Scotland V South Africa player ratings
+24
LondonTiger
bsando
Imperialbigdave
furra_linee
Shifty
Captain_Sensible
George Carlin
fa0019
GLove39
MMaaxx
123456789
MacKnocked-on
jimbopip
Pat_Mustard
tigertattie
21st Century Schizoid Man
Mr Fishpaste
AsLongAsBut100ofUs
Hood83
R!skysports
Manky-Flanker
Galted
funnyExiledScot
RDW
28 posters
The v2 Forum :: Sport :: Rugby Union :: International
Page 1 of 2
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2
Scotland V South Africa player ratings
1 Dickinson - 7
Considering everyone thought he'd be mullered in scrums this tournament he's actually done pretty well. Solid against a monstrous pack
2 Lawson - 8
The smallest man in world rugby put in a massive shift - very strong lineout too
3 Murray - 7
Huge effort considering he hasn't trained all week due to a dodgy hamstring. Again kept the scrum solid against a massive pack
4 Swinson - 8
Terrible up and under aside, a very strong debut. Put himself about the park and took it right to the Saffers
5 Hamilton - 7
Would have been an 8 if it wasn't for the yellow, which although soft he should have known better. Was a massive physical presence and an all-round pain in the arse all day
6 Strokosh - 9
Best player of this summer tour so far - I'm often critical of him but he is having his best time in a Scotland shirt
7 Wilson - 6
Did well as a makeshift 7 but went off early. Who is going to play there next week??
8 Beattie - 7
Another solid if unspectacular shift - need much more from him
9 Laidlaw - 8
One of his best displays for Scotland. Has been criticised for slow service and kicking too often but played with real zip today and his goal kicking is such an asset. Huge captains performance.
10 - Jackson - 6
Starting off sharply but went off early
11 Seymour - 7
Very good debut, chasing everything an looking sharp in attack. Stupid offload near the end but we'll put that down to inexperience.
12 Scott - 9
Massive performance. Shame Gatland called up Brad feckin Barrit before watching this game.
13 Dunbar - 8
Much better than last week and formed a promising parternship with Scott
14 Lamont - 7
Did exactly what it says on the tin
15 Murchie - 7
Solid first cap
South African TMO - 10/10
Considering everyone thought he'd be mullered in scrums this tournament he's actually done pretty well. Solid against a monstrous pack
2 Lawson - 8
The smallest man in world rugby put in a massive shift - very strong lineout too
3 Murray - 7
Huge effort considering he hasn't trained all week due to a dodgy hamstring. Again kept the scrum solid against a massive pack
4 Swinson - 8
Terrible up and under aside, a very strong debut. Put himself about the park and took it right to the Saffers
5 Hamilton - 7
Would have been an 8 if it wasn't for the yellow, which although soft he should have known better. Was a massive physical presence and an all-round pain in the arse all day
6 Strokosh - 9
Best player of this summer tour so far - I'm often critical of him but he is having his best time in a Scotland shirt
7 Wilson - 6
Did well as a makeshift 7 but went off early. Who is going to play there next week??
8 Beattie - 7
Another solid if unspectacular shift - need much more from him
9 Laidlaw - 8
One of his best displays for Scotland. Has been criticised for slow service and kicking too often but played with real zip today and his goal kicking is such an asset. Huge captains performance.
10 - Jackson - 6
Starting off sharply but went off early
11 Seymour - 7
Very good debut, chasing everything an looking sharp in attack. Stupid offload near the end but we'll put that down to inexperience.
12 Scott - 9
Massive performance. Shame Gatland called up Brad feckin Barrit before watching this game.
13 Dunbar - 8
Much better than last week and formed a promising parternship with Scott
14 Lamont - 7
Did exactly what it says on the tin
15 Murchie - 7
Solid first cap
South African TMO - 10/10
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Pretty much agree with all of those. I might dock Dunbar a point for his silly obstruction on Habana that started the rot, but he played well otherwise.
Strokosch motm for Scotland.
Strokosch motm for Scotland.
funnyExiledScot- Posts : 17072
Join date : 2011-05-31
Age : 43
Location : Edinburgh
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
RDW_Scotland wrote:
South African TMO - 10/10
Did he actually affect the game that much? He did try hard to get involved but the ref didn't seem too bothered by him.
Galted- Galted
- Posts : 16030
Join date : 2011-10-31
Location : not the wi-fi password
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
It was great to see Swinson bring his form to Test level. Gotta admit there were 1 or 2 tackles where I thought Ross Rennie was playing - turned out to be Swinson (must be the scrum cap!)
The other debutants did well too, great experience for Seymour and Murchie.
The other debutants did well too, great experience for Seymour and Murchie.
Manky-Flanker- Posts : 590
Join date : 2011-06-09
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
The commentators 0 out of 10
Need to learn the laws. Everything Scotland did was illegal. Everything...
Need to learn the laws. Everything Scotland did was illegal. Everything...
R!skysports- Posts : 3667
Join date : 2011-03-17
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
What about Denton, I'd heard his form has been rubbish but he looked back to barnstorming run best. Missed tackle at the end was a sour note mind
Hood83- Posts : 2751
Join date : 2011-06-12
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
The commentators were comically biased, desperately trying to appear neutral and failing abjectly.
Hood83- Posts : 2751
Join date : 2011-06-12
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Agreed, Hood - who was the other player that the South African sneaked between (other than Denton?)
AsLongAsBut100ofUs- Posts : 14129
Join date : 2011-03-26
Age : 112
Location : Devon/London
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Well-played Scotland! The final score-line definitely flattered the Boks. The Scots had obviously done their homework and knew exactly where to target the boks: slowing down the rucks and mauls, agitating and obfuscating as much as possible and combining all this with some enterprising play with ball in hand. The difference between the two teams was clearly the strength on the Bok bench (I'd go so far as to say that the team that the Boks ended the game with is the team they should start with!)....a pity about all the injuries though
Mr Fishpaste- Posts : 771
Join date : 2011-07-26
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
The Stroker was outstanding as was Scott. Dunbar good along with Laidlaw, Swinson, Lawson, Murray and Hamilton before his usual indiscipline cost us. All the rest gave it their best. Very well done to all apart from the ludicrous commentators who were a joke (bad one) from start to finish. TF I don't have to listen to these morons every week ! To them I say
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Happy for swinson. For a Weegie he's a no bad player :p
Swinson and Grey the future Scotland second row?
Scott and Dunbar are coming on nicely. Hopefully they get things firing so we don't need to hype up Bennett anymore eh asbo?
Glad to see strokes back to his best. It's been a while.
Swinson and Grey the future Scotland second row?
Scott and Dunbar are coming on nicely. Hopefully they get things firing so we don't need to hype up Bennett anymore eh asbo?
Glad to see strokes back to his best. It's been a while.
tigertattie- Posts : 9580
Join date : 2011-07-11
Location : On the naughty step
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Lets just hope they play at the same intensity next week, and in all future games for that matter! If we can keep up the same standard and work rate on a regular basis and when we have all players available then we will be getting somewhere!
Pat_Mustard- Posts : 601
Join date : 2011-06-21
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
A very heart-warming performance.
Swinson was outstanding, as was Stroker.
Murchie, Lawson and Dickinson all did much better than expected.
Thought the loss of both Jacko and Hornee furra hurt us; both were shaping to have good games. Laidlaw actually played like an international standard no9.
Can't think of anyone who actually had a bad game although BigBad Jim let the team down, no wonder his sparring partner was laughing at him as he went off.
Mind you Beattie turned over possession when we could have converted an overlap late on and never really looked threatening.
Still, considering I had banished MrsPip and young Pipetto from the master TV lounge and was preparing for an afternoon of masochistic self-flagellation things didn't turn out too badly.
When we have Grant, Gray, Maitland, Hogg, Barclay, Rennie, Messiah, Fozzy back in harness we have a pretty competitive squad oh and Nick De Luca too.
Swinson was outstanding, as was Stroker.
Murchie, Lawson and Dickinson all did much better than expected.
Thought the loss of both Jacko and Hornee furra hurt us; both were shaping to have good games. Laidlaw actually played like an international standard no9.
Can't think of anyone who actually had a bad game although BigBad Jim let the team down, no wonder his sparring partner was laughing at him as he went off.
Mind you Beattie turned over possession when we could have converted an overlap late on and never really looked threatening.
Still, considering I had banished MrsPip and young Pipetto from the master TV lounge and was preparing for an afternoon of masochistic self-flagellation things didn't turn out too badly.
When we have Grant, Gray, Maitland, Hogg, Barclay, Rennie, Messiah, Fozzy back in harness we have a pretty competitive squad oh and Nick De Luca too.
jimbopip- Posts : 7328
Join date : 2012-10-14
Location : sunny Essex
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Johnson said the tour was basically an opportunity to learn about various players and whether they can cope with international rugby and therefore expand the squad depth. I think today's game did that, all the debutants looked quite comfortable against the Boks. Swinson looks to be a good possible partner for Gray, Seymour looks a good squad option and Murchie looks like a realistic fullback selection if Hogg (and Maitland) were unavailable. Didn't see last weeks game so don't know how Tonks looked in comparison to Murchie.
MacKnocked-on- Posts : 1274
Join date : 2012-01-24
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Swinson for me now has to start with Gray, Murchie looked competent but still remains third or fourth choice as far as I'm concerned. Seymour or Lamont overtook Visser in my opinion, for me now the first choice is:
15. Hogg
14. Seymour
13. Dunbar
12. Scott
11. Maitland
10. Weir
9. Laidlaw
8. Beattie
7. Rennie
6. Brown (although Strockosch isn't far off)
5. Gray
4. Swinson
3. Murray
2. Ford
1. Grant
15. Hogg
14. Seymour
13. Dunbar
12. Scott
11. Maitland
10. Weir
9. Laidlaw
8. Beattie
7. Rennie
6. Brown (although Strockosch isn't far off)
5. Gray
4. Swinson
3. Murray
2. Ford
1. Grant
123456789- Posts : 1841
Join date : 2011-11-13
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Tattie, I know you won't like it, but the Messiah is a different type of centre to those we had out today - his decision-making is from the top drawer and hs execution sublime. In the first half today, if you are being harsh you could say we could have scored more - the Messiah would give you that. And btw that takes nothing away from the effort on display today
AsLongAsBut100ofUs- Posts : 14129
Join date : 2011-03-26
Age : 112
Location : Devon/London
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
SA ratings off news24
Here’s how we rated the Boks, with mediocrity a common theme:
Willie le Roux: 6
Up and down this week, like so many colleagues. Fumbled a high ball, and might have been more assertive in some tackles. But also absolute gem of an offload for JJ Engelbrecht’s try and other moments of mini-trickery.
Bryan Habana: 6
Unlike last week’s so explosive showing against Italy, few opportunities came the veteran’s way this time. Did nothing notably wrong, though.
JJ Engelbrecht: 5.5
Give him his due: much better second half as Boks clawed back to seize initiative. But pretty scratchy first period, with some missed tackles and one fatal rush out of his defensive line near own posts which led to Scottish try.
Jean de Villiers: 6
The Duracell Bunny of SA rugby again this year: somehow just keeps going despite chronic over-playing. Best Bok back defensively in their problematic first half, though did lose some steam near finish.
Bjorn Basson: 6.5
Like co-wing Habana, precious little chance to get a head of steam, but customarily at ease in kick-chase aspects -- and made one particularly alert, try-saving tackle.
Morne Steyn: 5.5
Oops, a bit of the retreat to indecisive, timid and too predictable habits of last year. Also missed easy penalty kick by his standards. Should relish next week’s return to beloved Loftus ... or will Pat Lambie get a run now instead?
Ruan Pienaar: 5.5
So many caps, yet still so many lurking reservations. Service reasonable enough, considering gross lack of protection around rucks, but no more than that. Perhaps at fault as space sometimes opened up too easily for Scottish snipers around fringes?
Pierre Spies: 5
For so experienced an international, another No 8 showing of frustratingly fitful input. Has been a favourite of coach Meyer for a long time; patience may be wearing thin.
Arno Botha: No rating
Lasted only four minutes before one of those freak, not-nice-to-watch knee injuries while slightly shifting his balance and not a Scottish hand even on him.
Marcell Coetzee: 5.5
Always strives to be involved, but can become a bit “headless chicken” ... just too frenetic at times. But did confirm good engine with strong finish.
Juandre Kruger: 5.5
Pace in open play came to the fore sporadically, but not nearly assertive enough in the boiler room against the oft-cynical Scots -- and far from his best lineout match.
Eben Etzebeth: 7
The one Bok line-out forward to meet standards; some fine takes at the front. Also outdid several tight-five allies for work-rate and robustness. Just about kept cool, too, when blatantly provoked by second-row rival Jim Hamilton, who was yellow-carded for his flat-hand-to-the-face indiscretion.
Jannie du Plessis: 5.5
A fraction better than against Italy, I felt, as anchor of scrum that at least held its own this week. But still a long way off his A-game.
Adriaan Strauss: 5.5
Has to be given unusually lowly score for him because of some key errors, like missing some lineouts, delaying one throw enough to be penalised, and getting in the way of a drive by team-mate Coetzee. But did help light the belated Bok bounce-back fire with fierce general play, it must be said.
Tendai Mtawarira: 5
Sorry, it’s time for a sit-out now for the “Beast” to see if it has the desired effect in restoring best personal levels. Steady enough at the set-piece, though gave away a penalty there and didn’t smash into enough rucks or make great yardage with ball under arm.
Substitutes:
Siya Kolisi: 7.5
Suddenly thrown into battle with barely time to touch his toes, yet composure and confidence so quickly to the fore. Fantastic physicality, plenty of tackles, and purposeful ball-carries ... including one memorable, weaving surge in the last quarter.
Here’s how we rated the Boks, with mediocrity a common theme:
Willie le Roux: 6
Up and down this week, like so many colleagues. Fumbled a high ball, and might have been more assertive in some tackles. But also absolute gem of an offload for JJ Engelbrecht’s try and other moments of mini-trickery.
Bryan Habana: 6
Unlike last week’s so explosive showing against Italy, few opportunities came the veteran’s way this time. Did nothing notably wrong, though.
JJ Engelbrecht: 5.5
Give him his due: much better second half as Boks clawed back to seize initiative. But pretty scratchy first period, with some missed tackles and one fatal rush out of his defensive line near own posts which led to Scottish try.
Jean de Villiers: 6
The Duracell Bunny of SA rugby again this year: somehow just keeps going despite chronic over-playing. Best Bok back defensively in their problematic first half, though did lose some steam near finish.
Bjorn Basson: 6.5
Like co-wing Habana, precious little chance to get a head of steam, but customarily at ease in kick-chase aspects -- and made one particularly alert, try-saving tackle.
Morne Steyn: 5.5
Oops, a bit of the retreat to indecisive, timid and too predictable habits of last year. Also missed easy penalty kick by his standards. Should relish next week’s return to beloved Loftus ... or will Pat Lambie get a run now instead?
Ruan Pienaar: 5.5
So many caps, yet still so many lurking reservations. Service reasonable enough, considering gross lack of protection around rucks, but no more than that. Perhaps at fault as space sometimes opened up too easily for Scottish snipers around fringes?
Pierre Spies: 5
For so experienced an international, another No 8 showing of frustratingly fitful input. Has been a favourite of coach Meyer for a long time; patience may be wearing thin.
Arno Botha: No rating
Lasted only four minutes before one of those freak, not-nice-to-watch knee injuries while slightly shifting his balance and not a Scottish hand even on him.
Marcell Coetzee: 5.5
Always strives to be involved, but can become a bit “headless chicken” ... just too frenetic at times. But did confirm good engine with strong finish.
Juandre Kruger: 5.5
Pace in open play came to the fore sporadically, but not nearly assertive enough in the boiler room against the oft-cynical Scots -- and far from his best lineout match.
Eben Etzebeth: 7
The one Bok line-out forward to meet standards; some fine takes at the front. Also outdid several tight-five allies for work-rate and robustness. Just about kept cool, too, when blatantly provoked by second-row rival Jim Hamilton, who was yellow-carded for his flat-hand-to-the-face indiscretion.
Jannie du Plessis: 5.5
A fraction better than against Italy, I felt, as anchor of scrum that at least held its own this week. But still a long way off his A-game.
Adriaan Strauss: 5.5
Has to be given unusually lowly score for him because of some key errors, like missing some lineouts, delaying one throw enough to be penalised, and getting in the way of a drive by team-mate Coetzee. But did help light the belated Bok bounce-back fire with fierce general play, it must be said.
Tendai Mtawarira: 5
Sorry, it’s time for a sit-out now for the “Beast” to see if it has the desired effect in restoring best personal levels. Steady enough at the set-piece, though gave away a penalty there and didn’t smash into enough rucks or make great yardage with ball under arm.
Substitutes:
Siya Kolisi: 7.5
Suddenly thrown into battle with barely time to touch his toes, yet composure and confidence so quickly to the fore. Fantastic physicality, plenty of tackles, and purposeful ball-carries ... including one memorable, weaving surge in the last quarter.
MMaaxx- Posts : 276
Join date : 2011-08-02
Location : New place every week, live between SA, Porugal and UK
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
I generally agree with your rating Mmaaxx. A lot of power missing from the forwards.
-The Beast and Jannie need a break they're okay at scrum time and mediocre everywhere else. -Coetzee needs to learn to pass: he draws so many tacklers but always takes the ball to ground. -When the tight five are absent so is Spies, but who should replace him?
- Bismarck made an impact when he came on: stealing balls, counter-rucking etc...good to see
- When the forwards struggle, Steyn is poor and stands too deep.
- JJ is fast on attack, but a frail on defence.
-The Beast and Jannie need a break they're okay at scrum time and mediocre everywhere else. -Coetzee needs to learn to pass: he draws so many tacklers but always takes the ball to ground. -When the tight five are absent so is Spies, but who should replace him?
- Bismarck made an impact when he came on: stealing balls, counter-rucking etc...good to see
- When the forwards struggle, Steyn is poor and stands too deep.
- JJ is fast on attack, but a frail on defence.
Mr Fishpaste- Posts : 771
Join date : 2011-07-26
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
I hope fan-dancer Visser was watching that - good demonstration of getting in the way of the ball carrier while defending and all. Something he has failed to grasp. Seymour, Maitland and Lamont all streets ahead of him anyway. In fact he may be behind Walker and Cuthbert ffs !
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Just discovered one of the funniest match write ups, "Boks overcome spiteful Scotland"
South Africa came from behind to record a hard-earned 30-17 win over Scotland in Nelspruit on Saturday.
The outcome of the victory against a very spiteful and negative Scotland team is that the Springboks will meet Samoa in the Final of the four-nations tournament in Pretoria next Saturday.
The game was not the walkover many had expected, but that was largely due to the ugly tactics employed by the Scots - who used every negative trick in the book and were fortunate to have earned just one yellow card.
The Boks outscored the Scots by three tries to two, with all three their tries coming in the last half-hour.
Scotland had a 10-3 lead after a fractious first-half performance and made that 17-3 with their second try early in the second half.
But the Boks finally found a way to deal with the Scottish tactics, often overlooked by match officials - with a penalty try, as well as five-pointers by JJ Engelbrecht and Jan Serfontein sealing the win. - See more at: http://sport.iafrica.com/news/865333.html#sthash.Y2nUqJTR.dpuf"
The outcome of the victory against a very spiteful and negative Scotland team is that the Springboks will meet Samoa in the Final of the four-nations tournament in Pretoria next Saturday.
The game was not the walkover many had expected, but that was largely due to the ugly tactics employed by the Scots - who used every negative trick in the book and were fortunate to have earned just one yellow card.
The Boks outscored the Scots by three tries to two, with all three their tries coming in the last half-hour.
Scotland had a 10-3 lead after a fractious first-half performance and made that 17-3 with their second try early in the second half.
But the Boks finally found a way to deal with the Scottish tactics, often overlooked by match officials - with a penalty try, as well as five-pointers by JJ Engelbrecht and Jan Serfontein sealing the win. - See more at: http://sport.iafrica.com/news/865333.html#sthash.Y2nUqJTR.dpuf"
Appologies South Africa for turning up and trying to win!?
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Mr Fishpaste: Coetzee is another one whose place I seriously question. He really is not effective. All energy and enthusiasm but no focus.
HM sometimes is overly loyal to players
HM sometimes is overly loyal to players
MMaaxx- Posts : 276
Join date : 2011-08-02
Location : New place every week, live between SA, Porugal and UK
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
GLove39 wrote:Just discovered one of the funniest match write ups, "Boks overcome spiteful Scotland"
South Africa came from behind to record a hard-earned 30-17 win over Scotland in Nelspruit on Saturday.
The outcome of the victory against a very spiteful and negative Scotland team is that the Springboks will meet Samoa in the Final of the four-nations tournament in Pretoria next Saturday.
The game was not the walkover many had expected, but that was largely due to the ugly tactics employed by the Scots - who used every negative trick in the book and were fortunate to have earned just one yellow card.
The Boks outscored the Scots by three tries to two, with all three their tries coming in the last half-hour.
Scotland had a 10-3 lead after a fractious first-half performance and made that 17-3 with their second try early in the second half.
But the Boks finally found a way to deal with the Scottish tactics, often overlooked by match officials - with a penalty try, as well as five-pointers by JJ Engelbrecht and Jan Serfontein sealing the win. - See more at: http://sport.iafrica.com/news/865333.html#sthash.Y2nUqJTR.dpuf"
Appologies South Africa for turning up and trying to win!?
I pretty much agree with the content of the article: but I don't see it as a blight on Scotland - they had a very clear gameplan to use their strengths (and whatever means they had available to them) and capitalise on Bok weakness, and it nearly worked. I'm annoyed that the Boks didn't figure out a way to deal with the Scots until it was nearly too late.
Mr Fishpaste- Posts : 771
Join date : 2011-07-26
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Amazing that the boks are trying to make themselves out to be angels....100 years of pure thuggery and suddenly they're crying to the ref about someone being too physical.
Get a grip... Bakkies would never had stood for a performance like that. He would have caused havoc post match. Damn right too. Where is the heart???
Get a grip... Bakkies would never had stood for a performance like that. He would have caused havoc post match. Damn right too. Where is the heart???
fa0019- Posts : 8196
Join date : 2011-07-25
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Not physical...cynical
The SA forwards should have been more physical to stop the cynical play....or the ref should have dealt with it. It was obvious and the Scots were not even trying to disguise it as most teams do.
The SA forwards should have been more physical to stop the cynical play....or the ref should have dealt with it. It was obvious and the Scots were not even trying to disguise it as most teams do.
MMaaxx- Posts : 276
Join date : 2011-08-02
Location : New place every week, live between SA, Porugal and UK
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
GLove39 wrote:Just discovered one of the funniest match write ups, "Boks overcome spiteful Scotland"South Africa came from behind to record a hard-earned 30-17 win over Scotland in Nelspruit on Saturday.
The outcome of the victory against a very spiteful and negative Scotland team is that the Springboks will meet Samoa in the Final of the four-nations tournament in Pretoria next Saturday.
The game was not the walkover many had expected, but that was largely due to the ugly tactics employed by the Scots - who used every negative trick in the book and were fortunate to have earned just one yellow card.
The Boks outscored the Scots by three tries to two, with all three their tries coming in the last half-hour.
Scotland had a 10-3 lead after a fractious first-half performance and made that 17-3 with their second try early in the second half.
But the Boks finally found a way to deal with the Scottish tactics, often overlooked by match officials - with a penalty try, as well as five-pointers by JJ Engelbrecht and Jan Serfontein sealing the win. - See more at: http://sport.iafrica.com/news/865333.html#sthash.Y2nUqJTR.dpuf"Appologies South Africa for turning up and trying to win!?
...take it this less than august publication did not mention the 'spiteful' SARFU TMO ? This journalist obviously as bad as the gnob-head commentators during the match.
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
So Scotland run a few blocking lines and some ruck shenanigans and suddenly we're the biggest cheaters in world rugby??
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Who called them the biggest cheaters in world rugby? There is no issue that they did what they did. Just that little was done about it.
In this particular game it was laughably obvious yet the ref and Bok forwards did nothing about it. Usually they would've had a yellow card or two by half time which would've changed the nature of the match.
I don't hold it against the Scots. Most teams do it (although in this match it was particularly frequent and obvious). Good for them for making a match of it. Personally I blame the Bok forwards for not sorting it out, even at the cost of a penalty or two.
In this particular game it was laughably obvious yet the ref and Bok forwards did nothing about it. Usually they would've had a yellow card or two by half time which would've changed the nature of the match.
I don't hold it against the Scots. Most teams do it (although in this match it was particularly frequent and obvious). Good for them for making a match of it. Personally I blame the Bok forwards for not sorting it out, even at the cost of a penalty or two.
MMaaxx- Posts : 276
Join date : 2011-08-02
Location : New place every week, live between SA, Porugal and UK
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Just the amount of people harking on about it - you won't find a test match anywhere where these things don't happen!
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
They happen, just not as obviously and frequently and usually the ref or opposition do something about it. As an SA fan I expect our forwards to sort it out.
MMaaxx- Posts : 276
Join date : 2011-08-02
Location : New place every week, live between SA, Porugal and UK
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
The real irony of that terrible, witless piece of "poor us" Saffer journalism is as Max alludes to - an old Botha/Burger/Smith combination would have done what all true Bok hardmen would have done which is to maintain a dignified silence in a post match interview but stomped, raked and wrestled out their own discipline on the pitch.
Is this a new age of thie rarest and most seldom spotted of animals, the Striped Jessie Springbok Whinger?
That does a disservice to the shirt, really.
Is this a new age of thie rarest and most seldom spotted of animals, the Striped Jessie Springbok Whinger?
That does a disservice to the shirt, really.
George Carlin- Admin
- Posts : 15802
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : KSA
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
So, Jackson and Horne are both out for Italy? Bugger. Hopefully Heathcote caN recover from his concussion in time. I wonder if they'll call up another FH? Not entirely sure who that would actually be.
Captain_Sensible- Posts : 699
Join date : 2012-05-03
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Scott Wight ?????
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
The one person who was cheating in that game was the SA TMO - apparently getting pelters in South Africa too!
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
To be fair to Scotland they are in South Africa with a weakened team. History shows what happens when teams do that, Wales lost 96-13 one year.
Scotland played the referee, it's not Scotlands job to be good sports, it's down to the referee to enforce the rules as he sees them and Scotland did their best in a damage limitation excercise.
Scotland played the referee, it's not Scotlands job to be good sports, it's down to the referee to enforce the rules as he sees them and Scotland did their best in a damage limitation excercise.
Shifty- Posts : 7393
Join date : 2011-04-26
Age : 45
Location : Kenfig Hill, Bridgend
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
I would be happier with Gordon Ross than Scott Wight. They may also bring Matt Scott to 10 and bring in someone else at centre where we have more options. Not mentioning any , naturally.Captain_Sensible wrote:So, Jackson and Horne are both out for Italy? Bugger. Hopefully Heathcote caN recover from his concussion in time. I wonder if they'll call up another FH? Not entirely sure who that would actually be.
George Carlin- Admin
- Posts : 15802
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : KSA
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Hell if the lions can bring in Shane Williams we might as well fly mossy out there!
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Apparently henke Meyer came into the Scotland changing room after the game to congratulate them on such a good game and to apologise for the way the SA media had treated them - much respect to him for that!
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Shifty it wasnt a damage limitation exercise. They turned up to play and were two tries up with 20 mins left. Then de villiers started working poite.
Scotland outrucked the boks I think and Swinson and stroker stood up well. Bok media is trying to cover their backsides a bit. good game but it should have been classic
Scotland outrucked the boks I think and Swinson and stroker stood up well. Bok media is trying to cover their backsides a bit. good game but it should have been classic
furra_linee- Posts : 81
Join date : 2013-04-18
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Shifty it wasnt a damage limitation exercise. They turned up to play and were two tries up with 20 mins left. Then de villiers started working poite.
Scotland outrucked the boks I think and Swinson and stroker stood up well. Bok media is trying to cover their backsides a bit. good game but it should have been classic
Scotland outrucked the boks I think and Swinson and stroker stood up well. Bok media is trying to cover their backsides a bit. good game but it should have been classic
furra_linee- Posts : 81
Join date : 2013-04-18
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Right injury update, both Horne and Ryan Wilson are will miss the Italy game both flying home in the next few days apparently.
Really feel for Horne, tough couple of weeks, steamrollered on début, then bounced back with a great performance before snapping his ACL.
Big question who do we fly in to replace? We're really running out of 10's and 7's.
Could be first cap time for Scott Wight or Harry Lenord..? And maybe call in Hamish Watson for Wilson?
Really feel for Horne, tough couple of weeks, steamrollered on début, then bounced back with a great performance before snapping his ACL.
Big question who do we fly in to replace? We're really running out of 10's and 7's.
Could be first cap time for Scott Wight or Harry Lenord..? And maybe call in Hamish Watson for Wilson?
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
MMaaxx wrote:
Bryan Habana: -16
He may have been named after ManU players Bryan Robson & Gary Bailey but that is no reason to dive like a footballer. In the words of Nigel Owens, "this is not soccer'. Not impressed with his actions
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Pretty sure Hamilton has had to go home as his wife is about to give birth
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
After that game I'm very confident that Scotland can overturn SA at Murrayfield in November, the biggest irony is that they're accusing Scotland of turning up and stifling the game. Is that not what the Boks have done for over a hundred years? I'm not criticising it, it's very effective and impressive when done correctly but for me Eben Etzebeth isn't fit to clean Matfield's boots he just goes around trying to cause fights like a wee girl and is very ineffective on the pitch. He's just a poor man's Richie Gray.
Also for the game in November can we have General Salmond as TMO? It'll give him the chance to do something helpful for once.
Also for the game in November can we have General Salmond as TMO? It'll give him the chance to do something helpful for once.
123456789- Posts : 1841
Join date : 2011-11-13
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Agree with numbers. Some of the stuff coming from the saffer press is hilarious when you consider many of their cynical and downright dirty games over the past 20 years. As MMaaxx says, they shouldve dealt with it and they didnt, so the whingeing is actually quite funny.
That aside, I was obviously pretty unhappy at fulltime, especially after the way the 2nd half went, but after a while I put it in perspective. Our most inexperienced team for years just went to south africa missing 4 key players to the lions and about 10 to injury, and gave themselves a chance of beating the boks that nobody else gave them. They fronted up physically and played a bit of rugby. I think theres a lot of positives to take. It will however mean nothing if we dont go out and smash the Italians next week though. I hope they dont rest on their laurels.
Finally, I also dont get the surprise from south africa that the boks didnt hammer us. You havent run away with a game against us since 2007. Its always been a close fought affair with barely a score between the teams at the hooter, yet it seems to mean nothing everytime we take to the field and pundits predict 30+ points difference wallopings.
That aside, I was obviously pretty unhappy at fulltime, especially after the way the 2nd half went, but after a while I put it in perspective. Our most inexperienced team for years just went to south africa missing 4 key players to the lions and about 10 to injury, and gave themselves a chance of beating the boks that nobody else gave them. They fronted up physically and played a bit of rugby. I think theres a lot of positives to take. It will however mean nothing if we dont go out and smash the Italians next week though. I hope they dont rest on their laurels.
Finally, I also dont get the surprise from south africa that the boks didnt hammer us. You havent run away with a game against us since 2007. Its always been a close fought affair with barely a score between the teams at the hooter, yet it seems to mean nothing everytime we take to the field and pundits predict 30+ points difference wallopings.
Imperialbigdave- Posts : 1353
Join date : 2011-03-05
Location : too far away
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Did Horne really tear his ACL? That's bad in that case. Bennett came back after 4 months but it can easily take 6. Perhaps Glasgow would do well to land our young Saffer centre right now. It also gives a little bit of a problem at 10 cover. Also very sorry to hear or Arno's injury for the Boks.GLove39 wrote:Right injury update, both Horne and Ryan Wilson are will miss the Italy game both flying home in the next few days apparently.
Really feel for Horne, tough couple of weeks, steamrollered on début, then bounced back with a great performance before snapping his ACL.
Can someone post some of these whinging Saffer news stories? I am still stuck at work and could use a good laugh. The gist of their comments seem to be that they are annoyed we didn't let them bully us.
George Carlin- Admin
- Posts : 15802
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : KSA
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Imperialbigdave wrote:Agree with numbers. Some of the stuff coming from the saffer press is hilarious when you consider many of their cynical and downright dirty games over the past 20 years. As MMaaxx says, they shouldve dealt with it and they didnt, so the whingeing is actually quite funny.
That aside, I was obviously pretty unhappy at fulltime, especially after the way the 2nd half went, but after a while I put it in perspective. Our most inexperienced team for years just went to south africa missing 4 key players to the lions and about 10 to injury, and gave themselves a chance of beating the boks that nobody else gave them. They fronted up physically and played a bit of rugby. I think theres a lot of positives to take. It will however mean nothing if we dont go out and smash the Italians next week though. I hope they dont rest on their laurels.
Finally, I also dont get the surprise from south africa that the boks didnt hammer us. You havent run away with a game against us since 2007. Its always been a close fought affair with barely a score between the teams at the hooter, yet it seems to mean nothing everytime we take to the field and pundits predict 30+ points difference wallopings.
For one I agree with you. Good Post.
21st Century Schizoid Man- Posts : 3564
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Glasgow
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Are we still all having problems with the
function?'quote'
George Carlin- Admin
- Posts : 15802
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : KSA
Re: Scotland V South Africa player ratings
Watched the game with my dad (my fathers day present!) and got a few comments:
Didn't realise how utterly ridiculous the SA commentators were! Worst one was Dunbar's slight push on Habanna where he then had a dive that Suarez would have been proud of - you would have thought he had shot him! "that is shocking - he's lucky to stay on the field", absolutely ridiculous.
Their penalty try from the rolling maul - watched it a few times and could not see why it was a penalty try. The maui collapsed as they went to the line because they were bringing it down to get the ball over the line - I could not see any Scotland player pulling it down. The ref showed no penalty advantage during the life of the maul so it must have been that final fall down. Ridiculous call I think. It might have been a try anyway if they went to TMO but definitely not a penalty try as far as I could do.
The Hamilton card was ridiculous - absolute handbags. It was stupid but so so soft. In fact Phillips did the same thing in the Lions game!
Clear penalty to Scotland in the build up to the SA first try - Matt Scott literally lifted the guy off the ground while trying to get the ball in the ruck - the ref wasn't interested in the slightest that they were holding on.
Yes you could probably make a list of thing Scotland got away with, but I think it is fair to say all of the key decisions went against us.
Really disappointing to watch these things happen again!
Didn't realise how utterly ridiculous the SA commentators were! Worst one was Dunbar's slight push on Habanna where he then had a dive that Suarez would have been proud of - you would have thought he had shot him! "that is shocking - he's lucky to stay on the field", absolutely ridiculous.
Their penalty try from the rolling maul - watched it a few times and could not see why it was a penalty try. The maui collapsed as they went to the line because they were bringing it down to get the ball over the line - I could not see any Scotland player pulling it down. The ref showed no penalty advantage during the life of the maul so it must have been that final fall down. Ridiculous call I think. It might have been a try anyway if they went to TMO but definitely not a penalty try as far as I could do.
The Hamilton card was ridiculous - absolute handbags. It was stupid but so so soft. In fact Phillips did the same thing in the Lions game!
Clear penalty to Scotland in the build up to the SA first try - Matt Scott literally lifted the guy off the ground while trying to get the ball in the ruck - the ref wasn't interested in the slightest that they were holding on.
Yes you could probably make a list of thing Scotland got away with, but I think it is fair to say all of the key decisions went against us.
Really disappointing to watch these things happen again!
RDW- Founder
- Posts : 33185
Join date : 2011-06-01
Location : Sydney
Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2
Similar topics
» Scotland Summer Tour, Game 4: South Africa v Scotland, 28 June
» Scotland player ratings
» Scotland player ratings
» Scotland V Fiji Player ratings
» Irish Analysis and player ratings against S.Africa
» Scotland player ratings
» Scotland player ratings
» Scotland V Fiji Player ratings
» Irish Analysis and player ratings against S.Africa
The v2 Forum :: Sport :: Rugby Union :: International
Page 1 of 2
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum