 5 out of 6 years and were runners up in the Super 10 in 93. They lost the final 20-17 in Jo'burg (with Freek Burger refereeing).

Thats right bc...forgot about the England one- JK scored a fantastic try in that one, hitting the pass about 50m out and outflanking them to the right corner.

Do not even recall the Ireland win...gosh...

So Auckland practically had a better record than the AB's at int. level they didnt lose internationally for a while (though they were practically one and the same for a lot of it)...

But what an era!

Better run...I can see Kia, Ngan getting out the Jafa's...