League Reboot

by sodhat Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

Please register your interest should we press ahead and reboot the league.

This is also a good chance to air grievances with current rules and suggest new ones, as well as any innovations you have to make it better.

We may entirely ignore all suggestions, such is our wont.

Cherries
Gregers
Olly
Azzy
ZZZ
Nando (probably)
Afro
Hero
GSC
Trebs
sodhat

Need another 1 (or 3 or 5 or 7....)

Team Selection

Every team valued at 100m or below is available

Everybody bids for their preferred team

Maximum bid is 120m, Minimum 70m. Bids must also be at least TM value of the club

Any money left over from the 120m budget goes into your budget for a player draft

Results
Same as before

Voting
Same as before, however 1 good/bad point for each team required

TP Limit
Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

This will change slightly depending on number of teams.

Injuries
AGREED AS 4 INJURIES PER WEEK

Do we want any form of transfers healing injuries?
NO

Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
AGREED TO DITCH BOTH

League structure - single league or not?
SINGLE LEAGUE

Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
NO CASH LOANS ALLOWED, ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE PAID UP FRONT

End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these
NO LOANS ALLOWED EXCEPT EMERGENCY LOANS FOR GOALKEEPERS

Releases - same as before?
AGREED

Any squad limits?
22 MINIMUM, 30 MAXIMUM

Runner's Duties

Releases - Azzy
Injuries - Trebs
Posting tactics - Olly
Players within league - Afro
Results - sodhat
Lawyers - Trebs
Tables - sodhat
Fixtures/results list -Afro
Top scorers - Azzy
Premier League Prediction game - ZZZ

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:39 pm

I would only go to max of 28 player squads. Still leaves 24 players to make up an 18 man match day squad. More than enough

Got to put a minimum squad of 22 down just so CF can see it & not go below.

Id prefer 32 man squad, more to pick from but 28 would be fine. So Ill vote with the majority on that.

by sodhat Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:40 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:On the Europa League we didn't have that mass exodus. If you only have two TPs per week there's no point in releasing tons of players, as you need a squad with which to cope when you get 4 injuries.

Maybe just ask people to use their common sense? We're all grown ups here.

Sometimes.

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:40 pm

True, that Afro guy can be such a baby at times.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:42 pm

Squad limits - minimum 22, maximum 30.

How does that look?

Which premier league teams want to be included in a cup competition to decide the winner?

Same question for the Championship teams I guess

by GSC Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:45 pm

I really cannot be bothered with a cup competition tbh

by Fernando Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:47 pm

you can't have a 6/7 team cup tbh

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:49 pm

Afro wrote:Squad limits - minimum 22, maximum 30.

Im fine with that

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:49 pm

How squads/teams are decided, and starting budgets = AGREED AS BIDDING ON TEAMS BETWEEN £70M AND £100M
How results are calculated = AGREED TO KEEP AS IT IS
Making sure feedback is actually useful and constructive = AGREED IN THIS THREAD
TP limit - yes or no = AGREED ON PAGE 5 OF THIS THREAD
Injuries = AGREED AS 4 INJURIES PER WEEK
Do we want any form of transfers healing injuries? = NO
Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions = AGREED TO DITCH BOTH
League structure - single league or not? = SINGLE LEAGUE
Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned = NO CASH LOANS ALLOWED, ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE PAID UP FRONT
End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these = NO LOANS ALLOWED EXCEPT EMERGENCY LOANS
Releases - same as before? = AGREED
Any squad limits? = 22 MINIMUM, 30 MAXIMUM

That's the list done. What about other things now?

- Where will money come from in the league?
- How will we conduct the team draft?
- When will we conduct the team draft?
- How and when will we conduct the player draft?
- Discussion on TPs allowed, TP limits etc

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:54 pm

Fernando wrote:you can't have a 6/7 team cup tbh

But if only 4 are bothered, then it works perfectly.

I think CF can be ruled out and GSC isn't bothered, so that leaves you, Sod, Marky and Gregers

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:55 pm

And for the championship? So far only Treb's has expressed interest in it

by sodhat Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:56 pm

Trebs can take my place in the PL one if he likes.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:58 pm

So Nando, Marky, Gregers and Trebs - you all playing?

Anyone else feeling left out?

If not, shall I do a draw and some injuries for you all and you can get it started

by Gregers Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:59 pm

Im wanting to finish the season

by Fernando Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:00 pm

Sure why not i won't last the 1st round anyway my side is experienced enough lol

Ill do a cup but finishing the season can **** off we've got another 10 weeks of that left.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:00 pm

That would mean delaying any reboot until September/October

by GSC Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:03 pm

Why not just let Marky and Trebs play for the moral victory

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:04 pm

Okay, sort this out, then get onto my list League Reboot - Page 8 3559488474

In the meantime, PLAY MAFIA!

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:04 pm

- Where will money come from in the league? -

get rid of the participation bonus and just have the voting and tactics bonus of £1.5m?

- How will we conduct the team draft?

I am happy to receive all the team bids. Should be easy to process. I can send mine to someone else before we start

- When will we conduct the team draft?

once the current season is done and dusted I guess.

- How and when will we conduct the player draft?

straight after teams announced. Say have a week to take stock and submit your draft bids

- Discussion on TPs allowed, TP limits etc

2 per week, with the limits determined yesterday

TP Limit
Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

by cherriesfna Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:12 pm

Oimim feeling left out, my squad come leaps and bounds and now it's all ending, let be bow out in a blaze of glory

by Fernando Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:15 pm

Cherries can take my place in the cup, Not really worth much having a champ side in it anyway

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:19 pm

How much cashola do we get to bid for our Club then how much cash do we get after???

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:25 pm

£100m to bid on your club, any cash you have left over goes to your player draft bid pot

by Trebs Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:38 pm

I definitely want to be in a cup.

I agree with everything decided pretty much, except the £1.5m weekly bonus. I say no bonus, it's uneccesary.

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:42 pm

If no bonus at all, why bother voting? There's no penalty for not doing so otherwise.

And if no bonus, where do we get our money from? Players on TM will never get into the league!

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:55 pm

Yeah Trebs, we do need the bonus as its encouragement to vote.

£100m on ma Club. Well I know what Club im going for.
Was there max/min club limits set?

by Trebs Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:56 pm

Lawyers would give you a profit.
As for not voting i say a three strikes and out rule.

by Marky Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:05 pm

GSC wrote:I really am not fussed about finishing this cluster**** of a season

Funny how it wasn't a cluster**** of a season until you lost slightly harshly against me last week.

You're a natural replacement manager for ZZZ Whistle

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:07 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:£100m to bid on your club, any cash you have left over goes to your player draft bid pot

CORRECTION!!!

You can bid on any team £100m or below
You get £120m budget and can bid for the team up to the £120m. Any cash you have left, you keep for the player draft, upto a maximum of £50m (essentially meaning a minimum bid of £70m)

by Marky Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:08 pm

I like the new rules and regulations, I think it works well. But I am going to finish this season then step down from management for a bit. Same will happen at the end of Azzy's Europa League, finish the season then stop.

Bit of a break will do me good, then when someone quits in the coming weeks/months i'll swoop back in.

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:10 pm

Sad to hear Marky Sad

It's Nando's league btw, not mine Wink

And if you're not in this reboot, then Viva takes your place, as he's not on that list in the OP. Is that right Afro?

And I could bid £120m on Villa if I wanted?

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:14 pm

Yep. You can bid on any team £100m or below and you cna bid anywhere between £70m and £120m

Obviously, if you do bid £120m, you have no cash left for the player draft.

And i think you have to retain some form of cash coming into the league other than lawyers

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:15 pm

Did Viva actually express any interest in being involved, other than his catalogue of strange ideas designed just to keep himself amused

by sodhat Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:16 pm

So I can lowball and carry out a hostile takeover of a club for less than market value?

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:18 pm

Ah, not considered, but I would assume that you have to bid a minimum of the clubs TM value.

Maybe not, haven't really given it any thought?

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:19 pm

Well if he doesn't step in, we need to add a new manager or take someone out. Adding 1 would be far better imo.

Afro - let's say I want Villa. Can I bid £70m for them? Or does the bid have to be at least their TM value?

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:20 pm

Marky wrote:
GSC wrote:You're a natural replacement manager for ZZZ
Thats a trading up in manages Im the Pep of the league, had my sabbatical now I'm ready to return

Azzy wrote:And I could bid £120m on Villa if I wanted?
Correct, I believe.

So say I bid on - Brighton. They are worth 18.5m on TM. I bid £20m & win. That would leave me with £100m budget but Im only allowed to use £50m on draft players.
Correct?

by Marky Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:22 pm

Maybe it's a good idea to include all confirmed rules in the Original Post to avoid repeat questions.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:23 pm

Soddy wrote:So I can lowball and carry out a hostile takeover of a club for less than market value?

Basically buy Barca for £120m.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:25 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Marky wrote:
GSC wrote:You're a natural replacement manager for ZZZ
Thats a trading up in manages Im the Pep of the league, had my sabbatical now I'm ready to return

Azzy wrote:And I could bid £120m on Villa if I wanted?
Correct, I believe.

So say I bid on - Brighton. They are worth 18.5m on TM. I bid £20m & win. That would leave me with £100m budget but Im only allowed to use £50m on draft players.
Correct?

Nope, the most you can have in your budget after team drafts is £50m. So it essentially means you might as well bid £70m for them.

Azzy - see my reply to Sod. It wasn't something we actually discussed yesterday, so lets put it out for discussion....

Do you have to bid at least the TM value for a team in the team draft, or shall we have it that you can bid whatever we like

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:27 pm

Budget = £120m
Teams available = any up to £100m in TM value
Bid = minimum of £70m, maximum of £120m

Question remains - does the bid have to at least equal the team's TM value? If not, Villa could get scooped up for £70m giving the manager £50m to spend at the player draft, with a squad worth £30m more than they paid.

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:28 pm

Damn forum Laugh

AZZY VOTE: Bids must be at least equal to the value of the squad.

by sodhat Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:28 pm

Bid at least the value in my opinion. Unfair advantage otherwise.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:31 pm

Minimum bid of the teams TM value for me too

ALso, put all the agreed rules up top ^

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:37 pm

I thought GSC said they were putting the rules in admin Whistle

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:40 pm

Thats where I copied it from

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:41 pm

Afro wrote:Nope, the most you can have in your budget after team drafts is £50m. So it essentially means you might as well bid £70m for them.

Im not keen on that as everyone will just go for high value clubs thus less draft & less transfers.
If thats the rule thats the rule, I will make my team play Tika Taka Pep football.

Afro wrote:Do you have to bid at least the TM value for a team in the team draft, or shall we have it that you can bid whatever we like

I vote you have to bid the minimum TM Value.
If not everyone will bid £120 on all the top clubs, thus taken them & players up.

by GSC Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:45 pm

Of course the minimum bid s TM value.

Doesn't work otherwise

by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:45 pm

Zebs, the maximum value side you can bid on is £100m, so Villa. You can't bid on anyone worth more than £100m.

I like the fact that we have no TP limit in the player draft.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:50 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Zebs, the maximum value side you can bid on is £100m, so Villa. You can't bid on anyone worth more than £100m.

I like the fact that we have no TP limit in the player draft.

Ahh ok ok. So really everyone will bid £70m on a team & use the £50m left in No TP Limit Draft.

Better get hunting for my cheap team.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:53 pm

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Afro wrote:Nope, the most you can have in your budget after team drafts is £50m. So it essentially means you might as well bid £70m for them.
Im not keen on that as everyone will just go for high value clubs thus less draft & less transfers.
If thats the rule thats the rule, I will make my team play Tika Taka Pep football.

Purpose of it is to stop people from just getting a crappy team and building an entirely new squad. We want to keep some element to having players you won't want.

Look at the list of teams £100m or below. Noone is going to get a world beating team quickly.

Afro wrote:Do you have to bid at least the TM value for a team in the team draft, or shall we have it that you can bid whatever we like

I vote you have to bid the minimum TM Value.
If not everyone will bid £120 on all the top clubs, thus taken them & players up.[/quote]

You can only bid on teams with a TM value of £100m or less. As I said, have a look at the list

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/default/top-teams/basics.html

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